Female medical student and feeling like I will be forever alone

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Maybe for less than a week. Everything out of a 22 year olds mouth is pure idiocy. Unbearable.

Oh I have heard some real gems from 30 year olds as well. It's not the age, it's the person.

Our society is all about delaying that transition to adulthood as long as possible. Often in the 30s these days before people really mature and cut the cord from their childhood. Some people are exceptions are do it earlier. Some never do (an ex gf's mother comes to mind - high schoolers had a better grasp on the world than she did).

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you guys are giving models way too much credit. I would not call them 10/10s. In real life, they are downright weird looking. If you see them on the street, they almost look alien, especially the runway ones. The business has a particular 'look' that models have to have for whatever reason. It isn't necessarily what the rest of us would call a 10. I've dated a few. The fashion business is just weird all around.

I agree that many runway models could not meet most of our qualifications in real life as being a 10. Karlie Kloss comes to mind and many others are as you say, downright weird looking.

But there are many others especially those we would classify as the supermodels of the 90s and print models who are beautiful in real life. I've seen both Cindy Crawford and Christie Brinkley in real life, on vacation, and thought they were both stunning without the benefit of hair and make up, lights and photography.

Print models and actresses tend to have more conventional forms of beauty and I use them as examples of 10s in my posts above.

Those type of models/actresses are what I'm talking about and I've still yet to see any nurse approach that level of beauty.
 
Me me me me me me. I don't want to be foreveralone, but I'm not looking for a boyfriend or anything. Anyone else feel lonely? By the way I'm not depressed.

Sure you may not be depressed, but you sound narcissistic and confused as ****, and you know what my experience says: depression, confusion, and narcissism walk hand-in-hand. And in a thread wondering whether others feel the same, about being forever alone? I'll reference the poster above and call bull****.

I found a girl in her early 20s. I'm in my late 20s. She's not the easiest to deal with. But she doesn't need me to be a movie star. And by being a bit modest, she never worries about never being in a relationship.

If for whatever reason the relationship doesn't work out, as far as cock carouseling crazies, I can smell them a mile away. Next please.

On the other hand, the last thing in the world I would want is a woman with a lot of dating experience. Yeah, sure, "mature." Mature as in has spent the fertile years dating thugs in serial short term relationships? This isn't immaturity. It is madness. It is red flag for a history of self destructive behavior and a constitutional character deficiency. That stuff doesn't change over time. It just buries itself.

I'll accept a history of immaturity, but not a history of delusion. I'm not looking to validate or reinforce the madness of younger women by giving concessions to older ones that refused to accept the basic tenets of civilized behavior, because they thought they could "settle down" after being jackasses. You've got the scarlet letter.

So let's see. Standards. Under 25, and civilized? This might exclude a good 95% of the female population in the States but not all is lost. There are still nice girls in the South... and East Asia. Not all cultures, or all parts of our culture, have rejected sanity.

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But in all seriousness. My class has some darn good looking boys and girls. On the contrary, my undergrad classes were mostly filled with rather "unattractive" people.
 
Print models and actresses tend to have more conventional forms of beauty and I use them as examples of 10s in my posts above.

See, here's the problem with that...

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(^no nudity, but may not be safe for work)

I can't even imagine raising a daughter anymore. The girls I have dated have been so screwed up by Vogue and Victoria's Secret and the like. So, so many issues. Eating disorders is only the beginning...
 
The best rating system I've ever heard of is binary (0 or 1). Either you're attracted to that person or not. Differentiating between a 7 and 8 or 9 and 8 or whatever is pretty fruitless and pointless IMO. And I'm not even sure what a 10 is. Perfection? I've yet to meet a perfect person and airbrushed photos don't count.

But that's just me.
 
The best rating system I've ever heard of is binary (0 or 1). Either you're attracted to that person or not. Differentiating between a 7 and 8 or 9 and 8 or whatever is pretty fruitless and pointless IMO. And I'm not even sure what a 10 is. Perfection? I've yet to meet a perfect person and airbrushed photos don't count.

