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[squirrelsrule]

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Wow, how do you guys have time to go through this whole thread! I was kinda shocked by parts of it (didn't read the whole thing)!

I think the posters purpose was to see if there were a lot of Christians in vet school or if it would be like undergrad bio. major where you feel like you're the only one.

It is hard to sit through class on evolution and everything when you believe that God created the world. I sat through vertebrate zoology and memorized the evolutionary tree and comparative anatomy, all that good stuff and felt like I was the only one sitting there wanting to scream out don't you see they didn't evolve, they are all different and unique. Don't you think if things evolved there would be a set evolutionary tree that all scientists could agree on and they wouldn't keep changing it. Instead it is all kinda wishy washy when you get to that type thing.

I will NOT drag this down the creation vs. evolution path though, just think the posters original goal was to get a feel for if vet school would be like undergrad biology. My guess is it will be similar, but hoping there will be more Christians than undergrad.

 

[Alhazred]

Don't you think if things evolved there would be a set evolutionary tree that all scientists could agree on and they wouldn't keep changing it. Instead it is all kinda wishy washy when you get to that type thing.

Don't you think if god created things there would be a set religion that all theists could agree on etc etc?

 

[Coquette22]

It is hard to sit through class on evolution and everything when you believe that God created the world. I sat through vertebrate zoology and memorized the evolutionary tree and comparative anatomy, all that good stuff and felt like I was the only one sitting there wanting to scream out don't you see they didn't evolve, they are all different and unique. Don't you think if things evolved there would be a set evolutionary tree that all scientists could agree on and they wouldn't keep changing it. Instead it is all kinda wishy washy when you get to that type thing.

Two points:

1) The fact that science keeps changing its mind is a good thing. Science is inherently self-correcting. It doesn't take one answer and refuse to change based on evidence. It adapts given the current evidence. There are transitional forms in evolution, and we're finding more all the time. The tree of life may shift, but evolutionary theory itself has held up through repeated testing. The fact that we don't know everything doesn't mean we don't know anything.
2) You find things unique. I find things astoundingly similar, actually, and the more I learn, the more evolution makes sense to me. The God theory never made sense to me, a bit like apparently, evolution doesn't make sense to you.

 

[NStarz]

Wow, how do you guys have time to go through this whole thread! I was kinda shocked by parts of it (didn't read the whole thing)!

I think the posters purpose was to see if there were a lot of Christians in vet school or if it would be like undergrad bio. major where you feel like you're the only one.

It is hard to sit through class on evolution and everything when you believe that God created the world. I sat through vertebrate zoology and memorized the evolutionary tree and comparative anatomy, all that good stuff and felt like I was the only one sitting there wanting to scream out don't you see they didn't evolve, they are all different and unique. Don't you think if things evolved there would be a set evolutionary tree that all scientists could agree on and they wouldn't keep changing it. Instead it is all kinda wishy washy when you get to that type thing.

I will NOT drag this down the creation vs. evolution path though, just think the posters original goal was to get a feel for if vet school would be like undergrad biology. My guess is it will be similar, but hoping there will be more Christians than undergrad.

Scientists are changing phylogenetic trees because, with our advanced tools, we are finding out more information. One hundred years ago, organisms were divided by how they look. Now we use biochemistry, genetics, and other criteria.

This does not negate any kind of deity, but I do think it is worth pointing out.

If G-d created all organisms, why would He/She create organisms from which we have no defense? Why would there be viruses? Why cancer? If we are His chosen species, why is He so intent on killing us off?

I'm really curious, not trying to poke fun.

 

[Coquette22]

Scientists are changing phylogenetic trees because, with our advanced tools, we are finding out more information. One hundred years ago, organisms were divided by how they look. Now we use biochemistry, genetics, and other criteria.

Additionally, in order to make a tree showing the division of species, you have to have an agreed upon definition of species. We don't. Well we do, but they don't work for everything.

 

[bbeventer]

2) You find things unique. I find things astoundingly similar, actually, and the more I learn, the more evolution makes sense to me. The God theory never made sense to me, a bit like apparently, evolution doesn't make sense to you.

👍👍

 

[JulesMichy]

I don't think atheist are any more discriminated against than any other group.

🤣 I'm sorry, what? Polls have consistently revealed that atheists are the least likely minority to be voted for president, considered the least trusthworthy, etc. Typical privileged class mentality. "Why can't we have a WHITE history month? How come there are no STRAIGHT pride parades?"

