**2017-2018 URM Medical School Application Thread**

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Gonna do the doctorate, improve my app and apply again. If after earning a doctorate, doing research, improving my MCAT and volunteering I’m still unsuccessful, I’ll know that medical school admissions is truly ludicrous.

I understand your drive and passion but I simply cannot put my life on hold for “chances”. I have to work our rational, concrete plans.

If you did 19 secondaries, and only got 7 rejections, don't you still have 12 more schools to hear back from?? I have a friend who had one interview in March, and got accepted in April last cycle... I would like to believe that you still have a little hope.
 
If you did 19 secondaries, and only got 7 rejections, don't you still have 12 more schools to hear back from?? I have a friend who had one interview in March, and got accepted in April last cycle... I would like to believe that you still have a little hope.

Yes, I'm waiting on a number of schools. I'm just not confident I will receive an interview because, in retrospect, my application is mediocre. I'm still trying to hold out hope for the HBCUs but everything is up in the air.
 
Yes, I'm waiting on a number of schools. I'm just not confident I will receive an interview because, in retrospect, my application is mediocre. I'm still trying to hold out hope for the HBCUs but everything is up in the air.

Okay, I see. Well I hope you get an II and get in this cycle! This process is very draining, stressful, and sad. It seems like it is really hitting you hard, and people on here are hitting you even harder... I have not gotten accepted yet either, but I am hanging in there. I hope you do the same and do not give up on your dream. I know I am just a rando on SDN, but I am rooting for you!!
 
Okay, I see. Well I hope you get an II and get in this cycle! This process is very draining, stressful, and sad. It seems like it is really hitting you hard, and people on here are hitting you even harder... I have not gotten accepted yet either, but I am hanging in there. I hope you do the same and do not give up on your dream. I know I am just a rando on SDN, but I am rooting for you!!

Thanks! Btw, if you have gotten 3 interview invites you're probably going to have some good news soon.
 
I'm out guys. I give up.
I was an idiot to think this would ever work out.

I'm happy for those who made and will make it.
 
I'm out guys. I give up.
I was an idiot to think this would ever work out.

I'm happy for those who made and will make it.
So dramatic (and I ONLY like drama on T.V.)! But I do wish you the best of luck! I recommend finding a mentor or two in the medical community (in your area). A mentor may be a lot more helpful than this forum. I've relied on several mentors to help guide me along the way.

The interview season is not over yet! You talked a bit about your stats and trying to improve them. Yet your letters of recommendation and application write-ups (i.e., personal statement, extra curriculars, secondaries, etc.) also play a huge role in your overall competitiveness as an applicant. There may be more "affordable" ways to improve.
 
Azolesoul, my brain explodes every time I see a new post from you. Everyone is giving the same advice but you continue to ask the same questions like you’re not really absorbing what people are saying.

Based on your post history you’re not meant to attend medical school (right now or maybe ever). You come off as emotionally unstable and unwilling to commit to anything. One day your dream is to go to medical school, the next day you want to attend a PhD program and now your next big idea is the Caribbean. You are completely all over the place. You need to find some consistency in your life. I understand you have a terrible home situation but without any sort of consistency or mental toughness, you won’t be able to successfully finish anything (such as grad school or especially medical school). Personally, I don’t think you would be successful in medical school right now. However, I hope you take the time to really think about what you want and the steps you need to take in order to get there. When things get tough and the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be getting farther away, take a deep breath and remember what the heck it is that drives you to succeed (nobody on the internet can tell YOU what that is!) Please get your **** together and prove me wrong.
This...I don't see the point of asking for advice Azolesoul if you're going to be extremely negative about the information that people feed to you. The "woe is me attitude"is like getting really exhausting at this point. I'm not trying to take away from your negative life experiences, but we all have been through things I'm sure. I also have money problems but am busting my ass working two jobs right now while living in a basement to save money and meet my goals. Constantly having a negative and depressing attitude about every single solitary thing isn't going to help you get a clear and level head in developing a plan with moving forward with your life. You've been accepted to a PhD program which is like an amazing feet, some people don't even have that opportunity. See the positive in that and use it to drive your life forward. I think until your negative mindset changes, you should probably get off SDN and meditate on positivity for a while to get it together.
 
This...I don't see the point of asking for advice Azolesoul if you're going to be extremely negative about the information that people feed to you. The "woe is me attitude"is like getting really exhausting at this point. I'm not trying to take away from your negative life experiences, but we all have been through things I'm sure. I also have money problems but am busting my ass working two jobs right now while living in a basement to save money and meet my goals. Constantly having a negative and depressing attitude about every single solitary thing isn't going to help you get a clear and level head in developing a plan with moving forward with your life. You've been accepted to a PhD program which is like an amazing feet, some people don't even have that opportunity. See the positive in that and use it to drive your life forward. I think until your negative mindset changes, you should probably get off SDN and meditate on positivity for a while to get it together.

I'm not negative, I'm just living in reality.
It's easy to be super positive when all your dreams are being realized but it's far more difficult when everything around you is in shambles.
 
I'm not negative, I'm just living in reality.
It's easy to be super positive when all your dreams are being realized but it's far more difficult when everything around you is in shambles.
I'm not gonna argue with you. I honestly suggest you take some time off from SDN. Like, for the rest of the cycle pretty much.
 
