Dental HPSP class of 2024

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I'm assuming its too late to apply for this now, right?

If I’m not mistaken the army and navy deadline for the 4 year is at the end of this week, the air force 4 year deadline was last month. But still I would reach out to a recruiter and double check. MEPS takes forever to get through, so you want to start that process early. You’re not too late for the 3 year scholarships though, you’re actually very early! Start getting everything ready for the 3 year scholarship, that way while you’re in school you won’t have to stress about it too much.
 
If I’m not mistaken the army and navy deadline for the 4 year is at the end of this week, the air force 4 year deadline was last month. But still I would reach out to a recruiter and double check. MEPS takes forever to get through, so you want to start that process early. You’re not too late for the 3 year scholarships though, you’re actually very early! Start getting everything ready for the 3 year scholarship, that way while you’re in school you won’t have to stress about it too much.
Deadline for Army is January 14th, but definitely have to get MEPS done soon as it is, like you said, a long process.
 
Deadline for Army is January 14th, but definitely have to get MEPS done soon as it is, like you said, a long process.

My bad, I thought both had deadlines in December. Thanks for the correction! But it would be extremely difficult, maybe impossible to go through the entire process in a month. @Jinx121 It might be worth trying though!
 
What are the pros and cons of taking HPSP? Is it worth it if you're planning to specialize? Ie. How much does army dentist make? How much does army orthodontist make?
 
What are the pros and cons of taking HPSP? Is it worth it if you're planning to specialize? Ie. How much does army dentist make? How much does army orthodontist make?

Well one of the major pros obviously is tuition is completely covered. However, you should not just be doing HPSP for the money... you should have some reason as to why the military other than financial reasons. In addition to tuition, you get a monthly stipend. So while in dental school the financial burden will be lifted off your shoulders, plus you are guaranteed a job right out of school. The military loves when people specialize, so a pro to specializing in the military is that you can get that paid for as well. They also have an AEGD for just general dentistry as well. A con obviously is that a mil dentist makes less during those payback years. You will be receiving Officer pay, which varies between the different branches. During those years you also have little control in how you want to do your profession (however I've heard some people really like this aspect as they don't have to deal with all the business-related things that you would have to deal with if you have a private practice). A major pro in my opinion to being a military dentist is that your patient's insurance will allow you to provide them with the best treatment without them having to worry about how to pay it back. You also get that reward of caring for the people who are defending our nation.

I would say a con to HPSP is it can put a little more restrictions on family/relationship life, but there are also benefits there. But overall, everyone who I have talked to who has done HPSP says that the pros outweigh the cons and that it is a very rewarding way to do dentistry.
 
which varies between the different branches.
This is not true, all branches are the same. Pay is determined by rank and time of service. O3 with less than 2 years ($4251.60/mo) is the same for all branches. This is just base pay. Other parts of your pay depend on specialty, location, separation, ect.

Everything else looks good though, good advice here.
 
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This is not true, all branches are the same. Pay is determined by rank and time of service. O3 with less than 2 years ($4251.60/mo) is the same for all branches. This is just base pay. Other parts of your pay depend on specialty, location, separation, ect.

Everything else looks good though, good advice here.
So an Army dentist for their first two years will be making $4251.60/month? What about the next two years? How much money will you be making outside of the base pay on average?
 
So an Army dentist for their first two years will be making $4251.60/month? What about the next two years? How much money will you be making outside of the base pay on average?
Do some reading here and you will get an idea

 
Sorry I have a lot of questions...

How much influence do you have in being deployed? What are the chances of being deployed to Korea or a danger zone?

Also, is it only 4 years of active service or do you have to do an additional 4 years of reserve duty?

Finally, how much flexibility do you have as an army/airforce dentist? Do you have to work the weekends? Can you visit locations outside of the base or do you have to stay in the base?

Sorry for being ignorant regarding this topic....
 
Sorry I have a lot of questions...

How much influence do you have in being deployed? What are the chances of being deployed to Korea or a danger zone?

Also, is it only 4 years of active service or do you have to do an additional 4 years of reserve duty?

Finally, how much flexibility do you have as an army/airforce dentist? Do you have to work the weekends? Can you visit locations outside of the base or do you have to stay in the base?

