Countdown 2.5: Quarter Century Crisis (TOWN WIN)

[Animal Midwife]

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@Animal Midwife if you're that convinced Cubs is a wolf, then why are you voting for Ms P

Because I'm voting him last.

 

[cubsrule4e]

- I don't understand why people are afraid of AM. Wolf points to Alissa for that, especially.

- I think the KC votes from yesterday were crap

- Cubs acting defeated and talking about favoritism is much more likely to be non-village Cubs than village Cubs, although that makes me sad to say. Agree with the discussion that it's quite a switch for him to go from the strong wolf hunting D1 last game to saying it doesn't matter & is rigged.

- this is NOT meant as angleshoot-y, please don't kill me...I had thought Sunbodi was acting weirdly quiet before she subbed out. Maybe illness can explain that, maybe not...but I don't feel that Lawper's posts have been overwhelmingly village either.

- Getting some mild 3P pocket vibes from Dubz, who seems like she doesn't want AM to die. And yes, I know I said I thought AM was village too

Have a whole bunch of quotes pulled that I'll respond to next.

lol I said the first post was rigged. A D1 joke. No one even gets me anymore.

 

[PippyPony]

Lynch sunbodi - RNG

Awfully lucky player for "RNG" to land on considering her village performance in Soccer

The funniest part was that you were actually a wolf that game 😛

Emoji use feels a little off, w/w point

She was sneaky in the noob game and good at slipping through the cracks so I figured it'd be a good place for an early D1 vote.

She also voted Cubs based on a rule that she didn't understand and even after it was explained I didn't see her change it which feels opportunistic to me.

This sounds logical, but it also sounds really thought out for an early vote

Hi! Yeah no not really you got on my case last game for joke voting. I had a joke vote earlier and removed it as we got closer to lynch close. I thought I justified my vote pretty well. Your posts are making me uncomfortable. Then again, you always make me uncomfortable lol

AM makes wolves uncomfortable. Are you a wolf, Alissa?

Not anymore *sigh* she does scare me a little. Like not enough to haunt me as I sleep, but still scary lol

Scary in what way?

Threatening? YOU can make her be lynched? This overconfidence is not normal AM.

Yes it 100% is

You dont inhale cigars. #grandmafail

I did this once by accident because I was laughing, and it was terrible lol

I think there is a sketchy nontown player among AM, KC and WZ.

Ok so KC is gone and was town, and so that leaves AM and Dubz. Which one and why?

Because this kinda feels like you are just picking strong vocal players and saying they are sketchy, and I am not a fan of that.

Well this IS an FTF game rigged in your favor, so point taken.

Honestly I would mod kill you for this shiz. Please stop.

AM did you tag me to try and see if I would change my vote? I am just noting here that kc would die whether I change my vote to her or not. I did not feel very wolfy about her today so I don't want to change my vote. Let it be known.

Wtf?

Let's keep in mind that I haven't actually given a village read to anyone other than Alissa yet and I already stated as much. Knowing that there are multiple 3ps and that 3p play can be harder to distinguish from village play makes me hesitant to kick anyone out of my POE too easily. So as I said, more thoughts when I get a chance to reread, but let's keep accusations in line with things I have actually stated.

Seems preemptively defensive -- is there a reason you're worried someone is going to accuse you later of defending someone sketchy?

Here are my thoughts while I’m on a quick lunch break:

feeling good about SAR and WZ


Why do I feel like AM could be the blind survivor? She could play this role exceptionally well since she is a strong village player. Still leaning AM towards 3P and unwilling to lynch her at the moment because the longer it takes wolves to reach parity, the better.

mixed feelings about cubs and BC. BC feels Village but BC also never gets an easy village pass from me 😛

neutral about MsP and MDD

honestly most suspicious about those who have low participation... might be easy, especially for those 3P roles out there, to hide

especially would like to hear more from @PippyPony . For some reason my gut is telling me Pippy could be the lightening rod

Your gut is wrong on me. I'm town.

 

[alissa14]

- I don't understand why people are afraid of AM. Wolf points to Alissa for that, especially.