But that's just me.

ohh the binary system, that is the truest model of all
 
The best rating system I've ever heard of is binary (0 or 1). Either you're attracted to that person or not. Differentiating between a 7 and 8 or 9 and 8 or whatever is pretty fruitless and pointless IMO. And I'm not even sure what a 10 is. Perfection? I've yet to meet a perfect person and airbrushed photos don't count.

But that's just me.

You are noob sir.

The 1-10 rating scale has been with us dating back thousands of years for a reason and to suggest it's useless goes against all bro rules written down even when consulting the mayan tablets. How else can bros compare two girls to each other? If I am talking to a bro, how else can I give him an idea of the attraction level of a chick I am talking about? How else can I tell a bro how much more attractive a girl is pre- and post-makeup (generally a max of 4.5 increase)?

Kal El, sir, I am dissapoint
 
See, here's the problem with that...

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3609/3510672928_3abf0913e2.jpg
(^no nudity, but may not be safe for work)

I'm quite familiar with the use of Photoshop/other apps/filters in photography. While hardly new (they were even doing it back in the day when I did some child modeling), the extent to which it is done now is ridiculous.

My point about however was that I had seen both Cindy Crawford and Christie Brinkley without makeup/without Photoshop and I still thought that they were much lovelier in person than any nurse I've ever seen. Yes they weren't as hot as their photos but they were still much more beautiful than anyone else.

I can't even imagine raising a daughter anymore. The girls I have dated have been so screwed up by Vogue and Victoria's Secret and the like. So, so many issues. Eating disorders is only the beginning...

I'm glad you recognize that because there has been literature that suggests men are also affected by those pictures and by plastic surgery.

I see young men in the office with their wives and girlfriends who seemingly have no idea what a natural breast is supposed to look like because all they ever seen are augmented ones. Same goes for body hair (or the lack of).

So it goes both ways: girls and women feel bad about their normal bodies and so seek to fix them with extreme diets and surgery and then men become disillusioned with what is natural beauty.
 
ws, you are wise beyond your years. Call me :love:
 
You are noob sir.

The 1-10 rating scale has been with us dating back thousands of years for a reason and to suggest it's useless goes against all bro rules written down even when consulting the mayan tablets. How else can bros compare two girls to each other? If I am talking to a bro, how else can I give him an idea of the attraction level of a chick I am talking about? How else can I tell a bro how much more attractive a girl is pre- and post-makeup (generally a max of 4.5 increase)?

Kal El, sir, I am dissapoint

Well played.
 
So it goes both ways: girls and women feel bad about their normal bodies and so seek to fix them with extreme diets and surgery and then men become disillusioned with what is natural beauty.

I don't know if it's the guys' fault. It seems like every girl wants to be tall, emaciated skinny, platinum blonde, tanned Caucasian, with D cups, a thin concave nose, and zero body hair. Most guys I know don't actually desire this look though. Most guys want a kelly clarkson or scarlett johansen, czj, or angelina (my personal definition of a 10). Not a Lindsay lohan or paris hilton barbie doll (although I guess some do). Yet the majority of girls want to transform themselves into this.

So I think it's mostly the girls and their magazines causing this, not because the guys all got together and agreed that's what perfection is. Kinda the same way dudes compete with each other for the biggest muscles when most girls are turned off by muscles beyond a certain point.

Edit: I think the fake breasts thing is a cultural/class thing. Almost every single guy I know thinks fake tits are gross. There are certain other segments of society where the guys go nuts over that kind of thing. I am sure you see this difference in your patient population.
 
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Most guys want a kelly clarkson...... Not a Lindsay lohan

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Does not compute...
 
I don't know if it's the guys' fault. It seems like every girl wants to be tall, emaciated skinny, platinum blonde, tanned Caucasian, with D cups, a thin concave nose, and zero body hair. Most guys I know don't actually desire this look though. Most guys want a kelly clarkson or scarlett johansen, czj, or angelina (my personal definition of a 10). Not a Lindsay lohan or paris hilton barbie doll (although I guess some do). Yet the majority of girls want to transform themselves into this.

