Discrimination against DOs?

[username456789]

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I guess we interpreted what he said differently. You read, " do students are slackers" and I read, " do clinical rotations are not structured," which I agree with.

The latter is absolutely what I was saying, at least in my (admittedly limited thus far) observations with DO students.

And again, although I largely find no problem with my DO co-interns, the difference does become quite apparent with the upper level (2nd/3rd year) DO medicine residents. Much of intern year is spent being a glorified secretary, at least on a medicine service. MD vs. DO doesn't really factor in as much there probably; however, when it comes to efficiently and effectively managing an entire team of patients and interns/students, that seems to be where things get dicey (again, this is limited my observations at one residency program when comparing with the medicine residency at my medical school).

 

[DrBumblebee]

I guess we interpreted what he said differently. You read, " do students are slackers" and I read, " do clinical rotations are not structured," which I agree with.

The gist of his post was to prove that DO students of whom he saw have unfortunately been receiving an inferior clinical education at his community hospital, where he's been doing residency, compared to his/her superior experiences (like coming over at 5:30am, carrying patients, cleaning poop, etc.) at his school's training hospital back at then during med school. Well, good for him/her.

He might be a nice person, and can share his such experiences in a clinical rotations thread, but I don't know why he felt so much hard-pressed to vent his feelings in this thread, which is all about nothing but discrimination against DOs.😕

 

[SpecterGT260]

We do hope the same for you, too, highness.

In that some community hospital, where you're doing your residency as an MD, DOs' showing up at 7:30am and not carrying patients must be sticking you because your MD school made you show up there at 5:00am to carry the patients (and only God knows to clean their poops, too) as a free resource. This must have been worse than a ton of scutwork for you. But, it might also have helped you to become a better care giver, in return.

Rotations are most likely about shadowing at that ward and doing solo studying for the shelf. It's your responsiblity, not the hospital's, to learn what's needed. Those DOs seem like have more time to study than you used to have, about which you might have envied, I don't now.

You cannot criticize the quality of the clinical learning before seeing those DOs' shelf exams. I imagine you'd give them bad grades if you were their attendings, though. It's that hatred leaking out from your post above, so don't try to cover your sh.t...

You has the dumb, boy...... You has it bad..... As a pre-med, honestly, you have so little understanding of what medicine is that you arent even capable quantifying your own gaps in knowledge. To compare clerkships to shadowing demonstrates only one thing: you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Also, he is describing a common hurdle with DO clinical training. Every MD school that I am aware of is associated with, or owns its own hospital. The clerkships are handled in house, the students do have the opportunity to go off site if they wish, but coordinators work with hospital faculty to make sure that clerkships are training experiences. There is no escaping that MS3-4 has plenty of scut work involved in it, but this can be a much larger problem when you have no formal affiliation with a hospital. There may be a couple DO schools with hospitals, but most of the better ones out there have established collaborations with nearby hospitals. Those who are not as good all but leave it up to you to organize your clerkships. Regardless, you have no concept of how huge a resource it is to have a home institution. There are people that manage it better and those who do worse, but GHDS is demonstrating the variability that comes with some DO clerkships.

The fact that you are arguing with a resident on this is astounding..... I said it before, these views just wont survive med school if you actually manage to get in somewhere... it is just baffling that you can be so stubborn on something you have not experienced even in the slightest. No, shadowing doesnt count 👍 4 hours around fancy blinking lights and pretending to know what is going on is not the same as having legitimate responsibilities and WORKING in the clinic for 4-6 weeks straight.

 

[felix2929]

Well, this is not the actuality!

MD schools have become like MCAT-ophyls instead of looking for all-round applicants. DO schools are more like accepting lower MCAT scores.

I've many friends having GPAs around 2.90-3.30, with a 29-31 MCAT, who are now in MD schools. I wonder if someone is that low in the GPA, how come to think about that person would be a competent student at your MD school?

DO schools compensate your lower-ish MCAT scores with your higher GPAs or strong personalities, and attract more personable applicants.

My experiences with physicians so long tell me that DOs are more down to earth persons than most of the MDs, who think themselves are like small-scaled gods on Earth. There must have been a philosophy behind this phenomenon.

Didn't read the rest of your thread but who are your friends? Those are my stats and I have ZERO MD acceptances (or interviews for that matter) and acceptances to some of the "top" (or at least the 3 oldest) DO programs in the country. I think you are off base here.