 

[bbeventer]

🤣 I'm sorry, what? Polls have consistently revealed that atheists are the least likely minority to be voted for president, considered the least trusthworthy, etc. Typical privileged class mentality. "Why can't we have a WHITE history month? How come there are no STRAIGHT pride parades?"

Polls and statistics can often be misleading. It would do you well to read this entire thread before you accuse anyone of having a privileged mentality. You would then realize that I am an atheist.

Continue on.

 

[squirrelsrule]

I do feel that it is good that science shifts with the evidence, I never really saw proof of transitional forms in class though, it seemed like there was one thing then the next and they seemed so different to me. Even skeletons of different species seem vastly different to me. Also, what really got to me was the whole human evolution story with just bits and pieces of skeletons and skulls and even when they made complete skeletons from bits and pieces of different organisms, they still had to add pieces to complete the skeleton. And the first hominid, all they had was a tooth, don't tell me you can build a whole skeleton and muscle tone and all that from a single tooth. No scientist should fall for that one! I just felt a total lack of evidence supporting what they were going full force to show. I believe natural selection is working all the time to shape every living thing on this planet, but I do not believe that the species came from some primordial soup. I have never seen any evidence to back that up.


In the end it all comes down to belief. You either believe that God created everything or you don't. If you do it doesn't make you any better than someone who doesn't, but it does make you different. It is also likely to make you an outcast among many biology major students. That's just a fact of life and I can deal with that.

 

[scb44f]

In the end it all comes down to belief. You either believe that God created everything or you don't. If you do it doesn't make you any better than someone who doesn't, but it does make you different. It is also likely to make you an outcast among many biology major students. That's just a fact of life and I can deal with that.

Not sure what the statistics were exactly, but most biology majors I know at my school do believe in God. I'd also like to point out that to some, evolution and the belief in God are not mutually exclusive. There are folks out there that think the mechanism used to create everything was evolution.

ETA: I think some of the problem with showing the intermediate organisms between species is that there are a) few examples to go off of (how many t-rex skeletons do we have vs the number that existed?) and b) there is no way to classify them because they are not their own species. I'm not trying to start anything about dinosaurs, just trying to make a point lol.

 

[Coquette22]

I repeat - there are tons of transitional forms. The fact that you were not shown them doesn't change that. There are tons of examples where we hypothesized something and then later found it. Forms between whales and their land ancestors have been found. Genetic links have been found between secretory systems and the bacterial flagellum (once thought to be "too complex to evolve"). You can almost use extant creatures to trace the development of the eye.

Really look at diagrams of skeletons and you'll start to see amazing similarity. Heck, even the body plans of vertebrates are all pretty similar. One head. Neck. Torso. Two forelimbs. Two hindlimbs. Usually a tail. The whale's flipper contains all the same bones as our hands. Whales have a pelvis. Why would God give a pelvis to something with no legs?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just find your arguments to be... a little out of left field.

 

[Minnerbelle]

damn, I have no idea where y'all are living... but for the last however many years of my life (minus this last year in CO + 7 month stint in TX), I've pretty much lived where you're considered ignorant if you're republican or deeply religious. those people were generally the ones who were closeted, not the agnostic/atheist. it's pretty baffling to hear non-religious people say that they're so discriminated against.

but then again, i also went to college where being straight was like the lamest thing...

 

[Dsmoody23]

I believe natural selection is working all the time to shape every living thing on this planet, but I do not believe that the species came from some primordial soup. I have never seen any evidence to back that up.

Developmental biology is going to ruin your year.

Let's revisit this topic after you see it under a microscope.

 

[dyachei]

damn, I have no idea where y'all are living... but for the last however many years of my life (minus this last year in CO + 7 month stint in TX), I've pretty much lived where you're considered ignorant if you're republican or deeply religious. those people were generally the ones who were closeted, not the agnostic/atheist. it's pretty baffling to hear non-religious people say that they're so discriminated against.

but then again, i also went to college where being straight was like the lamest thing...

It was like that at my undergrad for the most part. Quite the culture shock when I moved to TN and had to deal with the opposite viewpoints.

I grew up in Tokyo and Singapore. In both of these places, I was taught to respect other people's religion and not to question the beliefs of others. Religion didn't play a large role in most conversations (except the Mormon missionaries). And in Singapore, saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing based on your religion (or lack thereof) could get you in trouble with the law.

 

[Cautionary Tail]

I suspect that degree of marginalization is probably location-specific... and I'm not just talking about atheism.