Agreed - its not men's fault. I see those kind of women all over town and agree that most men, if given a choice, would prefer the latter types you've listed (although Kelly Clarkson somewhat surprised me, guess she's not my type :laugh: ).

Are you familiar with the work on pornography shapes our definition of what is desirable? For example, the lack of pubic hair which is the standard or norm in men's magazines and films. We had a lengthy thread about that here awhile back. A generation ago no adult man would have professed a preference for an adult woman to be clean shaven but many SDNers (and presumably others) did. This has likely contributed to women's belief that having hair "down there" is undesirable.

So I think it's mostly the girls and their magazines causing this, not because the guys all got together and agreed that's what perfection is. Kinda the same way dudes compete with each other for the biggest muscles when most girls are turned off by muscles beyond a certain point.

Edit: I think the fake breasts thing is a cultural/class thing. Almost every single guy I know thinks fake tits are gross. There are certain other segments of society where the guys go nuts over that kind of thing. I am sure you see this difference in your patient population.

Perhaps. You do have a point about it being affected by SES although I see many men with money (but not necessarily class ;) ) buying their WAGs implants.
 
You guys aren't working in the right hospital if you never see hot nurses.

So many hott nurses, techs, social workers, dietary, PT, speech path, etc. Meanwhile, the resident girls are either married/engaged, plump, or hit...some all of the above, somehow.
 
Ehh the ones lecturing to you generally have a pretty good clue what they are talking about. Any ICU nurse with >2 years experience would certainly know a heck a lot more than any 3rd year med student IN the ICU setting.

The new nurses are too busy with the actually job to bother med students.

At my hospital the ED and ICU has the most attractive nurses.

I was trying to find the San Diego State school of nursing video but couldn't find it on you tube. Anyways this will do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J633tHumloU
 
So you're saying that a "majority of girls want to transform themselves into this:"

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How is wanting to look like Angelina Jolie or Gisele Bundchen any different than wanting to look like Lindsey Lohan?

At the end of the day, girls are taught consistently to be insecure about whatever they look like...and to focus on fixing. Be desirable or nobody will want you! You can never be too thin! If you weren't hit on, you're not pretty enough.

I think I'm a fairly smart cookie but I actually spent years DEPROGRAMMING that ****. I don't have to be the prettiest girl in the room. Wow...why the **** was I brainwashed into thinking I did? I don't have to feel like trash if I can't squeeze into a size 2...wow, I still deserve happiness? If the guy I like didn't stare back, am I so much less attractive than I thought I was? Omigod, call an ambulance. Pshhh...what a waste of brain energy. We really drain little girls with this nonsense.

Now, when a guy stops to tell me I'm pretty in a gas station...okay. I forget about it 2 minutes later. It's not my source of validation.

Lol.

Even more evidence would be the model dating a rock star. Have you seen most of these guys?

The sickest trick ever pulled on women is making them so focused on being desirable that so many forget to focus on what it is they desire. Their self esteem/value depends on doing whatever it takes to get that attention/validation. I know plenty of girls who actually feel irritated, insecure, and undesirable if they are with a guy who is better looking than she is. Wtf??
 
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I actually agree with you for once.
One of these girls I dated would become angry at me when I would exercise and try to eat healthy. She would tell me things like I was sickeningly skinny (at a BMI of 23, when hers was less than 17) and looking back, purposely tried to make me fatter and would criticize me if I did things like buy a fashionable piece of clothing, get a nice haircut, or do anything to make myself look better. At first I thought it was her trying to make me undesirable to other girls and keep me to herself, but I think what you said has a lot to do with it -- I unintentionally made her feel bad about herself. I felt kind of bad for her that the modeling business got their hands on her at the vulnerable age of 15 and told her she was too fat at a bmi of 18 or so.
 
Sad to note that this thread is slowly dying.

And also sad because it was my source of entertainment for almost the entire week.
 