 

[DrBumblebee]

Didn't read the rest of your thread but who are your friends? Those are my stats and I have ZERO MD acceptances (or interviews for that matter) and acceptances to some of the "top" (or at least the 3 oldest) DO programs in the country. I think you are off base here.

Well, it's not common to share friends' infos here in SDN, but you can simply search the underdog threads and ask there about which MD schools they're getting acceptances from. I cannot get what you mean off base.

Besides, this isn't my thread.

 

[SpecterGT260]

The gist of his post was to prove that DO students of whom he saw have unfortunately been receiving an inferior clinical education at his community hospital, where he's been doing residency, compared to his/her superior experiences (like coming over at 5:30am, carrying patients, cleaning poop, etc.) at his school's training hospital back at then during med school. Well, good for him/her.

He might be a nice person, and can share his such experiences in a clinical rotations thread, but I don't know why he felt so much hard-pressed to vent his feelings in this thread, which is all about nothing but discrimination against DOs.😕

This is what may factor into discrimination, honestly . DO clinical training IS more variable.

What he is describing is the difference between shadowing, what you erroneously believed clerkships are about, and and actual clerkship in which you work in the department and get your ass chewed if you don't carry your weight. I'm just still shell shocked that you think you know more about clinical training than someone who has lived it.

What did you say about my ego earlier? Here's the skinny kiddo: Let's go with your logic. MD schools are just MCAT-ophiles, or whatever like to say. They only care about the MCAT and DO schools look at the whole person (just like they do for patients, amirite? 🙄) and attract shining examples of humanity to their doors. Well, since you are stubborn, argumentative, criminally mis/underinformed, and don't have a high MCAT score...... Have you looked into chiropractics? I hear they are accepting 👍

 

[cliquesh]

Also, he is describing a common hurdle with DO clinical training. Every MD school that I am aware of is associated with, or owns its own hospital. The clerkships are handled in house, the students do have the opportunity to go off site if they wish, but coordinators work with hospital faculty to make sure that clerkships are training experiences. There is no escaping that MS3-4 has plenty of scut work involved in it, but this can be a much larger problem when you have no formal affiliation with a hospital. There may be a couple DO schools with hospitals, but most of the better ones out there have established collaborations with nearby hospitals. Those who are not as good all but leave it up to you to organize your clerkships. Regardless, you have no concept of how huge a resource it is to have a home institution. There are people that manage it better and those who do worse, but GHDS is demonstrating the variability that comes with some DO clerkships.

From my experience rotating with MD kids from 3 different schools it seems like half of their core rotations are at their main hospital and the other half of their rotations are at local community hospitals, which are the same hospitals us DOs rotate at. I think it's pretty rare for an MD kid to do all of their training, or even most of their training, at their school's main academic center.

 

[username456789]

From my experience rotating with MD kids from 3 different schools it seems like half of their core rotations are at their main hospital and the other half of their rotations are at local community hospitals, which are the same hospitals us DOs rotate at. I think it's pretty rare for an MD kid to do all of their training, or even most of their training, at their school's main academic center.

I wouldn't say it's that rare. Out of my core 3rd year rotations:

Peds (6 weeks): 3 inpatient/3 outpatient, all at University Hospital
OB/Gyn: (6 weeks): all at University Hospital
Internal Medicine (12 weeks): 8 at University Hospital, 4 at Community Hospital
Surgery (12 weeks): all at University Hospital
Family Medicine (4 weeks): all at suburban clinic
Psych (4 weeks): all at University Hospital
Neuro (4 weeks): all at University Hospital

My experience was fairly typical of my class. There was an option to go to Community Hospital for OB/Gyn and half of peds.

I bear no ill will towards any DO students/physicians. I simply wish that there was more "bang" for their buck when it comes to clinical rotations, at least regarding this individual school and its rotations (as I have no experience with any other DO schools). When I realize that my supervising (DO) residents on Internal Medicine may have received similar training, I do start to wonder how comfortable they feel in their various roles as PGY-2s.

Anyway, I didn't mean to derail this thread. I was just originally responding (in a long winded fashion) to someone's comment that I rarely venture into this forum. Feel free to return to the original topic at hand.