I do think that the general public (here in the States) does afford some degree of priveliged status to Christianity. Look at the last few major elections we've had, and what an issue was made over whether various candidates were Christian or "Christian enough" to hold the office in question. Our economy's tanking, we're at war, and you turn on the presidential debates to find our candidates being grilled about their stance on evolution, what churches they belong to, whether or not they believe people are born gay. I can't see someone outside of the Judeo-Christian box winning the presidency anytime soon in this climate.

 

[JulesMichy]

Polls and statistics can often be misleading. It would do you well to read this entire thread before you accuse anyone of having a privileged mentality. You would then realize that I am an atheist.

Continue on.

I've read the entire thread, I simply didn't keep a tally on exactly who identified as what. I do appreciate the dismissal of both me and my point, though.

If you honestly believe that atheists aren't discriminated against more than a socially-acceptable, majority form of religious belief, then you either aren't "out" to many people or you haven't been paying attention. There is nothing misleading about a statistic that simply states:

"Would you vote for a presidential candidate who is:
- a woman
- black
- gay
- a Muslim
- an atheist"

And the lowest scoring group year after year are the atheists. And before any equivocations about the word atheist having negative connotations, this poll has been repeated with various phrasing, including "does not believe in God" and the results have been the same.

 

[lostbunny]

I do feel that it is good that science shifts with the evidence, I never really saw proof of transitional forms in class though, it seemed like there was one thing then the next and they seemed so different to me. Even skeletons of different species seem vastly different to me. Also, what really got to me was the whole human evolution story with just bits and pieces of skeletons and skulls and even when they made complete skeletons from bits and pieces of different organisms, they still had to add pieces to complete the skeleton. And the first hominid, all they had was a tooth, don't tell me you can build a whole skeleton and muscle tone and all that from a single tooth. No scientist should fall for that one! I just felt a total lack of evidence supporting what they were going full force to show. I believe natural selection is working all the time to shape every living thing on this planet, but I do not believe that the species came from some primordial soup. I have never seen any evidence to back that up.


In the end it all comes down to belief. You either believe that God created everything or you don't. If you do it doesn't make you any better than someone who doesn't, but it does make you different. It is also likely to make you an outcast among many biology major students. That's just a fact of life and I can deal with that.

I find there's a total lack of supporting evidence that Jebus fed 1000 men with 1 fish and 1 piece of bread (along those lines). There's more evidence supporting that pigeons evolved from Archaeopteryx, then a man who rose from the dead, being the most famous and possibly oldest zombie in history.

That aside, I went to Catholic school for primary and high school (in Canada our Catholic schools are public, govn't funded, and have really good educational systems... so its very very different then from the US) and I always believed that God was a man in the sky that granted your wishes if you prayed hard enough. Though one that always got me was why are there are innocent people around the world who grew up in places and seen things that no child should ever have to experience. Why did I get to grow up in fortunate, safe suburb and had every opportunity to succeed while someone across an ocean had to work since age 5 making $0.05 per hour to only eat half a bowl of rice each day. Why did God give me the benefit and some other kid the **** end of the deal. Why should a child have to prove to God in such a harsh way that he's worthy of going to heaven?

I feel I was lucky enough to make my own choice, having learned about Jebus and God from a young age, and had every opportunity to go to church and continue being a practicing Christian- but I chose to believe that we make our own fate, the world isn't fair and that I was lucky to grow up in a safe environment, and hopefully one day I can help those who were unlucky and got the **** stick. I think God is awesome for those who want to live their life by religion, and good on ya.



But after that comment about how evolution is silly, I just had to say.... Jesus is a zombie.

 

[Armymutt25A]

🤣 I'm sorry, what? Polls have consistently revealed that atheists are the least likely minority to be voted for president, considered the least trusthworthy, etc. Typical privileged class mentality. "Why can't we have a WHITE history month? How come there are no STRAIGHT pride parades?"

Dude, an atheist shot the only Catholic president we ever had! We haven't killed any atheists in a few centuries.

 

[bbeventer]

If you honestly believe that atheists aren't discriminated against more than a socially-acceptable, majority form of religious belief, then you either aren't "out" to many people or you haven't been paying attention.

Feel sorry for yourself. If you can't stand the heat get into a church

 

[JulesMichy]

Feel sorry for yourself. If you can't stand the heat get into a church

Dearest, I'll hold up my atheist street cred against yours any day. Last time you spoke at a national skeptic conference?

