BOWWLING TOURNAMENT GAME THREAD

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Yes. I saw it as an attempt to disturb future assimilation of the village bloc. We talked about fluffy a lot D1 and most decided she was not wolfy. Deciding things were w/v with violet seemed irrationally large for the couple of people that were unsure about her.
Also why was it decided that fluff and VV are v/w? I'm starting to see even more evidence that its a VV/Fluff pack based on how today played out. It actually makes me even feel slightly better about Sporty.
 
Why though? I get why Ivy was suspicious, I agree with that. I’ve struggled with Fluff this game, so I agree with that part of Alley’s post too.

I was pretty neutral on Violet but the role reveal seemed believable enough and the frustration read as genuine to me.

What about it is bugging you?
Zenge already said basically all of my thoughts, but I have explained my wolf reads on those three plays a couple of times today. There were other people jumping off of the violet vote who had not been as vocally sussing her as I have been. I literally said earlier today that the 3 of them were my wolfiest reads.
 
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Also why was it decided that fluff and VV are v/w? I'm starting to see even more evidence that its a VV/Fluff pack based on how today played out. It actually makes me even feel slightly better about Sporty.
It just doesn't make sense to me. It think it's w/v at best, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was v/v.
 
Yes. I saw it as an attempt to disturb future assimilation of the village bloc. We talked about fluffy a lot D1 and most decided she was not wolfy. Deciding things were w/v with violet seemed irrationally large for the couple of people that were unsure about her.
I think you’re misconstruing what happened. I am not the only person who voiced sus of fluff on D1. Several people had her as wolfy and neutral after my ISO on her. I didn’t convince everyone that she was a wolf, but a lot of people interacted with my post and explanation. Off of the top of my head, Zenge, VMH, puppy, and I think even sporty had made comments about her seeming wolfy. It did not come out of the blue and “most” did not decide she was villagey
 
? wolves can defend themselves hard too though?
Of course. I just felt bad to add up to the votes pile today. Especially since the wagon started around her joking about the tie thing on D1 and people bringing up that Ivy also said she was "tempted" and then attempted to create a 3 way tie. I joked too, so I understand the frustration of being yeeted over a joke. I share April's sentiment on that so I didn't want to yeet her. I still don't like that her defense included a LOT of finger pointing. But she's not my highest concern atm. I'm more concerned about the people that went after me.
 
I think you’re misconstruing what happened. I am not the only person who voiced sus of fluff on D1. Several people had her as wolfy and neutral after my ISO on her. I didn’t convince everyone that she was a wolf, but a lot of people interacted with my post and explanation. Off of the top of my head, Zenge, VMH, puppy, and I think even sporty had made comments about her seeming wolfy. It did not come out of the blue and “most” did not decide she was villagey
Well, I don't really trust meats or Sporty. Still think you're chasing a misyeet.
 
Of course. I just felt bad to add up to the votes pile today. Especially since the wagon started around her joking about the tie thing on D1 and people bringing up that Ivy also said she was "tempted" and then attempted to create a 3 way tie. I joked too, so I understand the frustration of being yeeted over a joke. I share April's sentiment on that so I didn't want to yeet her. I still don't like that her defense included a LOT of finger pointing. But she's not my highest concern atm. I'm more concerned about the people that went after me.
Who in particular are you most concerned about?
 
I think you’re misconstruing what happened. I am not the only person who voiced sus of fluff on D1. Several people had her as wolfy and neutral after my ISO on her. I didn’t convince everyone that she was a wolf, but a lot of people interacted with my post and explanation. Off of the top of my head, Zenge, VMH, puppy, and I think even sporty had made comments about her seeming wolfy. It did not come out of the blue and “most” did not decide she was villagey
I knew that, but what surprised me was how far high I was on some others' wolf reads. Honestly I wasn;t surprised by you or Zenge, but by puppy and ptshelty
 
I think you’re misconstruing what happened. I am not the only person who voiced sus of fluff on D1. Several people had her as wolfy and neutral after my ISO on her. I didn’t convince everyone that she was a wolf, but a lot of people interacted with my post and explanation. Off of the top of my head, Zenge, VMH, puppy, and I think even sporty had made comments about her seeming wolfy. It did not come out of the blue and “most” did not decide she was villagey
Hmm, let me think about this more.
 
