BOWWLING TOURNAMENT GAME THREAD

[bluestoat]

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Alley and VMH are in my POE, apparently I did give out too much village credit too easily at the start of the game. They both feel so pockety. The rest of my POE I will rebuild

I don't think it Visc fauxjo'd. People before me caught it and it changed. I was slow typing out the rest of my message to fluff and responding to the rojo so it saved the original post. Visc changed it too fast for it to be a Fauxjo. Setting it aside for now as WIFOM.

I'm Bumpers, a villager that can protect someone from being voted off during the day. I protected @youngkal D1 so she couldn't be voted D2 because I owe her for when she protected all the wolves after genny and I told her to in PM 😆
Night 2 I protected True because I didn't want to protect a wolf. I can only self-protect once, so I chose someone being widely village read.
I am going to self-protect tonight, you won't be able to vote me tomorrow. I'm telling you ahead of time, so you won't just shut down discussion. I'm not a wolf.

This also feels like a fakeclaim to me

 

[justafluff]

Alley and VMH are in my POE, apparently I did give out too much village credit too easily at the start of the game. They both feel so pockety. The rest of my POE I will rebuild

I don't think it Visc fauxjo'd. People before me caught it and it changed. I was slow typing out the rest of my message to fluff and responding to the rojo so it saved the original post. Visc changed it too fast for it to be a Fauxjo. Setting it aside for now as WIFOM.

I'm Bumpers, a villager that can protect someone from being voted off during the day. I protected @youngkal D1 so she couldn't be voted D2 because I owe her for when she protected all the wolves after genny and I told her to in PM 😆
Night 2 I protected True because I didn't want to protect a wolf. I can only self-protect once, so I chose someone being widely village read.
I am going to self-protect tonight, you won't be able to vote me tomorrow. I'm telling you ahead of time, so you won't just shut down discussion. I'm not a wolf.

So if Vis didn’t fauxjo then why isn’t Lawpy in your POE?

 

[Melchizedek]

Me protecting you and you not mentioning your protection yesterday is what skeeved me out the most about you and why I was on your bum all of last cycle.

I'm re-iterating this for the people in the back


I was not driving a counterwagon to Visc's vote. I was pushing YK because she was withholding her vote protection yesterday which I thought was wolfy af.

Like I said multiple times, I was okay with a Visc vote because I recognize I gave Visc early village cred for superficial questions with no follow up, but YK was of greater concern to me because of her withholding info.

 

[bluestoat]

I don't know a lot about bowling, but bumpers are a structural feature and not a score mechanism or a rolling pattern for the ball, like a strike spare gutterball split etc

Vis fakeclaiming to be the janitor, on the pretense that she locked/blocked people in the bathroom, sounded hollow to me as well because it is thematically off. Same here with a bumper claim.

 

[Melchizedek]

So if Vis didn’t fauxjo then why isn’t Lawpy in your POE?

Everyone likes to talk about WIFOM but no one seems to remember that both cups are poisoned, and wesley only wins by being immune to the poison. Be immune to the poison. Don't think about the WIFOM, and it can't hurt you.

 

[Melchizedek]

I don't know a lot about bowling, but bumpers are a structural feature and not a score mechanism or a rolling pattern for the ball, like a strike spare gutterball split etc

Vis fakeclaiming to be the janitor, on the pretense that she locked/blocked people in the bathroom, sounded hollow to me as well because it is thematically off. Same here with a bumper claim.

How many people have to tell you about village code before you understand that mods build games to avoid this kind of angleshooting?

 

[bluestoat]

Okay here's my WIFOM for you Mel, since you're ignoring it:

*Edit: addressed*

Everyone likes to talk about WIFOM but no one seems to remember that both cups are poisoned, and wesley only wins by being immune to the poison. Be immune to the poison. Don't think about the WIFOM, and it can't hurt you.

 

[bluestoat]

How many people have to tell you about village code before you understand that mods build games to avoid this kind of angleshooting?

Hmmm is it though? Vis's actual role was on theme. If we were having a pirate themed game and you claimed your role was mountain bandit, I'd be just as skeptical.

Edit: okay I'm clearly really bad at figuring this out but yes it's village code

 

[justafluff]

Everyone likes to talk about WIFOM but no one seems to remember that both cups are poisoned, and wesley only wins by being immune to the poison. Be immune to the poison. Don't think about the WIFOM, and it can't hurt you.

So… don’t think about the rojo or what it said at all??
COVID brain here, guys I don’t understand what he means 😢

 

[bluestoat]

I think it's actually just hard to build a believable fakeclaim, just like how it's hard to build a believable fauxjo

 

[bluestoat]

So… don’t think about the rojo or what it said at all??
COVID brain here, guys I don’t understand what he means 😢

The comment feels very galaxy brain to me

 

[justafluff]

So you re saying that you re protected from a yeet on D4. I say we try it out, and see if you are.

