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genny said:
I think people who always have cats in their avatars get first dibs.
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Doctor-S said:
Wait a minute ... not if the CATS have their way!
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Now don't go starting a dog vs cat debate on this thread. Or we'll have to call for the HORSE people to break it up.. and you know how they are 😉
 
You know...and the fish people.
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Doctor-S said:
I'm seeing a lot of very cute farm animals on this thread.

Does anyone know how to milk a cow?

Or collect eggs from a chicken?

Or shear a sheep?

Or rope a calf?
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I've milked many a cow, love collecting eggs from the chickens, and while I haven't sheared sheep, we shear the alpacas every year!
 
Doctor-S said:
I'm seeing a lot of very cute farm animals on this thread.

Does anyone know how to milk a cow?

Or collect eggs from a chicken?

Or shear a sheep?

Or rope a calf?
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I've done none of these four. 🙁 I guess that's the pain of growing up/ living in the Suburbs- no farms/ farm animals nearby
 
Doctor-S said:
I'm seeing a lot of very cute farm animals on this thread.

Does anyone know how to milk a cow?

Or collect eggs from a chicken?

Or shear a sheep?

Or rope a calf?
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I've milked cows
Collected chicken eggs
Sheared sheep
Roping a calf, no, but I've caught sheep in pouring, freezing rain to help them give birth....never again
 
Doctor-S said:
I'm seeing a lot of very cute farm animals on this thread.

Does anyone know how to milk a cow?

Or collect eggs from a chicken?

Or shear a sheep?

Or rope a calf?
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I hope my cow is bred and I'll be milking her soon... she decided to run feral with my landlord's cows, but she is too smart to get caught, at least in 2+ feet of snow. We will train her both to hand milk and to milk with a machine into a Surge bucket. (That's how my old Guernsey was trained.)

Come end of February, 2 of my dairy does will kid and I'll be milking them. Possibly the 3rd is bred now, I'll ultrasound her again next week, and then the young does are finally coming into heat at a breedable weight, so maybe 2 more in another 5 months.

My old cow had a pet sheep that we sheered 2x a year. We might do that again some day.

We have about 30 laying hens right now and should start getting more eggs soon. I used to also have guineas, turkeys, and ducks that I got eggs from.

And I halter train all my critters, so I have never had to rope a calf, though I technically know how. (Maybe that's what I'll need to do to get Vivienne caught...)
 
Doctor-S said:
I'm seeing a lot of very cute farm animals on this thread.

Does anyone know how to milk a cow?

Or collect eggs from a chicken?

Or shear a sheep?

Or rope a calf?
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yes to all of the above.

I had this one cow in vet school I milked for 2 weeks straight while she was hospitalized with us. necrotic abscess from a parotid gland. we ended up doing a tie-off procedure because she was more pet than producer.
 
Doctor-S said:
I'm seeing a lot of very cute farm animals on this thread.

Does anyone know how to milk a cow?

Or collect eggs from a chicken?

Or shear a sheep?

Or rope a calf?
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,I don't know anything about dairy but I've had goats for years (and took one small ruminant course in undergrad, involving mainly sheep). Have helped deliver many a kid, even a prolapsed uterus after one (my mom just loves to brag about that...oy). Love to collect eggs, and I also competed on the poultry judging team at my undergrad, so I can judge egg quality and chickens/turkeys too! Poultry is my passion and I'd love to find out more about vet med opportunities in that area, once I get in :chicken:
 
LadyOtheFarm said:
Possibly the 3rd is bred now, I'll ultrasound her again next week,
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And.... this is a negative Batman.

Went outside after posting that earlier and she was headbutting the boy and trying to talk him into mounting again. So, she is being treated for cystic ovaries. First shot today, another tomorrow, and then we pray. (I think it was too cold at -20 for her to show heat last cycle.) Wish her luck! She is a fantastic milked with nearly around 2.5 gallons per day as a first freshener!
 
@mmmdreamerz, @genny, @DVMDream, @LadyOtheFarm, @dyachei, @Devastating, thank you very much for sharing your "know how" and animal experiences.

I am envious!

Although I drink a lot of milk, I have no idea how to milk a cow. I've seen people manually milking cows when I've traveled through a few diary communities in the past, but I think most of the dairy farms in my state use machines to milk cows. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing finer than a frosty glass of milk and home-made ice cream, on a hot day. M'mmm!

I have never had a chance to collect eggs from a chicken. When you collect the eggs, do the hens try to peck you? I try to purchase organic eggs, but I don't how long it takes to deliver the eggs from the hens to my town.

@Devastating, you said that "poultry" is your "passion." When I purchase eggs in their shells, I like to shake the egg (and listen for the absence of sound). Is that a reliable test of egg freshness? Or, is that simply a fresh egg myth?