I'm not negative, I'm just living in reality.
It's easy to be super positive when all your dreams are being realized but it's far more difficult when everything around you is in shambles.

You just need to take a break from SDN and get your head out of this cycle. Yes, it SUCKS this cycle didn't work out for you. But it didn't work out for so many people too. I can't say the number of posts I read when people say they finally got an acceptance after three cycles. FlyMiss is right, this "woe is me" attitude will not get sympathy from anyone. We all have our hardships, we all have fought uphill battles to get here, and for some of us we made it and for other they have to keep trying. Your life isn't in shambles, you are able to pursue a PhD - not a lot of people can say that. My suggestion is, as others have said, continue to work and save (and try to find another job if you can - serving sucks but you can make some nice tips), do a post-bacc, and retake your MCAT. If you get your GPA above 3.5 and get a 510 then you will get an acceptance. But for all this to happen, you have to get over yourself. This isn't the end of the world. Pick yourself up and stop complaining and you will be a doctor, it will just take a few more years of hard work. Medical school isn't going anywhere.
 
You just need to take a break from SDN and get your head out of this cycle. Yes, it SUCKS this cycle didn't work out for you. But it didn't work out for so many people too. I can't say the number of posts I read when people say they finally got an acceptance after three cycles. FlyMiss is right, this "woe is me" attitude will not get sympathy from anyone. We all have our hardships, we all have fought uphill battles to get here, and for some of us we made it and for other they have to keep trying. Your life isn't in shambles, you are able to pursue a PhD - not a lot of people can say that. My suggestion is, as others have said, continue to work and save (and try to find another job if you can - serving sucks but you can make some nice tips), do a post-bacc, and retake your MCAT. If you get your GPA above 3.5 and get a 510 then you will get an acceptance. But for all this to happen, you have to get over yourself. This isn't the end of the world. Pick yourself up and stop complaining and you will be a doctor, it will just take a few more years of hard work. Medical school isn't going anywhere.

I'm not going back to pay to take undergrad courses after I've already graduated- that is a good example of a lateral move.
You guys are all so idealistic that it is insane. I cannot put my life on hold for a "chance" to pursue medical school.
I'd rather finish a PhD and reapply but it seems that the consensus is that it won't make a bit of difference when I reapply.
 
I'm out guys. I give up.
I was an idiot to think this would ever work out.

I'm happy for those who made and will make it.
You know when your acquaintance does something silly, you typically don't call them out, but if your homie did it, you would be honest? This is why people here are countering your comments about giving up (US) med school for good. We all want you to become successful as a doctor, even those people giving the snide comments. I like what one of them wrote, prove them wrong! It's one thing if you said "after thinking over the day-to-day lifestyle, I know medicine is not for me." Quitting because of the application process (or even finances) is not a good reason. This is why a user eloquently told you to take a step back, get your mind off SDN, med school, and the future for a short time to decompress. After that, seek mentorship, reread some comments left on this thread, and reevaluate your prospects. You are hot and cold, man! I know we are strangers on the internet, but I am genuinely giving you my "homie" advice. I'm supposed to be working now, but I felt like I need to tell you to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. I also know I don't know your full situation and you may feel pain reading all these posts, but really, everyone is giving you advice to take your next step forward. Sometimes, the world isn't out to get us, but we have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable and see how to improve our situation. Getting a killer substantive job would help your financial situation and be a nice gap year(s) activity; you don't have to do a PhD, which just occured to me may not be very lucrative or helpful to your situation (in terms of time and getting money for post bacs or MCAT retakes).

You always have a sounding board in me. Feel free to send me a PM whenever. But remember you HAVE to be in control of your future. I know you can have the drive and interest to accomplish it, otherwise you would've actually quit already.
 
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I'm not going back to pay to take undergrad courses after I've already graduated- that is a good example of a lateral move.
You guys are all so idealistic that it is insane. I cannot put my life on hold for a "chance" to pursue medical school.
I'd rather finish a PhD and reapply but it seems that the consensus is that it won't make a bit of difference when I reapply.

How is doing post-bacc a lateral move? GPA and MCAT are the most important things in getting you an interview. Doing a post-bacc will raise your GPA. Doing a PhD will only get you research experience and won't raise your GPA and it will take longer than doing a post-bacc. You're not putting your life on hold, you are making yourself a better applicant.
 
How is doing post-bacc a lateral move? GPA and MCAT are the most important things in getting you an interview. Doing a post-bacc will raise your GPA. Doing a PhD will only get you research experience and won't raise your GPA and it will take longer than doing a post-bacc. You're not putting your life on hold, you are making yourself a better applicant.

I understand this but it's SO HARD to find work in my region; I was quite lucky to find the little job I have now. The school were I'm trying to take coursework requires payment of fees before classes even start. I'm willing to do post-bacc work but getting the money is a HUGE hurdle.

I try to save the little money I have now and I still live at home, at 25 (going on 26). I'd have to work for like two years, then do post-bacc and then reapply; how is that fair to my parent? I just feel like a huge disappointment.
 
I understand this but it's SO HARD to find work in my region; I was quite lucky to find the little job I have now. The school were I'm trying to take coursework requires payment of fees before classes even start. I'm willing to do post-bacc work but getting the money is a HUGE hurdle.