It's not about being a player. Even it you're not after a hook-up and want a relationship, the principle is the same. Ok, so you're a girl. You've got guy number 1: med student, nice, not a 10/10 but cute enough for you. He's funny, a little shy maybe, and talks to you all the time, maybe even tries to flirt with you a little bit, but you're not sure. This has been going on for months, but he hasn't asked you out yet. You're not sure if he really likes you or not, or maybe he's a virgin and scared of making the wrong move. Then comes along guy number 2. Better looking and more confident. Immediately starts flirting with you and you respond and asks you on a date, you accept, go on the date, he asks if you want to hang out as his place later, you want it, you do it, done. Maybe you never see him again, maybe you're married to him in a year. Doesn't matter. He managed to do in a few days what the other guy failed to do in a couple of months. Guy number 2 would never have wasted months chasing you around trying to make a move. If you're not a match for him, he brushes your 'no' off and finds someone who is. Until guy number 1 learns to be assertive and is ok with getting rejected he's going to get his heart broken over and over by watching the girls he talks to partner up with someone else. Make sense?

I also disagree with being an ******* to girls at first. Be yourself. If you are an ******* at heart, then you will attract a certain type of girl. You will not attract all girls. If you purposely try to be an ******* when you are really a nice guy, you'll attract nobody. Bad advice.

Ah... I remember my old PUA days, lol
 
There was a married student in one of my classes. He came to class every single day except for the final exam (with no make-up option). He had a baby at home. Do I understand it? Yes. Would I put myself in that position? No. Personally, I loved being single during school. It has its advantages.
 
You are noob sir.

The 1-10 rating scale has been with us dating back thousands of years for a reason and to suggest it's useless goes against all bro rules written down even when consulting the mayan tablets. How else can bros compare two girls to each other? If I am talking to a bro, how else can I give him an idea of the attraction level of a chick I am talking about? How else can I tell a bro how much more attractive a girl is pre- and post-makeup (generally a max of 4.5 increase)?

Kal El, sir, I am dissapoint

If this doesn't work I suggest the March madness system or bowl system. Let me explain.
1. The MM system. Use a 1-16 number rating for 4 regions. This 10/10 you all speak of might be a 1 seed in the south, but not the number 1 overall, which was actually the 9/10 in the mid west.

2. The bowl system. There are 34 bowl games with 5 BSC games. The 10/10 could be the BSC championship participant along with the 9/10. Or maybe there is a strong mid major out there who surprised us all and got a fiesta bowl bid.

I assume you all can figure this new system out haha
 
As a female medical student in her 2nd year, in her early 20s, and observing most of the class becoming either married, engaged, in long term relationships, or pairing up...I am beginning to feel that I may be forever alone and eventually die alone.

I mean I'm not ugly or anything. Seriously. Or obese. Or even fat. Or even unattractive. I dress well, eat well, groom well, exercise, and in general, take care of myself. But I feel, every day, I am getting older and older...and that's not stopping any time soon?

Any other students single and feeling like the odd man out? I've been single for 2 years and seems like that trend will continue. I mean, I don't even want a boyfriend or want to be tied up. But it just feels odd to be single in a pool of pairs.

Med school just sucks in the dating scene.

I guess we can all die alone. Together.

(and no, I am not depressed in any sense.)

The rant of the day. And my very first post.


Hi Waunder22,

Just wanted to offer some encouragement. I am in a position similar to yours: early 20s, recent graduate from pharmacy school, and single. Pharmacy school, like your med school, was not an ideal place to date. You are not the only young, successful, single woman out there; there are plenty of us like you. If this helps at all, try to think of your current single state as an opportunity to fully immerse yourself in your studies, free of distraction. I know that for me, being single in pharmacy school helped me to finish the program, being that I am someone who studied more than most.

Another thing that helped me was rethinking my standards for what type of man I would like to date. I used to think that I could only date men whose education is equivalent to mine, but now I realize that the most important qualities in a man are 1.) Kindness, and 2.) a strong work ethic, regardless of what type of job he holds or how much money he makes.

The New York Times article, "China’s ‘Leftover’ Women," was very interesting to me because I think it is also applicable here in the US. Dating and marriage seems a lot less daunting when I consider that there are still good men in the world, but perhaps they might not be as rich or educated as I have been brought up to prefer. Women today have more opportunities than ever before, but this also means that the traditional idea of marriage, where the husband is more educated and makes more money than the wife, may no longer hold true anymore.

