Florida schools application thread part 2

[gujuDoc]

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She's a student at USF (not sure if undergrad or post-bacc).

I prefer real patients and JMH at Miami is just perfect for this. It's right next to campus and has everything there. USF uses many hospitals around Tampa and traffic gets really bad so I'm not a fan of that. Ned, don't worry about UF too much. Where did you go for undergrad?

yeah I'm a postbac and I think you make an excellent point about JMH's proximity. I think that's one nice thing about the main campus is that the whole med school not just the hospital is in downtown and next to each other.

Williams, did you ever hear back after your interview from FSU?

 

[DrZeke]

Miami Campus:

Amazing clinical training by default of Jackson and that you see so much and get to do so much that you'll be very prepared. One thing about Miami that can be overwhelming for students that I heard about was the fact that standardized patients are not often used, so the first couple of times can be scary. #2, there are not that many trips to the preceptor that are required. There are only 4 per semester, but depending on your preceptor, there could always be more and Miami SOUNDS like the kind of school where if you take the initiative you can see EVERYTHING! But, I definitely got the idea from my interview day that it's all about initiative and please don't take that the wrong way, because I definitely want to go there.

USF:

Amazing clinical training. They definitely have more ORGANIZED preceptor visits than Miami main campus, and they do have more formal clinical skills education with some standardized patients for the female pelvic exam and the like. They have a clinical training center and it seems like you don't have to take as much iniative to get great clinical exposure before rotations.

Boca - campus:

Despite all the complaints and some of us not being all too thrilled that we were waitlisted at main campus 🙄 I have to say that Boca campus seems to boast the best clinical training. They have an amazing simulation center that is used by the students in the first 2 years with models for just about anything. So that when you stick your fingers in a patient's butt for the first time - standardized or not - you actually know what the heck you are looking for. Of course, some people would argue, oh who cares, after the first few times, you know what you're doing, but some people do take comfort in those types of things, and like to be training on "dummies" first. With high faculty to student ratio and weekly visits with a preceptor and other field trips, it sounds like Boca's clinical training is going to be off the charts. Also, I noticed that the students kept talking about how well they learned clinical skills and whenever the partake in the clinical skills teachings with their miami classmates, they find it's more convoluted and with a bigger group they don't get the same type of attention.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, my personal opinion:

I think whichever school anyone goes to, they can get a great CLINICAL education. It all really depends on what you are comfortable with, and I can honestly say that I don't think Miami is for everyone. I liked the idea of taking iniative and deciding how much I would get to see, but some students are shy and nervous and are not always super proactive about their education because they haven't had to be. An environment where independence and iniative are best, may not be welcoming to those types of students. It really depends on who you are and I think that Miami is for me...I could feel it the entire day that I was there.

 

[NervousNed]

She's a student at USF (not sure if undergrad or post-bacc).

I prefer real patients and JMH at Miami is just perfect for this. It's right next to campus and has everything there. USF uses many hospitals around Tampa and traffic gets really bad so I'm not a fan of that. Ned, don't worry about UF too much. Where did you go for undergrad?

i went to univ of michigan, but id really really like an interview at UF but it seems like i wont but im stillllllllllllll crossin my fingers, i want uf cause i see myself as purely an academic doctor

 

[GatorKMM]

so, I'm on the waitlist at Miami main campus, really hoping for an acceptance from there eventually. I know from MSAR that almost 50% of those interviewd end up matriculating, but do any of you know about what percentage of those come from the waitlist? Thanks and sorry if i'm coming off as paranoid 🙂

 

[DrZeke]

so, I'm on the waitlist at Miami main campus, really hoping for an acceptance from there eventually. I know from MSAR that almost 50% of those interviewd end up matriculating, but do any of you know about what percentage of those come from the waitlist? Thanks and sorry if i'm coming off as paranoid 🙂

Gator, I believe your 50% is slightly off. I heard that it's close to 75% that are interviewed are actually accepted, including those wailisted. On interview day it was listed that 1200 apply, 400 or so are interviewed and 300 or so are offered admission. From there, it's 180 that actually accept, so you can assume that they take about 100 from the waitlist?? I'm not sure, I just think they take 50-75% of the waitlist.

I'm in the same place as you.