[one last issue though: does Bumblebee actually think "carrying patients" means physically transporting them to testing areas or something? I am confused as to why he/she keeps lumping carrying patients in with "scutwork", and this is one of the few explanations that would make sense.]

 

[SpecterGT260]

From my experience rotating with MD kids from 3 different schools it seems like half of their core rotations are at their main hospital and the other half of their rotations are at local community hospitals, which are the same hospitals us DOs rotate at. I think it's pretty rare for an MD kid to do all of their training, or even most of their training, at their school's main academic center.

many state schools have a rural requirement. Mine does. I will have to do ~3 weeks during my FM rotations and potentially another one during IM. But that is it.

The point wasnt to say that DO schools are all crappy. Many of them have affiliations with very respectable hospitals. The point was to reiterate what GHDS was saying. DrBumblebutt was all upset because someone implied a hospital which routinely receives DO students doesn't have a well organized clerkship program, and decided to "tell him how it is" in all of his glorious pre-medical knowledge. The fact is, these things do happen. I don't think it is a major obstacle by any means, but to react as bumblebee did only further demonstrates his naivete and defense mechanism driven logic.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I bear no ill will towards any DO students/physicians. I simply wish that there was more "bang" for their buck when it comes to clinical rotations, at least regarding this individual school and its rotations

There has to be a good saying or addage out there or something. Something to the effect of: until you've experienced it you don't know what you have been missing? Treating 3-4th year as "shadowing" may seem normal to some people. Obviously bumblebee has no understanding of what average DO or MD clerkships are like, so his comparison isn't exactly valid anyways, but still....

You mentioned doing a TY in IM somewhere. Are you one of many IM rotation sites for this DO school, or are you their primary one?

[one last issue though: does Bumblebee actually think "carrying patients" means physically transporting them to testing areas or something? I am confused as to why he/she keeps lumping carrying patients in with "scutwork", and this is one of the few explanations that would make sense.]

Yes... I do believe that he does

 

[Skeeks]

I wasnt implying that ND training is similar to either. Just saying that because someone says so isn't justification to start granting someone elses degree.

What you were saying is that the arguement was the same, but its not because NDs are not fully recognized physicians (and by that I mean able to diagnose and treat with conventional medicine) in the sense that DOs and MDs are physicians. Its how you are presenting you argument that is wrong.

And there are people at DO schools with <3.4 GPAs (even schools with averages below this) who are carried in with their MCATs. MD schools look at the whole applicant at least as much as DO schools do, if not more (see what I did there? ). Averages are lower for both stats so, while they are climbing, your assessment is simply factually incorrect 👍

The rest of the stuff about 'more personable" and "down to earth" is just ridiculous. I understand the impulse to say and spread such things but it just really isnt true. I have attended several interviews at both MD and DO schools as well as having attended an MD school.... I gotta tell you, I didnt see anything at the DO interviews that I didnt see at MD schools (except maybe people who were more recently drawn to medicine and therefore more scattered ECs) and I cant imagine how it is humanly possible to be more personable, caring, down to earth, or whatever than the vast majority of my classmates. Pre-meds are pre-meds. PERIOD. It is stats, and to a degree family/social situations and personal preferences that makes an MD or DO, not personalities. Luckily if you do get into a medical school of any kind these thoughts simply wont survive through to residency, which is why you only see pre-meds, who honestly know bunk about the who/what/how/why of physicians, are the only ones who say this. 👍

For the first bolded section I want to point out that there are plenty of MD schools that have students like this as well, so you can generalize this statement to be DO inclusive and MD exclusive because it is not.
I think the "whole applicant" argument is false no matter who is toting it because both MD and DO school are just looking for people who fit their definition of a good physician. BOTH are going to try and "look at the WHOLE application". What I think our friend here is trying to say is that DO schools are known to put life experience outside of academia on equal level with competitive MCAT scores and GPA. This is where the claim that DOs are more down to earth and personable comes from, however, I agree that this doesnt always hold weight its just a goal that most DO schools have when selecting applicants for medical school.

But spector, that second bolded part and all that follows it is the reason behind the whole bias that MDs can come off as arrogant and not down to earth. Just take a step back and look at it from another perspective. I dont think you meant to sound mean, but you kinda came off that way.