This isn't about "standing the heat" this is about you denying the heat exists. You are flat out wrong.

 

[racccjlm]

Online and RL are quite different in my experience. In undergrad I lost a lot of 'friends' because of my (de)conversion to atheism. I've stopped talking about it except to very close people (and online) because at times it seems that my very existence offends people since I'm flat-out rejecting what they hold so dear.

It seems like we've had very much the same experience. I was christian through high school and began de-converting in undergrad. Friends that I thought were friends stopped talking to me. It is very lonely living in a city where religion (especially christianity) is so prevalent. I constantly feel as if I am biting my tongue, and watching what I say because "faith" is such a touchy subject. If I say ANYTHING contrary to what they believe, it's like I'm attacking their very essence, and therefore am a terrible person. I'm not antagonistic, I'm definitely not confrontational, and therefore life can be quite frustrating. I need to buck up and learn to express my views without worry. But I just got over the intense guilt of not believing. Baby steps. 😀

 

[Minnerbelle]

Dude, an atheist shot the only Catholic president we ever had! We haven't killed any atheists in a few centuries.

I like the way you think

 

[bbeventer]

Dude, an atheist shot the only Catholic president we ever had! We haven't killed any atheists in a few centuries.

👍

 

[Armymutt25A]

I like the way you think

You might regret that statement later. The old brain gets a little weird at times. Too much exposure to reality has made me somewhat socially unacceptable. People often dislike having their views systematically deconstructed and soundly destroyed. They should be happy - they have been paying me lots of money for the past 5 years to do precisely that. Well, and come up with really good plans too. I have more fun with the former. I try to keep the bayonet sheathed here.

 

[lostbunny]

I think you are ALL missing the point here.... does no one see the *bigger picture*?! does it not phase anyone else but me, that Jesus is a zombie!?!?!? seriously you people are all crazy.....

 

[Alhazred]

I think you are ALL missing the point here.... does no one see the *bigger picture*?! does it not phase anyone else but me, that Jesus is a zombie!?!?!? seriously you people are all crazy.....

He can't be a zombie, zombies want to eat you. Jesus wants you to eat him.

Y'know, communion.

 

[bbeventer]

I think you are ALL missing the point here.... does no one see the *bigger picture*?! does it not phase anyone else but me, that Jesus is a zombie!?!?!? seriously you people are all crazy.....

As long as I can't get bit and become a zombie as well... all is good.

 

[Dsmoody23]

 

[JulesMichy]

I always thought that whole transubstantiation thing was creepy as hell. I mean, these people want to protect kids from teh gay while telling them that they're eating human flesh and drinking blood? Priorities.

 

[Armymutt25A]

So what do atheists use as their moral guide? Seeing as they don't believe in a power higher than mankind, then what authority are their beliefs rooted in?

 

[breenie]

Am I the only one having a hard time not getting his troll on and starting a Christian Vegan Veterinarian thread?

No. All my will power...

 

[bbeventer]

So what do atheists use as their moral guide? Seeing as they don't believe in a power higher than mankind, then what authority are their beliefs rooted in?

All religions essential have the same moral code. If there is only 1 god how can this be? People are essential good and in general know right from wrong.

 

[lostbunny]

So what do atheists use as their moral guide? Seeing as they don't believe in a power higher than mankind, then what authority are their beliefs rooted in?

Rule #1: Cardio
- If you're not light on your feet, most likely you're going to die in ZombieLand. So if you got some pounds hanging off of you find some shelter and a treadmil.

Rule #2: Beware of Bathrooms
- Really not just bathrooms any good apocalyptic zombie survivor should know better then going into a bathroom, small closet or any other small room with only one way in or out. Only thing stupider to go into then a bathroom is a movie theater. Lots of places to run around before you get eaten.

Rule #3: SeatBelts.
- Its a safe bet unless your a complete dumb dumb ( see rule #7 ) your not going to be hoofing it on foot in the event of a zombie outbreak. So when travelling on four wheels wear your seat belt. Nothing worse then finding yourself ejected out of your car into the loving and oh so hungry arms of zombies.

Rule #4: DoubleTap
- Carrying a gun is a great idea but it should never be your primary weapon. When you do end up using it for that last minute 'oh ****' moment remember to double tap. Its an emergency and thats why your using it and not your cricket bat so why skimp? One bullet more in the head will go a long way to ensuring your survival.

