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Now you're just being disingenuous. I literally said in the post you quoted that I took the time to go back and look at his earlier posts to get a better feeling for a person that I am just forming an opinion on.
The one I also think is a villager?
seems like a conveniently retaliatory time for you to ISO me.
I've been walking my dog. Hold your horses, I'll explain why I feel that if you're not a wolf, you're doing their work for them.
I'm not understanding. You grilled Mel for two pages and then suddenly put him in your village reads and I don't understand how you go from point A to point B so quickly. That's why I think it's so weird.
am I one of these? Why are you village reading me?
Just a feel, similar to the feel I got in that one game where everyone yeeted you and I was reading you village
Can we hit the play button and go back to village reading him?
My meta is: here for the shiggles.
I'm behind True on this. I think you really are picking fights. And other than you cornering samac over her joke-yeet yesterday, I don't see how you've helped us wolfhunt.
it's not picking fights to point out that I feel some of True's posts are wolfy.
not yet
Then what about samac?
what about samac?
You yeeted her yesterday. Are you still after her?
Can you talk to me about your fluff read? I go back and forth on this.
I'm not following this "Sporty is picking fights" to this thing about samac, but answer to your question is not yet.
oh jk that was easy to find. It was this post.
I honestly have had a really hard time holding everyone in my head hence why I’ve stuck with basically one wolf read of my own. I remember being suspicious of April, but I don’t know that I could easily dig up the posts that Threw me as off. I think the posts similarly appeared like an attempt to softly, indirectly steer the conversation toward their position without owning their take in a way that seemed Wolfe to me. But again I don’t feel that tone reading seems as substantial as the basic thing that if DubZ put out a list of suspects those suspects are going to be the most suspicious to me after DubZ is murdered. I realize that the wolfs might be working 2 steps ahead on this logic but I think if I was a wolf and it seemed like someone was on to me, I would figure that I could get them and just explain away that “oh the wolves wouldn’t want to paint a target on their back” and have 1 less person that I knew was suspicious of me. so that is my thought process.
Thank you for pointing out that you hedge a lot?
Do you think this list has changes @puppydogtor ? Curious to see how much more info you've sifted through.
that's not hedging?
if you want real hedging, I'll admit that now I'm reading all of her posts with wolfy undertone because of the suggestion lol
oh boy howdy look at what I found now.
I went through your posts today. Let's not call it "picking fights" Throughout D1, you mainly focused on samac over a joke yeet-unyeet, then on blue, you said that she isn't the same as the noob game. Then today you argued with AM about how early the wolves killed Dubz on another game, and now you re opting to yeet True, who's literally been on everyone's village list over what? Something he said about AM in the beginning of the game? Or him changing opinions about Mel? I changed opinion about Mel too, by understanding that that's the way Mel interacts on these games and by following his logic. I don't follow yours.
I can see where the sus came from D1 with everything that's already been pointed out. That being said, I was also a super jokey fluff-posting mistake-making noob in my first handful of village games and definitely got called out for it more than once when I started playing with the vets. I see the villagey-noob-ness from my own play in her play. To add to that, I think (this could be one of my brain fart moments though) that a noob or two has spoken up and said this isn't very different from her village play in the noob game and the vets have a bit more of a problem with her play, making it feel more like just a village noob thing that doesn't sit well with the vets.
And that's not picking fights. That's playing the game.
okay this post sounds more villagey
Ok. That makes sense and I can leave that to a "agree to disagree." I'd call it wolfy if you were just focusing on noob players but you've challenged samac and AM too, so it's definitely not that. I just don't see what you see in the players I mentioned.
I'd post that if I were a wolf. I'd love ****ing with people as a wolf. Pretty sure our noob wolves posted like that as wolves lol
anything can be WIFOM if you squint hard enough at it.
I just wouldn't point to that as his "meh sounds villagey" comment. There's no art to making bland "what are the wolves thinking" statements. It seems like an easy way to back out of tunnelling True when other vets kinda shrugged at the tunnel
I hate this post. TIES ARE SO BAD!!!
I'm literally still confused how Kal and Stoat ended up tied for the lead when neither of them were anywhere close to being yeeted when I left the thread 1.5 hours before close.
90 minutes is a long time in most scenarios.
I just don't get why all of their votes came seemingly out of the blue, and imo not for any super great reasons. Like I'm just not seeing why either of them deserved to be yeeted? Even after reading that part of the thread
Then perhaps you should consider that’s not why I’m saying it.
Mm. Maybe. Your reasoning hasn't struck me as the most balanced this game and I'd like to understand where you're trying to go with it. You're not on my list of woofies but the play style has taken you off my villager list too. It doesn't seem to be notable to any of the vets though, besides a couple of them dismissing your case against True (which I also find a very difficult one to believe)
Then we get this one, which kind of starts it. A bit brusque, no reasoning, just rejection. I acknowledge that my initial read of AM doesn't align with the way y'all tend to play, but the approach here feels like it's asking for contention.