Sorry for being ignorant regarding this topic....
If you have a lot of questions and are somewhat considering it, I would just recommend reaching out to a recruiter! Your first meeting with them will be an opportunity for them to give you a rundown of the program, and then you will be able to ask any and all questions you have without having to even let them know if you want to proceed with the application! My first meeting with a recruiter was about an hour where I asked him everything and then at the end of it he asked me if this was something I wanted to move forward with. That's their job as a recruiter to inform others.

Deployment isn't too common, but going into it you have to know that there is the chance that you could be deployed because in signing on, you are ultimately agreeing to serve the needs of the military. I just talked to someone who had talked to someone who did HPSP and he was informed that he had to go to Syria for 2 weeks with less than a 24 hour notice, so it does happen but not too common. It is 4 years of active service (with possibly an extra year for AEGD if you apply and get accepted prior to the 4 years of active duty) and then you will be int he reserves for 4 years with minor commitments (I think like a weekend here or there)-- so in all it comes to about 8-9 years, and thten you can choose to continue if you enjoy it however a lot of people tend to get out at the first opportunity they can. Flexibility depends on where you are, type of base you live on, etc. Like I said, it all comes down to needs of the military. You're able to live a normal life though, its not like you'll be at the clinic 24/7 and never be able to leave base. If I remember correctly from when I visited the Air Force clinic for my interview, they work 5 days a week normal hours, but don't remember them saying anything about weekends. Even though you're a dentist, you're still an officer and will be expected to keep up with some of those responsibilities like personal fitness every morning before work. You still can have a family, take maternity leave if you're a female, go off base, and all those things.
 
When do the first boards convene for the Army? And when can we expect to hear back?
 
The military loves when people specialize, so a pro to specializing in the military is that you can get that paid for as well.
Yeah...the military is planning to dramatically cut the number of specialty positions. Navy endo and perio are slated to cut 25%, for example. The plan going forward seems to be to refer out most specialty care to civilian providers. So, long story short, specializing in the military will become significantly harder.

You can read more about all this here:

Big Hoss
 
Also, is it only 4 years of active service or do you have to do an additional 4 years of reserve duty?
4 years of active duty, followed by 4 years of the Individual Ready Reserve. You don’t need to do anything while in the IRR...unless WWIII starts, then they may call you up.

Big Hoss
 
Steamy rant incoming. Please let me know if you've been in a similar situation or know if the submission date for the first boards ever gets pushed back

I've been in contact with my Navy recruiter since May. He was helpful at the beginning and told me that I would be a competitive applicant and insisted that I go through the HPSP scholarship process with him (even though I would be moving out of his region shortly after speaking with him) because he was experienced and had placed many other students into the program. It's been seven months and I've done everything he's asked of me as promptly as possible, even after he has lost forms I'd submitted to him weeks before and required me to reprint, resign, rescan, and resend them. I've had to hold his hand throughout this process and call him multiple times in an effort to get a hold of him so that we can move along at every step of the way.

I'm also applying to the USAF's HPSP and did MEPS through them. I didn't have to redo the MEPS process because I'd already been cleared, so I just sent a copy of my official paperwork to him. Well last week-- over a month since I'd submitted my paperwork to him-- he tells me that the Navy needs fingerprints to submit my kit and they were never done at MEPS since the Air Force apparently doesn't require them. I said I'd be willing to do them wherever. I'd prefer somewhere nearby but if that's not an option then I'd be willing to go to a MEPS location again to get them done. Well I call him today after my last interview to check on the status and he confirms that I will need to go to a MEPS location (closest one is over 3 hours away) and that my application won't make it to the first boards. I told him that I'm willing to drive to any of the three MEPS locations within five hours of my house tomorrow to get the fingerprints done so that I can ensure that I make it on the first board because he said before that my chances are much much higher than they would be if I'm on the second board. He doesn't seem to sense any sort of urgency when I'm telling him I'm okay with driving 8 hours in one day to get my fingerprints scanned for 5 minutes to make sure I have the best chance possible.