Rule #5: No attachments
- This is a tough one but you can not have attachments. If you got kids or a wife your less likely to survive then the gal or guy who has no attachments and nothing slowing him or her down. Or worse yet making bonehead decisions like 'going back into the room'

Rule #6: Travel in a Group
- The best way to increase your odds of survival when travelling in a zombie outbreak is to make sure your a traveling buffet. Going it alone gives the zombies no choices but to eat you. Going it with the old man with the limp, the little kid who cant run and the middle aged woman with the plastic leg gives the zombies more options and you better odds you can run away faster then they can.

Rule #7: Keep the Dumb Dumbs close at hand
- One of the most sure fire ways of making sure you survive is keeping the less intelligent as close at hand as possible. When you find somebody who asks you 'Whats going on? What Happened? Those are the ones you want with you. That way when the zombies come they are likely to stupid to realize its not Amway calling and run.

Rule #8: Kill with Efficiency
- Its not about pretty its about efficiency. Alot of folks run for the gun cabinet where as the truly savvy go looking for the most blunt and effective way to destroy the brain. That can be anything from a baseball bat... to a toilet lid! Kill with Efficiency... dont use weapons that need something to work and use weapons you can swing over and over and over again. You dont tend to run into 1 zombie at a time.

Rule #9: Guns are for hunting, Not for Zombie Killing
- This one is simple. Guns need bullets. When your running who has time to stop for bullets? Keeping a shotgun with buckshot on hand is important but only when your pinned in and need a quick getaway. Its not a proper means for killing zombies as they run out of ammo and need reloading. Remember a Cricket Bat, or Toilet Lid do not need loading!

Rule #10: Be quiet
- Its the end of the world as you know it so try to avoid squeeling like a 4th grade school girl and perhaps invest in some good sneakers. Nobody said you have to kill all the zombies and there is certainly no shame in sneaking around and surviving versus tearing around like a madman and ending up being an undead happy meal.

(Rules 11 through 14 not mentioned)

Rule #15: Know your way out!
- Nothing worse then a poorly planned escape. If your going to be a hero its always a good idea to plan ahead and as the rule states.. know your way out!

(Rule 16 not mentioned)

Rule #17: Don't Be a Hero
- The hot chick who was totally gonna give you some is not worth becoming the undead. So when the going gets rough and the hot chick is about to get undead... its time to flee. No making a stand no ending up a brave zombie. Better to be a chicken liver live guy.

Rule #18: Limber Up
- When either fighting a zombie or running from zombies its not a great time to be pulling a muscle or throwing your back out. So limbering up is kind of a must. Stretch it out a little.. it may save your life.

Rule #19: Blend In
- Much as Shaun did in Shaun of the Dead its important to blend in. Whens the last time you saw a zombie try to eat another zombie? not easily done but with the right odor and smearing of goo on your face it can happen.

Rule #20: Find the Right Shelter
- Shelter is key to survival but since we are already travelling in a group you should ask yourself why the shelter needs to be stationary. For me a motor home or large all terrain vehicle that seats a half dozen would do nicely. Plus when zombies arrive in your neighbourhood there is no last minute scramble to pack and leave. Just put it in drive and roll!

Rule #21: Zombies Can't Climb Walls (a.k.a Find Higher ground)
- Much like you have never seen a zombie eat another zombie whens the last time you saw a zombie climb a wall? Well other then the debacle that was the remake of Day of the Dead which had spiderman zombies. Zombies can climb so find high ground if you do need to stop.

Rule #22: Be Ruthless!!
- Much like having no attachments being ruthless is key. When your bride turns into the undead, reach for the lid to the toilet seat and be ruthless. The weak and compassionate will not survive in the world of the undead.

Rule #23: God Bless Rednecks (a.k.a Be Thankful the World has Rednecks)
- Rednecks are loud, brash, well armed and ready to kick ass now and ask questions later. So when a redneck shows up in your group half drunk and rumbling louder then your humvee welcome him. Sure rednecks can attract zombies but they also are well armed and kill a whole lot of em when they do come for dinner. Best of all they are good bait for you to make your exit while he is making a mess of the zombies and before he realizes he just ran out of bullets and does the happy meal groan.

Rule #24: No Drinking
- This one should be pretty plain obvious. Escaping zombies is tough enough as it is. How well do you think you will do after downing a couple shots of Jack Daniels? Drinking is not a good survival tactic.

