Addressing PE

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fldoctorgirl said:
So what should c/o 2022 walk away from this with?? PE is canceled? Expect nothing in its place or something?
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I think they'll come up with something but I requested my refund. They won't even have a final announcement until July and I bet it'll be something through our schools and not nationally since that seems like it would take quite a bit of time to organize.
 
FutureDoctor5000 said:
lol wut, no, PE is cancelled indefinitely, its gone, the announcement is clear about this, the "alternative pathways" can be nothing more than passing your schools OSCE since a virtual PE would be useless, it clearly says that no one(CO 2021 or 2022 or beyond) will have to travel to an NBOME testing site in order to take comlex level 3..
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I think I will wait till the march announcement to cancel, just to be safe. The money is already spend a refund will come later rather than sooner. I also don't really need the money right now. Don't want to get screwed over with suddenly needing a date before match lists are finalized
 
ohmanwaddup said:
I think I will wait till the march announcement to cancel, just to be safe. The money is already spend a refund will come later rather than sooner. I also don't really need the money right now. Don't want to get screwed over with suddenly needing a date before match lists are finalized
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You’re test has already been cancelled for you and they will refund you your money automatically.
 
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ohmanwaddup said:
I think I will wait till the march announcement to cancel, just to be safe. The money is already spend a refund will come later rather than sooner. I also don't really need the money right now. Don't want to get screwed over with suddenly needing a date before match lists are finalized
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No thats dumb, read the first line of the announcement, the PE is canceled indefinitely.. why on earth would you want them to hold on to your $$?
 
FutureDoctor5000 said:
lol wut, no, PE is cancelled indefinitely, its gone, the announcement is clear about this, the "alternative pathways" can be nothing more than passing your schools OSCE since a virtual PE would be useless, it clearly says that no one(CO 2021 or 2022 or beyond) will have to travel to an NBOME testing site in order to take comlex level 3..
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Yes 100%. Guys remember that 1 month’s notice to come up with a “alternative pathway” is such a short time frame for a examination organization. Also the fact they are refunding us and that could take a while means they won’t spend millions engineering a virtual exam.

My prediction: the School will need to attest that you passed all the OSCEs or practice PE they made you do to sign up and be eligible for the PE in the first place. That is the only feasible way. And everyone should pass. Even the ones that failed the PE prior to the covid pandemic in the class of 2021 or 2020.
 
The NBME has integrity and cancelled CS without an issue. The NBOME raised days to weeks of heated resistance only to end up reluctantly cancelling PE. The NBOME, fuelled by COCA expansion, is too greedy and sociopathic to lose this much money that's only increasing with time. NBOME reimplementing PE would be evil but not unexpected.
 
Deecee2DO said:
For those of you still wondering despite the email...burn this in your brain: PE is CANCELLED lol you will be refunded the money. Its not too good to be true its reality.
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Yeah it's great news by far for the current class and hopefully it'll stay that way. NBOME is too evil and greedy for me to trust they won't bring PE back.

But hopefully if they do, they get sued and slammed severely
 
Lawpy said:
Yeah PE is likely going to come back in future all thanks to COCA expansion.
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Not for a while, I doubt it ever will
Deecee2DO said:
For those of you still wondering despite the email...burn this in your brain: PE is CANCELLED lol you will be refunded the money. Its not too good to be true its reality.
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Yea ppl are just scared about "alternative pathways" its nothing but a stupid game from the NBOME to play along the whole "public safety" thing to try to save face, there is no realistic way they can design a test in 1-2 months time for class of 2021, 2022 and even beyond.. Keep in mind that the vast majority of medical education has done away with a similar test(Step 2 CS), that only puts more presssure on NBOME to not restart the PE IMO..
 
hawthorn9797 said:
Whyyy though. We have already had OSCE after OSCE and we graduate in 80 ducking days. This is actually a loss for those of us planning on skipping it regardless and taking step 3. And what about if you fail the “alternate pathway”??? This literally can only hurt 4th years it can’t help, we will probably be doing whatever bull **** they decide to make us do right around match day.... what happens if we fail?
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yeahhhh this is why I'm not ready to pop bottles yet.
ohmanwaddup said:
Taking Bets on how long it’ll take to receive a refund. I bet it’ll be after I graduate next year
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well it took them about 4 weeks to mail me a check back when it wasn't a massive demand time (like nothing special happened). But that was because they had my money so long, the credit card I paid for it with no longer existed to refund it to, so they told me they had to send a paper check,
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Guys. This is absolutely a massive win.
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I'm still nervous, like hawthorn said above. It already crossed my mind that the "alternate pathway" could be just as annoying or worse, and possibly available even later.
AnatomyGrey12 said:
They themselves say they don’t know what this alternate pathway will be, and they won’t even announce it until March.

they are not designing a virtual PE exam in that timeframe lol. They will most likely have our schools certify us on those “skills.”
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I hope so.
 
