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Grr... what’s taking these lists so long? Previous years we got more by this time no?
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I browsed through the KCU 2018 Match group on FB, DaYuM they did really well! Lots of matches at places where DO are seldom, if ever, accepted!
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From what I've seen so far from my school's list, it's all the usuals. (Pedigree FTW!)
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It's a bunch of people posting their own matches so it's not really a list I can post unless I copy and paste every single FB post to the thread
Oh and when I mean a lot, I mean a lot for a DO school
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pls post fellow PCOMer
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So this is the unofficial self-reported list for RVUCOM so far. Obviously not even close to all of our matches (70/appx. 150) , but here's a tease for you all. Also, not organized, because ain't nobody got time for that.
AOA Match:
General Surgery - Mountain Vista Medical Ctr
Family Med - Skyridge
Family Medicine- Adventist Hinsdale Hospital, IL
Orthopedic Surgery -CMHS - Ventura, CA
Orthopedic Surgery - Oklahoma State-Tulsa
Anesthesia - Oklahoma State- Tulsa
Orthopaedic Surgery - McLaren Macomb- MI
Internal Medicine - McLaren Macomb- MI
Dermatology - Beaumont Farmington Hills- MI
Orthopedic Surgery - Doctors Hospital
Emergency Medicine - Metro Health- University of Michigan Health (Wyoming, MI)
Emergency Medicine - Lakeland Health (Saint Joseph, MI)
Internal Medicine - Mountain View- Las Cruces, NM
Orthopaedic Surgery - Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren
TY (then flight surgery) -Altoona Family Physicians PA
ACGME Match:
PM&R - Mayo Clinic (categorical)
Anesthesia - UNM-Albuquerque
EM - LSU-Baton Rouge (categorical)
Diagnostic Radiology - Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University (With TY at Brandon Regional in Tampa)
Anesthesiology - Virginia Commonwealth University
Family Medicine - University of Wyoming-Cheyenne
Neurology - UC Davis Health
Internal Medicine - Legacy Emanuel-Portland, OR
Family Medicine - Rapid City Regional Health, SD
Internal Medicine - The Medical College of Wisconsin
Internal Medicine - Loyola University Medical Center, Chicago
Anesthesiology - University of Kansas - Wichita
Pediatrics - Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) - Charleston
Pediatrics - Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp - Park Ridge, IL
Pediatrics - University of Southern California (USC)
Psychiatry - Wright State University -Dayton, OH
Psychiatry - University of Arizona - Tucson
Emergency Medicine - Lehigh Valley Health Network- Allentown, PA
Emergency Med - Desert Regional Medical Center, CA
OBGYN - Michigan State University - Grand Rapids, MI
Anesthesiology - University of Kansas - Wichita
General Surgery - Saint Joseph Hospital- Denver, CO (categorical)
Anesthesiology - University of Illinois Chicago
General surgery - St Joe's Denver
Anesthesiology - University of Louisville
EM - University of Connecticut
Pediatrics - University of Colorado
Emergency Medicine - Hennepin County Medical Center - Minneapolis, MN
Family Medicine - Hunterdon Medical Center - New Jersey
Diagnostic Radiology - Sacred Heart Medical Center-Spokane, WA
Emergency Medicine - Arnot Ogden Medical Center- Elmira, NY
OBGYN - University of Oklahoma- Tulsa
Emergency Medicine - Christus Health - Texas A&M - Spohn Hospital, Corpus Christi, TX
Neurology - Sky Ridge/Swedish - Denver, CO
Internal Medicine - University of Nebraska - Omaha
Anesthesiology - LSU-Shreveport
Internal Medicine - Saint Joseph Hospital, Denver CO
Pediatrics - Texas Tech University- Lubbock, TX
Pediatrics - NEOMED - Akron Children’s Hospital, OH
Internal Medicine - University of Chicago NorthShore
Family Medicine - Family Medicine Residency of Idaho: Magic Valley Rural Training Track
Family Medicine - MAHEC- Mountain Area Health Education Center (Asheville, NC)
General Surgery - St Joe’s, Denver CO
Emergency Medicine - Indiana University - Indianapolis, IN
