2024-2025 Northstate

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CG2150 said:
FYI. CNU’s match has always been impressive. They typically match above 95%. So they definitely do well there and they match into some really impressive programs.
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CNU does not report its declining primary match results. The 95% is after SOAP.
 
Cancerroyale said:
Need some advice y'all....

This is my only A this cycle. I'm on 4 WLs. Is it worth attending this school? I'm strongly considering reapplying if I don't hear back from the WLs.
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if you reject the only acceptance and reapply, the interviewer may question why you reject it. how do you justify it, worrying about it is losing accreditation?
 
NSdoc said:
Wonder if the WSCUC recognized that two individuals listed as holding leadership positions (Vice Chair of Clinical Education & Chair of Clinical Science) on the institution's website no longer actually work there?

If they did not, the smoke and mirrors strategy is working.
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Are you sure those positions are both vacant? I can find the Chair of Clinical Sciences's Linkedin, and it seems that he is both active on Linkedin and is still working at CNUCOM in that position. I see what you mean regarding the Vice Chair of Clinical Education though; he seems to have left CNUCOM and moved to the Adventist Health system last year.

Overall their website does seem broken / out-of-date in quite a few places, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's just an oversight. It's obviously not good, but I don't think issues on their public website inherently suggest that they're hiding information from accrediting institutions.
 
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NSdoc said:
CNU does not report its declining primary match results. The 95% is after SOAP.
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In any case, over the years, I’ve seen graduates from this school become successful physicians—several taking on key leadership roles including several who became chief residents in impressive programs. Residency programs have liked the quality of medical students coming from this school, otherwise they wouldn’t be ranking them as they have. Bottom line is for the student who gets accepted to this medical school: think carefully before you decline an offer to attend. To me, the one thing that would sway me to decline this school is financial aid. Once you get accepted, you will become a physician. But if you really think you have a good shot at getting accepted to another medical school the following cycle then by all means decline the invitation for acceptance and try again next year. It is extremely hard to get into med school and I’ve seen so many 4.0ers and so many 100% MCAT scorers who do not get accepted to med school (and they were so confident that they were going to get it). Good luck to all of you.
 
Since yesterday's virtual info session was only available to accepted & waitlisted students, I thought I'd share some of the notes I took there regarding the LCME situation.

CNUCOM's dean, Dr. Richard Isaacs, spoke with us both in the main Zoom room and in a breakout room where we could talk to him for about an hour. I was admittedly expecting this part of the info session to be mostly platitudes & restatements of CNUCOM's confidence in achieving full accreditation soon, but I was actually impressed to hear Dr. Isaacs go into some specifics that hadn't been covered elsewhere to my knowledge.

According to Dr. Isaacs, CNUCOM's previous administration team did a poor job in the 2021 visit mainly because they didn't have good answers for questions they received on potential curriculum issues. Dr. Isaacs described the previous team as 'resting on [their] laurels', expecting the LCME to go relatively easy on them and for their graduating class statistics to speak for themselves. Since putting together a new administration team, Dr. Isaacs said that they have been restructuring the program to address the LCME's questions; there were able to do this because the LCME specifically gave them a series of questions on areas they wanted to see improvement in. He also said that the LCME's limited survey team was impressed ('blown away', in his words) by the progress they saw at their visit last month. We were also told that the student survey part of the limited survey visit was overwhelmingly positive; anecdotally, from different current and former CNUCOM students I've spoken to, this has been corroborated by what they've told me about their student experience.

Dr. Isaacs also addressed questions on what happens in the event that CNUCOM doesn't get accredited. He said that the LCME requires them to have a teach-out policy in place for that situation. He also said that CNUCOM would appeal the decision and reapply if needed. A loss of accreditation would mean CNUCOM could not enroll the class of 2030, but class of 2029 students would still be able to attend. Per Dr. Isaacs, "the plan is there would be a phaseout of accreditation, but the people here would have all the privileges [of students at an accredited insitution]." Addressing concerns regarding whether students would be able to take NBME licensing exams and apply to ACGME-accredited residency programs, Dr. Isaacs stated that "we will have accreditation through your four years", explaining that class of 2029 students would still be eligible for those exams and residency programs even if accreditation is lost. Dr. Isaacs also reemphasized that he believes accreditation loss is extremely unlikely given the feedback they've already received from the LCME.