 

[SpecterGT260]

What you were saying is that the arguement was the same, but its not because NDs are not fully recognized physicians (and by that I mean able to diagnose and treat with conventional medicine) in the sense that DOs and MDs are physicians. Its how you are presenting you argument that is wrong.




For the first bolded section I want to point out that there are plenty of MD schools that have students like this as well, so you can generalize this statement to be DO inclusive and MD exclusive because it is not.
I think the "whole applicant" argument is false no matter who is toting it because both MD and DO school are just looking for people who fit their definition of a good physician. BOTH are going to try and "look at the WHOLE application". What I think our friend here is trying to say is that DO schools are known to put life experience outside of academia on equal level with competitive MCAT scores and GPA. This is where the claim that DOs are more down to earth and personable comes from, however, I agree that this doesnt always hold weight its just a goal that most DO schools have when selecting applicants for medical school.

But spector, that second bolded part and all that follows it is the reason behind the whole bias that MDs can come off as arrogant and not down to earth. Just take a step back and look at it from another perspective. I dont think you meant to sound mean, but you kinda came off that way.

did you read the thread? Bumblebee was making the statement that MD schools only care about MCAT on the basis that he knows people with low GPA that got into MD schools. So I said the part you put in bold. In a nutshell the first thing you put in bold is exactly what you said in response to it. Regardless of how I come across, using my tone to make judgments on the admissions process is silly.... and still false regardless of how many intense or impersonal MD students he thinks he knows.

You are going to have to explain to me how recounting the caliber of my classmates is feeding into the "MDs are impersonal" stereotype 😕 I don't pretend that I was playing nice with bumblebee. That stopped after he started calling out everyone who didnt agree with him and give him a pat on the butt and a "you go get 'em champ!" on his way out .... That whole second paragraph was among the nicer and milder of the things I said to him to this point

 

[Ost3oclast]

With a thread title like this....you have to expect what it has turned into lol

 

[MedPR]

What you were saying is that the arguement was the same, but its not because NDs are not fully recognized physicians (and by that I mean able to diagnose and treat with conventional medicine) in the sense that DOs and MDs are physicians. Its how you are presenting you argument that is wrong.




For the first bolded section I want to point out that there are plenty of MD schools that have students like this as well, so you can generalize this statement to be DO inclusive and MD exclusive because it is not.
I think the "whole applicant" argument is false no matter who is toting it because both MD and DO school are just looking for people who fit their definition of a good physician. BOTH are going to try and "look at the WHOLE application". What I think our friend here is trying to say is that DO schools are known to put life experience outside of academia on equal level with competitive MCAT scores and GPA. This is where the claim that DOs are more down to earth and personable comes from, however, I agree that this doesnt always hold weight its just a goal that most DO schools have when selecting applicants for medical school.

But spector, that second bolded part and all that follows it is the reason behind the whole bias that MDs can come off as arrogant and not down to earth. Just take a step back and look at it from another perspective. I dont think you meant to sound mean, but you kinda came off that way.

Bro read more than one post before you start spewing bs.

Both MD and DO are interested in well rounded students. MD schools happen to have a larger pool of applicants with high GPAs and high MCATs and can therefore take their pick of these applicants. It doesn't mean they put less value on ECs than DO schools do.

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[K31]

DO schools compensate your lower-ish MCAT scores with your higher GPAs or strong personalities, and attract more personable applicants.

My experiences with physicians so long tell me that DOs are more down to earth persons than most of the MDs, who think themselves are like small-scaled gods on Earth. There must have been a philosophy behind this phenomenon.

So your contention is that DO student are worse at standardized tests, but compensate for this by being better people?

Hint: this isn't the way to endear yourself to your future MD colleagues.

 

[MedPR]

So your contention is that DO student are worse at standardized tests, but compensate for this by being better people?

Hint: this isn't the way to endear yourself to your future MD colleagues.

Nononono. His contention is MD students have higher MCAT scores because if you get better than a 31 you are a shoo-in for MD, but since DO care more about personality you might get rejected.

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[Balantidiumcoli]

We do hope the same for you, too, highness.

In that some community hospital, where you're doing your residency as an MD, DOs' showing up at 7:30am and not carrying patients must be sticking you because your MD school made you show up there at 5:00am to carry the patients (and only God knows to clean their poops, too) as a free resource. This must have been worse than a ton of scutwork for you. But, it might also have helped you to become a better care giver, in return.