Family Medicine - Alaska Family Medicine Residency, Anchorage AK
Anesthesiology - Mayo Clinic - Jacksonville, FL
Anesthesiology - UT-Houston
Emergency Medicine - St. Mary Mercy Livonia - Livonia, MI
Military Match:
TY - Naval Hospital Portsmouth
OBGYN - NMC-Portsmouth
EM - WPAFB/Wright state university
TY - Naval Medical Center San Diego
Orthopedic Surgery - San Antonio Military Medical Center
Pediatrics - Tripler Army Medical Center- Honolulu, HI
Urology Match:
Urology - University of Texas at Houston
AOA Match:
General Surgery - Mountain Vista Medical Ctr
Family Med - Skyridge
Family Medicine- Adventist Hinsdale Hospital, IL
Orthopedic Surgery -CMHS - Ventura, CA
Orthopedic Surgery - Oklahoma State-Tulsa
Anesthesia - Oklahoma State- Tulsa
Orthopaedic Surgery - McLaren Macomb- MI
Internal Medicine - McLaren Macomb- MI
Dermatology - Beaumont Farmington Hills- MI
Orthopedic Surgery - Doctors Hospital
Emergency Medicine - Metro Health- University of Michigan Health (Wyoming, MI)
Emergency Medicine - Lakeland Health (Saint Joseph, MI)
Internal Medicine - Mountain View- Las Cruces, NM
Orthopaedic Surgery - Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren
TY (then flight surgery) -Altoona Family Physicians PA
ACGME Match:
PM&R - Mayo Clinic (categorical)
Anesthesia - UNM-Albuquerque
EM - LSU-Baton Rouge (categorical)
Diagnostic Radiology - Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University (With TY at Brandon Regional in Tampa)
Anesthesiology - Virginia Commonwealth University
Family Medicine - University of Wyoming-Cheyenne
Neurology - UC Davis Health
Internal Medicine - Legacy Emanuel-Portland, OR
Family Medicine - Rapid City Regional Health, SD
Internal Medicine - The Medical College of Wisconsin
Internal Medicine - Loyola University Medical Center, Chicago
Anesthesiology - University of Kansas - Wichita
Pediatrics - Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) - Charleston
Pediatrics - Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp - Park Ridge, IL
Pediatrics - University of Southern California (USC)
Psychiatry - Wright State University -Dayton, OH
Psychiatry - University of Arizona - Tucson
Emergency Medicine - Lehigh Valley Health Network- Allentown, PA
Emergency Med - Desert Regional Medical Center, CA
OBGYN - Michigan State University - Grand Rapids, MI
Anesthesiology - University of Kansas - Wichita
General Surgery - Saint Joseph Hospital- Denver, CO (categorical)
Anesthesiology - University of Illinois Chicago
General surgery - St Joe's Denver
Anesthesiology - University of Louisville
EM - University of Connecticut
Pediatrics - University of Colorado
Emergency Medicine - Hennepin County Medical Center - Minneapolis, MN
Family Medicine - Hunterdon Medical Center - New Jersey
Diagnostic Radiology - Sacred Heart Medical Center-Spokane, WA
Emergency Medicine - Arnot Ogden Medical Center- Elmira, NY
OBGYN - University of Oklahoma- Tulsa
Emergency Medicine - Christus Health - Texas A&M - Spohn Hospital, Corpus Christi, TX
Neurology - Sky Ridge/Swedish - Denver, CO
Internal Medicine - University of Nebraska - Omaha
Anesthesiology - LSU-Shreveport
Internal Medicine - Saint Joseph Hospital, Denver CO
Pediatrics - Texas Tech University- Lubbock, TX
Pediatrics - NEOMED - Akron Children’s Hospital, OH
Internal Medicine - University of Chicago NorthShore
Family Medicine - Family Medicine Residency of Idaho: Magic Valley Rural Training Track
Family Medicine - MAHEC- Mountain Area Health Education Center (Asheville, NC)
General Surgery - St Joe’s, Denver CO
Emergency Medicine - Indiana University - Indianapolis, IN
Family Medicine - Alaska Family Medicine Residency, Anchorage AK
Anesthesiology - Mayo Clinic - Jacksonville, FL
Anesthesiology - UT-Houston
Emergency Medicine - St. Mary Mercy Livonia - Livonia, MI
Military Match:
TY - Naval Hospital Portsmouth
OBGYN - NMC-Portsmouth
EM - WPAFB/Wright state university
TY - Naval Medical Center San Diego
Orthopedic Surgery - San Antonio Military Medical Center
Pediatrics - Tripler Army Medical Center- Honolulu, HI
Urology Match:
Urology - University of Texas at Houston
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FM is the new NMM, apparently.