To be fair, I stuck to my lynch vote of her yesterday even though I went back and forth. Also, I’m much less afraid of her after playing a bunch of games with her over discord last night lol.

 

[PippyPony]

lol I said the first post was rigged. A D1 joke. No one even gets me anymore.

Well I dunno, I think I get most of your jokes... but there was also a lot of discussion after that about things not being fair, and that is not my fave flavor of shade

 

[PippyPony]

Because I'm voting him last.

Explain?

 

[alissa14]

1. Awfully lucky player for "RNG" to land on considering her village performance in Soccer

2. AM makes wolves uncomfortable. Are you a wolf, Alissa?

3. Your gut is wrong on me. I'm town.

1. Well I changed my vote. Also sunbodi was switched out so I feel like this is kind of irrelevant (not to say lawps isn’t a good player). If you have a problem with my first lynch vote take it up with the RNG gods

2. Ummm no. I’m not. As I said in my post AM’s 20 questions made me nervous even as a villager because I knew that if I didn’t answer them right, she could get people to mislynch me. So... yeah

3. as I said, gut feeling. do with that what you will.

Honestly Pippy has me leaning her more towards village. I actually appreciate Pippy questioning me because it means she’s not trying to pocket me again (at least for now lol)

 

[cubsrule4e]

Well I dunno, I think I get most of your jokes... but there was also a lot of discussion after that about things not being fair, and that is not my fave flavor of shade

Fair enough.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Explain?

Well, I already said that yesterday so don't want to go weak and just end him today before I find the others.

 

[PippyPony]

Ok so I don't see a huge problem with doing this because this game is semi-open for a reason (aka I could be lying about this and you'll never know...but if you're a wolf, then maybe try to kill a 3P instead, you feel me?)

I'm a town tourist

I default targeted WZ last night and I am alive, so if I'm reading these roles correctly, she is not the PGO

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

Votecount Update 2.0

Roughly 6 hours remain. If the deadline were to hit, @MrsDrDr would be voted out.

Countdown Clock
Votecount Sheet

 

[PippyPony]

Given that the lightning rod wins alone, they should be top priority for everyone tbh

Oracle is probably second priority for everyone because it narrows role-based POE, but don't want to get them too early because it sounds like they expose a living PR...?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Given that the lightning rod wins alone, they should be top priority for everyone tbh

Oracle is probably second priority for everyone because it narrows role-based POE, but don't want to get them too early because it sounds like they expose a living PR...?

Why would Oracle be a concern at all when it's wincon is inclusive?

 

[PippyPony]

Why would Oracle be a concern at all when it's wincon is inclusive?

Oracle is probably second priority for everyone because it narrows role-based POE

It's the only thing in this game acting as a keystone

 

[PippyPony]

Lots of 3rd parties is nice because it's in the wolves best interest AND the village's best interest to get the 3P, and the survivor function means it's in the best interest of the 3rd P's to wolf hunt instead of village hunt

 

[Animal Midwife]

It's the only thing in this game acting as a keystone

Only for wolves though.

 

[PippyPony]

Only for wolves though.

Not true in the slightest.

It is the same as how knowing a mason partner is village can narrow the pool of eels of possible wolves.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Not true in the slightest.

It is the same as how knowing a mason partner is village can narrow the pool of eels of possible wolves.

Surely you wouldn't lynch a mason partner though. It'd be something confirmed by a nightkill.

 

[PippyPony]

For anyone who still doesn't understand this:

Having a living town power role confirmed for a day means that we get at least one day to lynch someone who is NOT a town power role. Which narrows the focus on the other remaining players in the puzzle.

Basically -- Logic Puzzles | How to Solve a Logic Puzzle

 

[PippyPony]

Surely you wouldn't lynch a mason partner though.

Exactly my point.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Exactly my point.

So I'm confused as to why it'd be a priority to anyone but wolves +/- serial killer.

 

[PippyPony]

So I'm confused as to why it'd be a priority to anyone but wolves +/- serial killer.