(Rules 25 - 30 not mentioned)

Rule #31: Check the Backseat
- I cant tell you how many times somebody has eaten it or in this case been eaten because they are just not smart enough to check the back seat. Always check the back seat friends. Always!

Rule #32: Enjoy the Little things
- Its the end of the world. Dont sweat the small stuff. Loot a neighbourhood or two, trash a car, speed! Do the little things and enjoy em. Who knows how long you have to live!


(reference: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1306049/pg1 )

 

[bbeventer]

Rule #1: Cardio
- If you're not light on your feet, most likely you're going to die in ZombieLand. So if you got some pounds hanging off of you find some shelter and a treadmil.

Rule #2: Beware of Bathrooms
- Really not just bathrooms any good apocalyptic zombie survivor should know better then going into a bathroom, small closet or any other small room with only one way in or out. Only thing stupider to go into then a bathroom is a movie theater. Lots of places to run around before you get eaten.

Rule #3: SeatBelts.
- Its a safe bet unless your a complete dumb dumb ( see rule #7 ) your not going to be hoofing it on foot in the event of a zombie outbreak. So when travelling on four wheels wear your seat belt. Nothing worse then finding yourself ejected out of your car into the loving and oh so hungry arms of zombies.

Rule #4: DoubleTap
- Carrying a gun is a great idea but it should never be your primary weapon. When you do end up using it for that last minute 'oh ****' moment remember to double tap. Its an emergency and thats why your using it and not your cricket bat so why skimp? One bullet more in the head will go a long way to ensuring your survival.

Rule #5: No attachments
- This is a tough one but you can not have attachments. If you got kids or a wife your less likely to survive then the gal or guy who has no attachments and nothing slowing him or her down. Or worse yet making bonehead decisions like 'going back into the room'

Rule #6: Travel in a Group
- The best way to increase your odds of survival when travelling in a zombie outbreak is to make sure your a traveling buffet. Going it alone gives the zombies no choices but to eat you. Going it with the old man with the limp, the little kid who cant run and the middle aged woman with the plastic leg gives the zombies more options and you better odds you can run away faster then they can.

Rule #7: Keep the Dumb Dumbs close at hand
- One of the most sure fire ways of making sure you survive is keeping the less intelligent as close at hand as possible. When you find somebody who asks you 'Whats going on? What Happened? Those are the ones you want with you. That way when the zombies come they are likely to stupid to realize its not Amway calling and run.

Rule #8: Kill with Efficiency
- Its not about pretty its about efficiency. Alot of folks run for the gun cabinet where as the truly savvy go looking for the most blunt and effective way to destroy the brain. That can be anything from a baseball bat... to a toilet lid! Kill with Efficiency... dont use weapons that need something to work and use weapons you can swing over and over and over again. You dont tend to run into 1 zombie at a time.

Rule #9: Guns are for hunting, Not for Zombie Killing
- This one is simple. Guns need bullets. When your running who has time to stop for bullets? Keeping a shotgun with buckshot on hand is important but only when your pinned in and need a quick getaway. Its not a proper means for killing zombies as they run out of ammo and need reloading. Remember a Cricket Bat, or Toilet Lid do not need loading!

Rule #10: Be quiet
- Its the end of the world as you know it so try to avoid squeeling like a 4th grade school girl and perhaps invest in some good sneakers. Nobody said you have to kill all the zombies and there is certainly no shame in sneaking around and surviving versus tearing around like a madman and ending up being an undead happy meal.

(Rules 11 through 14 not mentioned)

Rule #15: Know your way out!
- Nothing worse then a poorly planned escape. If your going to be a hero its always a good idea to plan ahead and as the rule states.. know your way out!

(Rule 16 not mentioned)

Rule #17: Don't Be a Hero
- The hot chick who was totally gonna give you some is not worth becoming the undead. So when the going gets rough and the hot chick is about to get undead... its time to flee. No making a stand no ending up a brave zombie. Better to be a chicken liver live guy.

Rule #18: Limber Up
- When either fighting a zombie or running from zombies its not a great time to be pulling a muscle or throwing your back out. So limbering up is kind of a must. Stretch it out a little.. it may save your life.

Rule #19: Blend In
- Much as Shaun did in Shaun of the Dead its important to blend in. Whens the last time you saw a zombie try to eat another zombie? not easily done but with the right odor and smearing of goo on your face it can happen.