The last topic in my notes I took on accreditation was regarding whether CNUCOM would hear anything regarding the accreditation process between February and June. Dr. Isaacs explained that it wouldn't just be radio silence between now and then. He expects to know by the end of April where the LCME is leaning regarding their decision. He also explained that the LCME had 14 days after their survey visit to give him a summary document on their findings during the survey visit; he said that he received this document extremely early (around 2/26) and that it seemed very favorable. After sharing the summary document with CNUCOM, the LCME had 4-6 weeks to send the summary to the LCME Secretariat after CNUCOM had the opportunity to fact-check the summary document; again, Dr. Isaacs said that this process went much quicker, with the summary document getting to the Secretariat after only 2 weeks. Dr. Isaacs also said that the final decision should be made public in June; this addressed my primary concern regarding students potentially not knowing the accreditation results before enrollment since it clarifies that we should know the situation at least around a month before classes start.
 
GCU_Grey_Area said:
Since yesterday's virtual info session was only available to accepted & waitlisted students, I thought I'd share some of the notes I took there regarding the LCME situation.

CNUCOM's dean, Dr. Richard Isaacs, spoke with us both in the main Zoom room and in a breakout room where we could talk to him for about an hour. I was admittedly expecting this part of the info session to be mostly platitudes & restatements of CNUCOM's confidence in achieving full accreditation soon, but I was actually impressed to hear Dr. Isaacs go into some specifics that hadn't been covered elsewhere to my knowledge.

According to Dr. Isaacs, CNUCOM's previous administration team did a poor job in the 2021 visit mainly because they didn't have good answers for questions they received on potential curriculum issues. Dr. Isaacs described the previous team as 'resting on [their] laurels', expecting the LCME to go relatively easy on them and for their graduating class statistics to speak for themselves. Since putting together a new administration team, Dr. Isaacs said that they have been restructuring the program to address the LCME's questions; there were able to do this because the LCME specifically gave them a series of questions on areas they wanted to see improvement in. He also said that the LCME's limited survey team was impressed ('blown away', in his words) by the progress they saw at their visit last month. We were also told that the student survey part of the limited survey visit was overwhelmingly positive; anecdotally, from different current and former CNUCOM students I've spoken to, this has been corroborated by what they've told me about their student experience.

Dr. Isaacs also addressed questions on what happens in the event that CNUCOM doesn't get accredited. He said that the LCME requires them to have a teach-out policy in place for that situation. He also said that CNUCOM would appeal the decision and reapply if needed. A loss of accreditation would mean CNUCOM could not enroll the class of 2030, but class of 2029 students would still be able to attend. Per Dr. Isaacs, "the plan is there would be a phaseout of accreditation, but the people here would have all the privileges [of students at an accredited insitution]." Addressing concerns regarding whether students would be able to take NBME licensing exams and apply to ACGME-accredited residency programs, Dr. Isaacs stated that "we will have accreditation through your four years", explaining that class of 2029 students would still be eligible for those exams and residency programs even if accreditation is lost. Dr. Isaacs also reemphasized that he believes accreditation loss is extremely unlikely given the feedback they've already received from the LCME.

The last topic in my notes I took on accreditation was regarding whether CNUCOM would hear anything regarding the accreditation process between February and June. Dr. Isaacs explained that it wouldn't just be radio silence between now and then. He expects to know by the end of April where the LCME is leaning regarding their decision. He also explained that the LCME had 14 days after their survey visit to give him a summary document on their findings during the survey visit; he said that he received this document extremely early (around 2/26) and that it seemed very favorable. After sharing the summary document with CNUCOM, the LCME had 4-6 weeks to send the summary to the LCME Secretariat after CNUCOM had the opportunity to fact-check the summary document; again, Dr. Isaacs said that this process went much quicker, with the summary document getting to the Secretariat after only 2 weeks. Dr. Isaacs also said that the final decision should be made public in June; this addressed my primary concern regarding students potentially not knowing the accreditation results before enrollment since it clarifies that we should know the situation at least around a month before classes start.
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Well, thank you for sharing!
 