 

[deleted106503]

i went to univ of michigan, but id really really like an interview at UF but it seems like i wont but im stillllllllllllll crossin my fingers, i want uf cause i see myself as purely an academic doctor

Ah, I see now. Out of the 4 FL schools, yes, UF would be the most academic. Did you apply to U Mich? I wish I could go there for med school, but I don't have the stats for that. Plus, being OOS doesn't help.

I think you figured I went to UF since we talked about the BCS and football about a month ago. 😉 I love my school, but what some people have said is correct. There are some people there that just rub you the wrong way. Not with just the medical school, but some of my friends even in their dental program and even business school. I just don't get it sometimes. They still have a ways to go til they get U Mich status in my book. But I love the sports program. 🙂

Guju, haven't heard anything from FSU. I was told in December that they start taking people off the waitlist mid to late April. That's about a month, month and a half before classes start. I dont' understand why they would do that as it makes it more difficult for students to make living and finance arrangements in such sort period of time (at least for me) vs. accepting people off the list throughout the process.

 

[NervousNed]

yeah i applied to umich but i havent heard anything so yeah i didnt get in bahhhhhhhhh

 

[LifetimeDoc]

It's Friday of the last week of January, and not a peep out of my own state schools, not even out-of-state either, except for UF's automatic monthly update email. I'm going to head to the USF Pre-Med convention tomorrow and see if I can find out from the adcoms/deans/representatives from our FL schools what they are looking for in a candidate.

 

[gujuDoc]

i went to univ of michigan, but id really really like an interview at UF but it seems like i wont but im stillllllllllllll crossin my fingers, i want uf cause i see myself as purely an academic doctor

See and that's the thing, I don't want to go into research or be in academia that's whyI don't say a lot for UF. I think UF is great for those wanting to go into academia but not as great in terms of clinical diversity for those wanting to be clinicians. I do think there are some good things like their computerized exams to mimic the boards. however, I'm not a big fan of their curricula in terms of what I'd like for ME.

 

[DrZeke]

See and that's the thing, I don't want to go into research or be in academia that's whyI don't say a lot for UF. I think UF is great for those wanting to go into academia but not as great in terms of clinical diversity for those wanting to be clinicians. I do think there are some good things like their computerized exams to mimic the boards. however, I'm not a big fan of their curricula in terms of what I'd like for ME.

I don't get it. It's UF not Harvard. Everyone thinks it's the ticket to academia...on what planet? Maybe for the state of Florida, but it's really not this big research powerhouse that everyone makes it out to be compare to other schools OOS.

Don't flame me, I'm just saying this as someone who has lived outside of Florida and internationally. UF really isn't a "World Wide" research institution. Granted for the tuition it's a good option, but I think for a bit more, Miami is much better and has more international connections 🙂

 

[DrZeke]

How do I get to the convention and where can I find info about it? Is it too late to register. I figure I might as well know as much as I possibly can about Florida schools since I'm planning on going to one.

 

[medgator]

Miami has a standardized patient program, but it is not used too often, at least during first year. We had a practice physical exam session with standardized patients in mid january and that was the first time we used them. Most of the time you practice with real patients. There are plenty of them at jackson to go around. You start patient contact at about your fourth week of classes. As soon as you start learning the most basic skills (interviewing and taking history) you head over to jackson in groups by society and practice on people. Everyone is also paired with a preceptor which you attend four times per semester. You will be there the whole afternoon working in the office. This experience varies, but my preceptor in particular is awesome and gets me to do everything. As of now I have learned and performed almost every part of the complete physical and special exams (pap smear, venipuncture, injections, diagnostics, etc.). You'll love the clinicals at miami. Additionally we host a free clinic in the underserved little Havana area which students attend and pretty much run. Students do everything at the clinic and the attending physician that night helps guide the whole process.

I always joke with my UF friends and laugh, telling them that the only thing they'll ever see in the shands ER in gainesville is undergrads with alcohol poisoning or people who got bitten by snakes running around in the woods. In Miami, You'll see EVERYTHING.

It's lots of fun.