I try to save the little money I have now and I still live at home, at 25 (going on 26). I'd have to work for like two years, then do post-bacc and then reapply; how is that fair to my parent? I just feel like a huge disappointment.

The dedication to better yourself will not go unnoticed though. I think you should sit down with your parent and have a conversation about your future. Discuss the steps you would have to take to do a post-bacc. I know this all easier said then done, but if you want to be a doctor these are the steps you have to take. Before you do any of this though, you have to work through your emotions from everything that is happening. Whether you talk to someone or take some time to decompress, you need to do something. We are all here for you and we all want you to succeed.
 
Would a second Bachelor's make sense? I could improve my undergrad profile and I pretty sure second Bachelor's are able to receive financial aid.
 
Would a second Bachelor's make sense? I could improve my undergrad profile and I pretty sure second Bachelor's are able to receive financial aid.
I think a post bac is best. Get the money after getting a high paying, application-boosting job. Doing well in a post bac would show that you can do well in med school. I really recommend you take a break from SDN for like a week and reread all the comments here. Your perspective may be different. As a matter of fact, you can tag me in a week and write me off if I'm wrong.
 
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Would a second Bachelor's make sense? I could improve my undergrad profile and I pretty sure second Bachelor's are able to receive financial aid.

I might be wrong, but I believe a second bachelor’s IS a form of post-bac. I mean, when I decided to apply to medical school, I enrolled at my local school and declared a major, as though I were seeking a second bachelor’s, and got financial aid. I took the six classes I needed, then promptly applied to medical school. There’s nothing that says you have to FINISH a second bachelor’s just because you start one. Once your GPA is where you want it to be, there’s nothing to stop you from withdrawing from undergrad and going to medical school.

Like other posters have said, though, don’t feel like you have to rush into anything right now. It’s totally appropriate for you to grieve this cycle, step away from all this stuff (including SDN) for a while, and spend time with your family/work/kickbox/dance/whatever to clear your head. In March or April, come on back with a fresh mindset, and figure out what you want to do going forward. There’s no rush. I know you feel like 25 is ancient. I felt like that ten years ago when I was your age as well. Trust me, to many of us on the same road as you, you’re practically a fetus.
 
I might be wrong, but I believe a second bachelor’s IS a form of post-bac. I mean, when I decided to apply to medical school, I enrolled at my local school and declared a major, as though I were seeking a second bachelor’s, and got financial aid. I took the six classes I needed, then promptly applied to medical school. There’s nothing that says you have to FINISH a second bachelor’s just because you start one. Once your GPA is where you want it to be, there’s nothing to stop you from withdrawing from undergrad and going to medical school.

Like other posters have said, though, don’t feel like you have to rush into anything right now. It’s totally appropriate for you to grieve this cycle, step away from all this stuff (including SDN) for a while, and spend time with your family/work/kickbox/dance/whatever to clear your head. In March or April, come on back with a fresh mindset, and figure out what you want to do going forward. There’s no rush. I know you feel like 25 is ancient. I felt like that ten years ago when I was your age as well. Trust me, to many of us on the same road as you, you’re practically a fetus.
Oh, you're totally right. I guess that's what people mean when they talk about DIY post bacs. I guess I was vouching more for the traditional post bac programs, mainly because I've seen so many current med students succeed from those programs. Obviously there are many from DIYs too and I understand programs can be expensive.
 
I applied for a second Bachelor's at my undergrad school.

I hope all this work amounts to something and I'm not just wasting my time. Even if I got straight "A"s in 50 credits my gpa would still only be:

3.5c and 3.4s
 
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I applied for a second Bachelor's at my undergrad school.

I hope all this work amounts to something and I'm not just wasting my time. Even if I got straight "A"s in 50 credits my gpa would still only be:

3.5c and 3.4s
From what I understand from Adcoms on SDN and my own advisor, its not about the overall cGPA or sGPA but its about consistent good grades. That can be achieved within a 50 credit post bacc. Don't overload yourself each semester with hard classes though, start slow then ramp up. Its up to you if its a waste of time because it depends on how you perform. Also, during this time you can be studying for the MCAT. Good luck
 
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I applied for a second Bachelor's at my undergrad school.

I hope all this work amounts to something and I'm not just wasting my time. Even if I got straight "A"s in 50 credits my gpa would still only be:

3.5c and 3.4s

I’m really glad you’re doing this. If you can get straight A’s in your 50 credits adcoms will see your hard work. Getting your GPA to 3.5 and doing well on the MCAT will really boost your app. Good luck! And we’re always hear for you to talk things through with!
 
Kind of random, but did any of you interview at Thomas Jefferson then Saint Louis the next week and then USC in January? I talked to another URM at my SLU interview a bunch but never got your contact info, would love to know how your cycle is going!
 
I’m really glad you’re doing this. If you can get straight A’s in your 50 credits adcoms will see your hard work. Getting your GPA to 3.5 and doing well on the MCAT will really boost your app. Good luck! And we’re always hear for you to talk things through with!

I know I want medical school but stepping out on faith by doing this is so very scary. I hope I'm making the right decision.
 
I know I want medical school but stepping out on faith by doing this is so very scary. I hope I'm making the right decision.