The only time I ever saw sheep being sheared was in New Zealand, Ireland and Scotland. The sheep looked really fluffy and puffy before they were sheared. After they were sheared, they appeared non-puffy. I wanted to pet them, but they did not want to be petted. Some of them wanted to kick me instead.

@dyachei, have you roped many calves? When I was a little girl, we kept a (Western riding) horse on our property for about a year. When I rode the horse, I loved to pretend that I was a cowgirl living on the frontier in the Wild West. However, I didn't have any calves to rope - just a few parked cars and my brother!

@cdoconn, it sounds as if you and I need to live on a real ranch or a farm for a while!
 
Doctor-S said:
@mmmdreamerz, @genny, @DVMDream, @LadyOtheFarm, @dyachei, @Devastating, thank you very much for sharing your "know how" and animal experiences.

I am envious!

Although I drink a lot of milk, I have no idea how to milk a cow. I've seen people manually milking cows when I've traveled through a few diary communities in the past, but I think most of the dairy farms in my state use machines to milk cows. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing finer than a frosty glass of milk and home-made ice cream, on a hot day. M'mmm!

I have never had a chance to collect eggs from a chicken. When you collect the eggs, do the hens try to peck you? I try to purchase organic eggs, but I don't how long it takes to deliver the eggs from the hens to my town.

@Devastating, you said that "poultry" is your "passion." When I purchase eggs in their shells, I like to shake the egg (and listen for the absence of sound). Is that a reliable test of egg freshness? Or, is that simply a fresh egg myth?

The only time I ever saw sheep being sheared was in New Zealand, Ireland and Scotland. The sheep looked really fluffy and puffy before they were sheared. After they were sheared, they appeared non-puffy. I wanted to pet them, but they did not want to be petted. Some of them wanted to kick me instead.

@dyachei, have you roped many calves? When I was a little girl, we kept a (Western riding) horse on our property for about a year. When I rode the horse, I loved to pretend that I was a cowgirl living on the frontier in the Wild West. However, I didn't have any calves to rope - just a few parked cars and my brother!

@cdoconn, it sounds as if you and I need to live on a real ranch or a farm for a while!
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not many, no.
 
Doctor-S said:
@mmmdreamerz, @genny, @DVMDream, @LadyOtheFarm, @dyachei, @Devastating, thank you very much for sharing your "know how" and animal experiences.

I am envious!

Although I drink a lot of milk, I have no idea how to milk a cow. I've seen people manually milking cows when I've traveled through a few diary communities in the past, but I think most of the dairy farms in my state use machines to milk cows. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing finer than a frosty glass of milk and home-made ice cream, on a hot day. M'mmm!

I have never had a chance to collect eggs from a chicken. When you collect the eggs, do the hens try to peck you? I try to purchase organic eggs, but I don't how long it takes to deliver the eggs from the hens to my town.

@Devastating, you said that "poultry" is your "passion." When I purchase eggs in their shells, I like to shake the egg (and listen for the absence of sound). Is that a reliable test of egg freshness? Or, is that simply a fresh egg myth?

The only time I ever saw sheep being sheared was in New Zealand, Ireland and Scotland. The sheep looked really fluffy and puffy before they were sheared. After they were sheared, they appeared non-puffy. I wanted to pet them, but they did not want to be petted. Some of them wanted to kick me instead.

@dyachei, have you roped many calves? When I was a little girl, we kept a (Western riding) horse on our property for about a year. When I rode the horse, I loved to pretend that I was a cowgirl living on the frontier in the Wild West. However, I didn't have any calves to rope - just a few parked cars and my brother!

@cdoconn, it sounds as if you and I need to live on a real ranch or a farm for a while!
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The only egg freshness test I know well is putting them in water. They'll float if they're bad, stand up on end if they're old (good for hardboiling), and not float at all if they're fresh. Not sure about shaking them though!
 
Doctor-S said:
I have never had a chance to collect eggs from a chicken. When you collect the eggs, do the hens try to peck you? I try to purchase organic eggs, but I don't how long it takes to deliver the eggs from the hens to my town.

@Devastating, you said that "poultry" is your "passion." When I purchase eggs in their shells, I like to shake the egg (and listen for the absence of sound). Is that a reliable test of egg freshness? Or, is that simply a fresh egg myth?
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Most of my hens don't sit (set), so the eggs are usually left alone in the nest box--but those times when a hen decides to sit and nest, she will definitely try to peck anyone who goes for the eggs!