 

[alleycat03]

alleys pls, it looks compelling and i could see your case on fluffy being a well designed wolfy one

Do you think I’m compatible with Vis? I’ve been wolf reading her for a while, and I voted her today. Maybe not enough to completely clear me as a villager, but I don’t really see how I can be considered as her packmate.

 

[alleycat03]

This is secondhand information though. I'm leaning village with samac but I'm not going to take any other player's word as gospel right now.

Oh yeah I’m not actually agreeing with it, I am just summarizing to YK why Mel was getting contingency yeets

 

[Lawpy]

yeah my vote is still for vis on the simple logic that WildZoo had implicated them with a whole methodology and then got ate. i think it's easy to get wrapped up on reads on reads on reads, but to me the most suspicious people are the ones who WildZoo directly implicated so...

still yeet @Viscernable

I still don't think wolves would do something that obvious. Just because Vis was Dubz's top wolf read means she immediately ordered the kill because of Dubz being suspicious of her. It is definitely WIFOM but IMO only the noobiest of wolves would do that with no other reasoning behind it. Hence why NK analysis is unfortunately not that helpful 95% of the time.

Noting this

 

[Lawpy]

I got the first crossvoting, then her saying you have more of an attitude when wolfing, then you disagreeing, but the disagreement after that and what your post to Pippy has to do with it lost me.

I am in agreement with Vis, I did not understand what the Pippy quote had to do with anything.

🤔

 

[Lawpy]

Hold pls

 

[Zenge142]

Hold pls

Holding

 

[alleycat03]

I had some weird feeling that someone of blue or sp or violet was wolf if Vis flipped wolf. after sleeps i may be able to remember where that was. Im probs way too deep in a mel pocket (because hes sticking to his WW resolution too well)

Pocket buddies 4ver

 

[Melchizedek]

I had some weird feeling that someone of blue or sp or violet was wolf if Vis flipped wolf. after sleeps i may be able to remember where that was. Im probs way too deep in a mel pocket (because hes sticking to his WW resolution too well)

Pocket buddies 4ver

you two are NOT helping my paranoia

 

[Lawpy]

I guess Vis, alley, sporty... Among noob players, puppy and pshelty. It really took me by surprise that they voted for me. For meats I'm only concerned about how much they agree with alley. I'll need to ISO them though to form a clear opinion.

Fluffy... you basically listed all of the people on your yeet except you included Vis instead of Zenge. Even if you’re a villager, the entire Wolfpack is not going to be voting for you all at once.

I was answering to Lawpy's question "who are you more concerned about" not who do you think is a wolf.

Hmm 🤔

Something to keep in mind

 

[Lawpy]

Village:
Animal Midwife - Still feel good about my read here. Nothing is standing out that would make me think this isn’t village AM.

samac - Still feel like there’s a villager here. I’m not seeing as much as I’d like, I know she’s irl busy, but nothing she’s posted jumps out at me as wolfy.

Lawpy - His content posts make sense. I’m following his thought process and he’s making good posts and seems like a good effort at game solving.

Aprilthearab - I liked the Ivy ISO. It was ultimately an incorrect conclusion, but the way she approached the ISO and analyzed the information read like it was a villager.

potentialsheltervet - PSV’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I feel like I’m seeing a noob effort at game solving. Slight village read here.

Neutral:
justafluff - Ugh. Fine. I’ve probably been wrong. I explained my thoughts on this already, but I’m starting to think more likely village than not. Top of my neutrals.

bluestoat - I’m still unsure but I’m starting to read their posts and see a more village sided tone. I can see the game solving effort and it doesn’t look like subterfuge, it looks like a villager trying to game solve. Village side of Neutral.

violetvett - To me, the reveal and frustration rang true, but that sways me more than it should, and Lawpy’s points against it are fair. Overall I’m not sure here. But I’m more inclined to lean village here. Neutral for now though.

puppydogtor - Overall not sure. In general I think their posts seem okay though. Village side of neutral, but not by much.

SportPonies - I don’t have a clue how to read sporty. There. I said it. At think point I think I’m just waiting for some of her reads to flip to get a sense of how to read her. There’s a number of things that ping me, and I feel like I’m seeing a genuine effort at game solving in some posts, and that’s what I’m struggling with.

Melchizedek - Mel always pings me for a majority of reasons, but his most recent reads list is something I can’t really agree with. A lot of strange reads and reasoning. I don’t get why he’s putting April in the POE for doing the Ivy ISO. She was wrong, but I don’t see how being wrong on a read most people found wolfy since D1. AM was a weird addition too. I get they were in a certain order and April and AM were lower on the list, but still it’s pretty weird.