Ok well I don't know how to explain it any better than that, so if you're confused, read that website I just linked. It's a true/false clue.

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

@Melchizedek has subbed in for @Dinashadow .

 

[alissa14]

Given that the lightning rod wins alone, they should be top priority for everyone tbh

honestly I have to agree with this logic because eliminating the lightning rod increases the likelihood of everyone else winning

Pippy how do you suppose we go about tracking the lightning rod?

My guess is they are someone trying to attract the least attention possible. If I’m reading the role right, they basically have to survive for 5 nights and 5 days to win. Right?

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

gonna go get breakfast now
If I missed any questions or anything else, bring it up to me again privately

 

[BigCats]

What does this mean

It means I’m guessing based off the numbers of deaths last night and the potential kill mechanisms floating around that no one interacted with the PGO and got pew pew’d. I could be wrong and another kill mechanism was blocked or something but that’s what I assume would be the most likely scenario

 

[alissa14]

It means I’m guessing based off the numbers of deaths last night and the potential kill mechanisms floating around that no one interacted with the PGO and got pew pew’d. I could be wrong and another kill mechanism was blocked or something but that’s what I assume would be the most likely scenario

Ohhh I was asking about what PGO meant but I now realize it’s a role lol

 

[SportPonies]

Annnnnd we’re back

 

[Barkley13]

Would like to hear more from @Barkley13 and @Ms Procrastinator about their votes yesterday. Also not comfy with cubs' tone. Alissa has most village points so far.

Those are off the top of my head, more thoughts after a bit of a reread later.

What about my vote? I got busy and wasn’t around to change it

Also more on the aggressive/playing offense side than her typical "reactionary" self.

What does this mean? And can you give me an example of this aggressiveness

Lynch MRS

Why?
And why do you keep posting lynch votes without any reasons attached

# of deaths last night makes me think village vig is already dead or died last night unless someone’s kill was blocked/protected

Also doesn’t look like anyone said hi to the PGO then which is interesting

A bunch of other people already talked about this.... but that’s a lot of assumptions in a game I feel like has a lot of parts

Maybe? I don't think she would have gone at AM the way she did yesterday as non-village. She's scared of her questioning and said as much when she was wolfing last game, I don't think she would have brought that upon herself unless she genuinely thought there was something off about her.

What do you think of her kind of going back and forth on actually following through with a vote on AM?
It didn’t feel totally genuine to me how she was making kind of a big deal about it

especially would like to hear more from @PippyPony . For some reason my gut is telling me Pippy could be the lightening rod

Anything to back this up or literally just gut feels?

why were you not a fan of the cubs votes?

Mostly because I wanted to see him live past day 1 because he dies early a lot. I am kinda sketched out by him now though

 

[Melchizedek]

11 pages........ SINCE YESTERDAY.....wtf people?
Gonna be a long catch-up cuz Dina seemed too busy to keep notes or post any thoughts in the Role PM...

Unlynch anyone dina had lynched




Edit to add: Okay nvmind I see now that Pippy, Dubz, and BC are playing....I'm surprised its not longer

 

[PippyPony]

Pippy how do you suppose we go about tracking the lightning rod?

Well, I guess if we wanted to collectively role solve, we could ask people who targeted others last night to self-identity, because the lightning rod is one of the few roles that does NOT target people until N5 (I think...?)

But I don't know how well that would work

 

[BigCats]

Well, I guess if we wanted to collectively role solve, we could ask people who targeted others last night to self-identity, because the lightning rod is one of the few roles that does NOT target people until N5 (I think...?)

But I don't know how well that would work

Tbh folks would probably lie about that too so idk how well that would work

 

[PippyPony]

Anything to back this up or literally just gut feels?

Did you read the role descriptions on the first page?

 

[PippyPony]

Tbh folks would probably lie about that too so idk how well that would work

Not in the wolves' best interest to hinder this process but you're probably right

 

[WildZoo]

What about my vote? I got busy and wasn’t around to change it

Pretty much what I was asking, since nav never posted

 

[WildZoo]

What do you think of her kind of going back and forth on actually following through with a vote on AM?
It didn’t feel totally genuine to me how she was making kind of a big deal about it

I mentioned yesterday that she got fewer points for it since she hopped off when AM pushed her on it, I'm not sure yet how I would categorize her getting back on. But I still think it leans more village alissa to draw AM's gaze.

