Donuts and Doughnuts WW - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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Wow , why is self preserving considered to be the normal course of action around here?

There are few situations where voting someone you dont scum lean just because they are the biggest counterwagon can actually be advantageous to town.

And Im not going to self prez as a VT on a random wagon

Because you're the only person in the game who you know for a fact is village. I mean sure there are situations where you might think you're an egg that needs to be cracked anyway or you know the other person is the seer or something but like, that's hardly the case on d1.

 

[WildZoo]

Are you being serous?
That was clearly a joke

It's official. Only I understand your jokes.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Are you being serous?
That was clearly a joke

I assumed it was serious since there was no follow up real answer.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Remember last game when you when making a big deal out of how Pippy not self-prezzing?

coz Pippy was wolf and not just any wolf but a wolf with powerful abilities.
I am talking from a town perspective here.

I dont believe you lack the cognitive ability to distinguish between the two different situations of a wolf not self prezzing and town not self prezzing. I can only conclude you are doing this on purpose with dishonest intentions

 

[Melchizedek]

I dont follow





Wow , why is self preserving considered to be the normal course of action around here?

There are few situations where voting someone you dont scum lean just because they are the biggest counterwagon can actually be advantageous to town.

And Im not going to self prez as a VT on a random wagon

SDN WW vogue revolves around the idea that if you’re village, you are the only person you know for sure is village and your job is to protect yourself over anyone else that’s unknown if it comes down to it.

I don’t agree that people should blanket self-prez. There’s a time and place for it

edit: ninja’d again. I need to stop playing mobile.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Because you're the only person in the game who you know for a fact is village. I mean sure there are situations where you might think you're an egg that needs to be cracked anyway or you know the other person is the seer or something but like, that's hardly the case on d1.

The other person being a seer happens waay more often than you'd think

 

[Animal Midwife]

coz Pippy was wolf and not just any wolf but a wolf with powerful abilities.
I am talking from a town perspective here.

I dont believe you lack the cognitive ability to distinguish between the two different situations of a wolf not self prezzing and town not self prezzing. I can only conclude you are doing this on purpose with dishonest intentions

Right, one involves me pushing the yeet through.

Now please answer my question from earlier.

 

[WildZoo]

The other person being a seer happens waay more often than you'd think

Well see my memory has gone bad in my old age and I'm no longer the WW historian, so I'd have to consult @Animal Midwife for that 😛

 

[Chaostrodon]

It's not retaliation. I voted him first.

I don't like the nonexistence questioning of any of his wolfreads (outside of me) and his continued marking of people as vt.

I do not understand what that is supposed to mean

 

[Animal Midwife]

I do not understand what that is supposed to mean

1. Why are you questioning nobody but me?
2. Why does anything outside of affiliation matter?

 

[Melchizedek]

@Animal Midwife

what do you think about an mkg/dubz pack?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Well see my memory has gone bad in my old age and I'm no longer the WW historian, so I'd have to consult @Animal Midwife for that 😛

That isnt the only problem with it.

Self preservation votes are essentially the same as randomly wagonning , you no longer have control over your vote and are a mere pawn of someone who started the counterwagon and you have no idea what their intentions are

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife

what do you think about an mkg/dubz pack?

They don't seem incompatible from what I've seen. I'm okay with some pressure on mkg but I'm still undecided on dubz.

 

[Lawpy]

D2 Soft Donut Tally (version 2.2)

cubs () -
Cray (1) - bobs
Chaos (2) - AM, cubs
AM (1) - chaos
Bobs (1) - Cray
Vissy (1) - Mels

6/10 voting

Yeet close in ~5.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

That isnt the only problem with it.

