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I’ll try! I imagine you must have a better case than the blocker thingI do hope you all will read my casenotes for the day 🤔 Not just the reveal

I’ll try! I imagine you must have a better case than the blocker thingI do hope you all will read my casenotes for the day 🤔 Not just the reveal
Well, I finally have a break at work. I guess I jinxed it earlier 😬
A lot of my arguments for eleanor are based on my pulley observations.
I don't really count D1 because I don't think the wolves got a chance to talk to one another much before voting for mayor.
Day 2, pulley really wanted attention on the rider wagon. This makes them look better, yes, but wolves are also a team. The outliers that day were eleanor, CaptNemo, gecko, pulley, and zuri. I feel like gecko is alright at this point, partially due to pulley going pretty hard on them more than once. CaptNemo I lean more towards town based on previous information they've given, although I don't like how confident they were about dogtor since it's possible dogtor was the target. Their info cleared mightyrunner7 for a night & I don't think they'd both be wolves since they voted for each other D3. That leaves eleanor and zuri, both of which I'm not confident about. But still...maybe pulley just wanted themselves to look better.
D3, pulley asked about the nemo and mighty wagons but not the HW_88 wagon, even though that was the confirmed villager. On the HW wagon was beep, plum, pxton, eleanor, gecko, and myself. Beep was 100% town at the time, plum is safe for me now since they voted very early for pulley, and I've mentioned gecko already. That leaves pxton, eleanor, and myself.
Day 4 is where it's interesting. I still haven't moved on from my theory that perhaps pxton was a wolf as well. Either way, the only neutrals that day were myself, pxton, eleanor, and gs38. Gs38 is confirmed town. I'm here (again) but obviously not going to argue against myself lol. Thay leaves pxton and eleanor. I find pxton's behavior odd since they acted so scared after & they had a tiebreak ability. I did not like Eleanor's reasoning that she didn't switch her vote as to not make herself look bad/bandwagony. Voting for a villager at that point would make you look bad (if pxton is a villager), you wouldn't want to vote out the wolf if you are a wolf. If pxton is a wolf perhaps she didn't vote so as not to have to choose/hoping both would live.
I also didn't like her sus of moth a few times and calling out moth and gecko for messing around, possibly trying to raise sus of multiple villagers (but also this may have been a true feeling, if so I understand, just think it put sus on more than 1 village).
D5 she didn't bandwagon again. I know she defended dogtor but not sure if that's because several of us where already sus of her and wanted herself to look better.
She also never interacted with pulley (sus or support) at any point that I can find besides saying she liked pulley's analysis of quiet players. I am curious about @PlumPoppy 's statement that eleanor interacted with pulley multiple times since I can't find it 👀 wondering if anything has been unliked.
Idk it just all fits together for me. I like looking at voting patterns. I am willing to switch. I do think Matt's behavior is odd but idk if a wolf would bring that much attention to themselves. Sorry for the extremely long post!
That's the main theme yesjust trying to understand this because it’s a little hard to follow (I appreciate you doing all this analysis and laying it all out.) Pulley mentions wagons a lot in a way that has made you feel like we can’t look at the wagons to find wolves, so you’re looking at the non-wagons and seeing Eleanor there a lot? Is that the basic thing?
Alright I don’t think this discredits your theory really but just out of curiosity I did a thread search for wagon and it seems like a lot of people talk about wagons. Like you’re definitely right that pulley talked about wagons more than anyone else, but that also just feels like a standard noob thing to discuss, especially early on.That's the main theme yes
Ok thank you for wolf hunting! I agree the hw wagon should be similarly suss to the rider one. Could you flag the futuredogtor post you found suspicious??
@zuriburi, there wasnt necessarily a post i found suspicious, it was more a lack of activity and the fact that they were the third to vote against HW (perfect bandwagon spot). However, I think they did a pretty good job refuting my accusation
Catching up now. I was out and only skimming the game on my phone. I believed the HW role reveal and was not comfortable with what looking like a larger wagon on mighty, especially not being up to date on events, so I placed my vote on a different player where it wouldn't matter with a few minutes to vote close.
I feel like the hw wagon felt wolfy. It’s early in the day but Gecko’s vote was second to last for hw and I feel like most other people elaborates on their vote while voting. I had a similar feeling with pxton but given the veggie/hw/pxton gift thing I think she’s a safer villager bet.
