Death Nommy - Game Thread

[samac]

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Alright. samac/rae is my solve.

Becuase ya have no choice?
Why not me and SAR?

 

[WildZoo]

I'll look at samac/rae and SAR/rae as priorities tomorrow, I dont think samac/SAR makes any sense given how many times samac has tried to convince me to reconsider the soul read lol

 

[samac]

I'll look at samac/rae and SAR/rae as priorities tomorrow, I dont think samac/SAR makes any sense given how many times samac has tried to convince me to reconsider the soul read lol

Shhhh I asked PSV why not me and SAR not you
😡

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Becuase ya have no choice?
Why not me and SAR?

Because I feel good about SAR.

 

[WildZoo]

Shhhh I asked PSV why not me and SAR not you
😡

Oops
I didn't see you ask until after I posted!

 

[samac]

Because I feel good about SAR.

Because you’re wolfing with her?

 

[samac]

Oops
I didn't see you ask until after I posted!

Fine tooth comb for SAR pls tomorrow too. In general.
If she is village she has to vote with us.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You know what? Yeah. Sure.
If I accept that Dubz feels good and didn't vote two of her packmates D1, which is logical, then that leaves rae/SAR/samac.
And SAR is my most confident village read of those three atm. Maybe.

 

[samac]

You know what? Yeah. Sure.
If I accept that Dubz feels good and didn't vote two of her packmates D1, which is logical, then that leaves rae/SAR/samac.
And SAR is my most confident village read of those three atm. Maybe.

Why would you go from
Samac likely village that wasn’t a wolf Samac move
Could be Rae/sar
To SAR is your top town read
PSV pls

 

[WildZoo]

Fine tooth comb for SAR pls tomorrow too. In general.
If she is village she has to vote with us.

I mean, I already did a fine toothed comb on SAR individually, I didn't pull quotes because it takes too long but I've read all her posts and I'll get a refresher when I'm looking through her/rae.

 

[samac]

Rae and PSV are not compatible.
PSV pushed her early, didn’t get a bite, left her alone for a while and then recently started pushing her again:

Well. Definitely not samac. So that means I need to choose between rae and Clem. hm.
This is all assuming I'm not right about wolves not knowing who each other is and not having BTSC

I think... I am probably more likely to vote rae than Clem atp. I don't want to and I feel like rae is likely village, but I have a more compelling read on Clem and I have to choose one.
The day is still semi-young, though.

Definitely not samac. Rae, most likely

Idk, the thought that one has a stronger village read on Clem than Rae yet would still vote Clem isn't computing for me.

I'm talking myself into an annoyance circle and have decided I'm just going to go play Stardew instead.
But first, I'll yeet Rae because it's not like she's going to go over anyway and, while they're probably all three town, I still think she's less towny than Clem.

I'm feeling like Rae hasn't been evaluated enough, tbh. So I did a quick ISO and gathered some pertinent quotes. She's been more shifty on fruit than Stagg, who she was pretty ready to bus (if she's a wolf), but still. I am not seeing anything damning from Rae's ISO.
which means it's almost definitely Zenge imo

I read sass in the "rae is obviously town" which I interpreted as "why would you bother looking there". But I've certainly been overly sensitive this game, so if there's no sass then cool.

Honestly, I'm kinda done.
I would like to flip Zenge today because he's the one I'm most hesitant about if it's not April. And if it's not him, then he's already said he's going to give us April so we can do that. And if it's not either of them, I'd be willing to more closely eval SAR/genny but I really, really think it's between Zenge/April atp. Even if it isn't, we have the numbers with no NKs to get it right unless someone's really burrowed in the blocc.
I'm quite resistant to a samac yeet today because if it isn't April then we wind back up with wanting to flip Zenge. I'm not sure anyone really believes samac is a wolf except maybe Rae.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Because you’re wolfing with her?

Sure is convenient for you to assume I would be indifferent to the yeet of a packmate D1, actively build an entire ISO to speed along another packmate's yeeting, and keep my third packmate in the POE until losing the second. That is VERY OBVIOUSLY consistent with how I have wolfed for the past three years.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Why would you go from
Samac likely village that wasn’t a wolf Samac move
Could be Rae/sar
To SAR is your top town read
PSV pls

Then kill me and at least I'll get to gloat when I'm right.

 

[samac]

Sure is convenient for you to assume I would be indifferent to the yeet of a packmate D1, actively build an entire ISO to speed along another packmate's yeeting, and keep my third packmate in the POE until losing the second. That is VERY OBVIOUSLY consistent with how I have wolfed for the past three years.

