COVID Vaccine Side Effects

[sylvanthus]

Quarantine? Are they worried the vaccine is contagious? If only......

We had an outbreak among staff that ended up on the news, so the bitches be crazy now.

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[sylvanthus]

My state just added a bunch of categories to vaccine-group 1a, including "harbor pilots." Lol. I had to look that one up.

I'll save you the google. Harbor pilot: "A...harbor pilot... is a mariner who maneuvers ships through dangerous or congested waters, such as harbors or river mouths. "

Also, athletic trainers, dieticians, embalmers, hospital sign language and language interpreters and a bunch others.

I guess they finally got tired of vaccine sitting in freezers instead of in deltoids.

I shoulda been a harbor pilot, sounds badass,.

 

[Apollyon]

My state just added a bunch of categories to vaccine-group 1a, including "harbor pilots." Lol. I had to look that one up.

I'll save you the google. Harbor pilot: "A...harbor pilot... is a mariner who maneuvers ships through dangerous or congested waters, such as harbors or river mouths. "

Dramatic much? It is hardly an unknown job, all over the world. Heck, you could go to that big city in the SE of your state, and find it to be a well-represented position.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Dramatic much? It is hardly an unknown job, all over the world. Heck, you could go to that big city in the SE of your state, and find it to be a well-represented position.

Lots of people live in states not on the ocean so could very easily not know what that is. Wouldn't surprise me if plenty of people in the aforementioned state don't know what that is either.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My state just added a bunch of categories to vaccine-group 1a, including "harbor pilots." Lol. I had to look that one up.

I'll save you the google. Harbor pilot: "A...harbor pilot... is a mariner who maneuvers ships through dangerous or congested waters, such as harbors or river mouths. "

Also, athletic trainers, dieticians, embalmers, hospital sign language and language interpreters and a bunch others.

I guess they finally got tired of vaccine sitting in freezers instead of in deltoids.

Harbor pilots are brought onto basically every large ship that enters a given port to guide them into a berthing, including the US Navy. They are exposed to lots of random people in close quarters as part of their job, and unless you want shipping to stop, they are essential.

So it makes sense.

 

[Birdstrike]

Harbor pilots are brought onto basically every large ship that enters a given port to guide them into a berthing, including the US Navy. They are exposed to lots of random people in close quarters as part of their job, and unless you want shipping to stop, they are essential.

So it makes sense.

I had just never heard the term "harbor pilot" and I live less than a mile from the ocean. I'm not down with the sailor lingo, I guess.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I had just never heard the term "harbor pilot" and I live less than a mile from the ocean. I'm not down with the sailor lingo, I guess.

I mean I was literally raised on a boat and never heard the term until I joined the Navy. So it’s not weird to me that you’ve never heard of it.

 

[turkeyjerky]

Sounds like a pretty cool job. How does one become a boat pilot anyway?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Sounds like a pretty cool job. How does one become a boat pilot anyway?

Depends on the state. You usually need a few years service as a sea officer with some org and to pass an exam.

 

[gutonc]

Sounds like a pretty cool job. How does one become a boat pilot anyway?

If you want to be a total badass about it...Columbia River Bar Pilots | Astoria, Oregon

This is pretty much the most difficult/dangerous commercial ship captain job in the US and possibly the world (excepting exposure to pirates in certain parts of the world).

 

[Apollyon]

Sounds like a pretty cool job. How does one become a boat pilot anyway?

It's actually a years-long thing, especially if you are a civilian. I mean, the whole idea is very precise, very local knowledge of the waterway. And, you and your agency take financial responsibility for the watercraft while locally piloting.

 

[CajunMedic]

Sounds like a pretty cool job. How does one become a boat pilot anyway?

Depends on which kind you want to be:

Harbor Pilot: Typically start out as an Able Seaman, and work your way up to a Master's License or go to a maritime academy and become a ship's officer. Take an incredibly detailed test. Typically in Louisiana, you also have to be either politically connected, or have an in at one of the associations that provide pilots for the MS river(it has a total of 3) or Calcasieu river/ship channel. The NOBRA (New Orleans-Baton Rouge) pilots were making 400-500K yearly

Vessel Pilot: for inland towboats, Start as a deckhand and work your way to the wheelhouse, takes about 3-4 years of 6hrs on/6hrs off, 28 on the boat with 14 days off. Couple of weeks of school, radar class, and a written test.

( I was an inland river and intracoastal waterway deckhand WAY before I ever considered medicine)

 

[harvard_of_the_west]

you also have to be either politically connected, or have an in at one of the associations that provide pilots

Yeah, this. I know a guy who's been a ferry boat captain on the San Francisco Bay for over 20 years. He holds a USCG National Master Unlimited License (can captain a vessel of any weight, anywhere). He sat down with someone from the SF Bar Pilots (guide ships in and out of the SF bay and all the way up to Sacramento and Stockton). He told me that at the end of the interview, the interviewer pulled out a sheet of paper with about 40 names on it and asked him who he was related to. He had no formal connections, and was told he'd never have a chance in heck of getting a job as a SF Bar Pilot.

