Mesa restaurant serving lion burgers...WTH?!

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That's ridiculous! What got me is when he said that the lions were "free-range" lions. I don't know about you but I can't imagine lions roaming pastures in Illinois only to be killed for their meat.

I definitely can't imagine that...i just want to know where that first lion came from in starting the "free-range farm"...i'm sure it wasn't roaming through the US's great plains...

Apparently, the farm is federally inspected...i just don't see any use for such a farm...what market are the products being sent to? Is it just a front for canned hunts?
 
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WTF!! Mesa, AZ is where I was born and raised AND where I currently reside. Good thing I now know to stay away from this place even though I've never heard of it in the first place. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Normally I wouldn't think it was that big of a deal since people have eaten much weirder things, but the fact that lions are becoming endangered is really what makes this an issue for me. No one should be eating any species that is threatened. 👎
 
This is ridiculous. I can't believe that an entire company actually thought about this product, set it up, marketed it, and served it without anyone with common sense saying "hmm - maybe we shouldn't be eating a near endangered species". I totally 👎 this.
 
<sigh> another reason I'm not going to AZ any time soon...

Yeah don't bother. Aside from the SB1070 business and serving lion burgers, it's supposed to be 112 degrees today. Good times.

The sooner somewhere lets me into vet school the sooner I can move. 🙂
 
Yeah well mississippi heat isn't much better. I moved in the other day while it was 103 degrees plus humidity off the charts...at least arizona has dry heat
 
Yeah well mississippi heat isn't much better. I moved in the other day while it was 103 degrees plus humidity off the charts...at least arizona has dry heat

Not always during monsoon season. 😉 But most of the time it is more like living in an oven versus living in a sauna. Neither is very appealing... and it is a big reason why I'm not going to apply anywhere in the south.
 
mmmm...lion....tastes like housecat....only bigger....:laugh:
But seriously---very weird to be eating it here---I was under the impression it was relatively hard to breed large cats in captivity? Maybe I'm wrong---I'm not too well informed on the zoo species
 
Ahhh wonderful! Not only is Mesa, Arizona known as the meth capitol of the U.S., but now it has to be known for serving lion burgers. I'm so glad to have moved out of Arizona. Well the rest of Arizona is nice, it's just that big glob in the center of the state i despise. 😎
 
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Whats the difference between eating farmed beef and farmed lion? They are both just animals. Saying this and that animal are to special to eat is just what is slowly destroying the livestock industry. If they are being farmed for meat and not reducing the wild population, who cares what they are eating.
 
Not only is Mesa, Arizona known as the meth capitol of the U.S., but now it has to be known for serving lion burgers.

Now that's a new one! :laugh: Mesa isn't THAT bad. Never heard that in my 22 years here, but my neighbors from about a year ago definitely fit right in if that's true.
 
whats the difference between eating farmed beef and farmed lion? They are both just animals. Saying this and that animal are to special to eat is just what is slowly destroying the livestock industry. If they are being farmed for meat and not reducing the wild population, who cares what they are eating.

czimer's website advertises standard wild game: Pheasants, quail, ducks, venison, buffalo and so on. But then, sprinkled through the product list, some wilder offerings pop up. Like llama leg roasts. Or camel cutlets.​
and african lion meat. You can snag it in shoulder roast, steak, tenderloin or burger form -- or, for a bargain, try the ribs at $10 a pound.​
so where does richard czimer, the company's owner, get these lions?​
the meat is the byproduct of a skinning operation owned by another man, czimer said in an interview with cnnmoney.com. He declined to name that gentleman.​
"this man buys and sells animals for the skin, and when i need something and he has ability to get it, i will bargain for the meat. It's a byproduct," he said.​
and where does that mystery man get the lions? "i wouldn't have any idea," said czimer, who operates a small retail store in addition to his wholesale business. "he has his sources, and i do not infringe on his business, just as he does not infringe on mine."​
he's willing to take a hands-off approach: "do you question where chickens come from when you go to brown's chicken or boston market?" he asked.​
czimer's exotic-meat dealings have landed him in hot water before. Back in 2003, chicago newspapers covered his conviction and six-month prison sentence for selling meat from federally protected tigers and leopards. Czimer admitted to purchasing the carcasses of 16 tigers, four lions, two mountain lions and one liger -- a tiger-lion hybrid -- which were skinned, butchered and sold as "lion meat," for a profit of more than $38,000.​
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Whats the difference between eating farmed beef and farmed lion? They are both just animals. Saying this and that animal are to special to eat is just what is slowly destroying the livestock industry. If they are being farmed for meat and not reducing the wild population, who cares what they are eating.

