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FemalesCANTDriv said:
I have nothing intelligent to add to the convo so I'll just do my daily duty.

27 days!

:luck: :luck: :luck:
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I also currently do not have anything constructive to say but I just really wanted to push the duke thread part deaux up to its 500th post...:banana:

woops 501 i guess now..500 replies..oh well, here's to just one more month before waitlist movement
 
pagemmapants said:
IT'S OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. :hardy:

By the way, don't assume on pharm tests that they'll always put the name of the drug in the question stem. Sometimes they give you just the disease and ask you what the drug and MOA are! 😱 Sure, I can recreate the word "zolmitriptan" from memory. . . . ROIGHT.

:::facefirst onto desk. . . snoooooooooooooooooore:::
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Zolmitriptan tartrate or tartate or something.... I think I take that for migraines = Zomig?


Questions:

How many of the current M1's are married? Do they they integrate well with the class? If so, why? (or why not?)

How long was it for you guys to feel comfortable with the workload? (I'm imagining the first few weeks of a new, hard class...sometimes you don't feel comfortable until the first exam because then you know how to study... is it like that at all?)



Thanks for all the info about the 3rd year. What else is there to say, except all the info helps to clarify why Duke is sooooooo money.
 
Not suprised on the Peds matchs. Our tour guide bragged about one of the new docs in the department that spent a lot of time working with and talking with the med students on rotations. That personal interaction can go a long way.
 
ryandote said:
Zolmitriptan tartrate or tartate or something.... I think I take that for migraines = Zomig?


Questions:

How many of the current M1's are married? Do they they integrate well with the class? If so, why? (or why not?)

How long was it for you guys to feel comfortable with the workload? (I'm imagining the first few weeks of a new, hard class...sometimes you don't feel comfortable until the first exam because then you know how to study... is it like that at all?)

Thanks for all the info about the 3rd year. What else is there to say, except all the info helps to clarify why Duke is sooooooo money.
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I think we have like 3 married? And several engaged. Although right now I think that the married students are all living away from their spouses. One lives in another state, one is in Iraq, and the other is from Mexico? They're all still relatively young though, so if they come out with us, they just bring their spouses with them. I think that I've met more of the "significant others/fiancees"; they also come out quite a bit and get along well with the other students in our class.

I'd say that each block was an adjustment. At the beginning (molecules and cells), it's only Pass/Fail, but everyone is so used to getting As that everyone still does tons of work to get good grades. But then more and more people stop caring and start just working on passing. A lot of the adjustments had to do with testing style - the testing style for Molecules and Cells was different than the testing style for Normal Body, which was different than Neuro, etc. By that, I mostly mean that everything is integrated in Molecules and Cells, Neuro, and Body and Disease, but in Normal Body, you get separate tests for the separate subjects (anatomy, physiology and microanatomy). Also, anatomy has fill in the blanks and true/false and lab practicals, while body and disease has some short answer and essay questions, but almost everything else is multiple choice. But yeah, I think after the first test of each block you have a good idea of what to expect for the rest of the block.
 
aero said:
Not suprised on the Peds matchs. Our tour guide bragged about one of the new docs in the department that spent a lot of time working with and talking with the med students on rotations. That personal interaction can go a long way.
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Yeah, I also think that two of our class deans (who are both pediatricians) were preceptors for a small group in practice course, and took their students up to the peds wards regulary, and a lot of those students ended up choosing peds.
 
diosa428 said:
I think we have like 3 married? And several engaged. Although right now I think that the married students are all living away from their spouses. One lives in another state, one is in Iraq, and the other is from Mexico? They're all still relatively young though, so if they come out with us, they just bring their spouses with them. I think that I've met more of the "significant others/fiancees"; they also come out quite a bit and get along well with the other students in our class.

