Please dont quote wrong statistics:
Didnt see the 2017 data. Non US img is irrelevant here though. Regardless that is a very small amount of people.
The only thing the merger will do is create less positions for DO students. It wont affect US-IMG MD as much as you would like.
idk about that its going to affect DOs and US IMGs as a whole. will one be more of a pinch than the other ? probably. Will it be imgs or dos ? i would think dos the first few year since a majority of us have been brainwashed not to take the big scary usmle. eventually, dos will be taking both and i predict that img, in general, will be squeezed out much more. but thats theory i have no proof
I sincerely doubt that any program director would consider an IMG before considering a DO student.
Not in the Northeast New York, New Jersey and Penn
again i have no proof of this but there is alot of place that only ACCEPT USMLE, historically not all dos take step, so in theory that excludes them before they can even apply. I took the step for this reason. Many people will make the argument of you comparing an apple (usmle) and a orange ( comlex) some pds know what makes a good orange some only know apples and are not familiar with an orange, thus they wont take a risk.
SGU has many connections
Yet their match rate is still lower then those of any single one DO school. Not to mention that the match for any competitive specialties is basically nonexistent. (sure it's not great for DO, but it's a lot better). I don't really see the logic behind the merger being anything but bad news for Carib. Again, PDs are not stupid. They realize that MD > DO > Carib is the way it goes in terms of calibers of students attending (at least initially). I do not see logic behind an IMG being chosen over a DO student for any reason. I am sure that the "mostly-IMG" programs in inner city NYC will remain that way, due to tradition and lack of interest by DO.
If a Program Director or Hospital is biased against DO Graduates that doesn't change with the Merger. The Merger will only open up more spots for the low end US Medical students to steal DO Residency positions that would have gone to DO Students..
Do you take all statistics published by a company at face value?If a Program Director or Hospital is biased against DO Graduates that doesn't change with the Merger. The Merger will only open up more spots for the low end US Medical students to steal DO Residency positions that would have gone to DO Students..
I was one of those Prelim students who will go onto Radiology. I don't care about the 467 students who failed out, of the more then 900 students who Graduated 93% obtained Residency positions
Congrats on your success. Im sure you worked extremely hard for it. So 933/1400= 66% percent of those who started down the path made it successfully through. This is the best school in the Caribbean too. People should go into this enterprise knowing the risk. Those are not terrible odds of making it through, but those are not great odds either. So its a little problematic to suggest to a student that going to the Caribbean is a great option considering the alternative is spending a year or two beefing up one's application and applying to DO. At worst the applicant has lost an application cycle or two and the Caribbean is still there. The flip side of that is going to the Caribbean without applying US and failing out and being left with no options.
Also of the 933, not all of them are entering the match for the first time, and some of the newly graduated students take a year off.
For what it’s worth, at least the DO schools I’ve asked about have shifted to telling all their folks to talk usmle unless they are dead set on only family
maybe in the class of 2020 and above. yes that would be wise. but some schools are pushing the whole go to only osteopathic recognition programs. Which is complete bs in my opinion. At my school they left it up to us but recommended against it .
currently <200 programs so that's not going to stay a thing
The Program Directors survey show that as an aggregate, PDS refuse to rank or interview IMGS FAR more than they will for DOs.
Data makes you angry? You know what makes me angry? People getting fleeced by criminal organizations. I have no argument with the students, even if they are making bad choices. It's the people taking advantage of them that I have the objection to.
All I know is I had 27 interviews (Majority Radiology) all over the country and I went to a Caribbean School
Lol. These people are trying to help you from making a rash decision. No need to get so worked up. Need some delayed gratification.
Gee, thanks Mom
Do whatever you want. After all it's your life, no one should tell you how to live it. They can only advise you, but at the end of the day the decisions are yours to make. Whether you fail or succeed own your decisions with all the consequences that come with them.
Except the problem is, these posters are arguing against a non-existent group of people. Everyone who posts regularly on this topic tells people to proceed with caution, to only consider the Caribbean after all other avenues, etc. There's the rare premed who comes in saying "I'm going Caribbean and will do ortho" blah, blah, blah, but no one who regularly posts expresses this sentiment.
