Supernatural: Angels & Demons WW Game Thread

[katiemcat]

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i’ll be out to get a medical procedure, will try to hop back in tonight

WHAT FRUIT!

Good luck and I hope you’re okay 🥺

 

[potentialsheltervet]

To me this looks like a pretty concerted effort by wolves to save Santy. Spurs vote against Santy triggered a cascade of voting in an effort to save him.

Who's wolfing with Santy, Zenge?

 

[CeeGee14]

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I know I'm dead and shouldn't be posting, but holy cow that is impressive. I don't think I've even taken coursework this seriously. Respect

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[katiemcat]

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I know I'm dead and shouldn't be posting, but holy cow that is impressive. I don't think I've even taken coursework this seriously. Respect

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I think I made a spreadsheet for like… parasitology? And I was like wow this is what being organized feels like

 

[Santygrass]

Santy has continued to do things and act in a way that is blatantly wolfy, and only furthered my wolf read here.

You havent talked about any of them . As a fact, every post I made you were worried about 'the WIFOM' and possible spew on my partners.

Like I think the most you pointed the past day is.... My votepool feeling like lhf. Which I replied to and pointed to last game when we were villa together and is exactly how I played D1 aswell. I didnt get my way here yeeting my main sus (Lissa) and ended up having to selfpress onto someone from my poe that flipped village.

Like. Zenge look at the reasons people had to vote for me. Its one worse than the other, and you are only okay with them because you are preflipping me only, lol.

 

[Zenge142]

Who's wolfing with Santy, Zenge?

Well luckily we'll have another day of voting and analysis to consider before we need to seriously delve into that question. I certainly have suspicions.

 

[Santygrass]

Spurs vote against Santy triggered a cascade of voting in an effort to save him.

So , me self pressing + someone townreading me + the third person who was voting with me and you even said yourself wasnt aligned with me is now a cascade of votes. Zenge pls take a step back and try to look from another angle just for a second.

Your not cooking here. Your going to end up inside the egg at this point

 

[Zenge142]

You havent talked about any of them

I have and this is disingenuous.

@apoptosis09 @indysadventures

Can't you see?

This is just a list of people it'll be be easy to vote out.

Maybe there's a packmate in there for the WIFOM, but this isn't list of players who are likely to all be wolves. It's just "here's the list of people easiest to get voted out today."

Here was one of the more recent ones from the end of last cycle.

And even now this conversation is another point about my wolf reading you.

Claiming I haven't talked about any of them knowing I have, hoping no one calls you on it is another reason now I'm wolf reading you.

 

[Santygrass]

You havent talked about any of them . As a fact, every post I made you were worried about 'the WIFOM' and possible spew on my partners.

Like I think the most you pointed the past day is.... My votepool feeling like lhf. Which I replied to and pointed to last game when we were villa together and is exactly how I played D1 aswell. I didnt get my way here yeeting my main sus (Lissa) and ended up having to selfpress onto someone from my poe that flipped village.

Like. Zenge look at the reasons people had to vote for me. Its one worse than the other, and you are only okay with them because you are preflipping me only, lol.

Bro I talk about it in that same post ZENGE PLS

 

[Santygrass]

Like here you are nitpicking a part of my post and not even reading the rest or what?

 

[Zenge142]

I didnt get my way here yeeting my main sus (Lissa) and ended up having to selfpress onto someone from my poe that flipped village.

Like. Zenge look at the reasons people had to vote for me. Its one worse than the other, and you are only okay with them because you are preflipping me only, lol.

Your reason for voting Lissa is that she voted you.

That's the best you got?

Santy you're a better player and a better wolf hunter than just

"Lissa voted me... must be a wolf" especially on a player who's not posting enough to properly defend themselves.

 

[Santygrass]

Its in that same ****ing post

 

[Santygrass]

Your reason for voting Lissa is that she voted you.

That's the best you got?

Santy you're a better player and a better wolf hunter than just

"Lissa voted me... must be a wolf" especially on a player who's not posting enough to properly defend themselves.