I'd say that each block was an adjustment. At the beginning (molecules and cells), it's only Pass/Fail, but everyone is so used to getting As that everyone still does tons of work to get good grades. But then more and more people stop caring and start just working on passing. A lot of the adjustments had to do with testing style - the testing style for Molecules and Cells was different than the testing style for Normal Body, which was different than Neuro, etc. By that, I mostly mean that everything is integrated in Molecules and Cells, Neuro, and Body and Disease, but in Normal Body, you get separate tests for the separate subjects (anatomy, physiology and microanatomy). Also, anatomy has fill in the blanks and true/false and lab practicals, while body and disease has some short answer and essay questions, but almost everything else is multiple choice. But yeah, I think after the first test of each block you have a good idea of what to expect for the rest of the block.
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we have 4 that are married, you forgot the one that lives WITH their spouse. a ton of people are engaged though. and a lot of them are planning on getting married this coming summer. oh grad school, how single you make me feel :-/
 
Wait. . .C.H., P.M., and W. whatever his last name is. . . who's the fourth? I know J.B. and Les ain't married, nor are W. and J. . . . I'm missing someoneeeeeeeeeee!

I'm single now too, Kirexhana! Let's go find people at the dance on Saturday!
 
pagemmapants said:
Wait. . .C.H., P.M., and W. whatever his last name is. . . who's the fourth? I know J.B. and Les ain't married, nor are W. and J. . . . I'm missing someoneeeeeeeeeee!

I'm single now too, Kirexhana! Let's go find people at the dance on Saturday!
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You forgot L W-B. YOU MUST NOT FORGET THE HYPHEN!!! By the way, B.W. does live with his wife. She came from Mexico.

Lots of people are engaged, though.
 
pagemmapants said:
Wait. . .C.H., P.M., and W. whatever his last name is. . . who's the fourth? I know J.B. and Les ain't married, nor are W. and J. . . . I'm missing someoneeeeeeeeeee!

I'm single now too, Kirexhana! Let's go find people at the dance on Saturday!
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hell yes! law, business and other grad schools, watch out, here we come!
 
Imma find me a suga' daddy ibanker from Fuqua. Aw heeeellll yeah.
 
I love that we communicate via this thread, rather than in person.

PS - Have you seen the guys from Fuqua? I wouldn't set my hopes too high if I were you.
 
diosa428 said:
I love that we communicate via this thread, rather than in person.

PS - Have you seen the guys from Fuqua? I wouldn't set my hopes too high if I were you.
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haha, there's a fuquapride thing going on tonight at legend's, i think me and c may stop by for a while, to look at the hot shirtless boys. it's either that or FOAM PARTY at blend with our law school boys.

and yes, it's a bit sad that i don't talk to you guys that much in person, but that would require spending extra time in the amphitheatre... i need daylight 🙂
 
I must say, you Dukies are without a doubt the most entertaining allo class on this board. You make this future Blue Devil proud. 👍
 
Dr Durden said:
I must say, you Dukies are without a doubt the most entertaining allo class on this board. You make this future Blue Devil proud. 👍
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hun, if you look half as good as brad pitt, i would be glad to entertain you personally. 😉

i'll make those long nights in CTL go as smoothly as possible
 
kirexhana said:
hun, if you look half as good as brad pitt, i would be glad to entertain you personally. 😉
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well as long as we're making this thread awkward, I'll go ahead and say FCD is attractive. I think most people who get waitlisted are...in my completely unbiased opinion.
 
kirexhana said:
haha, there's a fuquapride thing going on tonight at legend's, i think me and c may stop by for a while, to look at the hot shirtless boys. it's either that or FOAM PARTY at blend with our law school boys.

and yes, it's a bit sad that i don't talk to you guys that much in person, but that would require spending extra time in the amphitheatre... i need daylight 🙂
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Is this pride for the business school or pride for something else?
 
😆 So now I know that with an acceptance in hand, I'm unattractive to the upperclasswomen, but simultaneously that my odds are good with the upperclassmen.

P.S. Since we're making this as awkward as possible, Rexy, are you sure "smoothly" is the most apt of adverbs? 😉
 
MrBurns10 said:
well as long as we're making this thread awkward, I'll go ahead and say FCD is attractive. I think most people who get waitlisted are...in my completely unbiased opinion.
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:banana: (there is no blushing icon so I thought the dancing banana was appropriate)

25 days.

:luck: :luck: :luck:
 
I was in SC last year on vacation and took the 5 hour drive to the Duke campus and absolutely fell in love. I'm currently a Canadian Medical student so I don't see myself attending Duke anytime soon unfortunately 🙁 But I adore the campus/basketball team (usually)/Coach K.
 
