Haha this guy is a first year at my school. I'm wondering what egregious actions caused the NBOME to block him LMAO. This is crazy?
This is precisely the attitude that leads to no change. Never accept that reality, even if it comes to pass.
I think our class won’t have to take it. There is zero chance that they have the bandwidth to accommodate an entire class to catch up, and you can’t pull all residents for some BS test and end up failing some. Residencies will be livid. It just isn’t feasible
what's funniest to me is that I wouldn't mind *that* much except as time goes on my un-used OMM gets rustier and rustier. I would fear passing because of the OMM only at this point.
My prediction:
yeah when are ROL due? 2/29? prob will get an announcement 3/1
Sorry but everyone here is way too optimistic and giving the NBOME too much credit. These are the scumbags who canceled November testing dates in October of the Pandemic. Let that sink in. They fully intended for us to travel peak covid times to take their test. They don't give a sh** what residencies say. My predictions are they will continue with testing starting in April at three locations the new Fresno site in addition to the other two. No way they drop PE as a requirement for level 3 either. Gimpel is the incompetent *** who created this test and he is still CEO.
I just don’t see them being able to stand up to public pressure again. COVID is not even remotely close to being under control, and can you imagine the blowback if they fail residents who have been seeing patients independently for 6 months? For some stupid test doctors used to not even have to take?
www.listennotes.com
Wow. This is possibly the worst rationalization he could have provided. Just gross.Episode 28: John Gimpel D.O. President and CEO of the NBOME
00:59:51 - Send us a text In today's episode, we welcome Dr. John Gimpel. Dr. Gimpel is the president and CEO of the National Board of Osteopathic Medical…
listen around 44:15 mark. part of his rationale for having PGY-1s take the PE, and use vacation/time off to do so, is because we no longer "live" in the hospital as residents in generations prior did. that because we have "time off" during training, that we should be using it to take the PE. he also makes several mentions of 'misinformation' (i.e. bryan carmody). he has suuuuuch thin skin and obviously pores over the twitter comments. keep the pressure on.
I'm pretty certain he reads this thread based on his wording in some things. It isn't a coincidence when it has happened several times.Episode 28: John Gimpel D.O. President and CEO of the NBOME
00:59:51 - Send us a text In today's episode, we welcome Dr. John Gimpel. Dr. Gimpel is the president and CEO of the National Board of Osteopathic Medical…
listen around 44:15 mark. part of his rationale for having PGY-1s take the PE, and use vacation/time off to do so, is because we no longer "live" in the hospital as residents in generations prior did. that because we have "time off" during training, that we should be using it to take the PE. he also makes several mentions of 'misinformation' (i.e. bryan carmody). he has suuuuuch thin skin and obviously pores over the twitter comments. keep the pressure on.
Well, since PE doesn’t have availability and takes 3 months to get back, yes changing it as a requirement for Level 3 would make a huge difference to me. Even if I still have to take it eventually. Just having the flexibility of taking them in a different order would be life changing.
I would love for you to be correct but the unfortunate truth is the public doesn't care about us. Our very own medical community/schools barely lifted a finger for us the first go around fighting the NBOME and failing the PE wouldn't stop a resident from seeing patients it would only mean they would need to retake it and pass rates second go are very high. The NBOME has already proven they don't care what people think about them so long as they are getting paid. They already know students hate them and unfortunately the people in high positions of our other organizations (like the AOA) are in on the action at the NBOME. COCA, AOA, NBOME they are all the same people pimping us out for their own gain.
Some states would, unfortunately, the PE component is directly mentioned in their licensing laws. While for others they only mention "completion of the comlex series" whatever that means.
That doesn't matter. State's that state they require CS have already made exceptions for MD's that pass Step 3 but don't take CS. It will be the same for DO's. If the NBOME waives the PE requirement the states will no longer require it for licensure.
It would depend on the state, and even then it’s not crystal clear.
Exactly. I’m in Florida and this is what it says for full licensure requirements:
If you knew how the wording of state licensure worked you likely wouldn't be asking this question. It's been discussed on here for many, many years. PE was backdoored into requirements by making it a requirement to sit for level 3 precisely because state licensing boards generally have language that doesn't necessitate PE or CS... The language of essentially all states besides PA never actually say anything about a clinical skills exam explicitly. The same reason PE was so easily added by indirectly requiring it without expliciting changing state licensing board language for all these states is the exact same reason the exam could be disregarded just as easily.
i wonder if they are making any attempts to get the SPs vaccinated. or tracking vaccination status of examinees. for an exam that touts itself as being so safe, they sure do have a lot of loop holes.Episode 28: John Gimpel D.O. President and CEO of the NBOME
00:59:51 - Send us a text In today's episode, we welcome Dr. John Gimpel. Dr. Gimpel is the president and CEO of the National Board of Osteopathic Medical…
listen around 44:15 mark. part of his rationale for having PGY-1s take the PE, and use vacation/time off to do so, is because we no longer "live" in the hospital as residents in generations prior did. that because we have "time off" during training, that we should be using it to take the PE. he also makes several mentions of 'misinformation' (i.e. bryan carmody). he has suuuuuch thin skin and obviously pores over the twitter comments. keep the pressure on.
Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3. If PE is waived for our class by the NBOME then all you need is Level 2 CE to pass Level 2.....
Hell "substantially similar examination approved by the board" is the part that gets me every time we talk about this. It's like they are soooo close to getting it and yet so far away lol. Usmle will suffice. Thanks.
Yeah can we stop pretending that we need an exam with some random OMM findings thrown into the question stems that are irrelevant to the question is required to test DOs?
Well this is what comes after that part:
I'm unfortunately aware. Scientific progress requires funerals. I think Planck said that and some people are going to get offended by me saying it but I really don't GAF.
I literally already posted the licensing requirements from my state.
I've been following and contributing to this thread from the beginning, and I'm asking the question because I haven't received a satisfactory answer to it thus far. I understand how PE came about, and how it was back-doored (as merely a part II, so to speak). My understanding that this recent thread chatter has been focused on eligibility to sit for Level 3 and completing the USMLE series as opposed to COMLEX. My question is apart from those two.
I re-read your post and am now even more confused by the question you are asking as someone "following from the beginning" frankly.
Read the actual laws. Your question has been answered multiple times. PE is only explicitly mentioned by a few states, and this exact situation has been circumvented with CS.
I asked the PC at the programs I interviewed with if I was eligible for rank given I never had the chance to take it. Everyone said yes. Only 1 said “only for class of 2021” which I guess would effect prior grad FMGs who hadn’t taken CS yet. That was the extent of my worry.
Licensing boards have the final say in some states, and that's where it gets dicey
Yes, but like I said those states have already made exceptions for MDs and CS. The FSMB was very clear when CS was suspended they were working with those states to create an exception. Those same licensing boards are not going to turn around and force people in class of 2021 to take PE if the NBOME waives it as a requirement.
A lot of states have separate osteopathic boards
14 states have osteopathic boards. 7 require passage of the COMLEX series. The FSMB is the organization that works with all of them, and the FSMB said it wouldn't be an issue for MDs, so why would it be an issue for DOs? In case you haven't noticed these DO organizations are all essentially extensions of each other. If the NBOME waives a requirement the DO board is not going to start forcing people to take PE.
