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Are you asking so you can point the finger at me over the fiasco that AAMC created if I say yes? LOL. I'm joking, have at it. The answer is technically, yes although I went down to 1 acceptance prior to 4/30.
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So this is going to end up being one huge stalemate. People are keeping multiple acceptances because they want to get off the waitlist elsewhere. But waitlist movement is stagnant.
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AlphaDoctor
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Gunna have to wait for schools CTE deadlines it seems
That's the thing, it's not a rule it's just a suggestion. I'm really glad they are tweeting that and trying to get classes full.
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I think the other person was being sarcastic.
Graduate grades are not included in the overall gpa and are not generally considered evidence of academic prowess (at MD schools).
DO schools see things differently.
I wish everyone could just be a good, honest person and follow the "guideline" even if it's just a guideline. They implemented it to try to make this better/easier!! I guess the issue is maybe some schools are not considering an applicant as "going" until they select CTE, which makes PTE kind of pointless tbh...
Therein lies another big problem I believe. PTE doesn't give enough actionable info and there aren't really any reinforcements about it. Even if, virtually, every student did act honorably, it would still present a problem because there is no evidence of that along with the lack of information from the missing acceptance reports.
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I think AMCAS could still be liable for lawsuits because it is their responsibility to make the process go smoothly.
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FWIW I selected PTE for a school and was accepted off the waitlist at a school where I didn't even send an LOI. Makes zero difference, y'all are overthinking it
If a significant portion of people are doing this that would explain, or at least contribute to, why schools have no idea who’s planning on attending and cannot give out the typical wave of post April 30th acceptances.
I would expect the majority of people to narrow their choices as schools call them and ask for PTE/CTE and financial aid packages come out.
If schools begin to require PTE or CTE to hold an acceptance people will be forced to narrow to a single Acceptance, release others, and the waitlist movement should occur as it always has.
This combined with people making decisions on their own should create a trickle of seats opening each week rather than the post April 30th tidal wave we were all expecting / hoping for.
What we can’t predict is how these schools will manage / fill these seats as they start to become available. Schools may be waiting for more info to offer additional acceptances even if people have already withdrawn.
Honestly I expect that the # of seats which come off the WL from every school historically is unlikely to change this year. If anything it may be slightly higher with schools accepting less and waitlisting more for 2019.
In my wholly unprofessional opinion, I expect a similar amount of WL movement to happen this year but it might happen over a much longer time and in smaller bursts — driving us all to collective insanity in the process.
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Everyone should just follow the guidelines. Just do it. You think by not selecting PTE/CTE it will help your chances but what it's doing is causing a stalemate where no one is getting selected. So in essence you won't be accepted off your WL school anyways.
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My WL school gave us a stress ball with their name on it at the interview.... it's getting its use!
sam the man
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We're in the same boat, being on only one WL.
lol so much for finding ways to improve my app.
Hi Guys! Im wanting to just vent for 5 seconds.
SO STRESSED. On high priority waitlist for 1 MD and on 2 DO waitlists.
and I'm dying inside. My apt lease is up in 2 weeks, so we need to move but dont know where to move!!!! OH and, we have 2 kids. So I need to move them and get them set up with a daycare/preschool in the new location. I'm finishing my undergrad coursework & have one final and one paper left (yay!) but then have one week to finish my reapplication AMCAS (bcos If I dont do it and I dont get in then I'm a real idiot). And planning my wedding which is June 30.
Basically..... LOL I'm an idiot who thought this med school application would go smoother. I banked too hard on the reputation of my undergrad school (which is ironic bcos every premed class made me feel stupid), but now I have learned. I'm glad I'm not alone. I wish you guys good luck!!!! and I'm done now. phew.
SO STRESSED. On high priority waitlist for 1 MD and on 2 DO waitlists.
and I'm dying inside. My apt lease is up in 2 weeks, so we need to move but dont know where to move!!!! OH and, we have 2 kids. So I need to move them and get them set up with a daycare/preschool in the new location. I'm finishing my undergrad coursework & have one final and one paper left (yay!) but then have one week to finish my reapplication AMCAS (bcos If I dont do it and I dont get in then I'm a real idiot). And planning my wedding which is June 30.
Basically..... LOL I'm an idiot who thought this med school application would go smoother. I banked too hard on the reputation of my undergrad school (which is ironic bcos every premed class made me feel stupid), but now I have learned. I'm glad I'm not alone. I wish you guys good luck!!!! and I'm done now. phew.
I am glad to see this because it really does prove that movement hasn't really happened yet.
But how many people see that tweet? They should mass send an email to everyone.
As long as they accept updates, then I would write a letter explaining that it is your first choice and WHY you are a good fit for the school (connections to the area, specific connections to programs, etc). If you have any updates then you can add them as well. You can tell them your spring grades in the letter. I wouldn't call and ask where you stand
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That tweet is an admission by the AAMC that things are a complete mess. It comes off as, "Please do what we say even though we won't enforce our own 'deadlines'!". I know several people holding multiple A's well past the April 30th suggestion/deadline.
And don't blame applicants for holding multiple A's if their schools are taking forever with financial aid. A lot of responsibility is on the schools to provide timely financial aid and clear PTE/CTE deadlines. A few people on SDN have said in the past, "why should a school spend time on financial aid for a student that isn't going to matriculate anyway?"... this is why!!!