Just throwing this out there. Until rescently DOs had the DO match which made that 72 percent not that big of a deal which the IMGs did not have. Just a thought. Not really making a stance.
Nonsensical sentence, please revise.
That number that states that only 72 percent of PD's will rank DO's is referring to ACGME programs. However, until 2020 there is still the AOA match. So, DO's still had a significantly higher chance matching. The poster stated a defense that the difference between PD's ranking DO's (72%) and PD's ranking IMG's (64%) is minuscule in comparison. Which may be the case, however it is not accounting for the AOA match that DO's had the opportunity to participate in that IMG's did not. Also, many of those AOA programs are gaining ACGME accreditation and possibly will still rank DO's. So, the defense that those numbers are similar really doesn't hold that much weight.
No one is arguing that DOs having (for now) protected AOA only residency positions isn't a big plus. In fact, no one is arguing the fact that overall going DO is preferable to the Caribbean.
Very well. I see your point!
I find it hilarious that you decided that the person replying to you was a white westerner. That's pretty racist of you.
Can I ask how your Ross experience was? From the "weeding out" process, to how rotations went?
Thanks for the reply Skip. I've gone through countless threads, comments, videos, other forums, match statistics, etc for the past couple months and what I've realized is if I'm gonna take any advice from the internet on whether to follow the Carib route, it should be advice from those who have walked or are currently walking that route. I'm the typical <3.0 GPA with an upward trend graduating this December who got his stuff together way to late and will have racked 155 credits. I truly have no idea if to do a DIY post bacc with an SMP to follow and THEN apply DO, or simply save that time/money because it doesn't guarantee me anything anyway and do enough to get a SGU/Ross acceptance. It's not a matter of is this for me, its a matter of which route do I choose. If I do a DIY postbacc it'll practically end up doing 3/4th of a new bachelors to barely reach a 3.0 and that's assuming a keep a perfect 4.0. Drop it to 3.9 and easily gotta 10-15 credits to make up for that .1. This and the SMP will take years and not to mention serious cash. That's where Caribbean school in. The money I'd be investing in that post undergrad will prob even out if I just take the Caribbean route plus assuming all goes well, that's 2-4 years of my life I'm "saving". Whenever I think of the Caribbean route I begin to think of the stigma and mainly how the merger could possibly screw me over. I've tried to scavenge for info on the merger in respects to IMGs in order to help me weight the Caribbean options but I haven't found anything useful. And it's understandable I guess since we're still not there yet. I don't want you to think I'm looking for a shortcut because sometimes I think doing the postbacc/SMP route is me paying my dues and putting in the work I didn't do my first 3 years of undergrad but at the same time screw that. If I'm well aware of what's at stake and can save myself time and money, why not? Point is, I'm lost and truly am no nowhere near making a concrete decision (and I know that's okay for now). I just need solid guidance on how to reach it.
I most definitely am not qualified to say I "understand the demographics or the overall process of the Match" but I had a similar thought process from all the data I had gathered over time and it's almost a relief that you and others agree.
What is the cause of your low gpa?
It won't let me PM (I think, I'm still new to SDN). Could you PM me?
I cant message you either lol
Leaving high school, I graduated with high GPA (4.0+) and good SAT scores. Enough to land me multiple scholarships and go to school for free. Honestly, I was just immature and didn't realize the gravity of harm I was doing to future me. Put it this way. I failed intro to psych twice because I literally never went and got a C+ in a mandatory 1 credit freshman course which you pretty much just gotta attend and breathe. Truthfully just went to school to collect my free money. I was always pissed deep down I never left home and kinda felt like a loser for not going to great schools out of state which 100% I could've gotten into. Looking back I think that was what fueled my downward spiral. All I did was playing video games, skip class, and collect my financial aid money that is until I got dismissed and lost everything. It was a wake up call. Took time, but eventually I finally realized that I still wanna do medical school. Got A in orgo classes, B in a biochem (made a mistake taking it in a 6 week summer course), A's in grade replacement for bio classes and labs (had F's all of these, again i nver took a single test for virutally any of the classes). Only classes where I did't have that "upward trend" was physics (C's).