Hw had a known ability so it makes sense wolves would want them out. Revealing anything about a role could be a double edged sword, it could prove your innocence or the wolves could twist it into making you look guilty.
Edit: changed “second to last” to “second to last for hw”
@matthirten13 I did explain why I yeeted zuri a few min later, I didn’t include it in my unyeet/yeet post because it was 9:59 and if wrote my reasoning on the same post it would have been too late.
@zuriburi it was a vibe thing
To explain more my initial yeet of mightyrunner was really because I felt he wasn’t engaging in conversation that wasn’t about him and him being very defensive rubbed me the wrong way. After I made my yeet post I felt like he lightened up and I didn’t want to my vote to yeet someone who I yeeted just for vibes and he was a main contender at the time. Like I said earlier I yeeted zuri because of vibes, I didn’t jump on the HW wagon because I thought he was safe for the time being due to the veggie/pxton/hw situation
The only problem with this to me is why would you switch from mightyrunner to zuri at all? I get you were suspicious of zuri, but it doesn't make sense if you were also sus of mightyrunner to do that last minute. You say you didn't want to join the HW wagon, but switching your vote from the second lead (mighty) to someone random essentially helps HW's win without looking too sus.
I've been on the misyeet wagon every time. I've never felt sure in my analysis and kind of just voted with my gut most days.... and look where we are now. I've put down a vote but don't feel great about it.
Haha, the earlier you vote, the more time you have for the village to talk you off the misyeet wagon
To explain further: I feel people coulda voted nearly anyone due to lack of strong evidence. Given the number of votes on pxton, and knowing pulley was wolf, it somewhat requires a number of wolves have gravitated to vote pxton for little reason, in which case, why not someone else (unless they voted their own, in which case, well played I guess, suppose it is still possibility, espec if they voted pulley in band wagon then dipped before vote was close)
I personally didn’t have any more information accusing pxton or pulley than I did for anyone else. I assumed changing my vote last minute would make me more suspicious as it would seem as I was wagoning and following what everyone else did
(Sorry for the post right after commenting about a post break lmao)
About to go to bed so I will not be answering questions until the morning, but in case I die, pulley seemed very against wagons. Like multiple times. Wondering if it was a strat shared among all the wolves in their PM or they (ha) were a lone wolf
This was in reference to beep switching their vote from HW to rider
I know my comment earlier about maybe people who didn't vote for rider were wolves was kinda a joke, but pulley brought it not once, not twice, but three times. I know it made them look better but like would they really say that if all the other wolves voted for rider?
Pulley here wanted asked about the mighty and nemo wagons but not the HW wagon. Interesting note
Again doesn't like wagons. Like the most anti-wagon person in the game. Idk if they'd push that hard to be suspicious of wagons if it wasn't a shared strat among wolves to generally avoid them.
I've been wrong every single vote so maybe take it with a grain of salt. I'm also starting to question my own intelligence here 😎
The thing that bothers me with Matt being the blocker is that he knows the message that comes with his blocks: hideous creature - causes the player not to move.Some super quick thought before break is over lol. The dogtor bandwagon went down FAST yesterday. I don't think it would have been suspicious at all one way or another. A wolf could have tried to defend dogtor to look better, but a wolf could just as well have hopped on that 150mph wagon and been perfectly fine. We were all grossly misled yesterday and truthfully I blame Nemo and Matt for both acting so confident and both implying they knew more than a vanillager would. I'm not saying either are wolf, as nemo is soft cleared in my mind and actually they spoke up and said they were sold on the "dogtor got blocked -> no kill = wolf" line of thinking (which I think was reasonable thinking for all of us at the time).
Long way to say that I don't think the dogtor bandwagon is going to give us too much information as we all collectively effed up :')
(Also it goes without saying please don't undo your reacts, that's the same as editing posts and really ruins the game 🙁 )
I am leaning towards voting Nemo due to my line of reasoning detailed here. But don't want to lock in anything yet as it's still early/more info might arise.
I want to hear from the more silent players. HW, rapidash, beepboop, gecko, Zuri? (I know y'all have posted, just not as much as the others)
I feel like i have similar issues with the players you mentioned
In the interest of time, I am going to completely set aside the matt/zuri thing until tomorrow. This feels way more complex than I can devote time to in the next hour. Y'all both post way too much. Matt decided to rb zuri and the both of them ended up getting role swapped so nothing happened and we gained exactly zero knowledge. Blockers and absorbers can very well be wolf roles.