It's just absolutely unreal that I've been communicating with him for over half a year and it's coming down to the last day to submit because of his negligence and laziness. It's pretty damn infuriating that I've had to do his job for him and he doesn't seem to care about it one way or the other when his paycheck depends on placing people into this scholarship program. I'm done I just had to get that off my chest. I hope tomorrow morning bright and early I get a call that I can drive somewhere to submit them and get my app in on the first boards. If not, I'm going to be pretty salty that the guy whose job it is to get people this scholarship is the reason my chances are largely diminished. /rant

EDIT: please correct me if I'm wrong about the importance of making it on the first boards. My recruiter said something like 90% of the scholarships are given out during the first one and only about 10% the second time the board meets
 
hold his hand
call multiple times
any sort of urgency
negligence and laziness.
infuriating

I think I also had all of these experiences as well. I'm right there with you, they sure don't make it an easy process.

The craziest part - before I had done any paperwork, my recruiter was trying to contact me and "get me" but after I met with them for the first time, all of the adjectives above could be applied.
 
4 years of active duty, followed by 4 years of the Individual Ready Reserve. You don’t need to do anything while in the IRR...unless WWIII starts, then they may call you up.

If Korean War starts up again within the next 12 years, is there a possibility of being called?
 
I had almost the exact same experience! I was so annoyed by the whole process. I did everything he asked and then he ended up telling me that I wouldn’t make it to the first boards. I was extremely disappointed. He started to be unresponsive so I took the liberty of also applying to the army and thank god I did. I was upfront with the navy and army saying that I would choose the navy over army if accepted to both. not sure how true this is but my navy recruiter said that since I’m applying to both, you get put on the bottom of the navy list.

I dont think that’s true at all, I don’t believe they factor in which branches you’re applying to.
 
I suppose. Just understand that when you’re in the military, you’re government property. You will go wherever and do whatever they tell you to. If the thought of this ruffles your feathers, you’ll be in for a rough HPSP payback.

Big Hoss
 
Steamy rant incoming. Please let me know if you've been in a similar situation or know if the submission date for the first boards ever gets pushed back

I've been in contact with my Navy recruiter since May. He was helpful at the beginning and told me that I would be a competitive applicant and insisted that I go through the HPSP scholarship process with him (even though I would be moving out of his region shortly after speaking with him) because he was experienced and had placed many other students into the program. It's been seven months and I've done everything he's asked of me as promptly as possible, even after he has lost forms I'd submitted to him weeks before and required me to reprint, resign, rescan, and resend them. I've had to hold his hand throughout this process and call him multiple times in an effort to get a hold of him so that we can move along at every step of the way.

I'm also applying to the USAF's HPSP and did MEPS through them. I didn't have to redo the MEPS process because I'd already been cleared, so I just sent a copy of my official paperwork to him. Well last week-- over a month since I'd submitted my paperwork to him-- he tells me that the Navy needs fingerprints to submit my kit and they were never done at MEPS since the Air Force apparently doesn't require them. I said I'd be willing to do them wherever. I'd prefer somewhere nearby but if that's not an option then I'd be willing to go to a MEPS location again to get them done. Well I call him today after my last interview to check on the status and he confirms that I will need to go to a MEPS location (closest one is over 3 hours away) and that my application won't make it to the first boards. I told him that I'm willing to drive to any of the three MEPS locations within five hours of my house tomorrow to get the fingerprints done so that I can ensure that I make it on the first board because he said before that my chances are much much higher than they would be if I'm on the second board. He doesn't seem to sense any sort of urgency when I'm telling him I'm okay with driving 8 hours in one day to get my fingerprints scanned for 5 minutes to make sure I have the best chance possible.

It's just absolutely unreal that I've been communicating with him for over half a year and it's coming down to the last day to submit because of his negligence and laziness. It's pretty damn infuriating that I've had to do his job for him and he doesn't seem to care about it one way or the other when his paycheck depends on placing people into this scholarship program. I'm done I just had to get that off my chest. I hope tomorrow morning bright and early I get a call that I can drive somewhere to submit them and get my app in on the first boards. If not, I'm going to be pretty salty that the guy whose job it is to get people this scholarship is the reason my chances are largely diminished. /rant

EDIT: please correct me if I'm wrong about the importance of making it on the first boards. My recruiter said something like 90% of the scholarships are given out during the first one and only about 10% the second time the board meets
Im currently having the same experience with my Army recruiter. I started my packet in May... here we are mid-December and he won't answer emails, texts, or calls. Only texts me when he needs something but he won't let me know what else I'm missing in my packet. It's just getting ridiculous because the deadline for Army is coming up and I still don't know what I need to finish my application.
 