Wolfy:
Viscernable - I’ve been reading though Vis’s posts and I’m in agreement with people’s reads and votes here. The one thing that trips me up, is that if Fluff IS village, and Vis is a wolf, why wouldn’t Vis vote for Fluff at the end of D2? I guess it doesn’t change anything overall, contributions still seem like they’re really game solving, pushes seem off in a way that’s feels too forceful and less thoughtful than I expect from village!vis.

Youngkal - I’m not seeing anything that makes me think this is a villager. There were a few things that pinged me D1. D2 wasn’t much better. I can’t make a good case for this being a village player.

vetmedhead - After wolf reading VMH I backed off yesterday because I liked some of their posts, particularly those around Fluff. If I’m following the logic of my hunch that Fluff is probably village, then I think I’ve been played.

OctopusDoctorpus - Overall I’ve seen no effort at game solving. ISO is limited and full of fluff. The last minute vote switch was super weird last night.

You forgot me 😢

Also your wolf reads seem like a lot of low hanging fruit, and I tend to recall that you push misyeets on people like that when you’re wolfing. Computing some stuff now

Hmm

 

[Lawpy]

I’m feeling a lot of emotions from being both smeared and pocketed by wolves 🙁😢😢

 

[Lawpy]

Yeet YK

I’m contemplating more about her vs Vis and right now I’m feeling marginally better about Vis

Noting this

 

[alleycat03]

I feel like the Mel role claim is pretty believable. If he isn’t the real protector, someone should counterclaim. I also don’t see how his targets would fall under wolfy usage of his PR instead of village use.

I don’t like how stoat started village coding his role name, but his name is different from the others. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as weird as the janitor claim, but doesn’t fit in as well with the strike, gutter ball, etc

 

[bluestoat]

I feel like the Mel role claim is pretty believable. If he isn’t the real protector, someone should counterclaim. I also don’t see how his targets would fall under wolfy usage of his PR instead of village use.

I don’t like how stoat started village coding his role name, but his name is different from the others. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as weird as the janitor claim, but doesn’t fit in as well with the strike, gutter ball, etc

Let's just drop that, I got ahead of myself

 

[alleycat03]

but will reconsider him tomorrow

I should probably reconsider tomorrow when I’m not super sleep-deprived

 

[Aprilthearab]

I feel like the Mel role claim is pretty believable. If he isn’t the real protector, someone should counterclaim. I also don’t see how his targets would fall under wolfy usage of his PR instead of village use.

I don’t like how stoat started village coding his role name, but his name is different from the others. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as weird as the janitor claim, but doesn’t fit in as well with the strike, gutter ball, etc

Why would someone counterclaim and out themselves to the wolves right now, especially when it already seems like Mel is going down?

 

[alleycat03]

Why would someone counterclaim and out themselves to the wolves right now, especially when it already seems like Mel is going down?

Oh I didn’t mean right now, plz don’t do that in the night cycle!! I said someone should, implying in the future. Do it tomorrow, not tonight. Sorry that was not clear.

 

[Melchizedek]

Why would someone counterclaim and out themselves to the wolves right now, especially when it already seems like Mel is going down?

Are you even considering why I'm telling you I drove the YK vote today? I was never opposed to voting visc.

Or are you just going to tunnel me? Mark this post if you're village. If you keep up this tunnel, I hope you feel foolish when I flip village.

 

[alleycat03]

I will not vote for VMH or Mel. That’s the hill I’m dying on. If I’m wrong, so be it.

We can be cozy pocket buddies

Y’all I don’t want to be wrong about my PM partner or about the person I felt a mind meld with though 😔

I probably shouldn’t die on this hill tho, it wouldn’t be good for the village. Ugh I’m reevaluating now

 

[Aprilthearab]

Are you even considering why I'm telling you I drove the YK vote today? I was never opposed to voting visc.

Or are you just going to tunnel me? Mark this post if you're village. If you keep up this tunnel, I hope you feel foolish when I flip village.

I didn't ask you about Kal, I actually didn't ask you anything. I was asking Alley about recommending a counterclaim.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Y’all I don’t want to be wrong about my PM partner or about the person I felt a mind meld with though 😔

I probably shouldn’t die on this hill tho, it wouldn’t be good for the village. Ugh I’m reevaluating now

Reevaluating now because you might have to bus one of them? 🤔

 

[Melchizedek]

I didn't ask you about Kal, I actually didn't ask you anything. I was asking Alley about recommending a counterclaim.

I'm asking you why you think Visc's wolf!flip makes me lock!wolf in your mind.

I'm going to hazard a guess its because I drove the counterwagon. I'm explaining why I drove the counterwagon.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oh I didn’t mean right now, plz don’t do that in the night cycle!! I said someone should, implying in the future. Do it tomorrow, not tonight. Sorry that was not clear.