Self preservation votes are essentially the same as randomly wagonning , you no longer have control over your vote and are a mere pawn of someone who started the counterwagon and you have no idea what their intentions are

I don't see how that's worse than letting yourself die and having no vote at all anymore but

 

[Chaostrodon]

1. Why are you questioning nobody but me?
2. Why does anything outside of affiliation matter?

1. Seriously midwife? You must have asked atleast 5 times as many questions to me as I have to you

2. Because VT/weak PRs have a different mindset as opposed to PRs.

 

[cubsrule4e]

1. Seriously midwife? You must have asked atleast 5 times as many questions to me as I have to you

2. Because VT/weak PRs have a different mindset as opposed to PRs.

If we are to believe this is a basics game, we shouldnt be overly dwelling on PRs anyway, just as we shouldnt be overly dwelling on Bobs conversion drivel.

 

[Animal Midwife]

1. Seriously midwife? You must have asked atleast 5 times as many questions to me as I have to you

It's not about you asking me questions. It's about avoiding interacting with anyone else.

2. Because VT/weak PRs have a different mindset as opposed to PRs.

Is that difference helpful to wolves or villagers when wolfhunting?

 

[WildZoo]

@Animal Midwife

what do you think about an mkg/dubz pack?

Sounds like fun tbh

 

[Melchizedek]

I don't see how that's worse than letting yourself die and having no vote at all anymore but

Because you've died using your voice and town, if they're playing well, should be following up on your questions and pushes because after you flip, you're a confirmed town voice with opinions that have been spelled out.

 

[cubsrule4e]

@Animal Midwife

what do you think about an mkg/dubz pack?

I could dip my toe in the Dubz pool. Nothing striking me about mkg at this point.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm still not feeling wolf!chaos here
Who is your second choice @Animal Midwife?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Well see my memory has gone bad in my old age and I'm no longer the WW historian, so I'd have to consult @Animal Midwife for that 😛

You speak as if this is a rare occurrence.

Self preservation leads to outing PRs all the time in my experience.
Even assuming a uniform distribution of the counterwagon between PRs/Non-PRs this should be happening approx 20 percentage of the time

 

[WildZoo]

Because you've died using your voice and town, if they're playing well, should be following up on your questions and pushes because after you flip, you're a confirmed town voice with opinions that have been spelled out.

And yet you've still allowed the loss of a town number in exchange for someone with unknown affiliation. Doesn't sit right with me. You do you though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm still not feeling wolf!chaos here
Who is your second choice @Animal Midwife?

I'm okay with mkg being pressured as well.

 

[WildZoo]

You speak as if this is a rare occurrence.

Self preservation leads to outing PRs all the time in my experience.
Even assuming a uniform distribution of the counterwagon between PRs/Non-PRs this should be happening approx 20 percentage of the time

We play a lot of role madness games here. You can hardly vote without hitting a PR in a lot of games. More powerful PRs specifically? I wouldn't say self-prezzing leads to them being outted more often than the wagon just existing in the first place.

I don't have specific memory of the history of self prez consequences in basics games where the ratio of PR:vanilla is much smaller. That's what I was referring to.

I think we're kind of going in circles here though and it's a lot more WW game theory and preferences at this point than anything to do with affiliation, so this is my last word on it.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm okay with mkg being pressured as well.

I can get behind that
Yeet mkg

 

[Chaostrodon]

It's not about you asking me questions. It's about avoiding interacting with anyone else.

Is that difference helpful to wolves or villagers when wolfhunting?

You know the first part is not true. Im not avoiding interacting with anyone

I do not know what you are driving at with that question , but lack of reaction to pressure / willingness to make enemies points more to VTs than not.

 

[Melchizedek]

I'm okay with mkg being pressured as well.

Can you show me what in mkg's posts has put mkg on your radar?

 

[WildZoo]

I could dip my toe in the Dubz pool. Nothing striking me about mkg at this point.

Keep your toes away from me plz

 

[Animal Midwife]

You know the first part is not true. Im not avoiding interacting with anyone

Okay, then let's see those pushes on your remaining wolf reads.

I do not know what you are driving at with that question , but lack of reaction to pressure / willingness to make enemies points more to VTs than not.

I'm saying vt vs pr is not meaningful to a villager. One is not more village than the other. This only has value to someone who has a reason to separate the PRs from the vanillagers.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Can you show me what in mkg's posts has put mkg on your radar?