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unorganized match lists make my brain hurt
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Then organize it. 😉
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LMU-DCOM usually posts theirs in mid to late April. Here's some from the FB group. I left out the AOA matches, FM, military, and some IM ones that only had the city it was in. Less than half the class posted their results.
OB/GYN
St Anthony Hospital-Okla City
Wake Forest
Riverside Regional-Newport News
IM
UMass
U Mississippi
U Florida
UT Knoxville
UTHSC-Memphis x2
U Kentucky
Kettering Health
UK Bowling Green
UIC/Adv Christ
Mercy Med Ctr-Des Moines
AU-UGA
Abott NW
St Vincent-Indy
U Missouri-Columbia
William Beaumont
Texas A&M Scott & White
Psych
JPS
U Minnesota
U South Alabama
Institute of Living-Hartford
EM
Sunrise-Las Vegas
Wayne State
UT Austin/Dell
U Rochester
Inspira Med Ctr
Resurrection-Chicago
Mich State/Sparrow
PM&R
U Minnesota
UNC-Chapel Hill
Vanderbilt
Sinai-Baltimore
Neuro
MCW
UAB
DR
U Kentucky
Anesth
U Kentucky
U Cincinnati x2
Thomas Jefferson U
U Buffalo
Detroit Med Ctr
Tulane
U Louisville
GS
U Mississippi
Peds
ETSU
Wash U StL
Tulane
Med Coll of Georgia
U New Mexico
Our Lady of the Lake-Baton Rouge
Arnold Palmer-UF Orlando
Blank-Des Moines
Nationwide-Columbus
OB/GYN
St Anthony Hospital-Okla City
Wake Forest
Riverside Regional-Newport News
IM
UMass
U Mississippi
U Florida
UT Knoxville
UTHSC-Memphis x2
U Kentucky
Kettering Health
UK Bowling Green
UIC/Adv Christ
Mercy Med Ctr-Des Moines
AU-UGA
Abott NW
St Vincent-Indy
U Missouri-Columbia
William Beaumont
Texas A&M Scott & White
Psych
JPS
U Minnesota
U South Alabama
Institute of Living-Hartford
EM
Sunrise-Las Vegas
Wayne State
UT Austin/Dell
U Rochester
Inspira Med Ctr
Resurrection-Chicago
Mich State/Sparrow
PM&R
U Minnesota
UNC-Chapel Hill
Vanderbilt
Sinai-Baltimore
Neuro
MCW
UAB
DR
U Kentucky
Anesth
U Kentucky
U Cincinnati x2
Thomas Jefferson U
U Buffalo
Detroit Med Ctr
Tulane
U Louisville
GS
U Mississippi
Peds
ETSU
Wash U StL
Tulane
Med Coll of Georgia
U New Mexico
Our Lady of the Lake-Baton Rouge
Arnold Palmer-UF Orlando
Blank-Des Moines
Nationwide-Columbus
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Too small to add. Just type #Pcommatch on Instagram.
ALSO just found out we got a student match into Boston University for IM!!!! Might be the first DO ever there.