Well--- your friends at Shands UF should have headed over to Shands Jax for their ER month. That's where I did my 4th yr required ER rotation. I would definitely consider it a good urban experience which serves as an excellent contrast to the Shands UF experience. During my month of ER in Jax, I did 3 LPs, a ton of art sticks/IVs, a central line, and saw enough GSWs and participated in enough codes as they came through the ambulance entrance to feel comfortable enough to say I got the "urban" experience that most people seem to think is missing in the curriculum at UF.
Most med students who want to get a lot of ER exposure would go to jax, while those less interested would stay in gville. Things are changing though, from what I hear, since Shands UF became a level I trauma center a few years ago.

With regards to this UF academia thing, UF is probably tops in the state for academic reputation. but nationally, its not as well regarded as some premier state powerhouses like U Mich, UNC, or UCSF. Providing a good clinical education however, is not mutually exclusive from receiving an excellent clinical education. UF has both of these covered really well. The basic sci faculty, the computerized exams, the harrell patient center, the 1st semester extended preceptoprship, and clinical faculty mentors really create a well-balanced pre-clinical curriculum. Shands UF, Shands Jax and the VA medical center offer a great learning experience during 3rd and 4th year rotations. You'll get the entire spectrum of inner-city urban care (Jax) to the bread and butter of chronic medical pathology (VA) to the unusual weird zebras (Shands UF). I really felt quite prepared venturing off to internship after graduation in terms of my basic sci, clinical, and procedural knowledge.

 

[gujuDoc]

I don't get it. It's UF not Harvard. Everyone thinks it's the ticket to academia...on what planet? Maybe for the state of Florida, but it's really not this big research powerhouse that everyone makes it out to be compare to other schools OOS.

Don't flame me, I'm just saying this as someone who has lived outside of Florida and internationally. UF really isn't a "World Wide" research institution. Granted for the tuition it's a good option, but I think for a bit more, Miami is much better and has more international connections 🙂

Hahaha yeah I agree. 😉

Isn't Paul Farmer from Harvard supposed to be joining Miami's med school to start up some international medicine thing?? I vaguely recall Dr. Hinkley mentioning something about that at one of these premed forums.

Also what convention are you talking about? There's a premed forum at USF tomorrow and one at UF the following Saturday. But I don't think they are of any use to you since you've already applied and been accepted.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Can anyone tell me when the next premed forum at USF is? What time is tomorrow's? I want to see if I can get off work for it.

 

[LifetimeDoc]

How do I get to the convention and where can I find info about it? Is it too late to register. I figure I might as well know as much as I possibly can about Florida schools since I'm planning on going to one.

Here is the link for the forum tomorrow: http://ctr.usf.edu/pamsa/medforum.htm

 

[Revilla]

Here is the link for the forum tomorrow: http://ctr.usf.edu/pamsa/medforum.htm

Thanks for that link! I can't attend today, unfortunately, because of work. How often does USF have these forums? I'd love to register for the next one.

 

[DrZeke]

Here is the link for the forum tomorrow: http://ctr.usf.edu/pamsa/medforum.htm

When I am a medical student, I would love to participate in one of these things!!!!

 

[gujuDoc]

Thanks for that link! I can't attend today, unfortunately, because of work. How often does USF have these forums? I'd love to register for the next one.

Revilla,

See my post above, but USF only has this forum once a year. However, there is a similar forum at UF's Student Union NEXT Saturday Feb. 10th.

See the link I posted above for more information.

 

[gujuDoc]

When I am a medical student, I would love to participate in one of these things!!!!

Yeah that would be cool. I don't know if Miami's undergrad puts on one but USF, UF, and FSU all put on one each year.

USF puts theirs on typically end of January to some time in February. UF always does theirs in Feb. and FSU does their forum in fall.

UF also puts on one for minorities specifically in Fall.

 

[pipedream812]

Revilla,

See my post above, but USF only has this forum once a year. However, there is a similar forum at UF's Student Union NEXT Saturday Feb. 10th.

See the link I posted above for more information.

Will USF, FSU, and UM be their again, b/c I really wanna go

 

[scoobymd]

Will USF, FSU, and UM be their again, b/c I really wanna go

Those schools will be attending. http://www.ufpremed.org/mcf/att.htm

 

[Boris Badenov]

Miami Campus:

Amazing clinical training by default of Jackson and that you see so much and get to do so much that you'll be very prepared. One thing about Miami that can be overwhelming for students that I heard about was the fact that standardized patients are not often used, so the first couple of times can be scary. #2, there are not that many trips to the preceptor that are required. There are only 4 per semester, but depending on your preceptor, there could always be more and Miami SOUNDS like the kind of school where if you take the initiative you can see EVERYTHING! But, I definitely got the idea from my interview day that it's all about initiative and please don't take that the wrong way, because I definitely want to go there.