 

[RustedFox]

Depends on which kind you want to be:

Harbor Pilot: Typically start out as an Able Seaman, and work your way up to a Master's License or go to a maritime academy and become a ship's officer. Take an incredibly detailed test. Typically in Louisiana, you also have to be either politically connected, or have an in at one of the associations that provide pilots for the MS river(it has a total of 3) or Calcasieu river/ship channel. The NOBRA (New Orleans-Baton Rouge) pilots were making 400-500K yearly

Vessel Pilot: for inland towboats, Start as a deckhand and work your way to the wheelhouse, takes about 3-4 years of 6hrs on/6hrs off, 28 on the boat with 14 days off. Couple of weeks of school, radar class, and a written test.

( I was an inland river and intracoastal waterway deckhand WAY before I ever considered medicine)

Dude, you sound awesome.

 

[Apollyon]

Dude, you sound awesome.

It's backbreaking work, though, until (mostly) you get the master's license. Everybody has to pay the pound of flesh some time on the way.

 

[RustedFox]

It's backbreaking work, though, until (mostly) you get the master's license. Everybody has to pay the pound of flesh some time on the way.

That only makes him more awesome.

 

[Lawpy]

So for everyone who got both shots, did you use the same arm for both shots? Or did you use your other arm for 2nd shot?

 

[Birdstrike]

So for everyone who got both shots, did you use the same arm for both shots? Or did you use your other arm for 2nd shot?

Same arm. No issues.

 

[bravotwozero]

Same arm. No issues.

Ditto.

 

[Franzd'Epinay]

Depends on which kind you want to be:

Harbor Pilot: Typically start out as an Able Seaman, and work your way up to a Master's License or go to a maritime academy and become a ship's officer. Take an incredibly detailed test. Typically in Louisiana, you also have to be either politically connected, or have an in at one of the associations that provide pilots for the MS river(it has a total of 3) or Calcasieu river/ship channel. The NOBRA (New Orleans-Baton Rouge) pilots were making 400-500K yearly

Vessel Pilot: for inland towboats, Start as a deckhand and work your way to the wheelhouse, takes about 3-4 years of 6hrs on/6hrs off, 28 on the boat with 14 days off. Couple of weeks of school, radar class, and a written test.

( I was an inland river and intracoastal waterway deckhand WAY before I ever considered medicine)

Yeah, this. I know a guy who's been a ferry boat captain on the San Francisco Bay for over 20 years. He holds a USCG National Master Unlimited License (can captain a vessel of any weight, anywhere). He sat down with someone from the SF Bar Pilots (guide ships in and out of the SF bay and all the way up to Sacramento and Stockton). He told me that at the end of the interview, the interviewer pulled out a sheet of paper with about 40 names on it and asked him who he was related to. He had no formal connections, and was told he'd never have a chance in heck of getting a job as a SF Bar Pilot.

I had heard that harbor pilots a) made bank, and b) were incredibly nepotistic, but I never realized the extent for both of these until reading these posts.

 

[anonperson]

So for everyone who got both shots, did you use the same arm for both shots? Or did you use your other arm for 2nd shot?

Same arm.

No problems related to that.

 

[BoardingDoc]

So for everyone who got both shots, did you use the same arm for both shots? Or did you use your other arm for 2nd shot?

Different arms

 

[Cinclus]

I got the second in a different arm after realizing, in the middle of the night, that I got the first shot in my sleepin' arm. Rolled on top of that arm while asleep, and decided right then that the next shot would go into the arm that I don't sleep on top of.

 

[WilcoWorld]

So for everyone who got both shots, did you use the same arm for both shots? Or did you use your other arm for 2nd shot?

Left deltoid both times.

 

[WilcoWorld]

I had heard that harbor pilots a) made bank, and b) were incredibly nepotistic, but I never realized the extent for both of these until reading these posts.

Yeah, my cousin's getting married to a guy who is working towards becoming one in SC. Now that I've read more about it I can't decide if this means he's ambitious and talented or deluded? S'pose he could be both.

 

[southerndoc]

This is reassuring for the vaccine: Variant might partially evade protection from vaccines or prior infection, early research suggests

 

[Nugester]

1/20/21:
1st dose: Got the Pfizer shot about an hour ago. So far so good. Will report at the end of the day.

 

[GeneralVeers]

This is reassuring for the vaccine: Variant might partially evade protection from vaccines or prior infection, early research suggests

Are you being sarcastic? I guess this is reason to keep the public terrified and locked down for another year while we develop a "variant vaccine". Who could have predicted that viruses mutate......