Rotations are most likely about shadowing at that ward and doing solo studying for the shelf.It's your responsiblity, not the hospital's, to learn what's needed. Those DOs seem like have more time to study than you used to have, about which you might have envied, I don't now.

You cannot criticize the quality of the clinical learning before seeing those DOs' shelf exams. I imagine you'd give them bad grades if you were their attendings, though. It's that hatred leaking out from your post above, so don't try to cover your sh.t...

Oh Goddamn. There is just too much ''truth'' in this.

What a glorious display of winning.

 

[username456789]

Oh Goddamn. There is just too much ''truth'' in this.

You are quickly becoming my new favorite poster.

Haha. There is almost zero "truth" in that post.

Choose your role models carefully.

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

Haha. There is almost zero "truth" in that post.

Choose your role models carefully.

I idolize him in the same way I idolize Charlie Sheen.

It reminds me of how he was convinced that the tensions that were raised by him and the writers for 'Two and a Half Men' were raised because they had to go home to 'their ugly wives and ugly children'. He's just an F-18, he will destroy you.

It's not the kind of appreciation you typically want.

 

[Mr Kenobi]

Nononono.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Nononono. His contention is MD students have higher MCAT scores because if you get better than a 31 you are a shoo-in for MD, but since DO care more about personality you might get rejected.

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his posts also indicate that DO schools have higher average GPA. Guess we should let all of the school in everywhere know about their typos

 

[Instatewaiter]

Bro read more than one post before you start spewing bs.

Both MD and DO are interested in well rounded students. MD schools happen to have a larger pool of applicants with high GPAs and high MCATs and can therefore take their pick of these applicants. It doesn't mean they put less value on ECs than DO schools do.

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This isn't just an MD v DO issue.

Even within the MD world, people from the low tier (like the school I went to) would like to say that the kids at the Harvards of the world are awkward and impersonal. The reality is that all schools try to get the best out of their cohort of applicants. The Harvards however get handfulls of applicants who have a 37/4.0 and have impressive ECs/life experiences while the Rosalind Franklins may not.

Also, when I was a med student, we literally had to carry all of our patients. On our backs. It really was a bitch when you admitted 2 patients. By the time you got home your back was killing you.

 

[MedPR]

This isn't just an MD v DO issue.

Even within the MD world, people from the low tier (like the school I went to) would like to say that the kids at the Harvards of the world are awkward and impersonal. The reality is that all schools try to get the best out of their cohort of applicants. The Harvards however get handfulls of applicants who have a 37/4.0 and have impressive ECs/life experiences while the Rosalind Franklins may not.

Yes, but this is an MD vs DO thread and the discussion has been about why MD has higher median stats than DO. The stats/ECs issue isn't just about low tier vs high tier MD either. It will exist between members of the same class at the same school. While true, it isn't really relevant here.

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

Even within the MD world, people from the low tier (like the school I went to) would like to say that the kids at the Harvards of the world are awkward and impersonal.

People are funny.

That's pretty counter to what I've heard and seen... but then, maybe it's just because I live in a glass house and don't want to chuck stones.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Yes, but this is an MD vs DO thread and the discussion has been about why MD has higher median stats than DO. The stats/ECs issue isn't just about low tier vs high tier MD either. It will exist between members of the same class at the same school. While true, it isn't really relevant here.

👍
It is hard to have these talks without people extending any and all criticisms and just dumping on one or the others.

I think you nailed it: the point is that people are drawing wild conclusions off of semi-accurate anecdotal observations.

I mentioned something earlier, but it got lost in the bumble derailment. MD admissions rates for the 30-33 range (also the median score) is still only ~70% (citing AMCAS numbers off the top of my head). If DO schools were to start granting MD degrees as bumble suggested earlier, I think it would drive up competition to near current MD numbers. A single degree could work out poorly for many people working to get into DO schools right now. All of the low 30s who are waiting to re-apply next year would have a slew of new MD schools to apply to who may be hungry for higher scores.

People get so wrapped up in the MD/DO thing that they forget that every school is unique and autonomous, and interested in bringing in the highest scoring, but also the most well rounded and personable people possible.

 

[MedPR]

👍
It is hard to have these talks without people extending any and all criticisms and just dumping on one or the others.

I think you nailed it: the point is that people are drawing wild conclusions off of semi-accurate anecdotal observations.