Matt why did you "visit" zuri at night? I wasn't aware you could just interact with someone and not take action, that seems like a secondary action in addition to your blocking powers.
This isn to related to voting, but now that both of you have revealed roles, I'm going to ask you to prove it. Matt - I believe his well documented and well breadcrumbed reveal. Zuri, if you are truly a power absorber, name who you're going to post restrict tomorrow and then do it. That's a very specific role to claim and it doesn't really help village if you're not cleared as village (in which case, we can give you protector-type roles). I'm not saying this will prove you are village, because it very much does not, but I will say seeing people's powers active does help me feel better. We had folks like HW and pxton come out with powers at last minute to save themselves (and in pxton's case, was able to prove all claimed powers) and I do think role revealing is something noobs typically don't do unless they are endangered, and then it usually ends up being true. tl;dr had a trend of power roles being misyeeted even though they were honest with their roles. Even if it doesn't prove alignment, I want to see if you're at least honest about your powers.
I think it is highly unlike we have a TON of 3p/neutrals in the game. At the very least, it's unexpected that there are more than the # of wolves. We already know Mayo was one and there's the other one that pxton spoke with, so I don't believe there are many, if any, left.
Given that my sus list is basically matt and zuri, plus ??? on Eleanor and wonda as they've felt more backseat (though tbf, we all seem like backseat players compared to this arguing duo here)... I'm going to ignore matt/zuri for tonight and save that for tomorrow.
I am going to
vote eleanor
My justification is:
- Has been asking random questions in a manner that feels like she's "playing dumb" (see #2408)
- I agree with Wonda's breakdown (#2421); while not totally damning, these are still stated facts that I can get behind, as I'm tired of misyeeting villagers based on a hunch
- (a weak argument but) katykat is sus of her and if there's someone we can trust, it's kat
- (even weaker argument) I truly don't think pxton is wolf, and pxton has voted Eleanor
- She's been busy with IRL, which I get, but when she does find a moment to come and post, it is usually in her defense or contributing something insignificant to the conversation at hand
- voted matt even after a significant role reveal...?
I will respond to beep's accusations against me at a later time as they are not vote-breaking right now, and there's better things to focus on.
EDIT to tag mods
@kaydubs @WildZoo
I went back to look at Eleanor's voting patterns myself:lso I guess I’m kinda inclined to believe Eleanor because she’s the only one currently sticking with me on my Matt vote which I feel like I’ve argued effectively?
D2 - voted for HW using their vote on pulley as a reason... and we know pulley was a wolf. No other reason. Was absent at vote close but that's not necessarily damning.Yeet hw_88
Hw mentioned they have guilt about having to vote for someone but immediately voted for pulley after getting put under the spotlight briefly. It just doesn’t add up for me
Also I strive to have the love that moth and pxton have for each other ❤️
I’m going to side with HW for now on this one. It is a noob game and we have help for a reason so it is likely they revealed their true role to stay alive.
I think it’s interesting going back to Nemo. Nemo was the first to be nominated mayor without any real reason
Edit- mayor not captain. Too many years of college athletics will do that to you
I’m going to yeet hw
I feel a little uncertain doing this but I think that if you wanted to prove your role you could have mentioned the villager you hid behind. I believe that Nemo got warned about the consequences of suspicious behavior hence the different tone today. I want to keep them around longer to see how that develops.
D3 - sided with HW using justification that they believed their role and then flipped and said they did not believe their role. Also claimed that they were unable to switch votes... but they posted at :53 and :57 so they very much could have switched their vote if they wanted to.Dang it! If HW said mothy like 5 min earlier I would have unvoted. I’m sorry HW. may you rest in peace
Ok I’m convinced.I went back to look at Eleanor's voting patterns myself:
D2 - voted for HW using their vote pulley as a reason... and we know pulley was a wolf. No other reason. Was absent at vote close but that's not necessarily damning.
D3 - sided with HW using justification that they believed their role and then flipped and said they did not believe their role. Also claimed that they were unable to switch votes... but they posted at :53 and :57 so they very much could have switched their vote if they wanted to.
D4 - voted mothy with little justification or explanation. Complained about the "not again with the last minute before vote mysterious messages" and seemed genuinely concerned pxton didn't switch votes to save themselves... but didn't switch votes herself? Claimed it was to prevent herself from seeming more sus. Also at 7pm was defending pulley.