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Incomplete RVU match list 2018 with improved but still imperfect organization
GAS=10
AOA Anesthesia - Oklahoma State- Tulsa
ACGME Anesthesia - UNM-Albuquerque
ACGME Anesthesiology - Virginia Commonwealth University
ACGME Anesthesiology - University of Kansas - Wichita
ACGME Anesthesiology - University of Illinois Chicago
ACGME Anesthesiology - University of Kansas - Wichita
ACGME Anesthesiology - University of Louisville
ACGME Anesthesiology - LSU-Shreveport
ACGME Anesthesiology - Mayo Clinic - Jacksonville, FL
ACGME Anesthesiology - UT-Houston
DERM=1
AOA Dermatology - Beaumont Farmington Hills- MI
EM=12
AOA Emergency Medicine - Metro Health- University of Michigan Health (Wyoming, MI)
AOA Emergency Medicine - Lakeland Health (Saint Joseph, MI)
ACGME EM - LSU-Baton Rouge (categorical)
ACGME Emergency Medicine - Lehigh Valley Health Network- Allentown, PA
ACGME Emergency Med - Desert Regional Medical Center, CA
ACGME EM - University of Connecticut
ACGME Emergency Medicine - Arnot Ogden Medical Center- Elmira, NY
ACGME Emergency Medicine - Christus Health - Texas A&M - Spohn Hospital, Corpus Christi, TX
ACGME Emergency Medicine - Hennepin County Medical Center - Minneapolis, MN
ACGME Emergency Medicine - Indiana University - Indianapolis, IN
ACGME Emergency Medicine - St. Mary Mercy Livonia - Livonia, MI
MIL EM - WPAFB/Wright state university
FM=8
AOA Family Med - Skyridge
AOA Family Medicine- Adventist Hinsdale Hospital, IL
ACGME Family Medicine - University of Wyoming-Cheyenne
ACGME Family Medicine - Hunterdon Medical Center - New Jersey
ACGME Family Medicine - Rapid City Regional Health, SD
ACGME Family Medicine - Family Medicine Residency of Idaho: Magic Valley Rural Training Track
ACGME Family Medicine - MAHEC- Mountain Area Health Education Center (Asheville, NC)
ACGME Family Medicine - Alaska Family Medicine Residency, Anchorage AK
PEDS=7
ACGME Pediatrics - Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) - Charleston
ACGME Pediatrics - Advocate Lutheran Gen Hosp - Park Ridge, IL
ACGME Pediatrics - University of Southern California (USC)
ACGME Pediatrics - University of Colorado
ACGME Pediatrics - Texas Tech University- Lubbock, TX
ACGME Pediatrics - NEOMED - Akron Children’s Hospital, OH
MIL Pediatrics - Tripler Army Medical Center- Honolulu, HI
IM=8
AOA Internal Medicine - Mountain View- Las Cruces, NM
AOA Internal Medicine - McLaren Macomb- MI
ACGME Internal Medicine - Legacy Emanuel-Portland, OR
ACGME Internal Medicine - The Medical College of Wisconsin
ACGME Internal Medicine - Loyola University Medical Center, Chicago
ACGME Internal Medicine - University of Nebraska - Omaha
ACGME Internal Medicine - Saint Joseph Hospital, Denver CO
ACGME Internal Medicine - University of Chicago NorthShore
PMR=1
ACGME PM&R - Mayo Clinic (categorical)
PSYCH=2
ACGME Psychiatry - Wright State University -Dayton, OH
ACGME Psychiatry - University of Arizona - Tucson
DR=2
ACGME Diagnostic Radiology - Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University (With TY at Brandon Regional in Tampa)
ACGME Diagnostic Radiology - Sacred Heart Medical Center-Spokane, WA
OB=3
ACGME OBGYN - Michigan State University - Grand Rapids, MI
ACGME OBGYN - University of Oklahoma- Tulsa
MIL OBGYN - NMC-Portsmouth
NEURO=2
ACGME Neurology - UC Davis Health
ACGME Neurology - Sky Ridge/Swedish - Denver, CO
TY=3
AOA TY (then flight surgery) -Altoona Family Physicians PA
MIL TY - Naval Hospital Portsmouth
MIL TY - Naval Medical Center San Diego
SURG=4
AOA General Surgery - Mountain Vista Medical Ctr
ACGME General Surgery - Saint Joseph Hospital- Denver, CO (categorical)
ACGME General surgery - St Joe's Denver
ACGME General Surgery - St Joe’s, Denver CO
ORTHO=6
AOA Orthopedic Surgery -CMHS - Ventura, CA
AOA Orthopedic Surgery - Oklahoma State-Tulsa
AOA Orthopaedic Surgery - McLaren Macomb- MI
AOA Orthopedic Surgery - Doctors Hospital
AOA Orthopaedic Surgery - Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren
MIL Orthopedic Surgery - San Antonio Military Medical Center
URO=1
URO Urology - University of Texas at Houston
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I heard they make every student take USMLE and take every NBME shelf. I guarantee that has an impact.
