Class of 2019...how ya doing?

Veterinary Science Graduate Certificate from UofI
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pinkpuppy9 said:
I feel awful for the half of my class who won't have diagnostics until after the NAVLE.
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I was bummed when I saw this was my last rotation of vet school. Honestly, it doesn't make a difference.
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DVMDream said:
I think they are meaning pathology.

Our pathology rotation was part "diagnostics" you'd get necropsy in the afternoon and diagnostics/making blood smears in the morning
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Ah! I’m taking large animal path, because it’s one of the state labs too, so you get a little of everything, including small animals.
 
We've been getting inundated with job postings being emailed to us by one of our deans...I usually ignore them because they're mostly central Illinois jobs (no thanks.). Today we got one for an Arizona hospital chain that sounds pretty nice and the salary was awesome. They're wanting students to apply now, but I'd want to see how I fare in the match first. But wow, just a hair under a six figure salary for my first job? Never would have expected that, but I guess I'm just desensitized to the idea of getting an intern salary for the first few years out. They even see exotics, so that's a huge plus.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
We've been getting inundated with job postings being emailed to us by one of our deans...I usually ignore them because they're mostly central Illinois jobs (no thanks.). Today we got one for an Arizona hospital chain that sounds pretty nice and the salary was awesome. They're wanting students to apply now, but I'd want to see how I fare in the match first. But wow, just a hair under a six figure salary for my first job? Never would have expected that, but I guess I'm just desensitized to the idea of getting an intern salary for the first few years out. They even see exotics, so that's a huge plus.
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99% sure I know which company. Wonder how much they're offering to destroy new grad souls now....
 
Lupin21 said:
Same! Was supposed to take it Nov 13, but that date was filled, so now taking the 19th. Gonna be so very happy to get that outta my hair.
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Woot! And luckily two other gals that I like will be on that day and I booked a hotel room near the center so we just pop up and head over that morning instead of having to drive the hour to OKC. Good stuff. I like it when things slide into place.
 
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I booked my NAVLE date, too. Day before Thanksgiving when I'll be back in the States to take it. It'll be nice to relax for a few days afterwards before my externship starts the next week.
 
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Lupin21 said:
Same! Was supposed to take it Nov 13, but that date was filled, so now taking the 19th. Gonna be so very happy to get that outta my hair.
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I'm taking it Dec. 4th. I registered early enough that I could have done November, but I'd rather get a two days off soft tissue sx than Optho :D
 
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pinkpuppy9 said:
I'm taking it Dec. 4th. I registered early enough that I could have done November, but I'd rather get a two days off soft tissue sx than Optho :D
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We were assigned dates so that people don't take same days off for a rotation. I'll be on surgery as well though. lol
 
Lupin21 said:
We were assigned dates so that people don't take same days off for a rotation. I'll be on surgery as well though. lol
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Ah that's a good idea. Our services get pretty sparse around the NAVLE so I've heard.
 
We started the semester pathology rounds today during which the interdasting lesions found during necropsy are presented to those that chose to come. It has been a while since I've mingled with 1-3rd years. Amazing to think back to first year versus now. I can definitely appreciate the accumulated knowledge. NAVLE studying I'm sure helps too. lol
 
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Lupin21 said:
We started the semester pathology rounds today during which the interdasting lesions found during necropsy are presented to those that chose to come. It has been a while since I've mingled with 1-3rd years. Amazing to think back to first year versus now. I can definitely appreciate the accumulated knowledge. NAVLE studying I'm sure helps too. lol
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I've always loved going to gross rounds! They shifted to doing necropsies in the morning though so now gross rounds are at 2:30 instead of 4:30 and we're always in class :(
 
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I have one more day of shelter med, and I’m not sad to have this rotation end. Mostly due to a personality conflict with a non-student. I did do my first spay with no help today though.

I’m on large animal surgery next, and very much not looking forward to it.
 
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twelvetigers said:
Ew.

The people were okay, I just hated it (naht a horse person) and there was a lot of standing around during surgery and a lot a lot of cleaning up after surgeries.
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I don't mind horses, but I have a feeling the workload is not going to be much with this time of year.
 
Lupin21 said:
I don't mind horses, but I have a feeling the workload is not going to be much with this time of year.
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At least the whole equine barn isn’t shut down because of an EHV horse for the entire rotation. That happened to SEVERAL rotations during my year. They have the area for quarantine... now. Hah.
 