 

[WildZoo]

I thought I had multiquoted things to reply to but...those disappeared so...

lynch cubs
not seeing anything to turn around my tone read from yesterday

 

[Barkley13]

Did you read the role descriptions on the first page?

Yes but I have a bad memory

 

[PippyPony]

11 pages........ SINCE YESTERDAY.....wtf people?
Gonna be a long catch-up cuz Dina seemed too busy to keep notes or post any thoughts in the Role PM...

Unlynch anyone dina had lynched




Edit to add: Okay nvmind I see now that Pippy, Dubz, and BC are playing....I'm surprised its not longer

Yo I wasn't even here yesterday to the point where I got an activity warning, so it's not my fault this time 😛

But also no complaining about people playing

 

[WildZoo]

Pippy I think you or someone else had asked me things and I'm not ignoring, just don't have time to go back and find right now (chillin with kdizzle!)

 

[alissa14]

Honestly I’m good with a cubs lynch
Lynch cubs

 

[PippyPony]

Yes but I have a bad memory

Ok well as a reminder, there is nothing listed in there that would really give people info on other roles at night, so I can say with certainty that Alissa doesn't have anything to back up that assertion

(Also it's wrong, but even if it wasn't, it would not be based on evidence lol)

 

[Barkley13]

Ok well as a reminder, there is nothing listed in there that would really give people info on other roles at night, so I can say with certainty that Alissa doesn't have anything to back up that assertion

(Also it's wrong, but even if it wasn't, it would not be based on evidence lol)

Oh I meant anything from the thread that made her think that lol

 

[Melchizedek]

I give up. I am not reading 11 pages.
Quick skimming and a little VCA.
Genny was pretty much village genny d1 and that was confirmed with her flip, so I'm looking closer at Wondering who voted for genny D1 (although Wondering is a noob and possibly not used to The genny Way™)
puts barks more town for me for now.
I'd be okay with a genny gut vote on Navs. That at least sounds like a good idea until I read some more.

Lynch Navs

 

[PippyPony]

I give up. I am not reading 11 pages.

Ok, welcome to my non-village list.

Edit: Jk...I just realized I'm already voting for you 🤣 Nice. 👍

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

I give up. I am not reading 11 pages.
Quick skimming and a little VCA.
Genny was pretty much village genny d1 and that was confirmed with her flip, so I'm looking closer at Wondering who voted for genny D1 (although Wondering is a noob and possibly not used to The genny Way™)
puts barks more town for me for now.
I'd be okay with a genny gut vote on Navs. That at least sounds like a good idea until I read some more.

Lynch Navs

acknowledging this as a vote for dolphin
in the future dont refer to people who have subbed out for your votes

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

oh i never chanegd nav's name on the votecount sheet gdi

 

[Melchizedek]

acknowledging this as a vote for dolphin
in the future dont refer to people who have subbed out for your votes

1. Screw you Darth Vader 😛
2. I hadn't read that Dolphin had replaced him and especially because:

oh i never chanegd nav's name on the votecount sheet gdi

so 3. 😛

 

[Melchizedek]

Honestly I’m good with a cubs lynch
Lynch cubs

Thank you. This was super helpful. Would you like to explain WHY you'd be good with it? Would you be better with another lynch instead?

 

[Melchizedek]

What do you think of her kind of going back and forth on actually following through with a vote on AM?
It didn’t feel totally genuine to me how she was making kind of a big deal about it

I mentioned yesterday that she got fewer points for it since she hopped off when AM pushed her on it, I'm not sure yet how I would categorize her getting back on. But I still think it leans more village alissa to draw AM's gaze.

I'm not sure exactly wha this refers to but I just wolfed with alissa last game and what ever you don't think she has the balls to do......she does......she'll do it. I watched her stand her ground and not let AM push her around last game.