Again, not a huge ping, just... contentious, in an unnecessary way.
Okay, here's where it starts to feel weird to me. And again, let me acknowledge that my cavalier "AM is 85-90% village" statement was overly bold (but also got the conversation started, so mission accomplished). (Also AM is village, standing by it)
Very next comment, casting doubt on a different person's ability to make an early read (Dubz, in this case). This time, it's not a wet-behind-the-ears noob, it's people who have played together and know each other. She's not being blatant about it, but still chiming in to tell people to cool their jets on early reads and slow the process down.
She says there's a difference, but still casts doubt on both things.
Speculation on three people (all who various people pong as wolfy at the time), but her own reasons for painting them with the brush are extremely vague. "Low hanging fruit something or other?" Blue's hardly the only person to question Octo's strange posting behavior.
And this begins a push on samac. Not sure how I feel about her, personally, but the vigor with which she go after her seems very strange for someone who's spent most of the game so far emphasizing how uncertain Day 1 reads are.
I'm not the only one who notices this.
Big reach on Blue here; obviously someone's play is going to feel different when you don't have full behind-the-scenes information on the game. And the weird thing is, Pony is obviously smart and knows that. So... why? In my opinion, it's because at this point Blue has become an easy/safe villager to target.
A pretty wild statement given how much doubt she threw on people making assumptions from a relatively small number of statements at the beginning of the game.
Back on the samac train with, again, an accusation with no meat behind it.
Now we get to today. Me this time, and it's again a quick and relatively strong-worded accusation with very little heft behind it.
Clouding/obfuscating someone's fairly well laid-out reasoning like this feels bad.
And again, oddly heavy with the wolf-colored paint.
And here we go! What kicked off this little back and forth today... was Ponies casting shade over someone's opinion developing, in a game about developing your opinions on people (and in which a truly massive amount of background material exists for some of the players).
So then we get this- vague message, direct pushback on me, another vague message. When read in real time, felt pretty obvious who you were discussing (since most people have correctly read me as a clumsy newby villager, and said as much). Feels quite obvious that I'm the new target (lucky for samac and blue and Mel and Vis and YK, I suppose).
And here's the true weirdness; I say I'm going to look over your posts, and immediately the bristles come out. And we have the words-in-mouth thing that we saw with AM way earlier; I never said a thing about questions or asking questions. It came out of thin air, presumably to make me seem irrational? A very strange decision either way, since everyone can just read our posts.
If grilling someone can't change our opinions on them, what the heck is the point of any of this? Very strange thing to say, feels like you don't like the attention and have gone into full deflection mode.
Continuing the deflection mode, we now move into deescalation. If we were to assume wolf!Sport, this is meant to bring an end to the discussion and send attention to other people before folks who know her better and are better at the game start to get curious.
If this is genuine, I'm sorry. If not, it's clean manipulation that makes the reader feel bad for you, take your posts in a different light, and make you feel better so you want to stay in the community. I wouldn't accuse someone of emotional manipulation like that normally, but we're playing a game where ~20% of the players are supposed to do exactly that.
And here, the final deescalation. You throw me a bone! Thank you for that. It's also what wolf!Ponies would do to tie a bow on a slightly elevated situation, especially since I hadn't posted this pile of a post yet.
Was this game HZD or a different game?? I don't remember if Mel was a wolf or if he found the wolvesWhy do you act like me finding a wolf D1 is surprising? I'd wager I have a higher ratio than most on that account. You played a game where I'd found both wolves D1 and D2 and no one would listen to me, and wanted to vote me out instead.
I get zero credit around here.
I think this is a pretty solid reads list, and it seems in line with something village!zenge would make.
This is a very interesting tinfoil, so I'm giving you credit for that. It almost seems too specific for you to not have knowledge that this role actually exists in the game? Maybe its just creativity but I was surprised you suggested this out of the blue.
I'm not sure what you mean? The wolfpack could or could not have a seer. The wolves can't usually do actions in the same night that are contingent upon each other. For example, they can't say "seer alley and kill her only if she has a PR." They would probably pick a target for the factional kill and a target for their seering ability. They are not related and you cannot make any assumptions about what roles the wolves have right now.
Quoting this to see if she actually answered the question. So far, not yet.
That's just how Lawpy plays the game. He's already defended himself and explained, but he is well-known for asking questions like that and having a TON of short posts and questions. I do not see anything outside of his village meta rn, but I know I have yet to see wolf!lawpy.
I still don't think wolves would do something that obvious. Just because Vis was Dubz's top wolf read means she immediately ordered the kill because of Dubz being suspicious of her. It is definitely WIFOM but IMO only the noobiest of wolves would do that with no other reasoning behind it. Hence why NK analysis is unfortunately not that helpful 95% of the time.
That makes sense, since a lot of "wolfishness" is just people being stilted, trying too hard, or sounding forced- which are also all things that you'll see from people new to a community.