I know you are super busy in med school right now, but if you are not already doing so, consider doing a hobby that you enjoy, even if it's only once a month and you have to pencil it into your calendar! Now that I have graduated, I am beginning to resume my hobbies (still putting them on my "schedule" however) and find that this makes being single a lot more enjoyable, not to mention distracting me from the fact that I'm single while many of my friends are having babies. We are both young, and have plenty of time to find the right man. Although I haven't met you in person, you sound like a wonderful person and when the right man comes into your life, he will know how to appreciate you! So for now, just know that you have other Single Lady buddies out there, even if we may not be at your medical school :)
 
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Hang on princess :)
 
How do you guys find time for this crap?

Nevermind. I see the appeal, I guess. Leaving before I get sucked in.
 
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I'm glad it was only a rant, right?

That thing about everyone else pairing off is just your imagination playing tricks on you.

As you said, you're young, beautiful and essentially a DOCTOR.

I guess that makes you a bit unapproachable to derelicts. That's actually a good thing, right?

Just keep looking on the bright side, you could have been short, fat, ugly, NOT a doctor, and alone. You only have the alone part right now. You'll be thankful when you're swept off your feet by the right one rather than getting Mr. Right now, and going through a painful divorce...


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Okay, so I was going to reply to a post above, and I thought my reply was going to show up in a way that was somehow linked to the post. My initial reply ended up at the bottom of this forum post and seemed kind of out of place.

Please disregard...
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I don't need to move. An Indian doctor in America is at the top of the food chain. Women and their families will come to me, and I'll get to pick one much like you or I would choose a new television.

Just gotta get past Anatomy, then STEP1, then rotations, then interviews. Ah well, we all gonna make it.

Most of the 3rd and 4th year Indian guys I know can't find a girl because they have no game and have been too babied by their parents.
 
The Indian dudes in this thread will know what we mean. To American women, Indian doctors are 4s. To Indian women we're 10s, haha.

There were a bunch of Indian residents that I knew and I had never met their wives (or even known they were married). These guys were below average in appearance, although very nice people. When they graduated, their wives came, of course, and they were all substantially better looking than their husbands. But at the same time, chances are those were all arranged or semi-arranged marriages (no offense to anyone).
 
There were a bunch of Indian residents that I knew and I had never met their wives (or even known they were married). These guys were below average in appearance, although very nice people. When they graduated, their wives came, of course, and they were all substantially better looking than their husbands. But at the same time, chances are those were all arranged or semi-arranged marriages (no offense to anyone).

what's your point? how many couples do you know where the husband is better looking than the wife? a doctor has money, status, job security, intelligence, compassion etc.
 
There were a bunch of Indian residents that I knew and I had never met their wives (or even known they were married). These guys were below average in appearance, although very nice people. When they graduated, their wives came, of course, and they were all substantially better looking than their husbands. But at the same time, chances are those were all arranged or semi-arranged marriages (no offense to anyone).

You should get out more.

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There were a bunch of Indian residents that I knew and I had never met their wives (or even known they were married). These guys were below average in appearance, although very nice people. When they graduated, their wives came, of course, and they were all substantially better looking than their husbands. But at the same time, chances are those were all arranged or semi-arranged marriages (no offense to anyone).

If they were IMGs, then yes, probably arranged. Although, 3 years of residency will definitely age you quicker than average.
 
Most of the 3rd and 4th year Indian guys I know can't find a girl because they have no game and have been too babied by their parents.

They'll be fine when they get into residency. They don't really need game. They'll get more proposals than they'll know what to do with.

In the meantime they'll prolly go to AAPI MSRF events or something.
 
Nope, I have no thoughts, good or bad, about the poster who made that comment.



Again, I think most of you are talking about very young women. Women in their teens and 20s are notorious for this kind of behavior. The fact that the OP is in her early 20s and is bemoaning the fact that she will "foreverbealone" because she hasn't found a mate yet is ridiculous and you're right - she is looking for people to tell her that she is lovable and dateable.