USF:

Amazing clinical training. They definitely have more ORGANIZED preceptor visits than Miami main campus, and they do have more formal clinical skills education with some standardized patients for the female pelvic exam and the like. They have a clinical training center and it seems like you don't have to take as much iniative to get great clinical exposure before rotations.

Boca - campus:

Despite all the complaints and some of us not being all too thrilled that we were waitlisted at main campus 🙄 I have to say that Boca campus seems to boast the best clinical training. They have an amazing simulation center that is used by the students in the first 2 years with models for just about anything. So that when you stick your fingers in a patient's butt for the first time - standardized or not - you actually know what the heck you are looking for. Of course, some people would argue, oh who cares, after the first few times, you know what you're doing, but some people do take comfort in those types of things, and like to be training on "dummies" first. With high faculty to student ratio and weekly visits with a preceptor and other field trips, it sounds like Boca's clinical training is going to be off the charts. Also, I noticed that the students kept talking about how well they learned clinical skills and whenever the partake in the clinical skills teachings with their miami classmates, they find it's more convoluted and with a bigger group they don't get the same type of attention.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, my personal opinion:

I think whichever school anyone goes to, they can get a great CLINICAL education. It all really depends on what you are comfortable with, and I can honestly say that I don't think Miami is for everyone. I liked the idea of taking iniative and deciding how much I would get to see, but some students are shy and nervous and are not always super proactive about their education because they haven't had to be. An environment where independence and iniative are best, may not be welcoming to those types of students. It really depends on who you are and I think that Miami is for me...I could feel it the entire day that I was there.

Nice writeup, Zeke, though I'd point out that one's clinical education during med school primarily comes from third and fourth year rotations, and certainly not from preceptor visits or standardized patients, which are more useful in places where you don't get as much exposure to patients.

While it sounds like UM@FAU has a solid pre-clinical curriculum, I can't imagine you'd be getting as much hands-on clinical exposure rotating through community hospitals where attendings are used to doing everything. One would think that big public teaching hospitals like Jackson and Tampa General would, in comparison, offer the better clinical training out of that group.

That said, Dr. Lichtstein is a great educator, and I'm sure he could put something together where you wouldn't lose a whole lot clinically from not being at the main campus.

 

[DrZeke]

Nice writeup, Zeke, though I'd point out that one's clinical education during med school primarily comes from third and fourth year rotations, and certainly not from preceptor visits or standardized patients, which are more useful in places where you don't get as much exposure to patients.

While it sounds like UM@FAU has a solid pre-clinical curriculum, I can't imagine you'd be getting as much hands-on clinical exposure rotating through community hospitals where attendings are used to doing everything. One would think that big public teaching hospitals like Jackson and Tampa General would, in comparison, offer the better clinical training out of that group.

That said, Dr. Lichtstein is a great educator, and I'm sure he could put something together where you wouldn't lose a whole lot clinically from not being at the main campus.

Thanks Boris Badenov I tried to be comprehensive in my writeup.

That being said, I do think that Boca might lose a bit of clinical experience, however, with Lichstein there you're right to think that he will probably bridge the gap. Also, I believe he's trying to make cerain that those rotating in Boca will get to spend at least two to three months at Jackson in order to make their clinical education diverse and awesome! 🙂

That's the rumour, but I'm probably going to send out an email asking him if this is for certain.

 

[GatorKMM]

do you happen to know if they have put a max on the number of rotations you can do at Jackson? When I was there they said something about being able to do rotations in Miami if you felt it would be more beneficial at Jackson... but does that technically mean you would be able to do most of the rotations there?

 

[DrZeke]

do you happen to know if they have put a max on the number of rotations you can do at Jackson? When I was there they said something about being able to do rotations in Miami if you felt it would be more beneficial at Jackson... but does that technically mean you would be able to do most of the rotations there?