I agree that I didn’t think the way you were playing were wolfy.
This game is a very unique circumstances though without NKs and you never voted your pack mate.

The biggest problem though is I think we’ve backed ourselves into a thunderdome. So if you’re village we’ve already lost because I’m village.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I agree that I didn’t think the way you were playing were wolfy.
This game is a very unique circumstances though without NKs and you never voted your pack mate.

The biggest problem though is I think we’ve backed ourselves into a thunderdome. So if you’re village we’ve already lost because I’m village.

See. I just can't believe you're village due to numbers.

 

[samac]

SAR mentions of “PSV”
Are not unpairing

 

[samac]

See. I just can't believe you're village due to numbers.

Baby doll I am.
Good to know SAR moved above me in your reads as a top village read without you ever communicating that on thread though.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Like. If you're village, that means two of Dubz/rae/SAR must be wolves. I would even speculate Dubz and SAR together due to the hard defending from Dubz's side, but Dubz seems pretty clear from D1. That'd mean it has to be SAR and rae together and I don't think the timeline works for that, though I need to actually get on my laptop and see for sure. So it pretty much has to be you.

 

[samac]

@_rae_
We are in yolo. If you throw down a vote on the wrong person the wolves can come behind and quickly hammer. So before putting a vote on the board please discuss your thoughts on what you think is going on and be sure you put your vote where you want it

 

[samac]

Like. If you're village, that means two of Dubz/rae/SAR must be wolves. I would even speculate Dubz and SAR together due to the hard defending from Dubz's side, but Dubz seems pretty clear from D1. That'd mean it has to be SAR and rae together and I don't think the timeline works for that, though I need to actually get on my laptop and see for sure. So it pretty much has to be you.

What wolfy motivation would I have had to throw attention onto myself right before the last vote close to throw suspicion on you and potentially get myself yeeted?

 

[samac]

ALSO RAE WAS A VOTE FOR ME IN THAT TIE

 

[potentialsheltervet]

What wolfy motivation would I have had to throw attention onto myself right before the last vote close to throw suspicion on you and potentially get myself yeeted?

There are still two wolves.

 

[samac]

There are still two wolves.

So instead of keeping my mouth shut and starting the fight after yolo I put myself in a position to get yeeted right before it and leave my partner alone?
What

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Imagine finally getting to the blocc, living to F5, and still feeling like you're going to wind up the game ending misyeet. Again.
This is fun. I'm having fun.

 

[samac]

Yes my wolf partner didn’t make the post minimum, while voting me, and my master plan is to potentially get myself yeeted right before yolo?
PSV what

 

[samac]

Imagine finally getting to the blocc, living to F5, and still feeling like you're going to wind up the game ending misyeet. Again.
This is fun. I'm having fun.

I want you to think about the story you’re spinning and how it doesn’t make sense.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

So instead of keeping my mouth shut and starting the fight after yolo I put myself in a position to get yeeted right before it and leave my partner alone?
What

Or put your partner in a position to be on a wolf yeet, idk!
It's pretty clear to me that none of the possible pairs make total sense. So.

 

[samac]

Imagine finally getting to the blocc, living to F5, and still feeling like you're going to wind up the game ending misyeet. Again.
This is fun. I'm having fun.

Imagine how I feel putting you in the blocc to only realize right at F5 I was bamboozled. Shame on me.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I want you to think about the story you’re spinning and how it doesn’t make sense.

This game doesn't make sense. I am extremely frustrated.
Look, if you're village, then it's important we vote together. But I don't think that's going to happen.

 

[samac]

Or put your partner in a position to be on a wolf yeet, idk!
It's pretty clear to me that none of the possible pairs make total sense. So.

Dude.
It is going into yolo.
Only wolves would have know that. I sure as **** didn’t.
There is not a world that I throw myself on a sword for no reason to get my not meeting the post minimum partner to end game?
That’s just madness

 

[samac]

This game doesn't make sense. I am extremely frustrated.
Look, if you're village, then it's important we vote together. But I don't think that's going to happen.

Obviously not becuase you think it’s me and Rae.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Imagine how I feel putting you in the blocc to only realize right at F5 I was bamboozled. Shame on me.

Okay. This isn't productive. I'm going to evaluate people without you because you're either a wolf or you've made up your mind on me. This is just making me frustrated and that's not helping

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Part of me wishes for death and a big I told you so. But that's not very team spirit.
It's fine. I'll refocus and go through everyone again.