When *most* women mature, they gain confidence and self-assurance. I've experienced it myself and I hear it everyday from patients as they talk about aging. We don't need others to define us, tell us we're beautiful or desirable.

Young men also lack confidence in dating relationships. Its not that the alpha males get all the girls because they treat them like ****, its because the young woman misinterprets that as confidence and power. Frankly, young men are just as guilty. I'll bet every woman here has a nice male friend who is crazy about some bitchy girl who treats him horribly. Yet he keeps going back for more.

As for the "crazy = better in bed", my male friends tell me that is only true in very young women. By the time most women are over 30, the are confident enough to feel comfortable asking for what they want and having a freer sexual experience. The crazy ones are usually fairly psychologically damaged by that time, that they become less and less attractive to potential partners. The exceptions end up on reality shows, with equally psychologically damaged males. :laugh:



This is the reason I'm attracted to older women. Im 25, and even though girls my age are at their physical peak, they just don't get it and the constant need for approval and self assurance they require is unattractive. I try to date women that are maybe 8-10 years older, but they don't seem interested.
 
This thread was randomly revived. Score.
 
OP said she doesn't want a boyfriend but doesn't want to be single?

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This is the reason I'm attracted to older women. Im 25, and even though girls my age are at their physical peak, they just don't get it and the constant need for approval and self assurance they require is unattractive. I try to date women that are maybe 8-10 years older, but they don't seem interested.

Older single women who are attractive will most definitely have issues along with anything ranging from a wierd to horrific history. The only exception will probably be someone who's divorced fresh (unless it was her fault of course).
 
Older single women who are attractive will most definitely have issues along with anything ranging from a wierd to horrific history. The only exception will probably be someone who's divorced fresh (unless it was her fault of course).

Nah thats not necessarily true. Also a lot of single women in their 30s take very good care of their bodies, whereas most women in their 20s up to 25 are saved only by metabolism.

A divorced women is far more likely to have issues than a single woman in her 30s
 
Nah thats not necessarily true. Also a lot of single women in their 30s take very good care of their bodies, whereas most women in their 20s up to 25 are saved only by metabolism.

A divorced women is far more likely to have issues than a single woman in her 30s

Lets also not forget that the older woman with a professional career has the money to pay for a personal trainer, expensive creams and clothing and maybe more motivated to work on those things than the young woman.
 
Nah thats not necessarily true. Also a lot of single women in their 30s take very good care of their bodies, whereas most women in their 20s up to 25 are saved only by metabolism.

A divorced women is far more likely to have issues than a single woman in her 30s

You mean after the damage has been done though?

A lot of people tend to classify women by age groups without realizing that an older age group was once in the younger age group. Same women in their 30s went through years of drinking and more or less sleeping around.
 
You mean after the damage has been done though?

A lot of people tend to classify women by age groups without realizing that an older age group was once in the younger age group. Same women in their 30s went through years of drinking and more or less sleeping around.

What damage though? I'm a male in my 30s and I feel a lot better physically, emotionally, and intellectually than I did in my 20s. There's plenty of single women in their 30s who are the same. People are so obsessed with relationships these days but the reality is that relationships pretty much suck and having kids is not easy work.
 
What damage though? I'm a male in my 30s and I feel a lot better physically, emotionally, and intellectually than I did in my 20s. There's plenty of single women in their 30s who are the same. People are so obsessed with relationships these days but the reality is that relationships pretty much suck and having kids is not easy work.

They do until you find the right person to marry. If it still sucks then, you've probably chosen poorly. :laugh:
 
Lets also not forget that the older woman with a professional career has the money to pay for a personal trainer, expensive creams and clothing and maybe more motivated to work on those things than the young woman.


hahahahhahaha what? It's not that hard to get your fat ass onto a soccer field and run a few miles a day.

This has less to do with financial resources and more to do with emotional maturity and the realization that there's more out there in life than the notion of relationships and constant approval that consume most women in their 20s
 
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