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Are we really going to let this one slide? I mean who wouldn't want to be trained in the 'Magic Valley Rural Training track'? This man needs to be my vice dean immediately.
Seriously? No reason to be rude, whoever matched here probably has very good reasons for doing so, and will actually be helping the nationwide maldistribution of primary care physicians by practicing where no one else wants to. As you get further in your career you will realize that matching is extremely individualized, and not everyone wants to be trained at the ivory tower institutions.
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You assumed I am making fun of the individual who matched here, I am not. Obviously offering a vice dean position in my future COM is the greatest compliment I have to give!
But in case anyone is still confused, I have no problem with his match, and I have no idea how competitive or not it is. But I absolutely love the name. I am not certain I would want it on my resume, but the fact that a 'magic valley rural track' FM residency exists makes my day. I wasn't even sure it was real, but it is, and it looks pretty magical: Magic Valley Rural Training Track - Family Medicine Residency of Idaho
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Yeah USMLE Step 1 is required and we take nbme shelf exams. It sucks taking both sets of boards, but it certainly can't hurt your applications.
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What makes you think the University of Kansas has low quality clinical sites? This is why it's best to actually start med school before weighing in on such things without adequate information.
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That's funny. Are you in medical school? Because if not, it's usually best to make sure you know how to read before starting medical school.
I never said KU had poor clinical sites. If you actually read what I wrote, I said there are plenty of MDs who would be happy with a residency at KU, and then I separated my thoughts with a comma and said there are plenty of md students who have poor rotation sites as well.
Good job sticking it to me for not being in school yet, though. You got me there.
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Can you cite some examples where MD students have poor clinical sites?
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What would your definition of a poor clinical site be?
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I give you a quote taken directly from the website of a new MD school:
"instead of rotating through wards in a university-owned teaching hospital, students train in the diverse health care facilities of clinical partners. Their experiences can include hospitals and clinics large and small, urban and rural, working with diverse patient populations. Instead of learning primarily from medical residents, they learn primarily from seasoned clinicians who may have decades of experience."
tldr: rotations are mainly preceptorships not in academic settings, with ample time spent in the outpatient setting. Extremely similar to many of the cons given to most DO rotations.
These sites are the same sites that the local DO school has rotated at for years. I've lived in this state previously, these sites are nothing to write home about.
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The real downfall of DO schools is that they are so slow at releasing their match lists so now we have to read people fighting about stupid crap instead of reading match lists and fighting with MT.
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Those were the days
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And which school may this be?
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Clinical Partners | Elson S. Floyd College of Medicine | Washington State University
I just copied and pasted into Google.
Not taking a side, I just wanted to do the leg work to keep the.... discussion.....going.
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Fanastic, that’s ONE MD school that sometimes send kids to non-hospita sites, and probably not even for core rotations like surgery or medicine and such.
Now, can you name me one DO school that place 100% of its students in a residency driven hospital for core surgery 3rd year programs? Just geniunely curious.
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A new CA MD school just opened up, and I doubt the clinical rotations will be that great. They will be competing against WesternU for their existing clinical sites (literally all the same ones). Also with the case of UNLV, no anatomy lab dissections. So it's not a DO thing, it's more like a new school thing.