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GCU_Grey_Area said:
Since yesterday's virtual info session was only available to accepted & waitlisted students, I thought I'd share some of the notes I took there regarding the LCME situation.

CNUCOM's dean, Dr. Richard Isaacs, spoke with us both in the main Zoom room and in a breakout room where we could talk to him for about an hour. I was admittedly expecting this part of the info session to be mostly platitudes & restatements of CNUCOM's confidence in achieving full accreditation soon, but I was actually impressed to hear Dr. Isaacs go into some specifics that hadn't been covered elsewhere to my knowledge.

According to Dr. Isaacs, CNUCOM's previous administration team did a poor job in the 2021 visit mainly because they didn't have good answers for questions they received on potential curriculum issues. Dr. Isaacs described the previous team as 'resting on [their] laurels', expecting the LCME to go relatively easy on them and for their graduating class statistics to speak for themselves. Since putting together a new administration team, Dr. Isaacs said that they have been restructuring the program to address the LCME's questions; there were able to do this because the LCME specifically gave them a series of questions on areas they wanted to see improvement in. He also said that the LCME's limited survey team was impressed ('blown away', in his words) by the progress they saw at their visit last month. We were also told that the student survey part of the limited survey visit was overwhelmingly positive; anecdotally, from different current and former CNUCOM students I've spoken to, this has been corroborated by what they've told me about their student experience.

Dr. Isaacs also addressed questions on what happens in the event that CNUCOM doesn't get accredited. He said that the LCME requires them to have a teach-out policy in place for that situation. He also said that CNUCOM would appeal the decision and reapply if needed. A loss of accreditation would mean CNUCOM could not enroll the class of 2030, but class of 2029 students would still be able to attend. Per Dr. Isaacs, "the plan is there would be a phaseout of accreditation, but the people here would have all the privileges [of students at an accredited insitution]." Addressing concerns regarding whether students would be able to take NBME licensing exams and apply to ACGME-accredited residency programs, Dr. Isaacs stated that "we will have accreditation through your four years", explaining that class of 2029 students would still be eligible for those exams and residency programs even if accreditation is lost. Dr. Isaacs also reemphasized that he believes accreditation loss is extremely unlikely given the feedback they've already received from the LCME.

The last topic in my notes I took on accreditation was regarding whether CNUCOM would hear anything regarding the accreditation process between February and June. Dr. Isaacs explained that it wouldn't just be radio silence between now and then. He expects to know by the end of April where the LCME is leaning regarding their decision. He also explained that the LCME had 14 days after their survey visit to give him a summary document on their findings during the survey visit; he said that he received this document extremely early (around 2/26) and that it seemed very favorable. After sharing the summary document with CNUCOM, the LCME had 4-6 weeks to send the summary to the LCME Secretariat after CNUCOM had the opportunity to fact-check the summary document; again, Dr. Isaacs said that this process went much quicker, with the summary document getting to the Secretariat after only 2 weeks. Dr. Isaacs also said that the final decision should be made public in June; this addressed my primary concern regarding students potentially not knowing the accreditation results before enrollment since it clarifies that we should know the situation at least around a month before classes start.
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Nicely done.
 
NSdoc said:
CNU does not report its declining primary match results. The 95% is after SOAP.
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I just checked LinkedIn tonight and noticed that the CNUCOM account has made a post for Match Day. You're right that they don't seem to post primary match results on their website, but they have this time on LinkedIn. They report that "93.5% of [their] students successfully matched on their first attempt" and that "CNUCOM students achieved a 100% placement rate." I admittedly don't know how this actually compares against other schools, but surely this is pretty good, right?