Dr Durden said:
😆 So now I know that with an acceptance in hand, I'm unattractive to the upperclasswomen, but simultaneously that my odds are good with the upperclassmen.

P.S. Since we're making this as awkward as possible, Rexy, are you sure "smoothly" is the most apt of adverbs? 😉
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unless you like it rough, baby...


haha, i'm totally kidding, i'm not that big of a sleaze... yet
 
So I had the craziest dream last night. In my dream, I was with my dad in his office. It was pre-May 16th. I just went in there to say wassup and I think for some other reason like he had called me to tell me to come see him or something. I'm not sure cuz you know how in dreams sometimes you know why you are somewhere but you just know cuz you know... it's not like anything happened in your dream to make you think that... anyway, I'm in the office and my dad is like, "I have a surprise for you." He opens this drawer and in it I see a big acceptance packet from Duke. Literally, I got so happy I thought I was about to cry in my dream or something. It was crazy. Then the hilarious twist at the end. My dad is like... there is another surprise underneath. Underneath the Duke envelope is a Penn acceptance. The funniest part is that I didnt even interview at Penn and I was like is this a joke. And my dad was like "No... I think you should go to Penn. Forget about Duke." Then I just ignored him and left the Penn envelope in the drawer and ran outside screaming with my Duke acceptance packet. It was the best fake day of my life!!!!!! :hardy:

24 days.

:luck: :luck: :luck:
 
diosa428 said:
I think we have like 3 married? And several engaged. Although right now I think that the married students are all living away from their spouses. One lives in another state, one is in Iraq, and the other is from Mexico? They're all still relatively young though, so if they come out with us, they just bring their spouses with them. I think that I've met more of the "significant others/fiancees"; they also come out quite a bit and get along well with the other students in our class.

I'd say that each block was an adjustment. At the beginning (molecules and cells), it's only Pass/Fail, but everyone is so used to getting As that everyone still does tons of work to get good grades. But then more and more people stop caring and start just working on passing. A lot of the adjustments had to do with testing style - the testing style for Molecules and Cells was different than the testing style for Normal Body, which was different than Neuro, etc. By that, I mostly mean that everything is integrated in Molecules and Cells, Neuro, and Body and Disease, but in Normal Body, you get separate tests for the separate subjects (anatomy, physiology and microanatomy). Also, anatomy has fill in the blanks and true/false and lab practicals, while body and disease has some short answer and essay questions, but almost everything else is multiple choice. But yeah, I think after the first test of each block you have a good idea of what to expect for the rest of the block.
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Thanks for the lowdown, diosa. And I have to admit that FCD looked sharp in his red tie.
 
So has anyone else noticed that there has been a major lull in sdn activity lately. Also, there are all these threads popping up about the 2008 cycle... weird!!! Sdn is being taken over by the next generation. Sdn is gonna be crazy come May 16th. I know I'm gonna be all over the Duke thread refreshing, checking my email, and staring at my cell phone to see if I get a NC number. What was the area code again??? 919???
 
MrBurns10 said:
Please, let's stay away from this topic. It's no use speculating about a case one knows nothing about. Just remember the lax case and let's move on.
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Ya... I agree with Burnsie. Plus, the point of this thread isn't to talk about things like that. This is a support thread for those of us waitlisters, an advice thread for those who are in/WLers, and a general we all love Duke thread. As someone who has surely taken the MCAT, you should know that this article is out of the scope of this thread. 😀
 
::applauds burnsie and Females::

In other news, we only have 7 exams left. Hooray!
 
Questions for current students:

1) How is grading determined for preclinical. I believe grading is H/P/F or P/F for year 1 depending on the block. Is it the case that the top 10% (or whatever) of the class get H, or can everyone hypothetically get honors if they demolish the tests? (in other words, are you competing with your peers or the test). Also, is there any sort of ranking kept secretly by the dean to differentiate students?

2) How is grading determined for clinical rotations. The dukemed website states that the grading is H/HP/P/F. Again, how is your grade determined? Is it based upon individual criteria like the shelf exams or is it based upon how you compare to your peers? Is it truly that subjective?