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twelvetigers said:
At least the whole equine barn isn’t shut down because of an EHV horse for the entire rotation. That happened to SEVERAL rotations during my year. They have the area for quarantine... now. Hah.
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That happened once at my school last year. Some people were really happy to miss their entire surgery rotation.
 
twelvetigers said:
At least the whole equine barn isn’t shut down because of an EHV horse for the entire rotation. That happened to SEVERAL rotations during my year. They have the area for quarantine... now. Hah.
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We had a strangles 'scare' a few weeks back with an abuse case (it was mostly just students not even on the same service spreading rumors), but it was just a tooth root abscess. Also always found it weird that we have 12 (I think) equine quarantine stalls but like 2 cages i an extremely small room for all of SA quarantine. I believe there are plans to expand our SA quarantine though.

I really liked my LA blocks (I'm not a 'horse person' but I do love horses), I'm kind of sad that I had them all back to back. I'm in SA land for the rest of the year, save for my zoo externships. I also did get a tonnnnn of experience though, most of my rotation-mates hated horses so I took a ton of cases and got to see a lot.
 
Been going nonstop this week on equine sx. No lunches including yesterday since I had to be on for ICU duty unexpectedly. Enjoying my time though. Treating myself to IHOP this morning as a reward. haha
 
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Am I the only one who REALLY struggles to hear cardiac murmurs? I FEEL like I’ve tried lots of things... listening to recordings of known murmurs (I can often barely hear them), listening to LOTS of hearts (my OWN DOG has a grade 2 systolic, I can’t hear it), listening to as many normal hearts as I can get my stethoscope on. And I STILL feel like I’m doing a disservice to my future patients because I don’t know if I’d EVER be confident enough to call a murmur. I had my hearing checked last summer and it was fine. Does anyone have any thoughts or advice??
 
calvin89 said:
Am I the only one who REALLY struggles to hear cardiac murmurs? I FEEL like I’ve tried lots of things... listening to recordings of known murmurs (I can often barely hear them), listening to LOTS of hearts (my OWN DOG has a grade 2 systolic, I can’t hear it), listening to as many normal hearts as I can get my stethoscope on. And I STILL feel like I’m doing a disservice to my future patients because I don’t know if I’d EVER be confident enough to call a murmur. I had my hearing checked last summer and it was fine. Does anyone have any thoughts or advice??
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I had a dog on neuro rotation that had a grade 3 heart murmur... it stayed hospitalized for 5 days I think. I finally could hear that murmur and recognize it on day 4... it takes time. I listened to that dog 4-5 times per day for minutes at a time.

A heart murmur, to me, sounds very similar to breath sounds so any panting/shaking/etc makes it harder to hear them. Even an owner petting the dog makes it harder sometimes.

Practice. If you get a hospitalized patient with one listen to it....constantly

That's about the best advice I can give.

Ask the intern/resident/clinician where they are hearing it at on the dog best, grade, etc, then ask if you can have a few minutes to just listen.
 
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yeah, I just keep listening, plus with different stethoscopes, until I get it down for murmurs. I am decent at it now with pretty much any stethoscope.

Sadly, I am still the angel of death when I'm on emergency duty. :(
 
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calvin89 said:
Am I the only one who REALLY struggles to hear cardiac murmurs? I FEEL like I’ve tried lots of things... listening to recordings of known murmurs (I can often barely hear them), listening to LOTS of hearts (my OWN DOG has a grade 2 systolic, I can’t hear it), listening to as many normal hearts as I can get my stethoscope on. And I STILL feel like I’m doing a disservice to my future patients because I don’t know if I’d EVER be confident enough to call a murmur. I had my hearing checked last summer and it was fine. Does anyone have any thoughts or advice??
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Definitely don't feel bad if you can't hear a grade 2, because you have to be in the exact right spot to hear it. If there is an animal with a known low grade murmur, have a doctor or classmate find it for you, and then just take the ear parts of the stethoscope, while they hold the bell in the same place. It does take time and a lot of practice. Keep a look out for high grade murmurs like a 5 or 6, after you hear one of those, it will make hearing the more subtle ones easier.
 
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My match anxiety is getting real...
 
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First actual surgery on anesthesia and it lasted over 6 hours. It also wasn't an easy case. The patient was super painful and light for the first 2 hours no matter what we did. He was ok for the next 2 hours, then tanked the last 2. Anesthesia makes me so nervous that I shut down, this case certainly didn't help.
 