The moment you sign your contract it is binding. Candidates will either be selected or non-selected, the selected candidates will have their information from the boards sent to get scrolled, you will have a background check conducted, fill out more paperwork, and at some point you will sign your official contract.
geez another background check? I thought they already did a criminal background check beforehand while applying. and more paperwork? lol when does it stop
 
Steamy rant incoming. Please let me know if you've been in a similar situation or know if the submission date for the first boards ever gets pushed back

I've been in contact with my Navy recruiter since May. He was helpful at the beginning and told me that I would be a competitive applicant and insisted that I go through the HPSP scholarship process with him (even though I would be moving out of his region shortly after speaking with him) because he was experienced and had placed many other students into the program. It's been seven months and I've done everything he's asked of me as promptly as possible, even after he has lost forms I'd submitted to him weeks before and required me to reprint, resign, rescan, and resend them. I've had to hold his hand throughout this process and call him multiple times in an effort to get a hold of him so that we can move along at every step of the way.

I'm also applying to the USAF's HPSP and did MEPS through them. I didn't have to redo the MEPS process because I'd already been cleared, so I just sent a copy of my official paperwork to him. Well last week-- over a month since I'd submitted my paperwork to him-- he tells me that the Navy needs fingerprints to submit my kit and they were never done at MEPS since the Air Force apparently doesn't require them. I said I'd be willing to do them wherever. I'd prefer somewhere nearby but if that's not an option then I'd be willing to go to a MEPS location again to get them done. Well I call him today after my last interview to check on the status and he confirms that I will need to go to a MEPS location (closest one is over 3 hours away) and that my application won't make it to the first boards. I told him that I'm willing to drive to any of the three MEPS locations within five hours of my house tomorrow to get the fingerprints done so that I can ensure that I make it on the first board because he said before that my chances are much much higher than they would be if I'm on the second board. He doesn't seem to sense any sort of urgency when I'm telling him I'm okay with driving 8 hours in one day to get my fingerprints scanned for 5 minutes to make sure I have the best chance possible.

It's just absolutely unreal that I've been communicating with him for over half a year and it's coming down to the last day to submit because of his negligence and laziness. It's pretty damn infuriating that I've had to do his job for him and he doesn't seem to care about it one way or the other when his paycheck depends on placing people into this scholarship program. I'm done I just had to get that off my chest. I hope tomorrow morning bright and early I get a call that I can drive somewhere to submit them and get my app in on the first boards. If not, I'm going to be pretty salty that the guy whose job it is to get people this scholarship is the reason my chances are largely diminished. /rant

EDIT: please correct me if I'm wrong about the importance of making it on the first boards. My recruiter said something like 90% of the scholarships are given out during the first one and only about 10% the second time the board meets
I feel you so much right now. I missed the first Navy boards because of MEPS after spending thousands on additional testing and going back and forth with them for months. MEPS still hasn’t cleared me to come. My recruiter didn’t get me interviews until this week..
 
thats what I thought as well. Just passing along what My navy recruiter said to me.
I was just thinking and I actually remember my navy recruiter recommending that I apply to multiple branches to give me a better chance of getting the scholarship, but he also said that if I get multiple offers I should take the navy’s. So I definitely don’t think it matters.
 
A couple of questions:
1) Is it true that all Navy 3 year HPSP Scholarships are only awarded to people waitisted for the 4 year Navy scholarship the year before? Does Army and AF have the same policy for 3 year HPSP Scholarships?
2) How competitive is it to get a 3 year HPSP scholarship from any branch? How many positions and applicants are there each year? If any of you have been awarded the 3 year scholarship, please personal message me. I have more questions for you!
3) Do 2 year HPSP scholarships with a 3 year payback period exist for dental school? If so, how competitive are these scholarships?
4) Let's say I am selected for an HPSP scholarship in late January. Is it possible for me to tell the military something around the lines of "I will not accept the scholarship until I am notified of an acceptance from my top dental school (which could realistically be up until April)"?
5) Is it too late to apply for a 4 year Navy scholarship now?
 