Rule #20: Find the Right Shelter
- Shelter is key to survival but since we are already travelling in a group you should ask yourself why the shelter needs to be stationary. For me a motor home or large all terrain vehicle that seats a half dozen would do nicely. Plus when zombies arrive in your neighbourhood there is no last minute scramble to pack and leave. Just put it in drive and roll!

Rule #21: Zombies Can't Climb Walls (a.k.a Find Higher ground)
- Much like you have never seen a zombie eat another zombie whens the last time you saw a zombie climb a wall? Well other then the debacle that was the remake of Day of the Dead which had spiderman zombies. Zombies can climb so find high ground if you do need to stop.

Rule #22: Be Ruthless!!
- Much like having no attachments being ruthless is key. When your bride turns into the undead, reach for the lid to the toilet seat and be ruthless. The weak and compassionate will not survive in the world of the undead.

Rule #23: God Bless Rednecks (a.k.a Be Thankful the World has Rednecks)
- Rednecks are loud, brash, well armed and ready to kick ass now and ask questions later. So when a redneck shows up in your group half drunk and rumbling louder then your humvee welcome him. Sure rednecks can attract zombies but they also are well armed and kill a whole lot of em when they do come for dinner. Best of all they are good bait for you to make your exit while he is making a mess of the zombies and before he realizes he just ran out of bullets and does the happy meal groan.

Rule #24: No Drinking
- This one should be pretty plain obvious. Escaping zombies is tough enough as it is. How well do you think you will do after downing a couple shots of Jack Daniels? Drinking is not a good survival tactic.

(Rules 25 - 30 not mentioned)

Rule #31: Check the Backseat
- I cant tell you how many times somebody has eaten it or in this case been eaten because they are just not smart enough to check the back seat. Always check the back seat friends. Always!

Rule #32: Enjoy the Little things
- Its the end of the world. Dont sweat the small stuff. Loot a neighbourhood or two, trash a car, speed! Do the little things and enjoy em. Who knows how long you have to live!


(reference: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1306049/pg1 )

This gave me a very good laugh! 😀

 

[Alhazred]

😛

 

[Armymutt25A]

Whales have a pelvis. Why would God give a pelvis to something with no legs?

Where have you seen a whale with a pelvis? I've seen a half dozen whale skeletons and have about 20 fossilized whale bones. A pelvis, being rather large, should be present in the fossil record in some way. I haven't seen anything close to that. I don't consider a vertebra with a couple of bones hanging off of it a pelvis.

 

[lostbunny]

Go whales!

 

[Armymutt25A]

All religions essential have the same moral code. If there is only 1 god how can this be? People are essential good and in general know right from wrong.

You failed to answer the question. People are not essentially good - what ever that means without a code of behavior issued from a higher power. If you believe that, you have been living a very sheltered life. What determines right and wrong? These are moral discriminators and require some sort of guidance to back them up. What is the source of this guidance?

 

[lostbunny]

Dsmoody23

You should find a demotivational of a whale zombie. Considering you have amazing demotivational finding skills. Epic.

 

[Armymutt25A]

Go whales!

Um, that's not a pelvis - the function of the pelvis is to protect the organs used for digestion and for reproduction. They are a couple of bones suspended in the tissue. You could just as easily call them leg bones.

 

[breenie]

Um, that's not a pelvis - the function of the pelvis is to protect the organs used for digestion and for reproduction. They are a couple of bones suspended in the tissue. You could just as easily call them leg bones.

I think the point was there was once a pelvis. Homologous structure. By your definition it's not a pelvis, but it used to be one.

 

[squirrelsrule]

I've read the entire thread, I simply didn't keep a tally on exactly who identified as what. I do appreciate the dismissal of both me and my point, though.

If you honestly believe that atheists aren't discriminated against more than a socially-acceptable, majority form of religious belief, then you either aren't "out" to many people or you haven't been paying attention. There is nothing misleading about a statistic that simply states:

"Would you vote for a presidential candidate who is:
- a woman
- black
- gay
- a Muslim
- an atheist"

And the lowest scoring group year after year are the atheists. And before any equivocations about the word atheist having negative connotations, this poll has been repeated with various phrasing, including "does not believe in God" and the results have been the same.

It seems like the poll would naturally get more nos for atheists. No one is afraid to say that they won't vote for an atheist, but who's gonna put down that they discriminate against women and wouldn't vote for a woman, or are racist and wouldn't vote for a black. Plus with all the movements that being gay is OK, I don't think it is anywhere near the issue it used to be and is pretty much a nonissue for most. Then people aren't gonna say they wouldn't vote for someone just because they are muslim because that seems more like discrimination. But to not vote for someone because they do not believe in God, that doesn't really seem like discrimination to most so they'd say no they wouldn't vote for an atheist.