WildZoo said:
Oh interesting. What led you to that decision?
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Tbh most of it was the fact that I'm not competitive GPA-wise...no point in wasting my money/ranks when I'm fairly confident they'd toss me based on my GPA alone. The Illinois grading system makes it really hard. Hell, most of my class is probably under a 3.0! Combo that with the general consensus telling me that academia internships actually can really suck in terms of experience and whatnot...I just figured it wasn't worth it given the gamble you take. I know a few schools had to scramble last year and I wouldn't say no if I was also scrambling. I've talked to what feels like 100 people about it...most clinicians/mentor-types have told me that private practice internships tend to be more standardized than academia (which is counterintuitive imo, but it made sense once it was explained to me) and I like the idea of that.

I've got a few private practices I'm really liking the sound of for my first internship, and my local zoo's head vet is going to push for funding to get a zoo internship program so I can be her first intern in 2020 (not holding my breath, but you never know).

I also am taking my fiance into account, he has a salary we can both live off of and then some so I'm trying not to interfere there. If I have to move, I have to move, but it would be nice to just have to worry about working and loan payments :p

Skimble said:
First actual surgery on anesthesia and it lasted over 6 hours. It also wasn't an easy case. The patient was super painful and light for the first 2 hours no matter what we did. He was ok for the next 2 hours, then tanked the last 2. Anesthesia makes me so nervous that I shut down, this case certainly didn't help.
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I like the pharmacology aspect of anesthesia, but that's it. Granted, with zoo/wildlife/exotic animals, they also hate anesthesia so things are often rocky at some point during a procedure, if not during the whole thing. Adds a lot of stress to everything.
 
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pinkpuppy9 said:
I like the pharmacology aspect of anesthesia, but that's it. Granted, with zoo/wildlife/exotic animals, they also hate anesthesia so things are often rocky at some point during a procedure, if not during the whole thing. Adds a lot of stress to everything.
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I helped with an avian anesthesia lab over the weekend, and even though it was pigeons and they aren't exactly fragile, I feel like we might as well have just hooked everything up to a ventilator because they'll be damned if they're gonna breathe on their own :yeahright:

pinkpuppy9 said:
Tbh most of it was the fact that I'm not competitive GPA-wise...no point in wasting my money/ranks when I'm fairly confident they'd toss me based on my GPA alone. The Illinois grading system makes it really hard. Hell, most of my class is probably under a 3.0! Combo that with the general consensus telling me that academia internships actually can really suck in terms of experience and whatnot...I just figured it wasn't worth it given the gamble you take. I know a few schools had to scramble last year and I wouldn't say no if I was also scrambling. I've talked to what feels like 100 people about it...most clinicians/mentor-types have told me that private practice internships tend to be more standardized than academia (which is counterintuitive imo, but it made sense once it was explained to me) and I like the idea of that.

I've got a few private practices I'm really liking the sound of for my first internship, and my local zoo's head vet is going to push for funding to get a zoo internship program so I can be her first intern in 2020 (not holding my breath, but you never know).

I also am taking my fiance into account, he has a salary we can both live off of and then some so I'm trying not to interfere there. If I have to move, I have to move, but it would be nice to just have to worry about working and loan payments :p
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Good info! I still don't know if I'll be going straight into the internship route after school (I may get sucked into PhD land...) but gathering opinions from many people helps.
 
Skimble said:
First actual surgery on anesthesia and it lasted over 6 hours. It also wasn't an easy case. The patient was super painful and light for the first 2 hours no matter what we did. He was ok for the next 2 hours, then tanked the last 2. Anesthesia makes me so nervous that I shut down, this case certainly didn't help.
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Best to get some difficult ones rather than not and be uncertain what to do in practice... ;)
 
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WildZoo said:
I helped with an avian anesthesia lab over the weekend, and even though it was pigeons and they aren't exactly fragile, I feel like we might as well have just hooked everything up to a ventilator because they'll be damned if they're gonna breathe on their own :yeahright:


Good info! I still don't know if I'll be going straight into the internship route after school (I may get sucked into PhD land...) but gathering opinions from many people helps.
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What do you want a PhD in? I think that's awesome!
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
What do you want a PhD in? I think that's awesome!
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Currently working on amphibian histopath things, may try to find a way to integrate some of that with repro stuff...it's still in the early stages but I think part of my brain has decided that's what I'm going to do.
 
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Nothing like doing a surgery in the morning and having to go back at night again for something different for the same patient. Luckily I had just enough time to ingest a rotisserie chicken (five minutes for a new record) before having to go back in. haha
 
struggling to concentrate and read through things for next rotation. Also have the 5-12 ICU shift tonight before test over things I am not reading at 7 tomorrow morning. I think they knew I am on tonight though because they didn't assign me any appointments for tomorrow. Either that or fortuitous luck. haha
 
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