I mentioned something earlier, but it got lost in the bumble derailment. MD admissions rates for the 30-33 range (also the median score) is still only ~70% (citing AMCAS numbers off the top of my head). If DO schools were to start granting MD degrees as bumble suggested earlier, I think it would drive up competition to near current MD numbers. A single degree could work out poorly for many people working to get into DO schools right now. All of the low 30s who are waiting to re-apply next year would have a slew of new MD schools to apply to who may be hungry for higher scores.

People get so wrapped up in the MD/DO thing that they forget that every school is unique and autonomous, and interested in bringing in the highest scoring, but also the most well rounded and personable people possible.

👍 For sure.

DO has come up at all of my interviews so far. The people I've interviewed with either aren't SDNers or are playing dumb because none of them sounded like your typical SDNer in an MD vs DO thread. I mention this for one reason only. If these people (most likely people who represent the majority of MD applicants) had seen schools that have median stats like 3.5/26, you can bet your life they would've applied and happily matriculated if that school granted an MD degree. That fact alone would raise DO matriculant medians and that's what you can expect if DO schools magically start graduating MDs.

Normal people don't apply DO for 2 reasons.
1. They don't know DO schools exist.
2. They don't want to fill out a second application.

Converting DO schools into MD schools eliminates both those reasons.

 

[Hemorrage]

👍 For sure.

DO has come up at all of my interviews so far. The people I've interviewed with either aren't SDNers or are playing dumb because none of them sounded like your typical SDNer in an MD vs DO thread. I mention this for one reason only. If these people (most likely people who represent the majority of MD applicants) had seen schools that have median stats like 3.5/26, you can bet your life they would've applied and happily matriculated if that school granted an MD degree. That fact alone would raise DO matriculant medians and that's what you can expect if DO schools magically start graduating MDs.

Normal people don't apply DO for 2 reasons.
1. They don't know DO schools exist.
2. They don't want to fill out a second application.

Converting DO schools into MD schools eliminates both those reasons.

3. Don't want to take 2 board exams
4. Don't want to learn OMM.. would rather spend time learning science
5. Want to match into a competitive field

 

[MedPR]

3. Don't want to take 2 board exams
4. Don't want to learn OMM.. would rather spend time learning science
5. Want to match into a competitive field

I don't think normal people (non-SDNers) know about 3 and 5 though.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I don't think normal people (non-SDNers) know about 3 and 5 though.

Given your number 1...

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[Hemorrage]

I don't think normal people (non-SDNers) know about 3 and 5 though.

Honestly if you're a committed pre-med and you've never heard of DO schools then i don't know what to say. I knew about DO way before coming to SDN.

 

[DrBumblebee]

👍 For sure.

DO has come up at all of my interviews so far. The people I've interviewed with either aren't SDNers or are playing dumb because none of them sounded like your typical SDNer in an MD vs DO thread. I mention this for one reason only. If these people (most likely people who represent the majority of MD applicants) had seen schools that have median stats like 3.5/26, you can bet your life they would've applied and happily matriculated if that school granted an MD degree. That fact alone would raise DO matriculant medians and that's what you can expect if DO schools magically start graduating MDs.

Normal people don't apply DO for 2 reasons.
1. They don't know DO schools exist.
2. They don't want to fill out a second application.

Converting DO schools into MD schools eliminates both those reasons.

Dude, this was in my first post in this thread, which you didn't concur. Now you support it? Nice play...👍

 

[SpecterGT260]

Dude, this was in my first post in this thread, which you didn't concur. Now you support it? Nice play...👍

He was saying it would increase competition. Basically formerly DO school mcat and GPA go up 👍

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[MedPR]

Dude, this was in my first post in this thread, which you didn't concur. Now you support it? Nice play...👍

Context clues my friend, context clues. Im saying what would happen if DO schools became MD schools.

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[DrWily]

Dude, this was in my first post in this thread, which you didn't concur. Now you support it? Nice play...👍

I am afraid for your future.

 

[DrBumblebee]

I am afraid for your future.

You're at a DO school. If you comply with what these guys are talking about your school system, then I'd rather be afraid of your future, actually.

 

[SpecterGT260]

You're at a DO school. If you comply with what these guys are talking about your school system, then I'd rather be afraid of your future, actually.