In reality, though, I think the other groups are discrimintated against as well. We have never had a female president, Obama is our first black president, and have there been any muslim or gay presidents? I don't think so. So, in reality I think most of the groups are discriminated against.

 

[Coquette22]

I don't consider a vertebra with a couple of bones hanging off of it a pelvis.

Because it's vestigial, it doesn't count? 😕 The pelvis is severely reduced, yes, but it's still there. My point was simply that there's no good reason for those bones that I can see, except as vestigial from the process of evolution from a tetrapod ancestor.

This is discussing manatees, but I think the point is the same.

Several groups of marine mammals evolved from four-legged ancestors during the Tertiary. Fossil sirenians dating to the Eocene and Miocene document several stages in the overall transition from terrestrial to fully aquatic lifestyle, including complete loss of the external hindlimb as part of a series of adaptations for body streamlining (51). Modern manatees have a vestigial pelvic apparatus consisting of small, free-floating, paired pelvic bones located in the body-wall musculature and lacking the femur, tibia, fibula, tarsals, and digits (51, 52). The left–right pelvic pairs studied here clearly show significant directional asymmetry. Both the direction of asymmetry and the overall proportion of animals that show greater pelvic size on the left than on the right side closely resemble the morphological features of Pitx1-mediated pelvic reduction seen in mice and sticklebacks.

http://www.pnas.org/content/103/37/13753.full#ref-39

And links to 3 textbooks referring to the structure as a pelvis:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=T5W5kGwvaH4C&lpg=PA60&dq=whale%20pelvis&pg=PA60#v=onepage&q=whale%20pelvis&f=false

http://books.google.ca/books?id=fqg...is&pg=PA1329#v=onepage&q=whale pelvis&f=false

http://books.google.ca/books?id=UCU...vis&pg=PA341#v=onepage&q=whale pelvis&f=false

 

[Coquette22]

I think the point was there was once a pelvis. Homologous structure. By your definition it's not a pelvis, but it used to be one.

Thank you for summing up so nicely what I was trying to say. 👍

 

[Cautionary Tail]

Plus with all the movements that being gay is OK, I don't think it is anywhere near the issue it used to be and is pretty much a nonissue for most.

Eh, have there been major improvements in recent years? Yes. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it a non-issue.

 

[Bigcatlover]

You failed to answer the question. People are not essentially good - what ever that means without a code of behavior issued from a higher power. If you believe that, you have been living a very sheltered life. What determines right and wrong? These are moral discriminators and require some sort of guidance to back them up. What is the source of this guidance?

I for one live by the golden rule: I treat people well because that's how I want to be treated, I don't steal b/c I wouldn't want to be stolen from etc. etc.
And just a strong desire to be a good person, no religion involved whatsoever

To be honest, it seems better to me to have morals based on the things mentioned above as opposed to just not wanting to go to hell.....

 

[Bisbee]

Armymutt-The way that atheists (or any good people for that matter) know right from wrong comes from within. As humans, we have empathy for other humans. This means we can put ourselves into the place of another person and know how the other person feels. We see this with even small children when they take a toy away from a friend and the friend cries. The child stops and stares and comes to realize, sometimes after several similar situations, that the other child is sad. They then give the toy back or hug or do something to make up. We basically treat others the way we would like to be treated. We don't like to see other people upset or in pain. Sometimes it's hard, of course, when things get complicated with conflicts of interest and ethical choices. That is hard for everyone...there is no book written and no set of rules that can address every situation that can arise. But atheists are no different than religious people in trying to use our inner conscience to guide us. We do not need an outside god to tell us what is right or wrong. We know that if someone hits us that it hurts, so we don't hit others because we don't want them to hurt. We know it hurts us if someone takes our belongings, so we don't steal things from others because we don't want to hurt them. We know how disappointed we feel when someone lies to us, so we don't lie to others so they will not feel disappointed. We know right from wrong through our interaction with others and through our own feelings when we have been hurt by others. Simple as that.

 

[Bisbee]

BigCat-yes...you said it while I was writing my response!

 

[lostbunny]

Well said Bisbee
👍

 

[Bigcatlover]

BigCat-yes...you said it while I was writing my response!

lol, I think you said it a lot more eloquently anyway🙂