I'm actually going to email Dr. Markowitz and Lichstein. Quite frankly, saying that 'we hope' you'll do 3 months at Jackson is not comforting for me and I'd like to have some certainty when considering the Boca program. Obviously, at this point I can't be picky, but I need to know what types of plans I need to make if Boca is where I am to end up. I am thinking about Boca sounds awesome if Dr. Lichstein can guarantee enough Jackson time 🙂.

 

[GatorKMM]

I completely agree.. it would be much harder to pick between the campuses if you really could have the best of both worlds with rotations. Well I guess the main campus isn't really an option for me yet either, but it would definitely make my decision easier between boca and usf.

 

[Revilla]

Revilla,

See my post above, but USF only has this forum once a year. However, there is a similar forum at UF's Student Union NEXT Saturday Feb. 10th.

See the link I posted above for more information.

Thanks for the information! unfortunately, I probably won't be able to attend next weekend either. I work every Saturday and I have to give them at least two weeks notice before I can take a Saturday off. I'll keep my eye out for one later in the year now that I know they all have them, though, and maybe I can go then.

 

[gujuDoc]

Thanks for the information! unfortunately, I probably won't be able to attend next weekend either. I work every Saturday and I have to give them at least two weeks notice before I can take a Saturday off. I'll keep my eye out for one later in the year now that I know they all have them, though, and maybe I can go then.

At FSU, its hosted by their Premed honor society and they call it Deans Day. At USF and UF its hosted by Premed AMSA chapters and called Medical School Forum and Medical College Forum respectively. I'm just mentioning this so you know how to do a search for it online in advance next year.

 

[gujuDoc]

Thanks Boris Badenov I tried to be comprehensive in my writeup.

That being said, I do think that Boca might lose a bit of clinical experience, however, with Lichstein there you're right to think that he will probably bridge the gap. Also, I believe he's trying to make cerain that those rotating in Boca will get to spend at least two to three months at Jackson in order to make their clinical education diverse and awesome! 🙂

That's the rumour, but I'm probably going to send out an email asking him if this is for certain.

Do you guys think the FAU Boca campus will eventually break off from the Umiami program and become their own medical school, or do you think they'll remain a branch of UMiami??

I'm just curious on your thought on this matter. Dr. Zeke, Deuist, anyone else out there???

 

[GatorKMM]

i've heard rumors that was the plan...fau will eventually be its own med school with no affiliations to miami... doubt that will be happening anytime in the near future though

 

[gujuDoc]

Will USF, FSU, and UM be their again, b/c I really wanna go

UF's MCF has all the Florida schools attending plus Northwestern, Pritzker, and a few other out of state schools and some DO schools too.

 

[DrZeke]

i've heard rumors that was the plan...fau will eventually be its own med school with no affiliations to miami... doubt that will be happening anytime in the near future though

Agreed! It will happen eventually, but not in our time and those who have been accepted this year are guaranteed to have UM on their diploma!

 

[REL]

Will USF, FSU, and UM be their again, b/c I really wanna go

Yes, USF, FSU, and UM will be in Gainesville on Feb 10.

 

[Hurricane95]

Well, standardized patients have their pros too I guess. My first pelvic exam and first 3 paps were done with real patients. It was a bit awkward to say the least.

 

[gujuDoc]

Well, standardized patients have their pros too I guess. My first pelvic exam and first 3 paps were done with real patients. It was a bit awkward to say the least.

Who is the girl in your avatar?? Is that you or if you are a guy is that your girlfriend?

 

[futuredoc64]

What sort of international trips do USF medical students have the opportunity to go on? I know Miami has Haiti, India, Dominican republic, etc...

 

[medgator]

Well, standardized patients have their pros too I guess. My first pelvic exam and first 3 paps were done with real patients. It was a bit awkward to say the least.

Yeah--- It was nice having a chance to know what you were doing when you actually had to do your first pelvic or rectal exam on a real patient. I heard that back in the day, students learned on anesthetized patients--- cant really say much for the ethics of that 😱 It's really a service that those standardized patients do for med students! They definitely deserve the financial compensation they receive.

 

[DrZeke]

I completely agree.. it would be much harder to pick between the campuses if you really could have the best of both worlds with rotations. Well I guess the main campus isn't really an option for me yet either, but it would definitely make my decision easier between boca and usf.