Why is the NBOME creating an alternative pathway instead of owning it up like NBME by cancelling PE permanently with no alternatives offered?

See this is why i don't trust PE cancellation being permanent.
 
Class of 2022. I’m a bit confused. Will the 2022 people automatically get a refund or only if we cancel?
 
Lawpy said:
Why is the NBOME creating an alternative pathway instead of owning it up like NBME by cancelling PE permanently with no alternatives offered?

See this is why i don't trust PE cancellation being permanent.
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LOL because its trying to save face, what "alternative pathway" can it be? It will just be that individual schools must certify that their students passed the OSCE and have the necessary "skills" in order to not endanger patients.. I cant think of anything else, they wont be able to design a virtual PE in such a short time...
 
sunshinefl said:
I'm still nervous, like hawthorn said above. It already crossed my mind that the "alternate pathway" could be just as annoying or worse, and possibly available even later.
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No, they don’t have time. Remember they spent all their time on trying to make a physical PE happen. AND they are actively refunding money now. They are not designing some virtual PE we have to do. Remember in their FAQs they say people usually take Level 3 after 6 months of intern year. That gives them 10 months to design and implement something for 6000 DO residents, and have those 6000 DOs take whatever it is......

Uh yeah. That’s not happening.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
No, they don’t have time. Remember they spent all their time on trying to make a physical PE happen. AND they are actively refunding money now. They are not designing some virtual PE we have to do. Remember in their FAQs they say people usually take Level 3 after 6 months of intern year. That gives them 10 months to design and implement something for 6000 DO residents, and have those 6000 DOs take whatever it is......

Uh yeah. That’s not happening.
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They cant even realistically design it for CO 2022 since our announcement wont come till april, that leaves them with less than a year to test all of class of 2022 virtually..
 
FutureDoctor5000 said:
LOL because its trying to save face, what "alternative pathway" can it be? It will just be that individual schools must certify that their students passed the OSCE and have the necessary "skills" in order to not endanger patients.. I cant think of anything else, they wont be able to design a virtual PE in such a short time...
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I agree but NBOME is acting so shady and chaotic that it feels really uncomfortable. It's like depriving a psychopathic organization of thousands of dollars instantly and then watching the organization turning ruthless, vengeful and cruel. I know it's paranoia but still :bag::sorry:
 
msnbc2020 said:
ActionTime
Commission begins its phase 1 work- clinical skills assessmentWeek of February 22, 2021
Details on temporary alternate pathway (For classes of 2021 and earlier)Announced by March 11, 2021
Feedback period – organizationsFebruary 25, 2021 –March 12, 2021
Feedback period – individualsFebruary 25, 2021- March 12, 2021
Details on pathway options for Class of 2022 (Phase 1)Announced by April 30, 2021
Expanded Commission-phase 2 begins- COMLEX-USAMay 2021
Final Commission report releaseJuly 1, 2022
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What in the entire **** does this chart mean? Can anyone decipher any of this? It’s like they are planting bushes for the sole purpose of beating around them. Someone needs to put these people im prison for torturing us
 
I fully expect to get F***** by this alternative pathway somehow but holy sh** I am so happy to have been wrong in so many posts. Ah I just wish I could see the look on Gimpels face. Even the tone of this announcement is so different than the email he sent a week ago saying the PE is still on. They straight up lost.
 
12jas said:
I fully expect to get F***** by this alternative pathway somehow but holy sh** I am so happy to have been wrong in so many posts. Ah I just wish I could see the look on Gimpels face. Even the tone of this announcement is so different than the email he sent a week ago saying the PE is still on. They straight up lost.
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Notice his name isn’t anywhere on it.... unlike every other announcement before now...
 
"5. The Special Commission and its charge will be expanded to consider and identify new ways to evaluate fundamental competencies currently assessed in the Level 2-PE. This will include a full review of the COMLEX-USA program, to ensure it continues to provide a defensible pathway to osteopathic medical practice and licensure."