Life is all about jumping into the unknown and making a leap of faith. If you work hard and do well, you’ll be rewarded. As Cand said above, don’t overload yourself. Getting all A’s is essential, so only take on what you can handle and ask for help when you need it!
 
I know I want medical school but stepping out on faith by doing this is so very scary. I hope I'm making the right decision.
I so get this. I am a career changer. To truly pursue medicine I had to resign from my career (turning down the largest contract I had seen), sell my house, and move my family to the city. I did that all with NO guarantee that I would get in and it would all pay off. And I did it knowing that I was going from a career to being a broke college student again (with a family to care for). It was a huge leap of faith. But it was all worth it! I'm blessed with acceptances.

Good luck!
 
I applied for a second Bachelor's at my undergrad school.

I hope all this work amounts to something and I'm not just wasting my time. Even if I got straight "A"s in 50 credits my gpa would still only be:

3.5c and 3.4s
I never post on here but I honestly felt that I had to chime in. I was in a position similar to you.

I graduated with a 3.37 gpa( 3.1 bcpm) and the first time I took the MCAT I scored a 22 (32%). I enrolled at my local school back home as a non degree seeking student and took around 40 credit hours and got straight As ( mind you I could only take a few courses a semester because that’s all I could afford) and pulled my gpa up to a 3.48 and science gpa to a 3.5. Took the MCAT again and scored a 513 (89%). From Florida as well and just turned 26. 3 acceptances this cycle. I’m glad you’re pursuing the second bachelors. I recommend you take as many upper level science courses as you can. Not only will this show that you can handle the rigorous coursework but it will also definitely help with the some sections on the MCAT. Good luck man, I’m rooting for you.
 
I might be wrong, but I believe a second bachelor’s IS a form of post-bac. I mean, when I decided to apply to medical school, I enrolled at my local school and declared a major, as though I were seeking a second bachelor’s, and got financial aid. I took the six classes I needed, then promptly applied to medical school. There’s nothing that says you have to FINISH a second bachelor’s just because you start one. Once your GPA is where you want it to be, there’s nothing to stop you from withdrawing from undergrad and going to medical school.

Like other posters have said, though, don’t feel like you have to rush into anything right now. It’s totally appropriate for you to grieve this cycle, step away from all this stuff (including SDN) for a while, and spend time with your family/work/kickbox/dance/whatever to clear your head. In March or April, come on back with a fresh mindset, and figure out what you want to do going forward. There’s no rush. I know you feel like 25 is ancient. I felt like that ten years ago when I was your age as well. Trust me, to many of us on the same road as you, you’re practically a fetus.


This is exactly what I did, although I ended up doing 60 credits work and getting a second bachelors at the end of it for Summa Cum Laude distinction.
 
You truly don’t understand how broke I am. I make8 9 dollars an hour- there is no “saving up”; I barely get by as it is. I cannot afford post-bacc courses. Not to be mean, but a lot of you guys are out of touch with the average Joe.

I’m going to take the MCAT after working for a high score and work on the rest of my app while in grad school. Is this a prudent course of action?

I feel like I need to say something. I just want to say that this is not meant to be a sob story, or to puff myself up. I've just been reading your posts for months and it reminds me of how hopeless I felt years ago when I first applied to medical school (the first time I applied, I was around 23-24 years old).

I was in a much worse financial situation than you when I decided to pursue medicine. I had graduated college, but I was barely making minimum wage. I lived in poor conditions, and had to skip meals several times per week because I couldn't afford it. My parents couldn't help because they lived far away in a developing country. I took the MCAT and did miserably. I applied terribly late. My life seemed like it was going down the drain. So, I did a couple of things that I now recommend to you.

1. Go to graduate school (preferably a SMP) or take upper level courses. I obviously did not have the money, so I took a loan to get my master's degree.

2. Re-take the MCAT.

3. Apply early. I believe you were complete by August/September? Next time, have everything done by July at the very latest.

4. Apply widely to DO schools. Get a DO letter, and even if you don't, there are DO schools who accept apps without one.

5. Pour your heart out on your personal statement and secondaries. Have someone look over them for constructive criticism.

6. Believe in yourself. I know that is corny as hell, but if I had strayed from my path every time someone doubted that I could make it into med school, I would have given up on med school years ago.

I hope you don't see all that I said as condescending. I certainly do not know all the obstacles that you currently face. But reading about you considering going to the Caribbean or perhaps even giving up on med school altogether prompted me to say something. I really do wish you well on your journey!
 
I feel like I need to say something. I just want to say that this is not meant to be a sob story, or to puff myself up. I've just been reading your posts for months and it reminds me of how hopeless I felt years ago when I first applied to medical school (the first time I applied, I was around 23-24 years old).

I was in a much worse financial situation than you when I decided to pursue medicine. I had graduated college, but I was barely making minimum wage. I lived in poor conditions, and had to skip meals several times per week because I couldn't afford it. My parents couldn't help because they lived far away in a developing country. I took the MCAT and did miserably. I applied terribly late. My life seemed like it was going down the drain. So, I did a couple of things that I now recommend to you.

1. Go to graduate school (preferably a SMP) or take upper level courses. I obviously did not have the money, so I took a loan to get my master's degree.

2. Re-take the MCAT.

3. Apply early. I believe you were complete by August/September? Next time, have everything done by July at the very latest.