Hey Gator,

I'll totally look into it, as I'm drafting up an email to the guys in charge of curriculum at FAU, and finding out what's going to happen with rotations and how many months we get to spend at Jackson. With an amazing clinical curriculum the program would definitely be more attractive.

Back to boozing... 😉 GO SUPER BOWL WEEKEND!!!

 

[Boris Badenov]

Do you guys think the FAU Boca campus will eventually break off from the Umiami program and become their own medical school, or do you think they'll remain a branch of UMiami??

I'm just curious on your thought on this matter. Dr. Zeke, Deuist, anyone else out there???

I'm positive they'll break off. FAU has been trying to get approval for a med school for awhile now. Getting a division I football team and a med school seems to be high on the priority list these days for state schools trying to become big.

<tangent>

Just a few years ago, the only allo schools in the state were UF, UM, and USF. Now FSU is here, and FIU and UCF are going to open soon. FAU will come after them. That's SEVEN allo schools plus one osteo school.

I wonder what it bodes for the future of doctoring here. I would think that competition would be stiff when you're producing twice as many MDs as before, most of whom are locals who would stay here to practice. Of course more MDs means better access to healthcare, which is good, though places like Boca (FAU) and Miami (FIU) were never really underserved to begin with.

I'm also a bit curious as to how it'll affect admissions for the med schools here. The state schools, in particular, will be competing with twice as many state schools for the same number of applicants. It would be interesting to see what comes of all this.

</tangent>

 

[Boris Badenov]

Well, standardized patients have their pros too I guess. My first pelvic exam and first 3 paps were done with real patients. It was a bit awkward to say the least.

A first year doing pelvic exams and paps?

Holy cow!

Our class had our female and male exam SP encounters during second year.

I don't even know how you pulled that off. Did you sneak into gyn clinic or something?

 

[medgator]

I'm positive they'll break off. FAU has been trying to get approval for a med school for awhile now. Getting a division I football team and a med school seems to be high on the priority list these days for state schools trying to become big.

<tangent>

Just a few years ago, the only allo schools in the state were UF, UM, and USF. Now FSU is here, and FIU and UCF are going to open soon. FAU will come after them. That's SEVEN allo schools plus one osteo school.

I wonder what it bodes for the future of doctoring here. I would think that competition would be stiff when you're producing twice as many MDs as before, most of whom are locals who would stay here to practice. Of course more MDs means better access to healthcare, which is good, though places like Boca (FAU) and Miami (FIU) were never really underserved to begin with.

I'm also a bit curious as to how it'll affect admissions for the med schools here. The state schools, in particular, will be competing with twice as many state schools for the same number of applicants. It would be interesting to see what comes of all this.

</tangent>

Its kinda interesting when you compare Florida, to say, New York. Almost eqivalent population overall (New York's is concentrated in the city mostly). I know that NY has a ton more schools---- there are 4 schools in upstate NY alone, and then a bunch of schools in the city. Maybe there is a demand for doctors in Florida that is fueling this recent surge in med school openings by the state government?

 

[Boris Badenov]

Its kinda interesting when you compare Florida, to say, New York. Almost eqivalent population overall (New York's is concentrated in the city mostly). I know that NY has a ton more schools---- there are 4 schools in upstate NY alone, and then a bunch of schools in the city. Maybe there is a demand for doctors in Florida that is fueling this recent surge in med school openings by the state government?

That's a good point, though NY is also situated in established academic country. Even diminutive little Massachusetts has four allo schools.

It's hard to say how many we need, since most people down here--including the MDs--are transplants. But I'd agree that three allo schools in FL seemed like way too few.

 

[gujuDoc]

Its kinda interesting when you compare Florida, to say, New York. Almost eqivalent population overall (New York's is concentrated in the city mostly). I know that NY has a ton more schools---- there are 4 schools in upstate NY alone, and then a bunch of schools in the city. Maybe there is a demand for doctors in Florida that is fueling this recent surge in med school openings by the state government?

New York has about 12-13 MD schools and 1 DO school.

Btw, BB, Fl. has 2 DO schools not 1 because they also have LECOM-B.

 

[gujuDoc]

Its kinda interesting when you compare Florida, to say, New York. Almost eqivalent population overall (New York's is concentrated in the city mostly). I know that NY has a ton more schools---- there are 4 schools in upstate NY alone, and then a bunch of schools in the city. Maybe there is a demand for doctors in Florida that is fueling this recent surge in med school openings by the state government?