.......

 

[Santygrass]

I was even voting Lissa before they voted for me, I called out why the timing of their read didnt make sense . You are not reading my posts Zenge.

 

[Santygrass]

No egg in the face will condone this smh

 

[Zenge142]

Lissarae06 = Already talked about. This just feels like frozen wolf to me. I dont have *much* because there hasnt been much content. But them.not commenting on the samac sus on me when I asked them at Start of day, to then that being the only reason to vote me that they dropped out of the hat the next day is the most wolfy thing I've seen hands down.

This is your reasoning for your TOP wolf read.

It's just not adding up to a legitimate effort to solve the game. This is an excuse to vote someone you think will be easy to get voted out

 

[Santygrass]

This is your reasoning for your TOP wolf read.

It's just not adding up to a legitimate effort to solve the game. This is an excuse to vote someone you think will be easy to get voted out

Do I need to show you again the reason why I sussed genny in the champs game?

 

[Zenge142]

Angels
Santy (4) - Zenge, Lissa, apop, spurs
katie (1) - Indy
screamqueen (1) - Clem
fruit (1) - CG
PSV (1) - rae
SAR ()

Of the people not voting for Santy here, CG is dead.

Clem, Indy, Rae are left.

Assuming Santy is a wolf then the order of most to least likely to be paired with Santy I think is:

Rae>Indy>Clem

 

[Zenge142]

Do I need to show you again the reason why I sussed genny in the champs game?

You're using your sus of genny from a completely different game to justify a wolf read on Lissa?

What?!

 

[Santygrass]

You're using your sus of genny from a completely different game to justify a wolf read on Lissa?

What?!

You're saying my Lissa sus is like, too weak for it to be my top wolfread.

Im reminding you the reasons I had for a top scumread in another game where we were both villa. Wiich pretty much amounted to 'genny is flying under the radar+people are not prone to vote them' . You called those in that game weak and genny as a misyeet bait.

I ended up forcing stuff to get my way, and we yeeted a wolf

 

[Santygrass]

I think is pretty similar and your callout of my reasons to have a top wolfread being "weak" to you just are not true and is my standard gameplay.

I play, get some clears, and then work within the poe to try to lunch who feels the likeliest wolf.

 

[Lissarae06]

I was even voting Lissa before they voted for me, I called out why the timing of their read didnt make sense . You are not reading my posts Zenge.

I mean, it made sense to me 😂

 

[Zenge142]

You're saying my Lissa sus is like, too weak for it to be my top wolfread.

Im reminding you the reasons I had for a top scumread in another game where we were both villa. Wiich pretty much amounted to 'genny is flying under the radar+people are not prone to vote them' . You called those in that game weak and genny as a misyeet bait.

I ended up forcing stuff to get my way, and we yeeted a wolf

You're describing village genny 9 times out of 10.

And again - genny is not Lissa.

Your argument goes:

genny who usually isn't one of the top posters and regularly can get misyeeted for lack of activity was a wolf in this game, and you were the one who pushed and got wolf genny yeeted.

Ergo, Lissa, a completely different player, in a completely different game should be yeeted, because of lack of activity, and you can point to a game in your past where you correctly yeeted a completely different player for lack of activity.

It doesn't make sense as an argument.

 

[Santygrass]

I mean, it made sense to me 😂

You reason to vote for me later was something you read from Samac. After you read that, I explicitly pinged you at day start, questioning you if you had any sus.
You told me no.

It was only the day after that you told in thread that the samac legacy was something you were thinking about following. I called there to be a disconnect, because there is no way you reply to me that you didnt have sus if you really saw that from samac in day start and were really thinking that since then.

 

[Santygrass]

You're describing village genny 9 times out of 10.

And again - genny is not Lissa.

Your argument goes:

genny who usually isn't one of the top posters and regularly can get misyeeted for lack of activity was a wolf in this game, and you were the one who pushed and got wolf genny yeeted.