While I can understand your point that these animals are captive and not part of the wild population (no "wild" lions were removed from their habitat), a price is being set on the value of an endangered animal. By selling the meat of an endangered animal, a market price is set on all of the lions in wild. This is why zoos don't (or shouldn't) sell animals. Animals are traded between zoos for other animals. This keeps a dollar price out of the equation, at least in theory.

If a rhino farm was set up next door in new mexico and the horns were sawed off, leaving the animal perfectly fine, I would still have a problem with the operation. A price is being set on endangered species, making them walking piggy banks (or lion banks or rhino banks as the case may be).

As for big cats being difficult to breed in captivity, that is not the case in my experience. Contraceptives need to be used on the tigers I've worked with and sometimes they don't work. May differ from animal to animal, zoo to zoo, but there are more tigers (don't know about lions) in captivity than there are in the wild.

Sorry about the long post, but this seemed like something I might know something about.
 
Adding on to the point: Can these "farmers" really provide humane housing and a humane death for the lions? I can't see them herding the lions into a stall and using a captive bolt, and obviously they're not going to be using tranquilizer darts. Is getting shot by a poorly placed rifle round humane?
 
Adding on to the point: Can these "farmers" really provide humane housing and a humane death for the lions? I can't see them herding the lions into a stall and using a captive bolt, and obviously they're not going to be using tranquilizer darts. Is getting shot by a poorly placed rifle round humane?

I posted this follow-up earlier, but I think it may be getting looked over...

It's actually even worse....the farm doesn't actually exist.

The restaurant owner made it up as a front as he didn't expect the news to blow up like it has. He gets the meat from a guy who acquires it illegally from a poacher--who sells the skins of rare and endangered animals...
http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/201...-meat.html.php
 
I just realized that I could edit the original post, so...now it contains the original story and the followup story...wish I'd known about editing the thread before now...
 
I posted this follow-up earlier, but I think it may be getting looked over...

It's actually even worse....the farm doesn't actually exist.

The restaurant owner made it up as a front as he didn't expect the news to blow up like it has. He gets the meat from a guy who acquires it illegally from a poacher--who sells the skins of rare and endangered animals...
http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/201...-meat.html.php

I used your link in my post. Guess I should've tried to tie everything together.
 
Whats the difference between eating farmed beef and farmed lion? They are both just animals. Saying this and that animal are to special to eat is just what is slowly destroying the livestock industry. If they are being farmed for meat and not reducing the wild population, who cares what they are eating.

Wait, are you really suggesting that it's ok to eat any animal as long as its not "reducing the wild population"? How about shelters selling dogs and cats for meat to alleviate overcrowding, or the BLM selling mustangs for meat, or me breeding my dog and selling the puppies for meat? It can't be that simple.
 
Wait, are you really suggesting that it's ok to eat any animal as long as its not "reducing the wild population"? How about shelters selling dogs and cats for meat to alleviate overcrowding, or the BLM selling mustangs for meat, or me breeding my dog and selling the puppies for meat? It can't be that simple.

I honestly see nothing wrong with those things you mentioned. It's only our society's view of these animals that changes your mindset. Other countries will have no problem eating cats and dogs. I think killing one animal for food is no different than killing another. You can't just separate them because one is cute and fluffy. I think it's wrong of you to say it's ok to kill certain animals and not others. I totally understand someone opposing it because of the treatment of those animals or if it will negatively affect the population or something....but it really angers me when people think dogs are better in some way than some animals like cows. In some cultures you can't even kill cows
 
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I honestly see nothing wrong with those things you mentioned. It's only our society's view of these animals that changes your mindset. Other countries will have no problem eating cats and dogs. I think killing one animal for food is no different than killing another. You can't just separate them because one is cute and fluffy. I think it's wrong of you to say it's ok to kill certain animals and not others. I totally understand someone opposing it because of the treatment of those animals or if it will negatively affect the population or something....but it really angers me when people think dogs are better in some way than some animals like cows. In some cultures you can't even kill cows

Would you be ok with eating farmed primates?
 
Yes. I would not be ok with eating humans because instinctively I want the species to prosper. I'm all about doing whatever it takes to survive. You can't leave primates out just because they are more intelligent than other animals. It's still the same thing. It wouldn't be right for me to go kill someone just because they were dumber than someone else
 
I honestly see nothing wrong with those things you mentioned. It's only our society's view of these animals that changes your mindset. Other countries will have no problem eating cats and dogs. I think killing one animal for food is no different than killing another. You can't just separate them because one is cute and fluffy. I think it's wrong of you to say it's ok to kill certain animals and not others. I totally understand someone opposing it because of the treatment of those animals or if it will negatively affect the population or something....but it really angers me when people think dogs are better in some way than some animals like cows

I don't think it has anything to do with some animals being better or worse than others, it has to do with culture. What's appropriate or normal in some cultures might be taboo in others and that's a beautiful thing. I'm not implying that it's wrong to eat dogs and cats, I'm implying that it's wrong to eat dogs and cats in the US not because they're "better" than any other animals but because it's not a part of our culture. What if we take this to an extreme; humans are "just animals" right? Let's take our death row inmates and send them to soup kitchens. Cannibalism is perfectly normal in some cultures so who are we to say it's wrong?
 