4. Apply widely to DO schools. Get a DO letter, and even if you don't, there are DO schools who accept apps without one.

5. Pour your heart out on your personal statement and secondaries. Have someone look over them for constructive criticism.

6. Believe in yourself. I know that is corny as hell, but if I had strayed from my path every time someone doubted that I could make it into med school, I would have given up on med school years ago.

I hope you don't see all that I said as condescending. I certainly do not know all the obstacles that you currently face. But reading about you considering going to the Caribbean or perhaps even giving up on med school altogether prompted me to say something. I really do wish you well on your journey!

Therein lies the problem- I cannot afford a masters/SMP but I've got a PhD seat but everyone says that won't help with med admissions in the future. I just don't understand how a PhD in a basic science is basically just a fancy EC (even when coupled with a great MCAT and good ECS). I wouldn't just be doing the PhD to reapply but I am genuinely interested in research.

Thanks for the encouragement

Edit: I know the Caribbean isn't the best option but I just feel like it could possibly allow me to achieve my dream without taking an inordinate amount of time. I know I'm a good student and test-taker but I had some upsets in undergrad and took the MCAT too soon-would I really have that much trouble in the Caribbean?
 
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Therein lies the problem- I cannot afford a masters/SMP but I've got a PhD seat but everyone says that won't help with med admissions in the future. I just don't understand how a PhD in a basic science is basically just a fancy EC (even when coupled with a great MCAT and good ECS). I wouldn't just be doing the PhD to reapply but I am genuinely interested in research.

Thanks for the encouragement

I feel like this discussion has stalled my friend. There is actually nothing else anyone can tell you. Right now your GPA and your mcat together work against you. Generally if one is lower, the other needs to be higher so the adcom can reasonably presume you won't fail out of med school and won't fail your boards.
The reason a PhD won't help you is because all the adcom members will see (4-7 years from now....) is that you applied to med school before, didn't get in AND you re-routed yourself to get a PhD. That doesn't exactly scream *I'm committed to medicine and want to be a clinician*
Also your MCAT will expire so you'll have to retake it anyways.

Everyone except caribbean faculty/admin people say caribbean is a bad idea. And your GPA paired with your mcat do not inspire us to believe that you will be one of the successful caribbean applicants.
That is not meant to be insulting or rude, I'm just trying to be as straightforward as possible so you don't ruin your life....huge amount of debt with no way to pay it back + added self-esteem blow of not being successful=good recipe to ruin your life (or at least make it really, really unpleasant)

Is the reason you can't afford an SMP that you don't want to take out loans? It's very valid reasoning because student debt is a b**** but if a loan is what it takes and you're committed to doing nothing else except crushing your school work then it's probably worth it.

Getting your PhD is a great thing. It will be a huge accomplishment, and it already is a huge accomplishment that you have a seat ready and waiting for you. You say you're genuinely interested in research but you also say that your one dream in life is to be a medical doctor. I think we're all a little bit confused about what it is you really want to do with your life and I think you might be a little bit confused too. That's why the idea of just taking these next few months to step back and just sit and think about what you want your life to look like is such a good idea. I believe I read somewhere on this site that 50% of applicants don't get in on their first try and it generally takes 2 cycles. So you're not alone in your struggle dude!
But a word of caution: if you get a PhD just so you can reapply to med school a half decade down the line you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

really I wish you well in everything
 
Therein lies the problem- I cannot afford a masters/SMP but I've got a PhD seat but everyone says that won't help with med admissions in the future. I just don't understand how a PhD in a basic science is basically just a fancy EC (even when coupled with a great MCAT and good ECS). I wouldn't just be doing the PhD to reapply but I am genuinely interested in research.

Thanks for the encouragement

Edit: I know the Caribbean isn't the best option but I just feel like it could possibly allow me to achieve my dream without taking an inordinate amount of time. I know I'm a good student and test-taker but I had some upsets in undergrad and took the MCAT too soon-would I really have that much trouble in the Caribbean?

I couldn't afford a SMP/masters in a million years, but I took out a loan. I advice you look into loans specific to grad schools like PLUS loans. And everybody who goes to the Caribbean thinks they can hack it through...except half of them don't.
 
Has anyone filled out FAFSA already? I completed it in December, but I just got an e-mail from the US Department of Education saying that I should do IRS data retrieval (they recommend it) and that if I don't, I may be required to provide IRS tax return documentation and what would slow down receiving my financial aid? I'm just not sure that to do.
 
Has anyone filled out FAFSA already? I completed it in December, but I just got an e-mail from the US Department of Education saying that I should do IRS data retrieval (they recommend it) and that if I don't, I may be required to provide IRS tax return documentation and what would slow down receiving my financial aid? I'm just not sure that to do.

Yeah, I filled mine out a couple weeks ago. I couldn’t get the retrieval tool to work with my mother’s tax info, so I ended up just filling it out with her tax return next to me. Mine was verified a day or two later. I’ve also filled out every fasfa form for school and never used the tool and never have been flagged for tax verification. If you use the tool, you will automatically be verified, but if you don’t use the tool you might be flagged for manual verification and you’d have to mail in your taxes.
 