3) How is AOA determined at Duke?

thanx.
 
Stolenspatulas said:
Questions for current students:

1) How is grading determined for preclinical. I believe grading is H/P/F or P/F for year 1 depending on the block. Is it the case that the top 10% (or whatever) of the class get H, or can everyone hypothetically get honors if they demolish the tests? (in other words, are you competing with your peers or the test). Also, is there any sort of ranking kept secretly by the dean to differentiate students?

2) How is grading determined for clinical rotations. The dukemed website states that the grading is H/HP/P/F. Again, how is your grade determined? Is it based upon individual criteria like the shelf exams or is it based upon how you compare to your peers? Is it truly that subjective?

3) How is AOA determined at Duke?

thanx.
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The grading during year 1 is P/F in molecules and cells (first block) and then H/P/F for the rest of the year. Honors is determined by your grade (given if you receive a 90 or above). I'm going to guess a LOT of people honored normal body, but after that I don't really know. I know that the grading during clinical years is H/HP/P/F, but I don't know how that is determined. I know, for example, in OB/GYN, the shelf doesn't count for much of your grade, but this may vary by rotation. As for AOA, your "grades" over the first two years are averaged (based on how many H, HP, P and F you got, not by the actual numerical grades that you got in each class) and then they send out applications to the top 20? or so students. Not sure about that number. And then, based on your grades and application info, they decide who gets AOA.
 
Also, according to my dean, there is no internal ranking. The only time they use ranking is to determine AOA, but you don't get a number and your residency LORs state that Duke does not rank its students.
 
Stolenspatulas said:
Questions for current students:

1) How is grading determined for preclinical. I believe grading is H/P/F or P/F for year 1 depending on the block. Is it the case that the top 10% (or whatever) of the class get H, or can everyone hypothetically get honors if they demolish the tests? (in other words, are you competing with your peers or the test). Also, is there any sort of ranking kept secretly by the dean to differentiate students?

2) How is grading determined for clinical rotations. The dukemed website states that the grading is H/HP/P/F. Again, how is your grade determined? Is it based upon individual criteria like the shelf exams or is it based upon how you compare to your peers? Is it truly that subjective?

3) How is AOA determined at Duke?

thanx.
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1. For block 1, grading is P/F. For blocks 2-4, grading is H/P/F. It's completely true that theoretically, everyone can get honors...there is no curve, you just need to achieve a certain score. For block 2, that's >90 in 2 out of 3 course and >85 in the third. For block 3, it's straight >90. And for block 4, it's >90 avg, >87 avg + honors in 2 out of 3 labs, or >85 avg + honors in all 3 labs. There is a ranking only insofar as AOA is concerned, which usually goes to the top 25% of the class. Beyond that, however, your rank is not given to residency programs. In other words, your rank will only be told to programs you apply to if it helps you...remember, Duke wants everyone to get into the best program they can.

2. Grading for clinical rotations is H/P/HP/P. How your grade is determined depends on the rotation...for IM and surgery, for example, the shelf exam makes up about 25% of your overall grade. The rest of it is subjective. For other rotations, like Ob/Gyn, the shelf matters very little and it's almost all subjective. How much competition there is between students I have no idea...I would imagine that there is no upper limit on the # of honors a resident/attending could hand out for a rotation, but I honestly am not sure.

3. See answer to #1.

Hope that helped!

Edit: dammit diosa, you're too quick, woman!
 
wow, you guys are awesome. thanx for the quick replies.

out of curiosity, what portion of your 100 classmates tend to shoot for honors? it must be pretty damn hard to hit 90+ consistently without burning out.
 
Stolenspatulas said:
wow, you guys are awesome. thanx for the quick replies.

out of curiosity, what portion of your 100 classmates tend to shoot for honors? it must be pretty damn hard to hit 90+ consistently without burning out.
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I am not sure, but I think a lot of people get honors. People here generally do not talk about grades, but we all hear things from time to time. My gut feeling is that a lot of people pull it off.
 