 

[samac]

Okay. This isn't productive. I'm going to evaluate people without you because you're either a wolf or you've made up your mind on me. This is just making me frustrated and that's not helping

The problem is if you’re village I have to find you or we lose. So please do some evaluation I can follow.

Because me as a wolf deciding to go after you, who hadn’t voted yet in the 30ish minutes before close to get you on my vote, with my wolf partner who hasn’t been playing today sitting there to potentially get yeeted to prevent yolo ain’t it.

 

[samac]

I’m so stuck on PSV I do need to consider SAR and Rae.

 

[samac]

Not a lot Rae -> SAR

My n00b analysis and then I have to spend the morning ferrying stuff to our new apartment:
samac
zenge
fruit salad
JJJ
genny
April
dubz

I have no opinion on SAR yet.

samac - basing some of this on other's reads because I just don't know her well enough
dubz - vibes
SAR - not enough to go off of, could go either way
PSV - not enough to go off of, could go either way
April - least sure of their gameplay style
fruit - vibes
genny - came in hot, but also could be her style, still sus
JJJ - definitely seems to be unsteady in a way that based on other people's reads is uncharacteristic, still suspic, but want to keep him around for a bit
Indy - vibes
Zenge - confused by the assertiveness that I didn't see in GGoats
Clem - self yeet is sus


DVM and Stagg I genuinely don't know where I stand.

I don't have any strong wolf vibes from anyone at the moment. Still learning.

I also have tasks to do tonight and feel as if the best option is YEET Stagg simply due to lack of engagement.

PSV seems town right now

I agree. Her tone and content this cycle feel very good

JJJ also asked for my reads list last night:
samac
dubz
jjj
zenge
dvmd
fruit
SAR
psv
april
indy

I do think that clem's intentions were for us to vote April. I don't think dubs feels like a good vote option. If there's a strategic reason to vote JX3 I could be convinced, but he is much higher on my "leaning town" list.

ETA: tagging isn't working but I'm sure he'll see this later.

**** I counted I thought I had everyone.

samac
dubz
jjj
zenge
dvmd
fruit
SAR
psv
genny
april
indy

I'm reading genny as wolf leaning at the moment, though I know she said she's not on as much on T/W and our view may change when she can engage more. So I'm giving her the slight benefit of the doubt right now, but she's like one foot into I think you're wolf territory and one foot out.

I think I otherwise stand by my order.

Gun to my head I want to change some of my reads but it's mostly vibes/my gut, so I'm going stay consistent I think. Indy, April, and genny are my most wolfy right now.

Zenge - town
April - wolf
PSV - town
Indy - wolf (locked in)
samac - town
WildZoo - town
genny - wolf
fruitsalad - town
SAR - town
rae - hot girl with tummy problems
JJJ - town
DVMDream - town

Oh 2 SAR quotes on PSV that got stuck?

Bringing this back because I think this is a very decent iso at least as far as fruit's reads. So I'm focusing mainly on the posts that psv didn't cover here and looking at content other than reads lists. However, I think what stands out to me when re-reading this, is the impression that Fruits has made a lot of reads and a lot of changes to his reads with little justification.

I think there's also a lot of posts where he has poked sus at players on thread for somewhat nebulous reasoning, but then never follows up with a push OR with questioning of the player he apparently suspects based on that. When looking at the posts as a whole, I think it comes across as very much throwing things at the wall to see if anyone will pick it up to run with it.

I also think the reads lists frequently gives the impression of working hard at solving, when there isn't actually a lot of solving in evidence. I'm going to pull some quotes that hopefully will help to show what I mean here.

I've been thinking about this a little and I think that there's probably been some interesting wolf distancing in this game. I mean, in a game with no night kills, the wolves would basically be screwed if they never strategically distanced themselves for cred right? Because with no night kill to take out loud, cleared villagers they would essentially have to try to be loud, cleared villagers themselves. Not saying that this makes it PSV but I think if something small gives you a ping at this stage, it's worth evaluating and really thinking on. Those posts didn't ping me the same way, but I can see the argument that it feels like a different mindset to be viewing the game from which is hmmm

 

[samac]

SAR -> Rae

Also not a lot

If anyone was wondering how my catch up is going, I've made it to page 6. So, uh, not great. As promised, at least

Based on that, and the real time I've been keeping up with, I'm feeling pretty good about Clem, April, Rae, Jay. With a softer good to Samac, Dubz, and Zenge

I really actually hate this group of 3 to choose from though because Clem is probably my strongest village vibes. Rae is also very village. Samac is lower in my list but probably would be higher if I actually went back to read all the pages I've missed

 

[samac]

Okay. I’m going to try to sleep.
Don’t do any hammers while I’m asleep.
Im village and that would mean we lose.