Yeah, I filled mine out a couple weeks ago. I couldn’t get the retrieval tool to work with my mother’s tax info, so I ended up just filling it out with her tax return next to me. Mine was verified a day or two later. I’ve also filled out every fasfa form for school and never used the tool and never have been flagged for tax verification. If you use the tool, you will automatically be verified, but if you don’t use the tool you might be flagged for manual verification and you’d have to mail in your taxes.
Alright well I'm not going to worry about it. I filled it out using my tax return which was right next to me as well. I couldn't get the tax retrieval thing to work anyway. I may go back and try it again though since the Department of ED. sent this e-mail. :shrug:
 
Alright well I'm not going to worry about it. I filled it out using my tax return which was right next to me as well. I couldn't get the tax retrieval thing to work anyway. I may go back and try it again though since the Department of ED. sent this e-mail. :shrug:
if you do, go directly to the FAFSA login site to sign in to your account, don't follow links in an email just in case it's a bogus email
 
Therein lies the problem- I cannot afford a masters/SMP but I've got a PhD seat but everyone says that won't help with med admissions in the future. I just don't understand how a PhD in a basic science is basically just a fancy EC (even when coupled with a great MCAT and good ECS). I wouldn't just be doing the PhD to reapply but I am genuinely interested in research.

Thanks for the encouragement

Edit: I know the Caribbean isn't the best option but I just feel like it could possibly allow me to achieve my dream without taking an inordinate amount of time. I know I'm a good student and test-taker but I had some upsets in undergrad and took the MCAT too soon-would I really have that much trouble in the Caribbean?

Hey, I haven't contributed much to this convo but just wanted to share some kind words and advice. I have a relatively low GPA and lower MCAT but got in this cycle after sitting out for 3+ cycles/4 yrs. During that time I gained a masters, more relevant & non-relevant work experiences (research, tutor, gas station attendant, warehouse worker, caregiver, etc.), more general volunteer experiences (in things I actually like), & way more clinical experience. I also learned a lot more about this process and redid my entire application to showcase my true passions & strengths, while also being honest/forthcoming about my weaknesses (e.g. low shadowing hours because I non 0 doctors). Finally, I put a full effort into my final MCAT test but did it according to my life circumstances (slow & steady over 6 months in between family & work). I am constantly stretched beyond my means for money, food, transportation, etc. & I support a household of 4 (including my siblings).

It's doable. I've held 2+ jobs at once sense undergrad & that same hustle and drive is what I bring to every interview or experience, whether it's for medical school or just regular life. When one job isn't enough I get two, & when one ends I get another. I've also been able to take a few courses along the way to further my goals in nonprofit work. During all this my close family has been sick & needed caring for, I have racked up debt (though always making sure I keep my credit in check for those med loans later 😵), been threatened with eviction multiple times, and even been homeless.

You have to juggle and invest in yourself. That being said you have to do whatever it takes to get yourself stable footing so you can launch yourself off into your dreams. That PhD does not sound bad, but what everyone is trying to tell you is that it most likely will not help you when you reapply. So you have to boost other parts of your application (rewriting/refocusing, gpa, MCAT, etc.). I personally left my grades alone (because I took every bio class known to man & had a C or above), but focused on gaining a lot more experience, reestablishing for myself "why medicine?" so I could accurately explain it to others, and increased my MCAT (not sky high but a big jump for me that showed tangible improvement). While you're doing this PhD you could be working on other aspects of your application, so that when you graduate you have experiences, etc. to support your goals. Take the time you need, we're all going to get older, but we can at least use that time to work towards our dreams. You need time and if the PhD can give you the stability you need & keep your mind engaged (like me, you actually like and are good at research 😉) then do it. Financial stability is underrated and will undermine your time and mental health.

Also, I got my masters as a way for me to still remain in the sciences, gain some post-college academic experience, and provide myself with a solid backup/now plan to feed myself. There's no shame in that. But it also didn't really help me this cycle. The people interviewing me this cycle still wanted to know about my personal, financial, & ACADEMIC struggles in undergrad. & those same interviewers stated how impressed they are at my MCAT jump, or research experience, or passion/experience with the underserved.

Anyway...... I'm done rambling. I just don't want you to give up on yourself or keep lashing out at people trying to help you. When the world seems to be closing in people lash out, but you can turn that energy inward & make a better you while also improving your situation whether you become a physician or not.
 
Hey, I haven't contributed much to this convo but just wanted to share some kind words and advice. I have a relatively low GPA and lower MCAT but got in this cycle after sitting out for 3+ cycles/4 yrs. During that time I gained a masters, more relevant & non-relevant work experiences (research, tutor, gas station attendant, warehouse worker, caregiver, etc.), more general volunteer experiences (in things I actually like), & way more clinical experience. I also learned a lot more about this process and redid my entire application to showcase my true passions & strengths, while also being honest/forthcoming about my weaknesses (e.g. low shadowing hours because I non 0 doctors). Finally, I put a full effort into my final MCAT test but did it according to my life circumstances (slow & steady over 6 months in between family & work). I am constantly stretched beyond my means for money, food, transportation, etc. & I support a household of 4 (including my siblings).

It's doable. I've held 2+ jobs at once sense undergrad & that same hustle and drive is what I bring to every interview or experience, whether it's for medical school or just regular life. When one job isn't enough I get two, & when one ends I get another. I've also been able to take a few courses along the way to further my goals in nonprofit work. During all this my close family has been sick & needed caring for, I have racked up debt (though always making sure I keep my credit in check for those med loans later 😵), been threatened with eviction multiple times, and even been homeless.