D5 - matt, and has stayed vehemently on matt since - a pattern she has displayed in the past (folks role reveal, she doesn't move from original vote)
EDIT: a word
I feel kinda bad about doing this when he’s not here. I really wish I was able to get back on here earlier, but anyway this kind of thing is the stuff that makes me all but certain Matt’s a wolf. He’s Saying that after I did my iso i concluded he was neutral and that’s just not true!Since you brought up your iso, thought I would bring it up too.
You seemed to be convinced after the ISO that I am a neutral/village killer or a blocker/jailor. It seems you changed rapidly to full wolf claim after I started calling you out and voted you. I would like to know why?
The vote for me feels very defensive, and I find it odd that you wouldn't have accused me of wolfing last night if you believed what you wrote in the 2nd quote
A threat 🧐 This kinda makes me feel betterI just got home from coaching🙁 not much I think I could say to sway any of you in the next 30 min especially because I’m not caught up. Yet I haven’t revealed my role yet…and you better hope it’s not jester…
I thought jesters are generally harmless. Although we’d miss a yeet cycleI just got home from coaching🙁 not much I think I could say to sway any of you in the next 30 min especially because I’m not caught up. Yet I haven’t revealed my role yet…and you better hope it’s not jester…
Ok now that that’s cleared up, @matthirten13 could you PLEEEEASE tell us about this spectacular straightforward defense you’ve told us so much about. You started today on offense against me, I think in the hopes that we’d all forget about your 🔎🔎, but I’m starting to feel like my night iso tinfoils might have some grounding given that you apparently tried to kill me last night and only didn’t because of all of this role weirdness.
If it’s any help in putting your thoughts together I’ll
Yeet @matthirten13
(@kaydubs )
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It seems you’ve been behind the deaths of FIVE villagers, 3 misyeets and 2 nk. You’ve made a big deal about a 3p killer in your past posts despite having no public evidence to support that at the time. You didn’t join the pulley vote. And it also seems like you tried to kill me then turn around and frame me.
You probably aren’t acting alone since mothy is still dead, but I’m starting to expect that the wolves might have some kind of kill buffer capability:
-n1 intended kill, likely not wolfkill
-n2 talonkill on miranda
-n3 talonkill on beepbop + non-talonkill on veg
-n4 no kill, matt frames dogtor with night info
-n5 non-talonkill on mothy, matt attempts action on me
If talon is wolf we’re still averaging 4 nks for 5 nights and 1 attempted nk if we assume Matt was coming for my neck.
Even if this stacking kills thing ends up being pure tinfoil, there is little that would help me understand Matt as village, and a lot that makes me think that at the very least he’s some kind of scum.
All that said, I’m all ears for this unassailable stash of proof you have for yourself.
Do you think Eleanor is a villager?most of this still stands, though I think it’s more likely matt was going to make some weird case about me admitting to being blocked like he did dogtor, rather than kill me, but I feel pretty strongly about this.
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all of my hedging was wondering if he really did have some case for himself that addressed my concerns and he just doesn’t. he role revealed a role that he used to push a misyeet. That was his whole case.
The threat of a role reveal but the lack of an actual role reveal is the most sus thing I've seen all weekI just got home from coaching🙁 not much I think I could say to sway any of you in the next 30 min especially because I’m not caught up. Yet I haven’t revealed my role yet…and you better hope it’s not jester…
And posts like these! I really don’t think it’s reckless to trust the people who founded the pulley train and this kinda stuff just sows doubt amongst everyone and breaks up any kind of village block we could build to create a real poeI stand by my statement that only Katy is confirmed. No one else is confirmed.
Similar reason why I'm staying on pxtonI’m gonna stay on Matt cause Eleanor doesn’t need another vote.