What? Why?
This is the perfect environment to force a violet/fluff/Ivy misyeet trifecta. Probably more if the mod kills didn't happen when they did.

I don't care about violet's claim, I just feel like others have been worse. I can come back to her if she's compatible with the flipped wolves, but I'm not seeing it right now.

I'd still understand a violet yeet more than a fluff yeet, but neither are my top priority.
 
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I think you’re misconstruing what happened. I am not the only person who voiced sus of fluff on D1. Several people had her as wolfy and neutral after my ISO on her. I didn’t convince everyone that she was a wolf, but a lot of people interacted with my post and explanation. Off of the top of my head, Zenge, VMH, puppy, and I think even sporty had made comments about her seeming wolfy. It did not come out of the blue and “most” did not decide she was villagey
okay see, this is why I'm feeling out of sync with AM because I'm reading the thread more than usual and it seems like she isn't tracking threadstate well.
Do you feel like this "misconstruing" is a possible interpretation or do you think its too far removed from what actually is going on that is wolfy?
 
@Animal Midwife has vmh bussed before?
This is a pretty old quote, but from what she’s said in PMs so far (which is admittedly not a lot), VMH hasn’t seemed wolfy to me at all. Maybe it’s an attempt pocketing but it doesn’t really feel like that. Knowing that she’s bussed before does help my knowledge base, but I’m not reading her as wolfy.
Hm, I’m glad alley pointed that post from fluff out, though. I missed the implications of it earlier. Considering fluff had a PR in the noob game and most of our discussion was about interpreting night action results, she knows that results from night actions are not received immediately.
This is still kind of sketching me out. I remember feeling like fluff’s response to this was underwhelming as well.
Haha oh nope in the BOWWLing world - def a form of blocking
I think it could also be a form of jailing? Bread had a jailing ability in the cartoons noob game. It could also be wolfy or village, Finn was a wolf jailer in England.
Okay but why the octopus vote, off wagon, in such a close race?
Still think that vote was very odd
I gave everyone a 30 minute heads up on my vanillager status. That doesn't explain the amount of waffles happening in the last 5 minutes.

I role revealed early to AVOID that.
I would have preferred closer to an hour for the reveal just as an FYI. When I checked back into the thread after unloading my car, I had like 20 mins to catchup on the flurry of posts and also read and decide if I should trust your reveal. You were fortunate that we didn’t yeet you, but revealing a bit earlier could have prevented the huge influx of waffles
 
This is the perfect environment to force a violet/fluff/Ivy misyeet trifecta. Probably more if the mod kills didn't happen when they did.

I don't care about violet's claim, I just feel like others have been worse. I can come back to her if she's compatible with the flipped wolves, but I'm not seeing it right now.

I'd still understand a violet yeet more than a fluff yeet, but neither are my top priority.
Who is your top priority?
 
Here is my ordered reads list:

Village

True
Pshelty
Samac
Zenge
Lawpy
Mel
AM
VMH
O2
Puppy
Stoat
Kal
~POE starts here~
April
Vis
Zuri
Sporty
Doc ock
Ivy
Violet
Fluff

Wolf

Not a lot has changed since last night, but I wanted to put it in an ordered list instead of categories. Out of Ivy, Violet, & Fluff, I feel confident that one of them is a wolf, if not 2 or 3 of them. They’re ordered on my list because I think fluff is the wolfiest of the three and Ivy is the least wolfy out of that trio, but still wolfier than a lot of other players. Does that make sense?

Edit: I am dumb and forgot two people on my list.

I feel pretty good about pshelty and true. Samac is that high because of the way she approached me and questioned my absence. It seems more in line with how she approaches the game as a villager. Plus I like her reasoning and questioning of other players. Maybe I’m letting my personal bias get in the way because I like her as a person, but she feels pretty villagey wholesome right now.