Even tomorrow... If Mel is going down on his own, someone shouldn't counterclaim

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm asking you why you think Visc's wolf!flip makes me lock!wolf in your mind.

I'm going to hazard a guess its because I drove the counterwagon. I'm explaining why I drove the counterwagon.

Nope, it has nothing to do with the counterwagon, no need to keep making assumptions about my thoughts thank you

 

[Melchizedek]

Even tomorrow... If Mel is going down on his own, someone shouldn't counterclaim

No one is going to counterclaim. There is nothing to counter.

 

[Lawpy]

Spoiler: N2 contingency votes

lets try this again

Contingency yeet violets

Contingency vote Octo.

I don't like how they keeping popping in and out of the thread. It makes me uncomfy.

Hmm

Contingency unyeet violets
Contingency yeet meaty

Wow. Huh.

Yeet VioletVett
Edit after continuing to read: unyeet violet

Contingency yeet Violet

Contingency yeet Alley

Hmmm
Un-contingency yeet violet

At the risk of revealing even more information, I don't think scores are getting updated.

Contingency yeet Alley

I'm willing to be talked out of this but that exchange was some of the clearest evidence we've gotten so far.

Frame 3 Official Vote Tally

meats (1)- lawpy (c)
alley (2) - violet (c), blue (c)

Ineligible to vote: AM

3/16

Missing: Etc etc

Voting ends Monday 1/24 at 10PM ET

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[Melchizedek]

Nope, it has nothing to do with the counterwagon, no need to keep making assumptions about my thoughts thank you

then go ahead lay it out and I'll point out exactly how wrong you are 😛

 

[bluestoat]

I feel like the Mel role claim is pretty believable. If he isn’t the real protector, someone should counterclaim. I also don’t see how his targets would fall under wolfy usage of his PR instead of village use.

I don’t like how stoat started village coding his role name, but his name is different from the others. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as weird as the janitor claim, but doesn’t fit in as well with the strike, gutter ball, etc

Oh, but a safe avenue: Vis claimed janitor to lean on an established line of night actions. She was actually a 5-7-10 split. No reason to not expect more of the same. A protector role had been discussed and is easy to claim

Also asking someone else to step forward is kinda role fishy

 

[Aprilthearab]

then go ahead lay it out and I'll point out exactly how wrong you are 😛

How about I go to bed instead of trying to convince the wolf that he's a wolf when the villagers don't need convincing?

 

[Melchizedek]

Oh, but a safe avenue: Vis claimed janitor to lean on an established line of night actions. She was actually a 5-7-10 split. No reason to not expect more of the same. A protector role had been discussed and is easy to claim

Also asking someone else to step forward is kinda role fishy

So you think two wolves chose to act on the same person on N1?

 

[Melchizedek]

How about I go to bed instead of trying to convince the wolf that he's a wolf when the villagers don't need convincing?

You got nothing

 

[alleycat03]

Reevaluating now because you might have to bus one of them? 🤔

No. It would be so dumb to bus, and I don’t bus unless it’s necessary and there’s no other way to win the game. I’m not a never-busser like AM, but I’ve only bussed once and it was a panic bus on Zenge in bioshock after Dina role revealed.

 

[Aprilthearab]

You got nothing

Lolol you gonna make me ISO you again? How'd that go last time?

 

[Melchizedek]

Lolol you gonna make me ISO you again? How'd that go last time?

go ahead.

 

[Melchizedek]

Lolol you gonna make me ISO you again? How'd that go last time?

I would take endless joy in you actually iso'ing me, laying out your argument against me just so that we can all look back at and see how wrong you are and exactly why

ETA: I guess we'll see if you are actually good at reading me or if your first ISO was a fluke and you're just like everyone else who wants to wolf read me for pushing them/paranoia

 

[alleycat03]

Reevaluating now because you might have to bus one of them? 🤔

I just don’t want to be wrong and feel ****ty because my reads were awful this game. I’ve had Vis as wolfy since D1, but I had a lot of people in my POE flip as village. Ivy fluff and violet weren’t/ almost certainly aren’t wolves, and I thought they were the wolfiest people in the game.

 

[alleycat03]

Oh, but a safe avenue: Vis claimed janitor to lean on an established line of night actions. She was actually a 5-7-10 split. No reason to not expect more of the same. A protector role had been discussed and is easy to claim

Also asking someone else to step forward is kinda role fishy

Yes, I get April’s point about counterclaiming. Probably not the best idea to do it tomorrow because Mel might be yeeted without it, but they definitely shouldn’t counterclaim tonight.

 

[justafluff]

Are you even considering why I'm telling you I drove the YK vote today? I was never opposed to voting visc.

Or are you just going to tunnel me? Mark this post if you're village. If you keep up this tunnel, I hope you feel foolish when I flip village.

But you said you re protected from being yeeted tomorrow anyway?