Dookter said:
I am not sure, but I think a lot of people get honors. People here generally do not talk about grades, but we all hear things from time to time. My gut feeling is that a lot of people pull it off.
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But by "a lot" I really don't think it's more than 1/3 of the class, maybe 40%. They quoted to use before normal body that usually about 1/3 of the class honors the block, so I'm assuming that's around the average for the other blocks. Body & Disease sucks though...it is looong and arduous. so if you want honors in a block, don't make it this one.

AOA is the medical school honors society.
 
MrBurns10 said:
But by "a lot" I really don't think it's more than 1/3 of the class, maybe 40%. They quoted to use before normal body that usually about 1/3 of the class honors the block, so I'm assuming that's around the average for the other blocks. Body & Disease sucks though...it is looong and arduous. so if you want honors in a block, don't make it this one.

AOA is the medical school honors society.
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Yeah I think 30-40% probably honored Normal Body, but I think this block (body and disease) a fair number of people stopped caring so much. It's a rough block.
 
diosa428 said:
Yeah I think 30-40% probably honored Normal Body, but I think this block (body and disease) a fair number of people stopped caring so much. It's a rough block.
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Or, like me, they cared the same amount but found that their efforts were less successful come exam time.
 
Are the people interested in competitve specialities the ones that care more about their grades?

wow AOA seems tough to get at Duke if such a big fraction of the class Honors each block. One slip and.... boom. Thats the sound of a turd hitting your work ethic.
 
Stolenspatulas said:
Are the people interested in competitve specialities the ones that care more about their grades?

wow AOA seems tough to get at Duke if such a big fraction of the class Honors each block. One slip and.... boom. Thats the sound of a turd hitting your work ethic.
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I don't really look at it quite like that. Duke students do well, and they match well. AOA isn't really something that people even talk about...or at least I have never had a conversation about it. I would not even know what it is without being on SDN. The thing is that I can be pretty certain I won't get AOA. It's not that my grades are sub-par, etc. It's just how the statistics work out... It's not going to make or break anyone around here. So don't be skurr'd.
 
Dookter said:
I don't really look at it quite like that. Duke students do well, and they match well. AOA isn't really something that people even talk about...or at least I have never had a conversation about it. I would not even know what it is without being on SDN. The thing is that I can be pretty certain I won't get AOA. It's not that my grades are sub-par, etc. It's just how the statistics work out... It's not going to make or break anyone around here. So don't be skurr'd.
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eh, for some of the more competitive specialties greater than half the residents are AOA. That doesnt mean that you need AOA, but of course, it does help a lot.

Oh yea, its really hard not to be skurr'd right now. 1 year of preclinical. AHh!

But its good to hear that it sounds like there isnt really a competitive environment bw the students.
 
Stolenspatulas said:
Are the people interested in competitve specialities the ones that care more about their grades?

wow AOA seems tough to get at Duke if such a big fraction of the class Honors each block. One slip and.... boom. Thats the sound of a turd hitting your work ethic.
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I think, in general, the people who stress about getting honors are the ones who are used to getting the best grades (which, granted, is most of us) and can't stand the idea of "just passing", which I also had issue with at one point. Honestly, first year grades do NOT matter. I actually had a problem mid-year about stressing too much about honors and getting upset with myself if I didn't do as well on a test (I remember getting a little upset over a 90 one time. that's not healthy). So I talked to my advisory dean and he set me straight. 1st year grades comprise 1-2 sentences of your entire dean's letter. It is one of the last things residencies care about, particularly coming from Duke where they know the classes go quickly. And this is coming from a radiologist, and radiology is a competitive specialty.

I'm not at all putting down people who go for honors. Like I said, I used to be one of them and I certainly try to do my best even in B&D. Some people are so gifted that they don't have to study much and they still get 95's on every test. Unfortunately, I'm not like that and I've made the decision to do the best I can without stressing about it.

So it's completely up to you how you want to do it. 2nd year grades, on the other hand...now those matter.
 
Dizamn... this thread blew up. Burnsie and Diosa are competing for who can answer questions more quickly. I think yall are trying to AOA sdn :meanie:
 
Don't get me wrong... I have some of these same questions also so thanx for all of the responses.

PS: I don't ask the questions cuz I'm not baller enough to get in... 🙁
 
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