You have to juggle and invest in yourself. That being said you have to do whatever it takes to get yourself stable footing so you can launch yourself off into your dreams. That PhD does not sound bad, but what everyone is trying to tell you is that it most likely will not help you when you reapply. So you have to boost other parts of your application (rewriting/refocusing, gpa, MCAT, etc.). I personally left my grades alone (because I took every bio class known to man & had a C or above), but focused on gaining a lot more experience, reestablishing for myself "why medicine?" so I could accurately explain it to others, and increased my MCAT (not sky high but a big jump for me that showed tangible improvement). While you're doing this PhD you could be working on other aspects of your application, so that when you graduate you have experiences, etc. to support your goals. Take the time you need, we're all going to get older, but we can at least use that time to work towards our dreams. You need time and if the PhD can give you the stability you need & keep your mind engaged (like me, you actually like and are good at research 😉) then do it. Financial stability is underrated and will undermine your time and mental health.

Also, I got my masters as a way for me to still remain in the sciences, gain some post-college academic experience, and provide myself with a solid backup/now plan to feed myself. There's no shame in that. But it also didn't really help me this cycle. The people interviewing me this cycle still wanted to know about my personal, financial, & ACADEMIC struggles in undergrad. & those same interviewers stated how impressed they are at my MCAT jump, or research experience, or passion/experience with the underserved.

Anyway...... I'm done rambling. I just don't want you to give up on yourself or keep lashing out at people trying to help you. When the world seems to be closing in people lash out, but you can turn that energy inward & make a better you while also improving your situation whether you become a physician or not.

Thank you for taking the time to write this out to help me!

By doing the PhD and focusing on other parts of my app, you're saying I can become more well-rounded and this may possibly help me should I reapply? It's not that I don't want to take the time to improve, it's just that I feel like the financial stability the PhD programs provides will allow me to focus on myself more easily.

You're saying that I should do what is necessary for stability and still push myself to do experiences which reinforce my interest in medicine? The school I'll be attending has a huge associated hospital so I'm sure I could find some volunteering which I love.

The research I'll be doing is very clinically relevant (as is the coursework) so proving myself academically shouldn't be a problem.
 
Hey, I haven't contributed much to this convo but just wanted to share some kind words and advice. I have a relatively low GPA and lower MCAT but got in this cycle after sitting out for 3+ cycles/4 yrs. During that time I gained a masters, more relevant & non-relevant work experiences (research, tutor, gas station attendant, warehouse worker, caregiver, etc.), more general volunteer experiences (in things I actually like), & way more clinical experience. I also learned a lot more about this process and redid my entire application to showcase my true passions & strengths, while also being honest/forthcoming about my weaknesses (e.g. low shadowing hours because I non 0 doctors). Finally, I put a full effort into my final MCAT test but did it according to my life circumstances (slow & steady over 6 months in between family & work). I am constantly stretched beyond my means for money, food, transportation, etc. & I support a household of 4 (including my siblings).

It's doable. I've held 2+ jobs at once sense undergrad & that same hustle and drive is what I bring to every interview or experience, whether it's for medical school or just regular life. When one job isn't enough I get two, & when one ends I get another. I've also been able to take a few courses along the way to further my goals in nonprofit work. During all this my close family has been sick & needed caring for, I have racked up debt (though always making sure I keep my credit in check for those med loans later 😵), been threatened with eviction multiple times, and even been homeless.

You have to juggle and invest in yourself. That being said you have to do whatever it takes to get yourself stable footing so you can launch yourself off into your dreams. That PhD does not sound bad, but what everyone is trying to tell you is that it most likely will not help you when you reapply. So you have to boost other parts of your application (rewriting/refocusing, gpa, MCAT, etc.). I personally left my grades alone (because I took every bio class known to man & had a C or above), but focused on gaining a lot more experience, reestablishing for myself "why medicine?" so I could accurately explain it to others, and increased my MCAT (not sky high but a big jump for me that showed tangible improvement). While you're doing this PhD you could be working on other aspects of your application, so that when you graduate you have experiences, etc. to support your goals. Take the time you need, we're all going to get older, but we can at least use that time to work towards our dreams. You need time and if the PhD can give you the stability you need & keep your mind engaged (like me, you actually like and are good at research 😉) then do it. Financial stability is underrated and will undermine your time and mental health.

Also, I got my masters as a way for me to still remain in the sciences, gain some post-college academic experience, and provide myself with a solid backup/now plan to feed myself. There's no shame in that. But it also didn't really help me this cycle. The people interviewing me this cycle still wanted to know about my personal, financial, & ACADEMIC struggles in undergrad. & those same interviewers stated how impressed they are at my MCAT jump, or research experience, or passion/experience with the underserved.

Anyway...... I'm done rambling. I just don't want you to give up on yourself or keep lashing out at people trying to help you. When the world seems to be closing in people lash out, but you can turn that energy inward & make a better you while also improving your situation whether you become a physician or not.