Nothing has changed my opinion on fluff since my ISO the other day. Her posts since then have not given me a warm feeling. I cannot chalk it all up to just being a noob. Sure some of it could be chalked up to noobness, but I think it’s mainly wolfy with a side of noob.

I’m trying to give all of the noobs some slack, but they just seem so wolfy to me and it’s hard to figure out which ones are actually noobs and which ones are wolfy but also noobs.

This post makes me feel a lot better about Puppy, and her thought process seems genuinely village to me.

idk why I quoted this, but I think I liked Puppy's answer.

I don't get your point about how fluff reading you determines how other people read you? Idk I am really not a fan of how concerned you are with how many noobs are reading you as wolf. I feel like you're not seen as anywhere near as wolfy as you're claiming you are. I know you were up for yeet on D1, but you're acting like a large chunk of the roster is wolfreading you and that's not the case.


I don't like it at all. Seems like a very wolfy defense, promising to give us more info later as long as we let her stick around. I completely understand catching up, but the semi-bargaining like that just seems quite wolfy to me.

I already laid out my explanations in my previous posts today. You and fluff are the two people I have as my wolfiest reads. Hardly anyone agrees with me on fluff, but a lot of people have picked up on the same sus stuff you’ve said that bothered me too.
Putting alleys to neutrals. At least her vote and stance on fluffy is long established and explained.
 
I guess Vis, alley, sporty... Among noob players, puppy and pshelty. It really took me by surprise that they voted for me. For meats I'm only concerned about how much they agree with alley. I'll need to ISO them though to form a clear opinion.
Fluffy... you basically listed all of the people on your yeet except you included Vis instead of Zenge. Even if you’re a villager, the entire Wolfpack is not going to be voting for you all at once.
 
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okay see, this is why I'm feeling out of sync with AM because I'm reading the thread more than usual and it seems like she isn't tracking threadstate well.
Do you feel like this "misconstruing" is a possible interpretation or do you think its too far removed from what actually is going on that is wolfy?
It’s bordering on wolfy for me. And now I’m concerned because I thought AM was playing pro-village before the last few posts. But the disconnect over fluffy has really keyed me in to the fact that there’s some serious disagreement on how she’s viewing the game vs my viewpoint. I don’t think that “most” people decided on D1 that fluffy was a villager. If that was the case, then her yeet wagon today would not have grown that fast, even considering if there’s a wolf in that group. AM has really been pushing that she strongly believes fluff is a villager and has been outright denying that there’s a world where fluffy is a wolf
 
There are not 1 to 2 wolves. I'm aiming to contain the entire pack.
AM. You only get 1 vote. You can’t place a vote on your entire POE. I was hoping you would share who the wolfiest person in your POE is, or something like that. But it’s fine, I’ll just take that bigger list of people and accept that as your answer.
 
It’s bordering on wolfy for me. And now I’m concerned because I thought AM was playing pro-village before the last few posts. But the disconnect over fluffy has really keyed me in to the fact that there’s some serious disagreement on how she’s viewing the game vs my viewpoint. I don’t think that “most” people decided on D1 that fluffy was a villager. If that was the case, then her yeet wagon today would not have grown that fast, even considering if there’s a wolf in that group. AM has really been pushing that she strongly believes fluff is a villager and has been outright denying that there’s a world where fluffy is a wolf
I must mull. Late night is not good for my paranoia brain.
I'm not immune to the idea that you're pocketing me. I've followed your thoughts pretty well early game but I'll see if that changes when I take a look tomorrow.
 