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Not the point. The point is that MD students are looked at with far more consideration since it is assumed their floor in clinical training is greater than the average DO school. Yet schools like that one exist. The guidelines for COCA and LCME rotations sites are now extremely similar, so why is even the worst MD school's students treated better than the best DO school's students on ACMGE interviews? This is the point.
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FALSE. Cal Northstate students will be rotating in Kaiser NorCal which is NOT a WesternCOMP site. KaiserNorCal has a TON of GME and I suspect CalNorthstate will be using this infrastructure for MS3 clinical training. Cal Northstate has also funded the opening of a new EM program in a different hospital in NorCal (the name escapes me now).
UNLV has opened up more GME spots than Touro-Nevada ever did in southern Nevada and they haven't even graduated a class yet.
Meanwhile MUCOM, LUCOM, ACOM, LMNOPCOM haven't opened up a single new GME program despite already graduating a class. Incarnate Word promised to open up 200 new GME spots before the graduation of the first class but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen either.
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If the AOA or COCA or whoever, really cared to explore this point, they would aggressively be surveying PD's (whether formally or informally), to determine what it is with DO education that causes them to not interview or rank DO candidates.
Sure, for some programs it's supply and demand, and the very top programs will be inundated with top applicants from the very top MD schools, and even MD students from unranked schools, may not get an interview, but for the far greater number of programs, this would likely be a valuable exercise.
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In fact, they are the exact same.
A few clarification, the poster you quoted was not talking about CNU. There is a new school opening up that is basically just taking Western sites. Additionally, UNLV actually just renamed all the UNR residencies that were already existing in the area. Maybe they have added one or two new programs, I don’t care enough to check, but let’s not pretend they opened all these new residencies.
Well you asked for one so.... would you like me to find you another one? I easily can do so. It isn’t as rare as you like to claim and SDN likes to believe. There are a solid number of MD students out there rotating at the exact same sites as DO students. When I was applying I looked into this school, the majority of their rotations will not be with residents and they will definitely not be at teaching hospitals, yes even the cores. All of their students will meet the LCME requirement of having ONE core rotation with residents.
The state DO schools generally have enough wards based surgery rotations with residents to accommodate just about everyone that wants one. Not everyone wants one.
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However, its not supply and demand in a good chunk of cases.
Not just top programs even mid-tier programs do this to DOs also. The top program will be pro-pedigree but not all top programs are like this, one example are some of the Mayo-Rochester programs. Discriminating by school is one thing (and to some degree I am fine by this, if their training is not up to par) but its another thing to discriminate against an entire degree.
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To keep it real with y'all..
I really think after 2025 (give or take 5 years) it will pretty much be two pathways with all these new schools and class expansions.
Wanna do primary care?
Go DO. We'll have you shadow preceptors in outpatient clinics to your heart's delight.
Wanna do surgery/radio/some competitive specialty?
Here's our new MD school with the hospital rotations and built-in residency program infrastructure for you to reap the benefits from.
I hope not but man...
Our DO admin has got to step its frickin' game up dude.
I really think after 2025 (give or take 5 years) it will pretty much be two pathways with all these new schools and class expansions.
Wanna do primary care?
Go DO. We'll have you shadow preceptors in outpatient clinics to your heart's delight.
Wanna do surgery/radio/some competitive specialty?
Here's our new MD school with the hospital rotations and built-in residency program infrastructure for you to reap the benefits from.
I hope not but man...
Our DO admin has got to step its frickin' game up dude.
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Oh great. It’s an md v do thread. Can’t this thread just celebrate the success of our bone wizard brethren? Most of us are already in school so its not like winning an internet argument is somehow going to change anything.
md>do
Do=Physician.
md>do
Do=Physician.
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Was always going to happen, unfortunately.
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Again, too much bs doom and gloom on this thread. Look at the freaking numbers — look at how many residency slots there are compared to how many USMD and DO applicants there are. Ppl are just complaining because when you add students, you make the competitive specialties more competitive because their slots aren’t increasing, yet fm and Im slots keep going up every year.