The leading to the more quiet sus makes sense I just feel like I’ve seen so much more transparently bad faith behavior from Matt today than anything on the eleanor anti wagon wagon..for the sake of no tie should there be no activity for a while and I can't return in time for vote close, I will
yeet eleanor @kaydubs
I'm much less sus of matt at this point, not sold on zuri, but for the sake of potentially misyeeting a strong discussion character I don't want to yeet either. Of Wondalfy and Eleanor, I think Eleanor has the weakest case for village (though I'm not hard sus, willing to change my mind). No votes for pxton yet, but still als
will be back to read matt's case notes in a bit
@supershorty
I didn’t look very closely but Matt never interacted with pulley, and Eleanor voted hw for the pulley vote and thanked pulley for their long post once.It is not lost on me that neither matt or zuri have said anything that would prove villager status, and matt is second sus to me. fluff, I'm actually apt to believe your hypothesis that matt is a wolf blocker (which I will admit, is partially based on internal bias as most games I've played it is a wolf role). If Eleanor flips wolf it's time to start looking at Eleanor/matt interacts.
my role just started working todayIt is not lost on me that neither matt or zuri have said anything that would prove villager status, and matt is second sus to me. fluff, I'm actually apt to believe your hypothesis that matt is a wolf blocker (which I will admit, is partially based on internal bias as most games I've played it is a wolf role). If Eleanor flips wolf it's time to start looking at Eleanor/matt interacts.
Not certain just think ive seen much stronger evidence against matt and I’m afraid of a misyeet @eleanor713 are you going to follow through on that role reveal??Do you think Eleanor is a villager?
Yeah no this is totally real and I wish he was here and no one should take his silence as evidence of guilt. I just wish I could have responded to all that stuff sooner cuz it doesn’t add up.Not to defend Matt in-game but he said he'll be on an airplane for the last few hours of voting if anyone is sus bc of no replies recently. So he also hasn't seen a big chunk of discussions today yet
I thought what @chicandtoughness suggested is a very good way to prove your role: just post restrict someone!my role just started working today
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Not certain just think ive seen much stronger evidence against matt and I’m afraid of a misyeet @eleanor713 are you going to follow through on that role reveal??
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This is aI've been looking for associations with Pulley among other things and this is what I've found so far:
Eleanor:
They've thanked Pulley (which isn't much evidence much shows some support)
And they voted HW because of their suspicion of Pulley
They've also been pretty suspicious of Matt who just came out as roleblocker
ChicandToughness:
Possible support for Pulley:
Additionally, after ISO, I havenn't been able to find a post of them being suspicious of Pulley
Other things I've noticed:
Wants us to bandwagon onto one person.
Makes me think that as a wolf, they are waiting to see how others vote first before they make a non-suspicious vote. Also, there have been several posts about how voting early is suspicious so this could be them trying to come off as not suspicious
However they do call Pulley out for being quiet but this could be red herring:
Additional thoughts:
Since Pulley has died, we haven't seen talons. That makes me think that talons is a wolf. The other two deaths have been veggie (by transformation) and Mothy (by drowning?). I think that because the death by transformation happened on the same night as talons did, that was either an extra wolf kill due to an ability/invention or 3p.
If matt is telling the truth about roleblocking dogtor on N4 and they are confirmed village, then the wolves chose not to kill N4 because they weren't blocked that I can tell. OR a wolf has an ability that lets them kill twice in one night in return for killing no one another night
As always, if I missed a post that explains any of this then oops and pls tell me. Also, I agree that Kat is cleared as well.
I'm going to go back and read through all the posts I've missed so far today but for now
vote chicandtoughness
@kaydubs
ohnmygod I love this! Youll literally become the Charlie day meme by the end of thisView attachment 364208
I’d like to present my (unfinished) m u r d e r b o a r d
This is why I’ve been afk for most of the day lol
No I’m sorry i didn’t remember to do it every time. I enjoyed the challenge.So many edits just for gifs I'm so sorry 🥺
Wool not sure what happened here lolThis is a
ohnmygod I love this! Youll literally become the Charlie day meme by the end of this
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n interesting case.
Oh definitely @matthirten13Zuri who are you gonna post restrict? (it only proves anything if you declare ahead of time lol)
(And then possibly Gecko if you could declare too so we know it's not like a "Oh no Gecko and I targeted the same person lolol")
Loooool, just don't make it a Nemo post restriction... We at least want him to be able to defend himselfOh definitely @matthirten13
I mean I just don’t think the logic would add up that I’d say I’d post restrict someone and kill them instead. Also not sure, @GeckoKD6 @WildZoo @kaydubs can I stop posting gifs now that vote’s closed? Or does it last until morning?Wait though, if he declares it then wolves might kill that person to frame zuri 🤔
But also... Fluff has a point.Wait though, if he declares it then wolves might kill that person to frame zuri 🤔
No it will be easier than mine.Loooool, just don't make it a Nemo post restriction... We at least want him to be able to defend himself