Ergo, Lissa, a completely different player, in a completely different game should be yeeted, because of lack of activity, and you can point to a game in your past where you correctly yeeted a completely different player for lack of activity.

It doesn't make sense as an argument.

Im just going to say that you are not replying to the argument I made, and maybe reread what Im saying. That is not my argument

 

[Zenge142]

Im just going to say that you are not replying to the argument I made, and maybe reread what Im saying. That is not my argument

It is

 

[Santygrass]

You said that my argument isnt strong enough for a top wolfread .

I showed you another game when by YOUR standards I didnt have a strong top wolfread. I was village there. I am village here.

You are the one choosing not to see. Comparing genny or lissarae play is like, not related to what Im calling you out for

 

[Santygrass]

It is

No /shrug

 

[Lissarae06]

You reason to vote for me later was something you read from Samac. After you read that, I explicitly pinged you at day start, questioning you if you had any sus.
You told me no.

It was only the day after that you told in thread that the samac legacy was something you were thinking about following. I called there to be a disconnect, because there is no way you reply to me that you didnt have sus if you really saw that from samac in day start and were really thinking that since then.

I don’t remember this interaction and I can’t find it in my notifications. Do you know which post it was?

 

[Lissarae06]

You reason to vote for me later was something you read from Samac. After you read that, I explicitly pinged you at day start, questioning you if you had any sus.
You told me no.

It was only the day after that you told in thread that the samac legacy was something you were thinking about following. I called there to be a disconnect, because there is no way you reply to me that you didnt have sus if you really saw that from samac in day start and were really thinking that since then.

Nvm I found it after like 4 pages of notifications. I think the confusion is because I answered you before realizing night was over. You will see in that post I said it’s only night 1. I didn’t realize it was actually D2 and samac had been killed.

 

[_rae_]

Of the people not voting for Santy here, CG is dead.

Clem, Indy, Rae are left.

Assuming Santy is a wolf then the order of most to least likely to be paired with Santy I think is:

Rae>Indy>Clem

I made it clear that my strongest wolf reads were Clem>CG>scream>Katie. Why in the world would I vote for someone I don't have a strong read on when one of my top two is up for yeet? I was wrong, but I've been wrong before, everyone has. Now that CG has flipped and they are village, I'm re-evaluating my reads, but what I felt made sense was what I went with.

 

[Zenge142]

I made it clear that my strongest wolf reads were Clem>CG>scream>Katie. Why in the world would I vote for someone I don't have a strong read on when one of my top two is up for yeet? I was wrong, but I've been wrong before, everyone has. Now that CG has flipped and they are village, I'm re-evaluating my reads, but what I felt made sense was what I went with.

And what are your reads now?

 

[Lissarae06]

Nvm I found it after like 4 pages of notifications. I think the confusion is because I answered you before realizing night was over. You will see in that post I said it’s only night 1. I didn’t realize it was actually D2 and samac had been killed.

@Santygrass, since I see the chin scratching emoji reaction, I will explain. I logged on to SDN and saw I had a notification. It was your tagging me. I clicked it and it took me to your post asking me my thoughts. I answered that I didn’t have any because it was only night 1. Then when I saw other people talking about beans and samac, I realized I missed some pages and night ending, and needed to catch up. It did not occur to me to respond to you again.

 

[_rae_]

And what are your reads now?

I’m going to get my blood drawn and then I need to start some laundry. I’ll be back before EON.

 

[indysadventures]

Literally what I had nothing to do with the misyeet 😭 You’re just still tunneled on me clearly lol.

I had reasonable assurance it was highly unlikely CG was wolf and it was correct.

I didn't say that you 100% did and I'm not tunneled on you - I didn't even discuss you on my actual "THORTS" post - there's a difference between suspicious and tunneled.

 

[indysadventures]

Who's wolfing with Santy, Zenge?

Zenge. LOL just kidding I'm just being the village idiot.

Somebody's gotta be though, and boy oh boy am I ready to STEP UP.