I would have preferred closer to an hour for the reveal just as an FYI. When I checked back into the thread after unloading my car, I had like 20 mins to catchup on the flurry of posts and also read and decide if I should trust your reveal. You were fortunate that we didn’t yeet you, but revealing a bit earlier could have prevented the huge influx of waffles
Yeah, I was planning to but two Ivy votes came after the other right on the hour so I decided to hold tight to see what would happen. I was hoping that I could avoid role revealing to wolves as a vanillager but nothing came out of those votes until only the last minute sadly.
 
why did their votes surprise you? is there anything else that you've noticed about them this game?
No. I went into this game with every good intention to trust people, and then move them slowly towards wolfier as time goes by. This is why I've been so eager to trust stoat and true. I know both puppy and pshelty have called me wolfy, even though I've thoroughly agreed with their logic and posts, and even said that I trust them, and that they are on my village bloc. I knew they were feeling on edge about me, but I was surprised that I was the immediate yeet after violet role revealed.
 
Yeah, I was planning to but two Ivy votes came after the other right on the hour so I decided to hold tight to see what would happen. I was hoping that I could avoid role revealing to wolves as a vanillager but nothing came out of those votes until only the last minute sadly.
I hope someone has said this already and I just missed it. For all the new players: some mods will give cover roles to wolves.
 
FINAL Frame 1 Official Voting Tally

Dubbie () -
AM () -
True () -
Mel (1) - Zenge
Bluey (4) - Lawpy, Dubz, samac, kal
genny (1) - AM
Zuriburi () -
Samac (1) - Sporty
Puppy (1) - violet
Octopus (-) -
Fluff (2) - alley, puppy
Violet (1) - April
Lawpy (1) - Oxygen
Ivy (1) - genny
Vis (3)- zuri, True, Blue
April (2) - Meats, Mel
Zenge () -
kal (4) - shelty, fluff, Vis, octopus

TIED: @youngkal and @bluestoat

22/23, a single vote was missing
@IvyMoose

DAY CLOSED!


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Frame 2 Official *FINAL* Voting Tally (as of post 2324- when I closed vote)

Vis (1) - Octo
Meats (1) - AM
Violet (1) - Lawpy
OctoDoc (1) - blue
zuri () -
Sporty (2) - Mel, True
Oxygen ()
Ivy (7) - April, ykal, violet, jfluff, Vis, zuri, vmh
Fluff (5) - Sporty, Zenge, potentialshelter, alley, puppydr
April ()

Leading: *freeshrugs*

Ineligible: samac

18/20
missing:
@IvyMoose @WorthlessOxygen

Day close:10PM EST/9PM CST/7PM FANTASYLAND

My immediate POE is very broad still.

It contains meats, April, Sporty, Octo, alley, yk, stoat, Vis, and Mel.

It helps that some names are incompatible with each other though.
Posting these here for my reference. AM voted for meats today and genny yesterday. Both were off the major wagons, and now we know that genny was village. Just something interesting
 
No. I went into this game with every good intention to trust people, and then move them slowly towards wolfier as time goes by. This is why I've been so eager to trust stoat and true. I know both puppy and pshelty have called me wolfy, even though I've thoroughly agreed with their logic and posts, and even said that I trust them, and that they are on my village bloc. I knew they were feeling on edge about me, but I was surprised that I was the immediate yeet after violet role revealed.
I noted zuri isn't on this list of people you innately wanted to trust, I guess we've uncovered some subconscious trust issues? :laugh:
 
Posting these here for my reference. AM voted for meats today and genny yesterday. Both were off the major wagons, and now we know that genny was village. Just something interesting
It's interesting that I didn't vote for people I wasn't wolf reading?

Why are you posting like zuri now?
 
I hope someone has said this already and I just missed it. For all the new players: some mods will give cover roles to wolves.
Forgot about that. This is yet another reason why I thought it was weird everyone backed off my reveal. A wolf could easily fake it.
 
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It's interesting that I didn't vote for people I wasn't wolf reading?

Why are you posting like zuri now?
That’s not what I found interesting in those posts.

What do you mean I’m posting like Zuri?

You wouldn’t tell me the wolfiest person/people in your POE, so I went to find the entire list and the tally to see who you voted for so I could potentially extrapolate from there. That appears to be VMH, but 🤷🏻‍♀️