Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Fellowship Application Thread 2022-2023

[shoomer]

Didn't see a thread yet for this cycle so I figured I'd start this with programs receiving applications soon.

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[cr7pt]

Very dead compared to last year!

 

[shoomer]

Very dead compared to last year!

lol it really is! I wonder if that means there's even less interest than previous years?

 

[cr7pt]

lol it really is! I wonder if that means there's even less interest than previous years?

Potentially, but after reading the threads for the past 2 years I'd say it only takes a handful of people to get the conversation going.

 

[kopftonmd]

How many places are people applying to?

(I'm just a resident but might be interested in CAP down the road)

 

[shoomer]

Hard to know what a "good number" is. I'm in the 20-30 range right now.

CAP still has an abundance of positions offered relative to number of applicants so it's very different from residency applications.

 

[cr7pt]

Got the list down to 16 now... based on match numbers (2/3 match #1, 84%+ top 3 match), % of interviews (reasonable to expect at least 50-60%) I'd say that's a reasonable enough number.

Flashbacks of residency make me want to add a few more though...

 

[shoomer]

I significantly over-applied for residency and I'm fighting the urge to do it again. I was worried before about virtual interviews skewing the match results a bit, but it seems like last year had the lowest percentage of filled positions since 2018.

 

[cr7pt]

I went through the list from last year and of all the programs that are/were on my list, only 2 didn't fully fill. Matching is guaranteed, matching to desirable location/top program still seems highly likely (compared to residency match) but you're not as certain where you might land unless you get interview from all SoCal programs and only rank em

 

[PsychGirl15]

So when will interview invites start coming in? Anyone know?

 

[cr7pt]

So when will interview invites start coming in? Anyone know?

Based on previous years, you can expect some programs next week, however the bulk of it starts to roll in throughout August.

 

[cr7pt]

Heard from colleagues that some NY programs already started reaching out

 

[texascap6934]

Hey guys! Wishing everyone good luck this application season. I'm glad we have each other to share thoughts, advice, etc. I got some interviews and wanted to start the thread as they did last year.


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Arizona
7/20 University of Arizona - Phoenix

Missouri
7/21 Washington University - St. Louis

 

[shoomer]

Interview invites even on day 1, that's awesome!

Too bad we still have to wait until all the way in January 🙁

 

[Traveler2016]

How many places are people applying to?

(I'm just a resident but might be interested in CAP down the road)

I applied to 17 programs, but I just went based off locations I'd be interested in living in. Other residents in my program have applied to anywhere from 4 programs to 40 programs!

 

[Traveler2016]

So when will interview invites start coming in? Anyone know?

You can scroll through last years thread to get a sense. It seems like not much happens until about 2 weeks in.

Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Fellowship Application Thread 2021-2022

 

[C/Afellow23]

How many places are people applying to?

(I'm just a resident but might be interested in CAP down the road)

I’m from the northeast and applied to 12, and my mentor at my program said that was too many because “it’s not like residency, you usually get into your top programs.” Not sure I totally bought into it since I think it depends how selective those top programs usually are! But regardless, it depends on who you talk to, like most things in medicine. Definitely find a child/adolescent psychiatrist in your program to have as a mentor. It helps keep you on track to build your CV since residency can be a lot sometimes.

 

[shoomer]

I’m from the northeast and applied to 12, and my mentor at my program said that was too many because “it’s not like residency, you usually get into your top programs.” Not sure I totally bought into it since I think it depends how selective those top programs usually are! But regardless, it depends on who you talk to, like most things in medicine. Definitely find a child/adolescent psychiatrist in your program to have as a mentor. It helps keep you on track to build your CV since residency can be a lot sometimes.

Adding to this, the "best" programs are competitive but there seems to be a notable drop off after that in terms of competitiveness. So the general sentiment of your mentor is probably accurate just with that caveat of recognizing whether your top program is a reach for you or not.

As @cr7pt said above, there's a roughly 2/3 chance of matching your #1 choice.