It's not what she posted, but rather, the amount. She's lowposting.

 

[Melchizedek]

lack of reaction to pressure / willingness to make enemies

its like you're looking into my soul. Or at least the hollow space where mine should be I guess

 

[Melchizedek]

It's not what she posted, but rather, the amount. She's lowposting.

Can you summarize why you're voting Chaos? I'm having trouble following.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Okay, then let's see those pushes on your remaining wolf reads.

I'm saying vt vs pr is not meaningful to a villager. One is not more village than the other. This only has value to someone who has a reason to separate the PRs from the vanillagers.

I dont know what you are trying to accomplish here .
I just explained why there is a reason to seperate PRs from VTs

 

[Animal Midwife]

Can you summarize why you're voting Chaos? I'm having trouble following.

I don't like the nonexistence questioning of any of his wolfreads (outside of me) and his continued marking of people as vt.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I dont know what you are trying to accomplish here .
I just explained why there is a reason to seperate PRs from VTs

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. Regardless, you're still not doing anything about my other two concerns I keep bringing up.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. Regardless, you're still not doing anything about my other two concerns I keep bringing up.

Well , you are not pushing your "remaining wolf reads" either

 

[Animal Midwife]

Well , you are not pushing your "remaining wolf reads" either

This would be a better rebuttal if actually true. Noting the dodge again though.

 

[cubsrule4e]

unvote chaos
vote dubbie

 

[cubsrule4e]

This would be a better rebuttal if actually true. Noting the dodge again though.

It would actually be the best rebuttal if said on a playground.

 

[Melchizedek]

I like this effort by Bob and looking at it laid out like this does make me question Vis a little.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts about visc?

 

[Melchizedek]

unvote chaos
vote dubbie

oh actually elaborate on this too

 

[Animal Midwife]

unvote chaos
vote dubbie

What made you switch?

 

[cubsrule4e]

oh actually elaborate on this too

Dunno... just starting to get that not-so-phresh feeling. Dont like how she was brought up as a potential pack with someone and immediately jumped on that vote when given the chance.

Well the other explanation is we got really lucky and they're both scum

This also felt weird.

Vis, I only said I agreed with what Bob had laid out with some soft sussing attempts. Like she kinda started trying to be "in" with the joking posts at first, but then backed out and threw some shade at other joking posts.

 

[Melchizedek]

Dunno... just starting to get that not-so-phresh feeling. Dont like how she was brought up as a potential pack with someone and immediately jumped on that vote when given the chance.

it also set off my wolfdar.

Vis, I only said I agreed with what Bob had laid out with some soft sussing attempts. Like she kinda started trying to be "in" with the joking posts at first, but then backed out and threw some shade at other joking posts.

I'll iso her later to look for this

 

[WildZoo]

Dunno... just starting to get that not-so-phresh feeling. Dont like how she was brought up as a potential pack with someone and immediately jumped on that vote when given the chance.

it also set off my wolfdar.

Yeah ok. Both of you have forgotten how I wolf then.

 

[Melchizedek]

yeah heres some of my semi-serious thoughts:
genny & dubz - not wild about about them hopping on the mel train after me, although this is my first game with him so idk there could be context to this I'm missing
Mel - his comment about Dubz' entrance right under mine just really felt weird to me, idk how to explain but just the fact that 30 minutes later he made the same comment about one of the first posts of the game when he had been on way more than me just feels weird
Bob - need to think about more, so far not really a fan, more below bc he brought up the C word
Cubs - sus for the fact that he said Apple fritters were the best when they arent even donuts

I'm interested in seeing your updated reads.

 

[WildZoo]

This also felt weird.

Why?

 

[Melchizedek]

Yeah ok. Both of you have forgotten how I wolf then.

I don't think its a bus. I think it might be an attempt to get a villager voted off. There's been discussion about mkg but not a lot of action so I wouldn't put it past you to see village considering an incorrect pack and vote within that false!pack.