What a motivational story! I'm so happy to hear that things worked out for you. One of my interviewers this cycle went on and on about an M1 with a story similar to yours. Apparently, despite having lower entry stats, this student is doing remarkably well this year. I have no idea whether or not this is you, but regardless, keep doing your thing. I'm so proud of you, and of everyone who has gone through adversity to get to the other side. Dreams aren't impossible to achieve if you work at them mercilessly.
 
What a motivational story! I'm so happy to hear that things worked out for you. One of my interviewers this cycle went on and on about an M1 with a story similar to yours. Apparently, despite having lower entry stats, this student is doing remarkably well this year. I have no idea whether or not this is you, but regardless, keep doing your thing. I'm so proud of you, and of everyone who has gone through adversity to get to the other side. Dreams aren't impossible to achieve if you work at them mercilessly.
This is why I love this thread 🙂
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this out to help me!

By doing the PhD and focusing on other parts of my app, you're saying I can become more well-rounded and this may possibly help me should I reapply? It's not that I don't want to take the time to improve, it's just that I feel like the financial stability the PhD programs provides will allow me to focus on myself more easily.

You're saying that I should do what is necessary for stability and still push myself to do experiences which reinforce my interest in medicine? The school I'll be attending has a huge associated hospital so I'm sure I could find some volunteering which I love.

The research I'll be doing is very clinically relevant (as is the coursework) so proving myself academically shouldn't be a problem.

1) Yes & No. Focusing on other parts of your app will help you, but the PhD itself will be just a footnote of sorts (unless you get an IA or something). Medicine isn't really concerned with your other degrees but how they play into your motivation for medicine. So work on a way to relate it to your interest in healthcare. DO NOT state/imply that the PhD was just to pay the bills or bide time to anyone (especially those in your future PhD program or those that may interview you later for an MD/DO cycle)*. You are doing it for self-improvement & to explore your interests. This will show you as an intellectual go-getter instead of someone giving up on their dream or using PhD resources to further your MD/DO career. & having a bit of financial stability/freedom definitely frees you up to focus on yourself; that's one of the great benefits of having money 😀

2) You can go for financial and professional security AND still push yourself or set up alternative plans for your future. Stability and goal-reaching are not mutually exclusive. But the cost of keeping that stability AND striving for something different later is time. It will take time to do you PhD & emotional investment on your part (ESPECIALLY if you enjoy it). Utilize those connections to volunteer, tutor, teach, gain leadership experience. Always be adding to your AMCAS app in your mind. Adcoms seem to like research but they also want to see lots of clinical experience & volunteering. Don't let the PhD program completely swallow all your time, but don't treat it as "less than" either. You should feel honored that you get to pursue that kind of degree and respect the time & money spent on you as a student.

3) That's great, but doing clinically relevant research will not help you academically with Adcoms. Depending on how bad your GPA is you may still want to retake/take a BCPM class or two to help you there. If you are fine with your odds of admittance with where your current GPA than take heavier grad school classes, get good grades & call it a day on the GPA improvement. You can't do it all so pick a few major things to improve (like MCAT) & do that.

Also, do not be afraid if you find out you actually like/love research enough to forgo medicine. It's ok to pick another route to being fulfilled even if you've told everyone you're going to be a neurosurgeon or something. I'm not saying you will, but I honestly do love research and had to make sure that medicine is where I definitely wanted to be above all else.

*Some may disagree with this but that's how I honestly viewed it and talked about it during interviews. I never said it was "in case medicine didn't work out" or something like that, even if it was a contingency plan of sorts. Everything outside of med school is a contingency plan really when you want it bad enough.
 
Alright well I'm not going to worry about it. I filled it out using my tax return which was right next to me as well. I couldn't get the tax retrieval thing to work anyway. I may go back and try it again though since the Department of ED. sent this e-mail. :shrug:

Yeah I got that email too a while ago and that’s when i couldn’t get the pin to work and said w/e and submitted with no problem.
 
What are people doing to prepare for medical school? Not studying (perish the thought!) but more life preparations? I've started collecting quick and easy recipes. I'm also thinking about buying an Instant Pot.

Has anyone filled out FAFSA already? I completed it in December, but I just got an e-mail from the US Department of Education saying that I should do IRS data retrieval (they recommend it) and that if I don't, I may be required to provide IRS tax return documentation and what would slow down receiving my financial aid? I'm just not sure that to do.

I filled out my FAFSA (and got the IRS data retrieval to work) but I think some schools require your tax returns regardless.
 
What are people doing to prepare for medical school? Not studying (perish the thought!) but more life preparations? I've started collecting quick and easy recipes. I'm also thinking about buying an Instant Pot.



I filled out my FAFSA (and got the IRS data retrieval to work) but I think some schools require your tax returns regardless.
I'm reading self-help books, exercising more, taking it easy basically.
 
What are people doing to prepare for medical school? Not studying (perish the thought!) but more life preparations? I've started collecting quick and easy recipes. I'm also thinking about buying an Instant Pot.



I filled out my FAFSA (and got the IRS data retrieval to work) but I think some schools require your tax returns regardless.

This is so me. I have started cooking for myself and SO much more. Was not a cooking person at all during undergrad. I feel anxious about not being ready for medical school but tbh I do not want to study right this time haha. Currently working to save up for any down-payments for my new place for med school and enjoying the free time I have before classes start as much as I can. 🙂
 
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