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[Lawpy]

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[Lawpy]

Wait i forgot one sec pls

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet Chaos

for now

Reason besides retaliation? His tone feels very different to me here than last game.

 

[Lawpy]

Not the okays!!! 🙁

 

[WildZoo]

I looked back at it and it reads like he is continuing the joke. This seems like a reach.

Was mulling over the same thing and was gonna look back after I caught up, since by memory I thought Mel had been joking.

Of course, everyone seems to be getting hung up on jokes so far this game lol

 

[WildZoo]

What about her puts her at slight village for you?

@WildZoo what do you think about MKG's reads?

Meh

 

[Lawpy]

D2 Soft Donut Tally (version 2.1)

cubs () -
Cray (1) - bobs
Chaos (1) - AM
AM (1) - chaos

3/10 voting

Yeet close in ~8 hours

 

[WildZoo]

My meta tone reads say that bob and chaos seem ok right now. Maybe. In general having a hard time pinning people down right now though.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Oh , do you not know the meaning of the word "null"?

null = nothing , havent got either town or scum feels for them , neutral etc.

Null moreso means invalid or empty, not neutral. Have to side with Midwife on this one. The terminology conundrums you create are endless.

 

[cubsrule4e]

My meta tone reads say that bob and chaos seem ok right now. Maybe. In general having a hard time pinning people down right now though.

Agree, Bob giving off a big village vibe to me. Words and thoughts more free flowing.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I was feeling ok about Bob but this post feels fake. Might just be all the question marks though.

I think he was just amped up during his posting lol

Edit: "jump" to just

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I was feeling ok about Bob but this post feels fake. Might just be all the question marks though.

I’ve just never been in a game where no NK first night or no yeet D1.

I agree on chaos seeming village sounding. Mel seems village lean based on D1 vote outcome. Especially if there was no clue that a tie would result in no yeet.

visc and dubz in the middle. Not enough to base a read for Genny or mkg (null?)

 

[Animal Midwife]

Reason besides retaliation? His tone feels very different to me here than last game.

It's not retaliation. I voted him first.

I don't like the nonexistence questioning of any of his wolfreads (outside of me) and his continued marking of people as vt.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Why did neither Chaos or Mel self prez out of a tie? I know Mel said made some inside joke about seeing if he could get yeeted D1 or something or other but I havent seen a real explain from either.

 

[cubsrule4e]

It's not retaliation. I voted him first.

I don't like the nonexistence questioning of any of his wolfreads outside of me and his continue marking of people as vt.

Correct. I am #2 wolf read just 'cause at the moment. Only thing he said was I voted him without "Conviction."

 

[BobLoblaw78]

AM did you walk into that deliberately or

Oh yikes

I mean maybe I’m just stuck on “chaos is scum” brain mode right now but…

vote chaos

As w/w or as either way w/v?

Is this a confession 🤔🤔🤔

but fr I don’t think I’ve seen you enter a thread in a bad mood

I was assuming his post was partially serious because Dubz is known to enjoy wolfing, and the “good mood entering thread = scummy” reasoning was sus because I’ve never seen Dubz not enter a thread in a good mood

Glass houses, chaos.

I’m sticking with Cray but Visc is worse when reading through. Seems to be drumming up a lot of sus softly. And jumped on AM chaos vote to build momentum. I took AM’s vote as salt but visc as more of getting (possible) misyeet.

 

[WildZoo]

Why did neither Chaos or Mel self prez out of a tie? I know Mel said made some inside joke about seeing if he could get yeeted D1 or something or other but I havent seen a real explain from either.

Well the other explanation is we got really lucky and they're both scum

 

[WildZoo]

It's not retaliation. I voted him first.

I don't like the nonexistence questioning of any of his wolfreads (outside of me) and his continued marking of people as vt.

Tbh I forgot you were voting for him yesterday and just remembered him calling you out.

Carry on.

 

[Melchizedek]

Meh

a little more discussion would be helpful. Do you agree or disagree with any of mkg's reads? why?

 

[cubsrule4e]

I’m sticking with Cray but Visc is worse when reading through. Seems to be drumming up a lot of sus softly. And jumped on AM chaos vote to build momentum. I took AM’s vote as salt but visc as more of getting (possible) misyeet.

I like this effort by Bob and looking at it laid out like this does make me question Vis a little.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Well the other explanation is we got really lucky and they're both scum

And risk a double (likely game ending) death? Hmm

In any case,

VOTE CHAOS
(emphasis added for conviction)

 

[WildZoo]

a little more discussion would be helpful. Do you agree or disagree with any of mkg's reads? why?

I already talked about the ones that could be agreed or disagreed with. The only one I didn't mention was cubs which like...isn't a real read so.

 

[WildZoo]

And risk a double (likely game ending) death? Hmm

In any case,

VOTE CHAOS
(emphasis added for conviction)

No mod in their right mind would end a d1 tie in double death if the two players on the board were both wolves

 

[cubsrule4e]

No mod in their right mind would end a d1 tie in double death if the two players on the board were both wolves

Not even LAwpy??

 

[cubsrule4e]

I already talked about the ones that could be agreed or disagreed with. The only one I didn't mention was cubs which like...isn't a real read so.

So then what is your read on Cubs?

 

[Animal Midwife]

No mod in their right mind would end a d1 tie in double death if the two players on the board were both wolves

My angleshooting fingers are twitching.

 

[Melchizedek]

I already talked about the ones that could be agreed or disagreed with. The only one I didn't mention was cubs which like...isn't a real read so.

What's your read on mkg?

No mod in their right mind would end a d1 tie in double death if the two players on the board were both wolves

angleshooting?


edit: ninja'd

 

[cubsrule4e]

My angleshooting fingers are twitching.