Being in medical school I realize now how much of a personal aspect there is to this. Ppl didn’t match, but why? I’ve heard some ridiculous stories here and I’ve said person so and so should not even be a doctor and wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t match.
And on the other end of the spectrum, we had a guy just match into Boston University IM. Is it because he went to PCOM? No. It’s because he went to Pcom, AND got a publication at a local MD school, wrote his own case report with researchers from Johns Hopkins, did great on his boards, and probably knocked their socks off during an away rotation.
Being in medical school I realize now how much of a personal aspect there is to this. Ppl didn’t match, but why? I’ve heard some ridiculous stories here and I’ve said person so and so should not even be a doctor and wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t match.
And on the other end of the spectrum, we had a guy just match into Boston University IM. Is it because he went to PCOM? No. It’s because he went to Pcom, AND got a publication at a local MD school, wrote his own case report with researchers from Johns Hopkins, did great on his boards, and probably knocked their socks off during an away rotation.
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With the way the new MD schools are opening up, the lines are going to be blurred even more. I suspect it’s not even an MD vs DO situation anymore, but just transitioning towards school reputation. If PD’s want to take a student from a new MD school vs established DO just because of a title, let them do so. They’d be doing themselves a disservice more than anyone else.
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While I agree that DO schools gear more toward primary care, most competitive specialties out there are still reachable for DO students. You can't depend on DO admins to help us out. Their interests do not align with ours. Nevertheless, DO students are still able to match into more competitive specialties and locations. How? B/c we students are constantly branding our self out there - networking, publications, and perform at a high level on away rotations. Our schools do not help us out with jack s**t and still get the credits to where we match to. Don't fall to the all gloom and doom SDN presents you with nor spend the time argue DO vs MD. Do you think that the guys/gals who match well sit on the internet to do such thing? No way, they utilize their time wisely.
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Just no. Literally every year LESS and LESS DOs enter primary care not more. The last match has the majority or DOs in the ACGME match enter these fields: IM, FM, EM, Peds, Gas. I think realistically post merger there will be a stall or plateau but unlikely we will see a complete reversal.
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I ask this every year, but can mods create a 2018 match list discussion thread so we can filter out all this garbage? The 2018 match lists are a valuable resource for SDN users and it's being diluted by all the nauseating arm-chair debates.
Just sticky the 2018 match list and have the discussion in the regular forum or something. That way people can easily access the information.
Just sticky the 2018 match list and have the discussion in the regular forum or something. That way people can easily access the information.
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Definitely not the case where DO's will be pigeon-holed into primary care only. How about PM&R, Neurology, Psychiatry, Pathology, Emergency Med, and Ob/Gyn? Why is it that SDN always puts these in the same category as Ortho, Plastics, and Derm, then says you're either going to be primary care or "a specialty"? Specialties vary in competitiveness, and IM is very well one of the most competitive specialties depending on the institution. Heck, some specialties like Pathology are even easier to get into than FM. (I say this b/c I see path matches at TOP programs, the same programs where a FM residency is pretty unattainable).
And then we get the response of "but who wants to do pathology." Then I say "STOP portraying your own personal biases as facts on SDN." Just because you want Ortho and can't do it, stop blaming it on a DO school and saying you're now pigeon-holed into primary care. Get yo facts straight.
And then we get the response of "but who wants to do pathology." Then I say "STOP portraying your own personal biases as facts on SDN." Just because you want Ortho and can't do it, stop blaming it on a DO school and saying you're now pigeon-holed into primary care. Get yo facts straight.
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I propose we start the yearly match list thread in April when schools start to release them.
Otherwise we get the “i heard about these good matches” —> “they must have had connections” —> Other nonsense —> MD vs DO argument.
Oh well, at least its somewhat entertaining.
Otherwise we get the “i heard about these good matches” —> “they must have had connections” —> Other nonsense —> MD vs DO argument.
Oh well, at least its somewhat entertaining.