I'm also feeling like I overapplied in retrospect but it is what it is.

 

[C/Afellow23]

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Arizona
7/20 University of Arizona - Phoenix

Missouri
7/21 Washington University - St. Louis

New Jersey
7/22 Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City

 

[cr7pt]

Congrats on the interviews so far! I'm replying with fixed formatting to avoid duplicate rows every time someone gets one (+ similar format from previous threads)


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Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

 

[Psychiatricks]

Geez I’m still waiting for EFDO processing

 

[DOBound2019]

Good luck to everyone this year! Some advice virtual interviewing was new for me as when I interviewed for my adult residency it was still in person. Something that helped me the most when making my decision was reaching out to fellows directly with questions. Also, learn from my mistake and don't over apply! Anything more than 8-10 applications is overkill. There is zero reason to interview at more than say 7-8 places the odds of falling past your top 3 is very small. Pay attention if a program has call as some programs have very heavy call schedules that they will go out of their way to try and not highlight unless you specifically get in depth details.

 

[Traveler2016]

Good luck to everyone this year! Some advice virtual interviewing was new for me as when I interviewed for my adult residency it was still in person. Something that helped me the most when making my decision was reaching out to fellows directly with questions. Also, learn from my mistake and don't over apply! Anything more than 8-10 applications is overkill. There is zero reason to interview at more than say 7-8 places the odds of falling past your top 3 is very small. Pay attention if a program has call as some programs have very heavy call schedules that they will go out of their way to try and not highlight unless you specifically get in depth details.

If only we could know the call schedules ahead of time so I don't waste time on interviews at these placed with intense schedules!

 

[shoomer]

Questions I'm going to ask current fellows at a given program:
-call schedule
-is moonlighting allowed/feasible?
-ancillary benefits
-quality of teaching

What are some good questions to ask faculty interviewers? I've always struggled with this and usually throw generic questions out just to fill the space.

 

[ladyfreud]

II at Vanderbilt today!

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Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

 

[CAPapplicant2223]

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Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

 

[Traveler2016]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

 

[texascap6934]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

 

[DOBound2019]

Questions I'm going to ask current fellows at a given program:
-call schedule
-is moonlighting allowed/feasible?
-ancillary benefits
-quality of teaching

What are some good questions to ask faculty interviewers? I've always struggled with this and usually throw generic questions out just to fill the space.

You should try to figure if you personally have specific areas of interest craft questions around specifics around those interests and things you are interested in getting trained in. That along with actual examples of them being supportive of their fellows, and efforts to make sure fellows feel as though they are being heard and so forth.

 

[texascap6934]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[C/Afellow23]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[ladyfreud]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[Simba7]

Is anyone else still waiting to hear back from the vast majority of programs? I know it's still early but I was kind of expecting to hear from more places at this point.

 

[shoomer]

Is anyone else still waiting to hear back from the vast majority of programs? I know it's still early but I was kind of expecting to hear from more places at this point.

Looking at the previous year's thread, seems like the bulk of programs sent out invites in August. So I would give it a week or two at least to gauge how things are going.

 

[INamedMyGoldfishThorazine]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[Psychiatricks]

Arizona
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223) 8/3 (Psychiatricks)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[Traveler2016]

It's so brutal getting these emails from program coordinators that just say "thanks for applying, we'll let you know!" 🙄🙄

 

[PsychGirl15]

Slow year?

 

[Psych_MD]

Does anyone else know when the bulk of interview invitations come out? I see more spots for interviews are August + September heavy, and we're already in August.

 

[texascap6934]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
Creighton University - Phoenix 8/3 (texascap6934)
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223) 8/3 (Psychiatricks)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
Baylor University - Houston 8/8 (texascap6934)
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[ladyfreud]

Anyone heard from Chicago schools? Feels like things are moving slow this season! That or I’m not doing as well as I’d hope…

 

[shoomer]

Seems like it's been slow for a lot of people given the other posts in this thread...