 

[_rae_]

Okay so I clearly missed A TON

I am not putting any votes down until I get to do some digging tomorrow. (Thank you for the heads up, @samac).

Everyone is getting their own deep dive on their interactions with stagg, fruit, and the remaining members when I have time tomorrow.

I currently trust no one.

 

[samac]

Okay so I clearly missed A TON

I am not putting any votes down until I get to do some digging tomorrow. (Thank you for the heads up, @samac).

Everyone is getting their own deep dive on their interactions with stagg, fruit, and the remaining members when I have time tomorrow.

I currently trust no one.

I can’t sleep. Can I get your take on last night with PSV and me?

 

[WildZoo]

Well, I haven't had WW dreams in a while, but here we are

 

[samac]

Well, I haven't had WW dreams in a while, but here we are

dude. same.
I slept like crap. I kept having dreams of thunderdoming PSV.

 

[WildZoo]

A SAR Investigation Part 1: Interactions with Known Wolves

Subsection A: Stagg/SAR

I didn't find direct interactions between them, but I still think her joining the Stagg vote at the time she did looks pretty good (breaking the tie towards him in particular)

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (1) - Clem
Zenge () -
genny (1) - fruit
JJJ (2) - samac, PSV
Dubz () -
Stagg (2) - Dubz, JJJ

6/14
@JaggedJimmyJay and @Stagg737 are in the lead!
yeet close in ~2 hours
Missing: @Zenge142 @Aprilthearab @indysadventures @genny @SARdoghandler @Stagg737 @_rae_ @DVMDream

Yeet Stagg

It's been a long day, I'm still not caught up, and my toddler didn't nap today so there's a good chance she may decide to wake up at any moment and not go back to sleep. I don't want to risk missing close and I hate that stagg dropped a single post and bounced

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (1) - Clem
Zenge () -
genny (1) - fruit
JJJ (2) - PSV, indy
Dubz () -
Stagg (3) - Dubz, JJJ, SAR

7/14
yeet close in ~1.5 hours
Missing: Zenge, April, genny, Stagg, rae, DVMD, samac

Other than myself, I believe SAR has the strongest Stagg unpartnering argument of anyone left in the game.

Hey, so not caught up at all and probably won't be around to make any actual contributions tonight because July 1st at an academic medical center is....a disaster.

If we've gotta kill me then that's fine, but otherwise I'll get caught up and participate for real after my kid gets to bed tonight and tomorrow if I'm not Mod-killed.

And this post from Stagg makes me think he actually wanted/thought he would have had time to play after D1, so I just doubt a packmate decides to make that pivotal vote and not give him more time to engage.

So I have read a total of two pages, commenting on my walk to the car to try and avoid getting mod killed to meet post minimum. Only possibly major thing that stood out to me was April using the word team and SAR calling her out on it. Could be nothing but smiled wolf lean on April and mild Village points for SAR pointing that out.

from what I’ve seen JJJ he is giving me village vibes. From wolfing with him I remember him specifically saying he would try and do helpful things without actually helping. I could be wrong but early village feels there.

These were the only reads Stagg gave before voting April. If I were to get paranoid about anything I think it would be this (rule of three!!), but given the threadstate at the time this could also have easily been a collection of three villagers dropped for confusion/anti-spew purposes.

Overall SAR's treatment of Stagg is a strong village lean, with a little room for paranoia

 

[WildZoo]

Me: I am never doing ISOs like that again

Also me: Gets trapped in f5 again the very next game

Me: I guess I'm doing ISOs again

 

[samac]

I'm going to get myself yeeted but I spent all night tossing and turning about the game and have a pit in my stomach.
Will throw myself onto the stake later.
I hate everything.

 

[samac]

Dubz is gonna kill me and yeet me.
After sleep I have been in a tinfoil nightmare but one thing is clear to me:

SAR is a wolf in any world. She is not clear.

It is either PSV and SAR

or - where the tinfoil is happening - its 2 2 man packs and it is SAR and Dubz.

The caveat is SAR is in both these worlds.
SAR needs to be the yeet.
That would get us into a world where we're no longer YOLO and would possibly know if it is a second pack.

I now accept the tear down that is coming to me and get myself misyeeted.
But I gotta say it and try my best.

 

[samac]

 

[samac]

I'm shaking in rounds over this. I am ridiculous.

 

[samac]

At least if I'm getting my first misyeet I'm going down swinging......

 

[samac]

And talking to myself I guess......