Dang it... I almost called that out but I wasnt exactly sure thats what it was.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I already talked about the ones that could be agreed or disagreed with. The only one I didn't mention was cubs which like...isn't a real read so.

Did you see her later post on cubs?

 

[WildZoo]

My angleshooting fingers are twitching.

angleshooting

Y'all coordinate that?

I just feel like wolves wouldn't be too worried about both dying in a d1 tie. But if you want to use that as reasoning, feel free.

 

[WildZoo]

Did you see her later post on cubs?

No I must have missed it

 

[WildZoo]

So then what is your read on Cubs?

Don't have one yet

 

[Animal Midwife]

Y'all coordinate that?

I just feel like wolves wouldn't be too worried about both dying in a d1 tie. But if you want to use that as reasoning, feel free.

It's one thing to not worry, but a mod intentionally favoring things towards the wolves is egregious.

No I must have missed it

It's this one.

So far I actually feel ok about him, he reminds me more of how he played in RvB than in Madagascar

 

[BobLoblaw78]

My angleshooting fingers are twitching.

How would this be angleshooting? I thought that was using outside information to determine affiliation? Thanks in advance

 

[WildZoo]

It's one thing to not worry, but a mod intentionally favoring things towards the wolves is egregious.

I feel like in games this small tie resolution including double death is less likely anyway. I don't see it as favoring things towards the wolves to not have the game end d1.

But we don't have to talk about it. I was just saying I wouldn't personally use that as a reason to clear the pair.

 

[Animal Midwife]

How would this be angleshooting? I thought that was using outside information to determine affiliation? Thanks in advance

Because it is a form of outside information. It's assuming the mod would break impartialness if wolves are in grave danger.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Why are you fishing for who would have been protected?

Another shade that felt overstated from visc

 

[WildZoo]

It's this one.

I don't feel like I've personally seen enough from cubs to make that kind of determination, so I can't say I agree or disagree with her statement.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I feel like in games this small tie resolution including double death is less likely anyway. I don't see it as favoring things towards the wolves to not have the game end d1.

But we don't have to talk about it. I was just saying I wouldn't personally use that as a reason to clear the pair.

Nothing's too small coming from double factional kill + dayvig Lawpy.

 

[WildZoo]

Nothing's too small coming from double factional kill + dayvig Lawpy.

Just forget I said anything about it

Why do you think chaos didn't self prez? He was here within the last half hour of the day, tally hadn't changed.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Just forget I said anything about it

Why do you think chaos didn't self prez? He was here within the last half hour of the day, tally hadn't changed.

I'm not sure. It seems inconsistent with his earlier statement of "vt > PR" though.

 

[Crayola227]

How strange???

Conversion? What other reasons? Someone protected? Who would’ve been protected?

Why is conversion your first thought?

Conversion has been spoken of and griped about nonstop last game. And I think it was also in Babies and RvB.

I actually think it was protection. I don’t think conversion bc it has been overused lately. And I think this was supposed to be fairly straightforward game.

What would be the downside of the protected person sharing that info with village.

Why are you fishing for who would have been protected?

Not liking this whole exchange with Bob.

Sussing who Sussed me for BS reasons last game netted us our first wolf. Gonna go with that analysis again. Between all the things Bob has posted I've pointed out has bugged me, gonna say this isn't about retaliation. His sus on me feels left field and manufactured.

#### vote Bob ####

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I'm not sure. It seems inconsistent with his earlier statement of "vt > PR" though.

I can say that Mel has avoided self prez before, iirc. I think it was a, “if they are dumb enough to misyeet me then they deserve it” type attitude.

For chaos. Doesn’t make sense as villager, but makes less sense as a wolf. And both could’ve jumped on cw albeit suspicious if done

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Not liking this whole exchange with Bob.

Sussing who Sussed me for BS reasons last game netted us our first wolf. Gonna go with that analysis again. Between all the things Bob has posted I've pointed out has bugged me, gonna say this isn't about retaliation. His sus on me feels left field and manufactured.

#### vote Bob ####

Sequence: no NK was strange. Didn’t know why. Conversions was talked about a ton prior and I asked.

Makes sense to me.

Trying to play off of last game play that netted wolf is thin and manufactured. Your post seems thought out and manufactured and edited. Then using visc fishing quote which was obvious building sus. it does seem to be retaliation. All this def keeps you as number 1 in my POE.

If I flip, then my ask would be that you get flipped when it shows I am village. But I think you should flip anyway (and I really don’t want to get you out since you got out early last game.... You just seem wolfy)

 

[Animal Midwife]

I can say that Mel has avoided self prez before, iirc. I think it was a, “if they are dumb enough to misyeet me then they deserve it” type attitude.

For chaos. Doesn’t make sense as villager, but makes less sense as a wolf. And both could’ve jumped on cw albeit suspicious if done

Well, I want to hear from Chaos specifically.

 

[WildZoo]

😱😱😱

 

[Melchizedek]

Vote Visc

 

[Chaostrodon]

I get your reasons now but why at the time?

I dont follow

Why did neither Chaos or Mel self prez out of a tie? I know Mel said made some inside joke about seeing if he could get yeeted D1 or something or other but I havent seen a real explain from either.

Well the other explanation is we got really lucky and they're both scum

Wow , why is self preserving considered to be the normal course of action around here?

There are few situations where voting someone you dont scum lean just because they are the biggest counterwagon can actually be advantageous to town.

And Im not going to self prez as a VT on a random wagon

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wow , why is self preserving considered to be the normal course of action around here?

Remember last game when you when making a big deal out of how Pippy not self-prezzing?

 

[Chaostrodon]

I'm not sure. It seems inconsistent with his earlier statement of "vt > PR" though.

Are you being serous?
That was clearly a joke