 

[Stagg737]

Only 5ish pages to catch up on? Is it Christmas? Will get caught up ASAP as today was terrible work-wise.

 

[Zenge142]

I have a suspicion Beans was proposed as a night kill by a noob who felt particularly stabbed in the back by the Beans betrayal from the noob game.

Who of the noobs was the most shook?

 

[katiemcat]

I have a suspicion Beans was proposed as a night kill by a noob who felt particularly stabbed in the back by the Beans betrayal from the noob game.

Who of the noobs was the most shook?

This is a thought - but I'm unsure if anyone playing this game was one of those people.

Indy I believe was the first person to question beans and then the first NK. Apop and I were onto Beans very early. Rae blocked beans at a point.

CG may have been caught by surprise, but is a dead villager now.

Spurs was Beans' packmate and they got along famously.

The person(s) I would imagine to be salty at beans for betraying them aren't in this game (eg. Nicole healed beans from the poison).

 

[apoptosis09]

I have a suspicion Beans was proposed as a night kill by a noob who felt particularly stabbed in the back by the Beans betrayal from the noob game.

Who of the noobs was the most shook?

Possible, but there are enough experienced players here that one must be a wolf and I doubt would go along with that as a sole reason to nk. I also have a hard time believing anyone took it that seriously - it was a good game by Beans actually 😅

 

[Stagg737]

the person i want voted out today is someone i can't vote for. so by not voting for someone i don't want to vote for today, i'm hoping other people will vote out that player.

Maybe I'll see this on catch-up, but who are your top w reads?

I would have picked Samac, if I'd have read the rules and realized I needed to submit a name.

Ouch, so even people that didn't choose a partner got a partner. Guess me and @Clem J can just continue our own PM club here.

 

[apoptosis09]

Maybe I'll see this on catch-up, but who are your top w reads?


Ouch, so even people that didn't choose a partner got a partner. Guess me and @Clem J can just continue our own PM club here.

Well 3 of us have dead pm partners so we can join your thread pm 🥲

 

[_rae_]

And what are your reads now?

My original reads list for continuity

Spoiler

Okie dokie reads list

Demons:
Indy - mostly v, (blergh I hate village reading you twice in two games). I'm seeing a want to survive and a hesitancy to put themselves in a position to be misyeeted or NKd.
Zenge - V. Saman was V and seemed to trust zenge. Feels reasonable for now.
CG - wish I had a bit more to go off of, unsure V lean?
Apop - I think V. An odd player all around, but seems to have a different approach to this game. Feels natural.
Clem - strongest W read right now. See previous post.
Spurs - strongest V read right now. Samac approved.
Rae 2.0 - Interested to see perspectives. No one way or another right now.
Rae 1.0 (the original) - ME!

Angels:
PSV - Came in wanting mayor but bowed (4th wall: is this a word) down to genny pretty quickly, seems pretty natural so far. V.
Fruit - ugh fruit. I think V for the moment? Still perm sus. Afraid to do too much pushing this game.
Katie - feels very different to me this game. Feels much more pushy in a way I'm unsure of. Very soft W lean.
SAR - fear. Unsure. Need more. Probs V at the moment.
Stagg - old guy will catch up one day. Unknown.
Scream - gives off potentially frustrated noob vibes more than scum vibes. Unsure. Could be convinced either way. I think we'll go soft W lean since I don't have a good W on the angels yet.
Genny - V.
Santy - first time playing with them, they seem to have an aggressive play style. Samac being N1d is suspicious but also if that's Santy's MO, it would behoove them to NOT kill samac to keep people off their trail. Currently confused by them.