I don't think it has anything to do with some animals being better or worse than others, it has to do with culture. What's appropriate or normal in some cultures might be taboo in others and that's a beautiful thing. I'm not implying that it's wrong to eat dogs and cats, I'm implying that it's wrong to eat dogs and cats in the US not because they're "better" than any other animals but because it's not a part of our culture. What if we take this to an extreme; humans are "just animals" right? Let's take our death row inmates and send them to soup kitchens. Cannibalism is perfectly normal in some cultures so who are we to say it's wrong?

Um...I said that it was because of cultures. Go back and read again. What i'm saying is that if it's ok to eat in one culture then you can't say it's wrong to eat a lion because maybe some people have different views than others. Let people do what they want as long as it's done in a humane way
 
Um...I said that it was because of cultures. Go back and read again. What i'm saying is that if it's ok to eat in one culture then you can't say it's wrong to eat a lion because maybe some people have different views than others. Let people do what they want as long as it's done in a humane way
Why does it have to be done in a humane way? In these other cultures, would you be against eating something if they ritually killed the animal in an inhumane way?
 
Um...I said that it was because of cultures. Go back and read again. What i'm saying is that if it's ok to eat in one culture then you can't say it's wrong to eat a lion because maybe some people have different views than others. Let people do what they want as long as it's done in a humane way

I read it again and you didn't mention culture, what you did say is that "it really angers me when people think dogs are better in some way than some animals like cows". My point is that to say something is wrong based on cultural beliefs isn't the same as saying that something is better or worse.
 
Any person on this site can tell you why it should be done humanely and yes I specifically mentioned society's views/culture
 
Any person on this site can tell you why it should be done humanely
That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking you why your stipulation is that it be done humanely. Do you only respect other cultures when they don't impinge upon your views?
 
*grabs a bag of popcorn and a comfy chair to watch the show down*
 
Do you only respect other cultures when they don't impinge upon your views?

I think this is the essence of the argument. There are going to irreconcilable differences between cultures and that's ok. You can be open minded and still disagree on some points.
 
I think this is the essence of the argument. There are going to irreconcilable differences between cultures and that's ok. You can be open minded and still disagree on some points.

I don't think she liked me asking that question :laugh:
 
Wait, are you really suggesting that it's ok to eat any animal as long as its not "reducing the wild population"? How about shelters selling dogs and cats for meat to alleviate overcrowding, or the BLM selling mustangs for meat, or me breeding my dog and selling the puppies for meat? It can't be that simple.

Yes, it is that simple. Why should it be wrong to eat a horse? Because you have some emotional attachment to your horse, therefore no other person should be allowed to eat one? That is very self centered on your part. The same goes for cats and dogs. If you had a feedlot and were finishing cats, I would have no problem with it as long as you do it right. The problem is when one person says that they are so attached to their pet that no one should be able to use that species as anything but a pet. I really see no reason we shouldnt be able to eat horse or dog or hamster.
 
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Yes, it is that simple. Why should it be wrong to eat a horse? Because you have some emotional attachment to your horse, therefore no other person should be allowed to eat one? That is very self centered on your part. The same goes for cats and dogs. If you had a feedlot and were finishing cats, I would have no problem with it as long as you do it right. The problem is when one person says that they are so attached to their pet that no one should be able to use that species as anything but a pet. I really see no reason we shouldnt be able to eat horse or dog or hamster.

Have you read any of my previous posts? You're putting words in my mouth. My point is that a line has to be drawn somewhere. It can't be as simple as passing a law that people can eat whatever animal they want as long as it's killed humanely.
 
I see no reason why any line has to be drawn when in comes to animals. We can have cultural differences in what we eat and choose not to eat a large number of horses or dogs, but just because we dont want to eat it doesnt me we need to make it illegal to eat it. All it takes is some famous rich person with nothing to do that puts some time and money toward a cause and suddenly its illegal to eat whatever they dont think we should. There really is no reason a group of people should be able to force their culinary tastes on all the others in the country.
 
I personally would like to eat some polar bear. If we could just put maybe $50,000 toward starting a polar bear farming process we could make eating polar bear a reality. Obviously we'd kill them humanely but that might push the cost up a bit. I'll start fund raising!