Link to the post
 
Looks like they made a typo and had to repost it - 92% rather than 93.5% for the first attempt, still 100% matching. It stills looks like some pretty good match results.

Link
 
Apparently the match rate fluctuates vastly every year. So it was 84% the prior year pre SOAP and then 93% the year after? From what I know
 
josephpoolpo said:
Apparently the match rate fluctuates vastly every year. So it was 84% the prior year pre SOAP and then 93% the year after? From what I know
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Do we have pre-SOAP match rates from CNUCOM for any other year? I know we got that information this year, but it didn't seem to be posted on their website for earlier years.
 
GCU_Grey_Area said:
I just checked LinkedIn tonight and noticed that the CNUCOM account has made a post for Match Day. You're right that they don't seem to post primary match results on their website, but they have this time on LinkedIn. They report that "93.5% of [their] students successfully matched on their first attempt" and that "CNUCOM students achieved a 100% placement rate." I admittedly don't know how this actually compares against other schools, but surely this is pretty good, right?

Link to the post
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93.5% pre-SOAP match rate is excellent. Schools like USC and UCLA typically are in the 95% pre-soap match rate.
 
I interviewed on 2/7 and this is currently only Md option. I think I want to go here, when should I be submitting a letter of intent. They emailed me a while back that I would hear back 7-9 weeks after my interview. It will be 7 weeks on Friday 3/28.
 
uwa112 said:
I interviewed on 2/7 and this is currently only Md option. I think I want to go here, when should I be submitting a letter of intent. They emailed me a while back that I would hear back 7-9 weeks after my interview. It will be 7 weeks on Friday 3/28.
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I would send it asap! The more time they have to consider all of your materials, the better!
 
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Did anyone else not receive an email with post-interview timeline? The only email I got after my interview was just the survey and nothing else... I know I'm being a bit paranoid but would love to know if others were the same. Thanks!
 
Curious2001 said:
Did anyone else not receive an email with post-interview timeline? The only email I got after my interview was just the survey and nothing else... I know I'm being a bit paranoid but would love to know if others were the same. Thanks!
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I didn’t receive an email directly I emailed them about the timeline of their response and then they have me the 7-9 weeks timeline. So you’re good.
 
Its looks good to me for people who want to match in to residency in California. They have a decent amount of people that matched to really competitive programs and specialties. Obviously this is not Harvard or Stanford so the match list Isn't going to look like that but I'm not seeing any huge red flags and they had a great match rate this year. Assuming they get there accreditation in June which its seems like they will I imagine it will be even better the next few years
 
lGhostl said:
Its looks good to me for people who want to match in to residency in California. They have a decent amount of people that matched to really competitive programs and specialties. Obviously this is not Harvard or Stanford so the match list Isn't going to look like that but I'm not seeing any huge red flags and they had a great match rate this year. Assuming they get there accreditation in June which its seems like they will I imagine it will be even better the next few years
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You are very correct.
 
GCU_Grey_Area said:
CNUCOM shared a PDF with more detail on the 2025 match results recently. Would anyone with experience comparing schools' match data be able to take a look and share their thoughts?

https://medicine.cnsu.edu/PDFs/2025_Match_Results.pdfIce
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GCU_Grey_Area said:
CNUCOM shared a PDF with more detail on the 2025 match results recently. Would anyone with experience comparing schools' match data be able to take a look and share their thoughts?

https://medicine.cnsu.edu/PDFs/2025_Match_Results.pdf
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Like I said before in this chat, if you get admitted into this med school (and esp if you do not have any other acceptances and esp since it is very difficult to get into med school), you would do well to accept the invitation to matriculate AND you will become a doctor and go to a good residency program. Good luck to you.
 
Interviewed in 2/7 just got put on the waitlist. Does anyone know what the movement off the waitlist is like here or is this just a soft R? Especially since the do not assign a specific number off of the waitlist
 
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They do assign a number, they just won’t say
 
does anyone know if they look at prereqs being completed before you are invited for an interview? I just got a II here today and I only took 2 quarters of math so I'm stressed since i might need to sign up for another math course before matriculation
 
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