 

[southerndoc]

Are you being sarcastic? I guess this is reason to keep the public terrified and locked down for another year while we develop a "variant vaccine". Who could have predicted that viruses mutate......

Of course I'm being sarcastic. At the rate the virus has been mutating, I have a feeling COVID is going to be around for the long haul (probably until it kills off 20% of the population).

Took a vaccine only for it to possibly not be effective.

 

[Birdstrike]

Are you being sarcastic? I guess this is reason to keep the public terrified and locked down for another year while we develop a "variant vaccine". Who could have predicted that viruses mutate......

I'm old enough to remember posting non-peer reviewed pre-prints were slapped down as worthless.

 

[southerndoc]

I'm old enough to remember posting non-peer reviewed pre-prints were slapped down as worthless.

Seems to be the standard for COVID papers these days.

 

[Birdstrike]

Took a vaccine only for it to possibly not be effective.

In my opinion, it's premature to conclude that the vaccines won't protect against current mutations.

 

[southerndoc]

It's premature to say this.

Premature based on the news source I cited? Yes. Premature based on my feeling of what's going to happen six months from now with future mutations? I don't think so. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's my feeling. Even if it doesn't provide 100% protection, I'm hoping it at least prevents some morbidity.

 

[Birdstrike]

Premature based on the news source I cited? Yes. Premature based on my feeling of what's going to happen six months from now with future mutations? I don't think so. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's my feeling. Even if it doesn't provide 100% protection, I'm hoping it at least prevents some morbidity.

I think the part in bold is likely.

Keep in mind, we don't need the vaccines to protect against every possible mutation, forever. We only need the current vaccines to protect us against the dominant strains long enough to make a new vaccine against the emerging strains. I think there a good chance of that. But, I could be wrong.

Either way, I can't control any of it. I'll let the smart people worry about it.

Regardless, thanks for posting the article.

 

[GeneralVeers]

I think the part in bold is likely.

Keep in mind, we don't need the vaccines to protect against every possible mutation, forever. We only need the current vaccines to protect us against the dominant strains long enough to make a new vaccine against the emerging strains. I think there a good chance of that. But, I could be wrong.

Either way, I can't control any of it. I'll let the smart people worry about it.

Regardless, thanks for posting the article.

Right. This is the approach to flu vaccines. ~6 months of immunity to get through the worst of flu season, and time to develop a vaccine for the following year.

 

[Nugester]

1 day after Pzifer shot: sore arm around the injection site.

 

[killerleaf]

1st dose: arm was very very sore for 3 days. headache, not quite to migraine territory, started about 15 hours from shot, lasted about 24 hours, with ibuprofen on board.
2nd dose: next Tuesday. Hopefully will go better

And I realize that these will not prevent me from getting COVID, just like the shingles vaccine did not prevent me from getting shingles, or the flu shot prevents the flu. However, I do expect it to mitigate the symptoms, so that maybe the odds will shift in my favor, and I will survive the encounter. I do have friends, we have had this conversation. I think they finally are getting the idea...

 

[Birdstrike]

And I realize that these will not prevent me from getting COVID...However, I do expect it to mitigate the symptoms, so that maybe the odds will shift in my favor, and I will survive the encounter. I do have friends, we have had this conversation. I think they finally are getting the idea...

The vaccine probably will prevent you from getting COVID. But I agree with you, in that the most important take home point from the Pfizer-vaccine paper, in my opinion, is not the very impressive 95% likelihood of preventing COVID-19. It's the ability to prevent severe COVID-19. Only 1 patient out of 18,860 in the vaccine group (0.005%), got severe COVID-19. That makes it 99.995% likely to prevent severe infection, which includes death.

I don't care if I get a cold from COVID-19. I do care if I get respiratory failure, organ failure, stroke or death from COVID-19. Take the vaccine and you have essentially a zero percent chance of getting severely ill or dying from COVID-19, once it's taken full effect.

Source: NEJM

 

[Birdstrike]

Overhead at Starbucks today:

Enlightened barista with weird-beard, "bUT I'm wOrRiED aBoUT SIdE efFFEcts frOm the v A C C ! n E . . . "

9-year-old, "By far the most common side effect of the vaccine, is that it gives you a zero percent chance of dying from COVID. Dummy. "

 

[Birdstrike]

Pfizer vaccine appears effective against coronavirus variant found in Britain - study

 

[Groove]

I've spent most of my time lately trying to convince..not patients, but NURSES. Our own damn nurses! I've never seen such a large group of healthcare workers tuned into every conspiracy theory about the vaccine. Most seem to be young women convinced that it's going to make them sterile or mutate their babies.

 

[southerndoc]

I've spent most of my time lately trying to convince..not patients, but NURSES. Our own damn nurses! I've never seen such a large group of healthcare workers tuned into every conspiracy theory about the vaccine. Most seem to be young women convinced that it's going to make them sterile or mutate their babies.