One more thing.....

Its been said by the state and others that the goals of creating more med schools in Florida is to produce more doctors who will stay in Florida to help reduce the shortage. however the problem with that logic is that doctors are going to keep going away if there is not reform on various things such as malpractice laws.

Furthermore, the problem with that logic is that a lot of people can make it seem like they want to stay and help the underserved but by the time you are done with med school and starting residency, you are in so much debt and a lot of people want a field that will make decent money, so most people won't go to those truly underserved areas like rural central and north florida.

So I don't know if that will really help in the long run if the distribution is still skewed.

However, I think its good for us to have a few more options in Florida and think UCF and FSU will go far, but FSU needs to get their own hospital first.

 

[medgator]

One more thing.....

Its been said by the state and others that the goals of creating more med schools in Florida is to produce more doctors who will stay in Florida to help reduce the shortage. however the problem with that logic is that doctors are going to keep going away if there is not reform on various things such as malpractice laws.

Furthermore, the problem with that logic is that a lot of people can make it seem like they want to stay and help the underserved but by the time you are done with med school and starting residency, you are in so much debt and a lot of people want a field that will make decent money, so most people won't go to those truly underserved areas like rural central and north florida.

So I don't know if that will really help in the long run if the distribution is still skewed.

However, I think its good for us to have a few more options in Florida and think UCF and FSU will go far, but FSU needs to get their own hospital first.

Yeah Im wondering how FSU will adapt when UCF does open. Im guessing the Orlando Regional Medical Center (ORMC) will become the official teaching hospital of UCF? Since FSU is using it as one of their sites, I wonder if that'll cause problems. Even UF rotates students through there during 4th yr.

 

[Soccer885]

Furthermore, the problem with that logic is that a lot of people can make it seem like they want to stay and help the underserved but by the time you are done with med school and starting residency, you are in so much debt and a lot of people want a field that will make decent money, so most people won't go to those truly underserved areas like rural central and north florida.

The government has programs where if you work in underserved areas then they pay so much of your student loans for each year of service (I don't know the details exactly). You get paid less for working in those areas, but the government compensates you by paying your loans. I knew a doctor who did this and within a few years his loans were paid for. He loved the area he worked at and the people he treated and stayed there until he retired. If people really want to work in underserved areas, money shouldn't be a factor.

 

[gujuDoc]

The government has programs where if you work in underserved areas then they pay so much of your student loans for each year of service (I don't know the details exactly). You get paid less for working in those areas, but the government compensates you by paying your loans. I knew a doctor who did this and within a few years his loans were paid for. He loved the area he worked at and the people he treated and stayed there until he retired. If people really want to work in underserved areas, money shouldn't be a factor.

But see that's the problem, most people DON'T want to work for underserved populations because they don't want to live in very rural areas. So if the goal is to create more docs for those areas by opening more med schools, I don't see how that's going to be solved when most people don't go into primary care or areas where underserved populations are located.

 

[LifetimeDoc]

Yeah Im wondering how FSU will adapt when UCF does open. Im guessing the Orlando Regional Medical Center (ORMC) will become the official teaching hospital of UCF? Since FSU is using it as one of their sites, I wonder if that'll cause problems. Even UF rotates students through there during 4th yr.

Florida Hospital will also be working with the UCF medical school, as well as others. ORMC and Florida Hospital won't be dumping the other state medical school students; they'll be expanding to include more residency slots and opportunities for medical students. At least that's what I hear from people involved with the new medical school.

 

[Hurricane95]

Haha, no, my avatar is definitely not my girlfriend (one could wish huh?), just some model I like, mercedes terrell. I don't like using my photo as an avatar...instead I like to use pics I will not easily get tired of looking at. That's my rationale for picking. 😉

 

[Soccer885]

Florida Hospital will also be working with the UCF medical school, as well as others. ORMC and Florida Hospital won't be dumping the other state medical school students; they'll be expanding to include more residency slots and opportunities for medical students. At least that's what I hear from people involved with the new medical school.

In my opinion. if Florida is opening more medical schools in hopes that more doctors will stay here in Florida, then they need to also increase the number of residencies. Looks like that might be happening...