Comply... do you know what that means?

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[DrBumblebee]

Comply... do you know what that means?

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what do you mean?

 

[MedPR]

You're at a DO school. If you comply with what these guys are talking about your school system, then I'd rather be afraid of your future, actually.

Nobody has said anything bad about DO schools in here.

what do you mean?

Do you know the definition of comply?

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[DrBumblebee]

Nobody has said anything bad about DO schools in here.






Do you know the definition of comply?

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I'm now sure you and Sphinchter are one person behind the screen.

 

[MedPR]

I'm now sure you and Sphinchter are one person behind the screen.

Im in front of a screen though

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[Temperature101]

Another MD vs DO thread....GHOSH.

 

[DrBumblebee]

Im in front of a screen though

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You're, my friend, a pathetic db...

 

[MedPR]

You're, my friend, a pathetic db...

My friend, personal attacks are against the tos.

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[DrBumblebee]

My friend, personal attacks are against the tos.

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After all of your insulting posts, isn't it too late to say that?

 

[MedPR]

After all of your insulting posts, isn't it too late to say that?

Please show me where I insulted you.

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[Gastrapathy]

Threads like this help keep my vague anti-DO bias from being completely extinguished.

I was particularly entertained by a few comments (summarized by me):

we learn more in med school. You don't.

we are extra-special good people rather than cold calculating MDs. Nurses say that too. Join that club if you want.

we shadow on the wards. I honestly don't know what that means but I think it explains why we remediate a higher percentage of DO interns (although they tend to catch up after we fix the med school deficiencies). I'd rather you learned to do it yourself as a student. That would be really great.

those darn higher averages for GPA and MCAT don't mean anything. Yes they do. They predict higher board pass rates and higher likelihood of completing medical school. Do a pubmed search.

MS0. Love this affectation. Its like a cv that has "submitted to NEJM" written as if that equaled a publication. I guess I could call myself an MS20.

 

[QQm]

Threads like this help keep my vague anti-DO bias from being completely extinguished.

I was particularly entertained by a few comments (summarized by me):

we learn more in med school. You don't.

we are extra-special good people rather than cold calculating MDs. Nurses say that too. Join that club if you want.

we shadow on the wards. I honestly don't know what that means but I think it explains why we remediate a higher percentage of DO interns (although they tend to catch up after we fix the med school deficiencies). I'd rather you learned to do it yourself as a student. That would be really great.

those darn higher averages for GPA and MCAT don't mean anything. Yes they do. They predict higher board pass rates and higher likelihood of completing medical school. Do a pubmed search.

MS0. Love this affectation. Its like a cv that has "submitted to NEJM" written as if that equaled a publication. I guess I could call myself an MS20.

I can't help but notice that all the red quotes are from the same person.

You must be one of those demigod-megalomania MDs, looking down on DOs like that.

 

[Gastrapathy]

I can't help but notice that all the red quotes are from the same person.

You must be one of those demigod-megalomania MDs, looking down on DOs like that.

Definitely not all DOs. I took one into an allopathic GI fellowship (which was common where I used to work in the military but a first for our place, no PMs please). The ones that went to schools where they didn't touch patients are a real challenge in IM internship and we try really hard to figure out which schools are which. That said, if they struggle, they often have a higher ceiling than a struggling allopathic student and we get nearly all of them through.

 

[DrWily]

You're at a DO school. If you comply with what these guys are talking about your school system, then I'd rather be afraid of your future, actually.

Why should you be? I understand the "D.O. in an MD World" game very well and I intend to play it to the best of my ability.

It is well known that quite a few (not all) D.O. rotations are lackluster. It's very easy to put on rose-colored shades when you have an acceptance to medical school just like all of us did at one point. But the sooner you realize the shortcomings of D.O. training, the better you can work to beat the system. Being proactive in your education will only enhance your future quality as a physician.

Let's not forget the D.O. student who's surgery preceptor was a nurse. A nurse.

DOs are not MD+
D.O.'s aren't anymore special than MDs. We're all physicians.
MCAT >31 is not a shoo-in of anything. Nothing is guaranteed in the application process.

In the future, maybe DOs and MDs would merge, but not in our lifetime.


Edit: I also laff'd at physically carrying patients and cleaning dem "poops."

 

[Roxas]

Fun stuff.... Can't we all just get along? 🙂