I.e. because right now we don't have a defensible pathway so we're going to make a "Special Commission" to help us come up with an alternative pathway that we can defend under any circumstances, pandemic and CS cancellation be damned
 
"If you are in the Class of 2022, you can cancel a scheduled date, but if you would like to preserve your date, please hold off until after April 30 as we will provide more information on what your options will be to demonstrate your fundamental competencies moving forward."

So uh...they're not canceling 22??
 
fldoctorgirl said:
"If you are in the Class of 2022, you can cancel a scheduled date, but if you would like to preserve your date, please hold off until after April 30 as we will provide more information on what your options will be to demonstrate your fundamental competencies moving forward."

So uh...they're not canceling 22??
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I have serious doubts that they will have a concrete plan for us by then.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
"demonstrate your fundamental competencies" like I'm not busting my butt carrying 5+ patients a day demonstrating my competency
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"Psh that's weak. The only way we can truly determine your competency and ensure you aren't a threat to the public is by seeing 12 fake patients and maybe giving some of them a massage when you may or may not already be real doctor taking time off from seeing real patients." - The NBOME
 
They've bought into the sunk fallacy. They poured so much money into making this work, they're gonna (wait for it) pour more money into this black hole. Trying to save an antiquated bull**** exam just to come to the same conclusion they would have if they had just a modicum of sense as the NBME. I don't see this as a win and just affirms that the days of the NBOME are numbered. Don't become complacent.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
Why can't they just be transparent about something for once. Just say it's cancelled. And done. It doesn't need to be a 6 month process.
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They can’t be transparent about something they don’t even know themselves. They are literally flying my the seat of their pants here.

They are trying to walk a very thin line here as an organization, and they know it.
 
TXKnight said:
There is no other way --> Alternative Pathway = school administered OSCEs = physical examination/osteopathic skills requirement met
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Yeah....I wonder if the COMs will like it better this way. Instead of student money going to NBOME, the schools can invent a more intensive clinical skills course and charge tuition for it, just like they do for OMM. They're being handed a great excuse to charge more tuition to their students (most of whom will borrow the money from the government).
 
Carefull here. The schools get to charge a fee to admin the exam and NBOME charge for what ever exam they come up with as the Alternate Pathway Exam. A win-win situation they call it.
 
Oligodinero said:
Yeah....I wonder if the COMs will like it better this way. Instead of student money going to NBOME, the schools can invent a more intensive clinical skills course and charge tuition for it, just like they do for OMM. They're being handed a great excuse to charge more tuition to their students (most of whom will borrow the money from the government).
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Maybe. Perhaps NBOME will "train" the "official" OSCE patients or may provide schools with their grading rubrics and stuff to "standardize" the test. I feel they could $charge$ for decentralizing the PE and let schools deal with the administration of it under their guidance/methods or whatever. Dunno but I'm glad it's gone :clap:
 
MDMechEngr said:
Carefull here. The schools get to charge a fee to admin the exam and NBOME charge for what ever exam they come up with as the Alternate Pathway Exam. A win-win situation they call it.
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I just don’t see how they are going to get class of ‘21 to come back after graduation and take a stupid osce?
 
Congrats to all the DO kids out there! I'm very happy for all of you.

Now, the NBOME needs to the do the right thing and refund all the 2021 and 2022 kids that have donated their $1.3K to this sham test. That's enough cheese for 1st year of residency lunch money.

No, Joe Biden $1.4K check is a different story.
 
msnbc2020 said:
ActionTime
Commission begins its phase 1 work- clinical skills assessmentWeek of February 22, 2021
Details on temporary alternate pathway (For classes of 2021 and earlier)Announced by March 11, 2021
Feedback period – organizationsFebruary 25, 2021 –March 12, 2021
Feedback period – individualsFebruary 25, 2021- March 12, 2021
Details on pathway options for Class of 2022 (Phase 1)Announced by April 30, 2021
Expanded Commission-phase 2 begins- COMLEX-USAMay 2021
Final Commission report releaseJuly 1, 2022
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Was today a good day for you jkdoctor?
 
I am happy for the fourth year students, but what the heck does it mean that the test is postponed indefinitely.

Just cancel the exam permanently. if the NBOME really wants money and ensure public safety, then just make a 200$, two-week long certifying course for fourth years to take two weeks prior to graduation at their respective school or just cancel it permantely (this would be much better choice)
 
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