A couple of questions:
1) Is it true that all Navy 3 year HPSP Scholarships are only awarded to people waitisted for the 4 year Navy scholarship the year before? Does Army and AF have the same policy for 3 year HPSP Scholarships?
2) How competitive is it to get a 3 year HPSP scholarship from any branch? How many positions and applicants are there each year? If any of you have been awarded the 3 year scholarship, please personal message me. I have more questions for you!
3) Do 2 year HPSP scholarships with a 3 year payback period exist for dental school? If so, how competitive are these scholarships?
4) Let's say I am selected for an HPSP scholarship in late January. Is it possible for me to tell the military something around the lines of "I will not accept the scholarship until I am notified of an acceptance from my top dental school (which could realistically be up until April)"?
5) Is it too late to apply for a 4 year Navy scholarship now?
These answers are based off of what I have been told by recruiters and others online. They may not be up-to-date or accurate so double check with others.

1) Yes. Army and AF have the same policy but the army will allow you to take an optional 20k bonus but you'll have to owe them 4 years payback instead of 3 if you choose to accept it.

2) The 3 year is less competitive for the AF than their 4 year due to more spots being open but I'm not sure if you could apply for the Army or Navy 3 year as those are given to applicants who applied for the 4 year and weren't selected.

3) These don't exist anymore.

4) As long as you have not sworn in, they will hold on to your scholarship for a short time. You have to ask each department how long that is.

5) If you've already gone through MEPS with one recruiter then maybe not but otherwise you'd have to find a recruiter that will work with you every day to get all of the paperwork, interviews, MEPS, etc done in a matter of less than a month. All of this during the holiday season when most people are off and places are closed. Get in touch with someone ASAP and ask them these questions. If you're fast enough and don't have ANY medical history whatsoever then yes you could potentially still get your stuff done on time although chances could be slim.
 
A couple of questions:
1) Is it true that all Navy 3 year HPSP Scholarships are only awarded to people waitisted for the 4 year Navy scholarship the year before? Does Army and AF have the same policy for 3 year HPSP Scholarships?
2) How competitive is it to get a 3 year HPSP scholarship from any branch? How many positions and applicants are there each year? If any of you have been awarded the 3 year scholarship, please personal message me. I have more questions for you!
3) Do 2 year HPSP scholarships with a 3 year payback period exist for dental school? If so, how competitive are these scholarships?
4) Let's say I am selected for an HPSP scholarship in late January. Is it possible for me to tell the military something around the lines of "I will not accept the scholarship until I am notified of an acceptance from my top dental school (which could realistically be up until April)"?
5) Is it too late to apply for a 4 year Navy scholarship now?

Other response by @legacybush was spot on, but I just wanted to let you know that the deadline for the 4 year Navy HPSP was on 12/13, sorry to be the bearer of bad news! The Army 4 year deadline is on 01/14, but a month might not be enough time to get everything done. You should start preparing for the 3 year scholarships by reaching out to a recruiter for each branch.
 
A couple of questions:
1) Is it true that all Navy 3 year HPSP Scholarships are only awarded to people waitisted for the 4 year Navy scholarship the year before? Does Army and AF have the same policy for 3 year HPSP Scholarships?
2) How competitive is it to get a 3 year HPSP scholarship from any branch? How many positions and applicants are there each year? If any of you have been awarded the 3 year scholarship, please personal message me. I have more questions for you!
3) Do 2 year HPSP scholarships with a 3 year payback period exist for dental school? If so, how competitive are these scholarships?
4) Let's say I am selected for an HPSP scholarship in late January. Is it possible for me to tell the military something around the lines of "I will not accept the scholarship until I am notified of an acceptance from my top dental school (which could realistically be up until April)"?
5) Is it too late to apply for a 4 year Navy scholarship now?
The only branch that offers the 2 year scholarship with a three year payback is the Air Force. I know that because I’m currently in the application process for the 2020-2021 fiscal year. My recruiter said that there are about 10 spots this application cycle but it may change/not exist for other cycles depending on what the Air Force needs.