Demons

Spoiler

Indy - I stand by my village read. They're problem solving as time allows them to, they're questioning others, and again, I have reasonable assurance they're village.
Zenge - Zenge is pushing Santy hard. Harder than I've really seen a push before, to the point of making a minute by minute spreadsheet of votes. He's either right or a wolf and I have no idea which it is.
Apop - Mentioned being CG's PM partner, also stayed on Santy in an attempt to keep CG from going over. Despite the weirdness with Katie I'm going with village.
Clem - I still think something is whacktastic with Clemothy. Voted for scream and stayed off the Santy wagon, wolf reading spurs hard, wolf reading samac in the beginning. I still have a gut vibe that Clem is scummy.
Spurs - still read as village. I can follow his thought process even if I don't agree with it. Seems to genuinely be wolf hunting and overall village.
Lissa - idk what to think about Lissa. There's so little to go off of.

Angels:

Spoiler

PSV - still village. Seems to be problem solving, can follow the thought process, is not afraid of poking the bear.
Fruit - the CG thing is throwing me on fruit. They were SO SURE and pushed CG so hard to keep Santy alive, then immediately made a post saying they tried to save CG. It doesn't make sense. Either they're fruiting hard and hiding something, or they're scum. I can believe either. I'm going soft W right now.
Katie - less pointy, more round, less W, more V. Stand by that read.
SAR - Hopeful to hear from her tonight. The more she stays away, the more suspicious I am of her.
Stagg - Village.
Scream - can also go either way on scream. She trusted fruit and jumped on CG, and I'm not a big fan of fruit right now. Soft W lean.
Genny - oh, genny. I want her to be village. But the sudden disappearance D2, the unwillingness to vote despite saying she would vote CG if she had to and not following through; something's not right and I think it's wolfy. She's my stronger wolf lead on this team. Can provide quotes if needed, just trying to get this out there like I promised.
Santy - Again, could be pushing back against zenge because they're truly village, could be distancing from zenge because santy/zenge is a wolf pair, or could be a wolf with a lot of audacity. I'm more concerned about fruit and genny but I am not convinced Santy is village right now.

Okay, again, I didn't go back and pull specific quotes but I can. I still need to do laundry but I wanted to make sure I followed through.

 

[_rae_]

Oh, in the vein of genny, unless we have two wolf mayors who are telling dirty lies (which I think is unlikely), they can't be read at night. Which suggest we have a seer. Which suggests genny might be coasting on the fact that no one in village can confirm if she's a wolf or not.

 

[katiemcat]

Well 3 of us have dead pm partners so we can join your thread pm 🥲

Me bc I'm loney and got spoiled having a PM partner most of last game

 

[_rae_]

Okay, NOW laundry and dinner time.

 

[Zenge142]

despite saying she would vote CG if she had to and not following through

Can you pull this quote from genny for me?

 

[_rae_]

Can you pull this quote from genny for me?

the person i want voted out today is someone i can't vote for. so by not voting for someone i don't want to vote for today, i'm hoping other people will vote out that player.

if i have to vote CG, i will.

 

[Stagg737]

Clem and Santy v/v tbh

Why?

So that's... 3 people who forgot to submit a DM partner?

Clem, fruit, zenge

Something weird lies here

Also me

Ok, but just for fun—excepting old school players who have years of experience playing with each other reading each other, who has given in depth reasoning for any of their potential votes?

The volume doesn't have to be much, but the reasoning should seem like something that came from deeper thought. Example, Zenge calling out Santy for his 3 top reads being easy pushes instead of people that are truly scummy (the latter may be true if Santy explained, but at the time it's a solid analysis from Zenge).

I am feeling better about you after reading this evening though. Your more recent play sounds like it's coming from a place of actually helping village. Moving you to slight village leans.

If Santy does flip wolf, I'm not sure I'd expect two wolves to be on the same vote here in this wagonomics scenario

Do you mean you wouldn't expect 2 wolves to be on Santy or 2 wolves to be on the other candidate (CG)?

 

[Lissarae06]

Possible, but there are enough experienced players here that one must be a wolf and I doubt would go along with that as a sole reason to nk. I also have a hard time believing anyone took it that seriously - it was a good game by Beans actually 😅

Beans played well in the game I played with her (her? Him? Them? I don’t know anyone’s pronouns). I could see her being a threat strictly due to her great gameplay even with her being a newer player.