Some just want to do their quarantines and isolation to get time off work. Georgia now has an official DPH policy that if you're in healthcare and have close contact with a COVID person (i.e., family member), you may return to work immediately without any testing so long as you do not have any symptoms.

 

[turkeyjerky]

I've spent most of my time lately trying to convince..not patients, but NURSES. Our own damn nurses! I've never seen such a large group of healthcare workers tuned into every conspiracy theory about the vaccine. Most seem to be young women convinced that it's going to make them sterile or mutate their babies.

It really is astounding. I overheard one the other day saying that she usually only gets the flu vaccine because otherwise the hospital requires she wear a mask during the season, but that since she has to wear a mask anyway now she wasn't going to bother w/ it or the covid vaccine.

 

[bravotwozero]

I've spent most of my time lately trying to convince..not patients, but NURSES. Our own damn nurses! I've never seen such a large group of healthcare workers tuned into every conspiracy theory about the vaccine. Most seem to be young women convinced that it's going to make them sterile or mutate their babies.

Yeah, very disappointing. Nurses spend the most time with patients, and the public trusts them more than us. If they don't take the vaccine, it will erode public confidence in it.

 

[southerndoc]

In my opinion, it's premature to conclude that the vaccines won't protect against current mutations.

There is emerging evidence that vaccination may not provide complete protection against the South African variant (501Y.V2 or B.1.351). This information will make it to news sources soon.

There is also evidence that the B.1.1.7 UK variant is more lethal. As we all know, deaths trail infections by 3-4 weeks. The UK is reporting 1.3% mortality rate instead of the usual 1% mortality rate. While many may argue that 0.3% isn't much, keep in mind that if it infects another 1 million people, that would be an increase of 3,000 people dying. 3,000 mothers, fathers, and brothers/sisters.

Even though the vaccine may find itself having limited ability to provide immunity, I'm hoping that it at least lessens the likelihood of getting a serious illness vs just a minor one. That still makes the vaccine worth it.

On another note, recent CDC modeling predicts that 17% of the population has been infected with COVID. That plus vaccination puts us closer to the 70-80% herd immunity that is necessary to stop the spread.

 

[GeneralVeers]

On another note, recent CDC modeling predicts that 17% of the population has been infected with COVID. That plus vaccination puts us closer to the 70-80% herd immunity that is necessary to stop the spread.

How can 17% be anywhere close to correct? There are 25 million CONFIRMED cases in the US. 17% is assuming that we have captured every case and recorded it. The reality is far north of that. I agree though we are very close to (or at) herd immunity as the overall new infections seems to be declining. The vaccine is helpful in accelerating this trend, but we almost certainly got there naturally.

 

[Franzd'Epinay]

How can 17% be anywhere close to correct? There are 25 million CONFIRMED cases in the US. 17% is assuming that we have captured every case and recorded it.

25M/330M = 7.58%

I agree though we are very close to (or at) herd immunity

Veers, please stick to your libertarian and fatalistic talking points ("who cares if old people die", "the government is evil", etc.). At least those are somewhat more intellectually honest than this pseudo-science nonsense.

 

[GeneralVeers]

25M/330M = 7.58%



Veers, please stick to your libertarian and fatalistic talking points ("who cares if old people die", "the government is evil", etc.). At least those are somewhat more intellectually honest than this pseudo-science nonsense.

17% is not accurate. I don't know how you run the numbers. But we haven't caught 50% of the case or even a fraction. Also herd immunity is pseudo-science? Please reference.

 

[Franzd'Epinay]

17% is not accurate. I don't know how you run the numbers. But we haven't caught 50% of the case or even a fraction. Also herd immunity is pseudo-science? Please reference.

The idea that we are at (or very close) to herd immunity is nonsense.

 

[bravotwozero]

There is emerging evidence that vaccination may not provide complete protection against the South African variant (501Y.V2 or B.1.351). This information will make it to news sources soon.

There is also evidence that the B.1.1.7 UK variant is more lethal. As we all know, deaths trail infections by 3-4 weeks. The UK is reporting 1.3% mortality rate instead of the usual 1% mortality rate. While many may argue that 0.3% isn't much, keep in mind that if it infects another 1 million people, that would be an increase of 3,000 people dying. 3,000 mothers, fathers, and brothers/sisters.

Even though the vaccine may find itself having limited ability to provide immunity, I'm hoping that it at least lessens the likelihood of getting a serious illness vs just a minor one. That still makes the vaccine worth it.

On another note, recent CDC modeling predicts that 17% of the population has been infected with COVID. That plus vaccination puts us closer to the 70-80% herd immunity that is necessary to stop the spread.

The vaccine doesn't need to provide complete protection. If all people get after the vaccine is a cold, it's done its job of keeping people off the vent. Ample evidence it is doing that.