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A friend of mine got his acceptance dropped because he didn’t PTE after 4/30
for real????????? thats scary. was that your friends only acceptance?
i just think its kind of funny that you say this when what ... 70-80 percent of med students will need loans. how many students can even be picky enough to wait to see how much money each school gives them?
its hard not to roll eyes at this when the people without a single acceptance would die to pay their likely full loans tuition lol
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Agreed! Their right to pick between schools is impeding our right to know whether or not we will have a single acceptance.
I understand where you're coming from, but can you really blame them? If their schools don't have PTE deadlines this month and they are waiting on financial aid, why not wait for it? The AAMC isn't going to enforce anything. Are applicants supposed to ignore one of the biggest factors ($$$) in a decision just so other WL'ed applicants don't have to wait as long?
***the situation I'm describing is different from, say, an applicant holding multiple A's in May after receiving financial aid.
The April 30th deadline to hold only one acceptance is not something new from what I understand. Schools should be enforcing this rule more strictly, but it’s harder without the multiple acceptance report. However, schools should reach out to all their accepted students who have not selected PTE by April 30th and tell them to select PTE or withdraw, or else their acceptance will be rescinded. From what I understand, schools can see, or at least deduce, this information, because all student names who selected PTE at their school should be available (please someone correct me if I’m wrong).
I honestly find it surprising. This system is not too difficult to understand (for the applicants, obviously things are a lot more hazy for the adcoms). I mean these are supposed to be our future doctors, who did 4 years of undergrad, the MCAT, etc. The new tool is not more complex than that! And still some students don’t respect the deadline to withdraw by April 30th to help other students on the waitlist (and they all know of this deadline, literally every school mentioned it during my interviews, and we’ve been inundated with emails about it). The problem is when nothing happens to these students that think this is “just a guideline,” more will continue to follow suit in future years, all to the disadvantage of the waitlisted students. Some strict enforcement needs to happen; can’t expect future doctors to do the right thing, unfortunately.
I honestly find it surprising. This system is not too difficult to understand (for the applicants, obviously things are a lot more hazy for the adcoms). I mean these are supposed to be our future doctors, who did 4 years of undergrad, the MCAT, etc. The new tool is not more complex than that! And still some students don’t respect the deadline to withdraw by April 30th to help other students on the waitlist (and they all know of this deadline, literally every school mentioned it during my interviews, and we’ve been inundated with emails about it). The problem is when nothing happens to these students that think this is “just a guideline,” more will continue to follow suit in future years, all to the disadvantage of the waitlisted students. Some strict enforcement needs to happen; can’t expect future doctors to do the right thing, unfortunately.
Maybe the right to know right now, but it shouldn't affect the end outcome of someone getting off the WL or not. I wouldn't blame an applicant for waiting if they are taking into account 10's of thousands of dollars of debt.
That's harsh lol
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Soooo your friend was dropped because he didn’t narrow down to one acceptance and that particular school wasn’t his top choice ?🙂
if got hammered and started writing random nonsense down i'll probably put together a better system than this. I feel like there is a business component into this mess where amcas benefits from. oh wait..
AlphaDoctor
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Money from reapplication lmfao
Money from reapplication
Maybe. WL are def moving everyday, but my guess is slower than usual. Also, adcoms go the satisfaction survey from the AAMC recently. Maybe their responses sparked the tweet. Kinda late for AAMC to put their foot down, lol. Next cycle will be smoother or applicants will just know that WL movement will be slower than before. There's no way to get around the waiting though. Every year the WL thread is the same until school begins.
I agree. If anything it makes me feel a bit better knowing its been slower because it makes me more hopeful than I would have been at this time had the traffic rules not changed. It also is making me check this thread so much less because I now see it as if "it happens, it happens." Refreshing won't make it happen any quicker lol.
Of course there's still movement but hasn't it been said by gyngyn in this thread that it's much slower than usual?
"do not attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence"
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Exactly, haha!
Not sure, you'd have to scroll through the posts. I saw him say that he can't see what other schools are doing this year and that nobody knows what to do really.
Best day since May 1st for me has been today. Avoided these forums since yesterday afternoon. Slept like a baby; relatively worry-free day. Why I'm back right now? Not sure! Will check back tomorrow night. Good luck tomorrow everybody!
@gyngyn if i've understood you correctly in previous comments, it seems many schools (I know you can't speak for all medical schools, but it appears you've got a pretty good pulse on what's going on nationally?) are hesitating to put out WL offers due to their blindedness of what their PTE/CTE students might still have on the side, right?
I guess they are just being rational self-interested actors, which is fair and the least we can expect of any party here. Given this framework of self-interest, what is the critical point that needs to be reached for this standoff to pass lol?
Edit: and if they can't even enforce a CTE, barring a specific contract of withdrawal, what is the difference between their confidence in yield the day after a CTE deadline passes and a month before?
I guess they are just being rational self-interested actors, which is fair and the least we can expect of any party here. Given this framework of self-interest, what is the critical point that needs to be reached for this standoff to pass lol?
Edit: and if they can't even enforce a CTE, barring a specific contract of withdrawal, what is the difference between their confidence in yield the day after a CTE deadline passes and a month before?
AlphaDoctor
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CTE deadlines lol
haha, it looks like the only enforceable CTE deadline at this point is showing up for the first day of class
You hit right on the money. It's all about their bottom line and their bottom line does not prioritize the students one bit.
AlphaDoctor
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Naa there are school specific CTE deadlines though
thissuckslol
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idk man. my WL's have been hauling ass
AlphaDoctor
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Any difference between WLs at public schools vs private schools?
Prob not, other than maybe less movement at state schools since they're cheaper but for the most part they'd be the same
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