 

[liyaz]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
Creighton University - Phoenix 8/3 (texascap6934)
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Illinois
University of Chicago 8/8 (liyaz)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223) 8/3 (Psychiatricks)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
Baylor University - Houston 8/8 (texascap6934)
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[C/Afellow23]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
Creighton University - Phoenix 8/3 (texascap6934)
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Illinois
University of Chicago 8/8 (liyaz)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223) 8/3 (Psychiatricks)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)
Thomas Jefferson - Philadelphia 8/9 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
Baylor University - Houston 8/8 (texascap6934)
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[Pneumosistah]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
Creighton University - Phoenix 8/3 (texascap6934)
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Illinois
University of Chicago 8/8 (liyaz)

Kansas
Kansas University 7/23 (pneumosistah)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Minnesota
Mayo Clinic 8/9 (pneumosistah)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934, pneumosistah)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223) 8/3 (Psychiatricks)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)
Thomas Jefferson - Philadelphia 8/9 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
Baylor University - Houston 8/8 (texascap6934)
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[Pneumosistah]

Agreed, it seems slower this year but I've heard from other residents on the east coast that they haven't heard anything back from most of their places. But this is n=2 lol

 

[NoPuedo]

I applied to 11 programs in the NE and have heard back from 0. Making me feel like I forgot to fill out something on my app....

 

[Traveler2016]

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Put date and then program in alphabetical order by state!

Arizona
Creighton University - Phoenix 8/3 (texascap6934)
University of Arizona - Phoenix 7/20 (texascap6934)

Florida
Citrus Health Network - Hialeah (Miami-Dade) 7/26 (texascap6934)

Illinois
University of Chicago 8/8 (liyaz)

Kansas
Kansas University 7/23 (pneumosistah)

Massachusetts
UMass - Worcester 7/26 (INamedMyGoldfishThorazine)

Minnesota
Mayo Clinic 8/9 (pneumosistah)

Missouri
Washington University - St. Louis 7/21 (texascap6934, pneumosistah)

New Jersey
Jersey Shore University Medical Center - Neptune City 7/22 (C/Afellow23)

New York
Stony Brook 7/25 (CAPapplicant2223) 8/3 (Psychiatricks)
Mt Sinai 8/1 (ladyfreud)
Montefiore 8/4 (Traveler2016)

Ohio
Case Western/University Hospital - Cleveland 7/28 (texascap6934)

Pennsylvania
Penn State - Hershey 7/28 (C/Afellow23)
Thomas Jefferson - Philadelphia 8/9 (C/Afellow23)

South Carolina
MUSC 7/25 (Traveler2016)

Tennessee
Vanderbilt - Nashville 7/25 (ladyfreud)

Texas
Baylor University - Houston 8/8 (texascap6934)
University of Texas Medical Branch - Galveston 7/28 (texascap6934)

 

[Pneumosistah]

I emailed a program letting them know my letters were processed by EFDO and should be uploaded now and they were like thanks we're going to start to review applications soon. This was a week ago I think? I think we're all in the same boat.

 

[clozareal]

Questions I'm going to ask current fellows at a given program:
-call schedule
-is moonlighting allowed/feasible?
-ancillary benefits
-quality of teaching

What are some good questions to ask faculty interviewers? I've always struggled with this and usually throw generic questions out just to fill the space.

You have to know your audience during interviews. I would avoid any questions that a fellow would know that a faculty member wouldn't. Put yourself in their shoes in working with fellows and think about the things that are important in that interaction. How much graduated autonomy do they give fellows? What is their approach to supervision/teaching? What qualities would make a fellow they work with thrive in their program? Are there things that they wish fellows would do more or less of? Then you can tailor it to wherever that faculty is working, whether it's on inpatient, outpatient, IOP/PHP, residential, CMHC, research, etc.

My favorite question I ask is: are there any concerns about my application? That way, you can address any inconsistencies, deficits, misunderstandings, or yellow/red flags on your application, hopefully in a way that sounds more optimistic and thoughtful rather than defensive.