Also I received an email from my recruiter saying that there was no update from the Air Force boards and that it would spill over to January like last year.. has anyone heard anything yet?
 
The only branch that offers the 2 year scholarship with a three year payback is the Air Force. I know that because I’m currently in the application process for the 2020-2021 fiscal year. My recruiter said that there are about 10 spots this application cycle but it may change/not exist for other cycles depending on what the Air Force needs.

Also I received an email from my recruiter saying that there was no update from the Air Force boards and that it would spill over to January like last year.. has anyone heard anything yet?

Thank you for the response! Do you all know what factors are considered for 3/2-year HPSP scholarships for students in dental school? Are DAT and GPA from undergrad still considered? Or is it mostly the volunteering and other stuff that you have managed to do in your 1st and/or 2nd years of dental school? Would an applicant from dental schools like Harvard, Columbia, and Penn have an advantage over HPSP applicants enrolled at other dental schools?
 
The only branch that offers the 2 year scholarship with a three year payback is the Air Force. I know that because I’m currently in the application process for the 2020-2021 fiscal year. My recruiter said that there are about 10 spots this application cycle but it may change/not exist for other cycles depending on what the Air Force needs.

Also I received an email from my recruiter saying that there was no update from the Air Force boards and that it would spill over to January like last year.. has anyone heard anything yet?

We must have the same recruiter because I got an email today with the same wording
 
Thank you for the response! Do you all know what factors are considered for 3/2-year HPSP scholarships for students in dental school? Are DAT and GPA from undergrad still considered? Or is it mostly the volunteering and other stuff that you have managed to do in your 1st and/or 2nd years of dental school? Would an applicant from dental schools like Harvard, Columbia, and Penn have an advantage over HPSP applicants enrolled at other dental schools?
All my recruiters told me that for 3 year they dont care about grades, those only mattered to see if you had a shot at getting into dental school in the first place. Can't imagine they're going to care where you go to school either then
 
Do they care about dental school GPA? I found that I passed my first semester, but my average is C. I am afraid of not getting accepted because of it.
 
Do they specifically ask for your grades while in school?
Sort of... Army told me to send the transcript once I finish the first semester. Air Force asked as well for the interview, but after I finished the interview, they haven't said anything about it yet. Should I wait until they ask again?
 
Sort of... Army told me to send the transcript once I finish the first semester. Air Force asked as well for the interview, but after I finished the interview, they haven't said anything about it yet. Should I wait until they ask again?
I personally would wait until they bring it up. I'm not sure which dental school you're in or what the class average is but if the average is close to your grades then I would attach those numbers to your grades to help soften the blow.
 
I personally would wait until they bring it up. I'm not sure which dental school you're in or what the class average is but if the average is close to your grades then I would attach those numbers to your grades to help soften the blow.
Ok, I will wait until they ask again. Thank you!
 
Sorry, I have a question:

so if I were to do the 3 year HPSP scholarship, does that mean I have to do 3 years of active duty plus 5 years of Individual Ready Reserve?
 
Hey everyone ! I’m finally almost done submitting my packet for the Army HPSP. Just gotta tie a loose end or two. Excited to find out ! I started the process in July to the nerves are on now. Just wanted to say hello to everyone else applying and good luck!!
Also I’ll be attending UMKC School of Dentistry ‍♀️ if anyone else here is considering going there or is going to be attending that school !
 
Damn, applied for the 4 year through Air Force and just got the call that I didn't get it. There's always 3 year, right? Does anyone know the acceptance stats for this year?
 
Damn, applied for the 4 year through Air Force and just got the call that I didn't get it. There's always 3 year, right? Does anyone know the acceptance stats for this year?
Did they put you on a wait-list or was it an outright rejection?
 
He said they'll keep my application for the 3-year but I was not selected for the 4-year.
Your chances should be much better for the 3-year considering there's more than 10 spots or whatever the 4-year has.
 
Damn, applied for the 4 year through Air Force and just got the call that I didn't get it. There's always 3 year, right? Does anyone know the acceptance stats for this year?
My recruiter just told me that they still hadn't met! Do you have any more details??
 
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