When grading eggs in poultry judging, we used candling (placing the egg against a focused beam of light to illuminate the inside), and some of the attributes we looked at were: depth of the air cell (bigger=less fresh), visibility of the yolk (i think it was darker yolk silhouette = thinner albumen/white, indicating less fresh), any blood spots or other abnormalities, etc. There was also another category for broken-out eggs, where we graded the unshelled eggs on plates based on consistency of the albumen, height/shape/positioning of the yolk...that is the nitpickiest category and not many people score very highly there.

Just like VMH and Skiotter said, I've heard of the floating method, but I've never heard of shaking! I'm actually curious now...as eggs grow older/less fresh, the air cell expands, and albumen becomes more "watery", I wonder if that could plausibly produce a louder splashing sound when shaken? (someone should informally test this, lol, though I would still stand by the float test and candling!)
 
Devastating said:
Most of my hens don't sit (set), so the eggs are usually left alone in the nest box--but those times when a hen decides to sit and nest, she will definitely try to peck anyone who goes for the eggs!

When grading eggs in poultry judging, we used candling (placing the egg against a focused beam of light to illuminate the inside), and some of the attributes we looked at were: depth of the air cell (bigger=less fresh), visibility of the yolk (i think it was darker yolk silhouette = thinner albumen/white, indicating less fresh), any blood spots or other abnormalities, etc. There was also another category for broken-out eggs, where we graded the unshelled eggs on plates based on consistency of the albumen, height/shape/positioning of the yolk...that is the nitpickiest category and not many people score very highly there.

Just like VMH and Skiotter said, I've heard of the floating method, but I've never heard of shaking! I'm actually curious now...as eggs grow older/less fresh, the air cell expands, and albumen becomes more "watery", I wonder if that could plausibly produce a louder splashing sound when shaken? (someone should informally test this, lol, though I would still stand by the float test and candling!)
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Interesting about the candling. I've candled reptile eggs but never chicken eggs.
 
dyachei said:
yes to all of the above.

I had this one cow in vet school I milked for 2 weeks straight while she was hospitalized with us. necrotic abscess from a parotid gland. we ended up doing a tie-off procedure because she was more pet than producer.
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Same here. Also milked my inpatient for about two weeks....:dead:
 
Hey guys, if anyone needs help with modding I have an ample amount of free time and an intrest in trying it out! Please let me know if there are any upcoming games that need help, or games that are still in planning stages that could use an extra hand!
 
Doctor-S said:
Although I drink a lot of milk, I have no idea how to milk a cow. I've seen people manually milking cows when I've traveled through a few diary communities in the past, but I think most of the dairy farms in my state use machines to milk cows. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing finer than a frosty glass of milk and home-made ice cream, on a hot day. M'mmm!
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Best thing ever is homemade hot cocoa made from the fresh milk that came from a high fat, sweet tasting milk producer on the same day! Especially if you have a firepit or fireplace to sit around with friends to chat while star gazing.

Doctor-S said:
I have never had a chance to collect eggs from a chicken. When you collect the eggs, do the hens try to peck you? I try to purchase organic eggs, but I don't how long it takes to deliver the eggs from the hens to my town.
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I have a couple birds that will hang out in the nest to peck at intruders. They have occasionally been a saving grace if I get a young hen that discovers how delicious eggs are. And even if they peck, I've never had one that pecks hard. (Though this year I have a few that might...)
Doctor-S said:
@Devastating, you said that "poultry" is your "passion." When I purchase eggs in their shells, I like to shake the egg (and listen for the absence of sound). Is that a reliable test of egg freshness? Or, is that simply a fresh egg myth?
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Devastating said:
I'm actually curious now...as eggs grow older/less fresh, the air cell expands, and albumen becomes more "watery", I wonder if that could plausibly produce a louder splashing sound when shaken? (someone should informally test this, lol, though I would still stand by the float test and candling!)
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So, we do the float test most of the time since I get rainbow eggs and many if the colored ones (and the duck and turkey eggs) are difficult to candle. But, when we want to hatch out babies, I will get a perfectly dark room and try so I can tell how my babies are growing.

The shake thing really only works if they are past edible. It requires the spindles that hold the yolk in place to have broken down. Normally, if you can hear of feel movement when you shake an egg, don't open it because the stench will be aweful.

What I see in most books is that it takes 1-2 weeks for eggs to get from hen to grocery store shelves... but that is from people who are writing for people who want to raise chickens at home, so I don't know the full truth.

I know in the fridge, my eggs might take more than 2 months to get the same air pockets I saw in cheap store bought eggs, but I also free ranged my girls and picked up eggs within an hour after they laid, and left the natural coating on until use. So far different treatment, and the yolks on my eggs would still look fluffier and oranger in comparison. (But that is diet based)
 
LadyOtheFarm said:
Best thing ever is homemade hot cocoa made from the fresh milk that came from a high fat, sweet tasting milk producer on the same day! Especially if you have a firepit or fireplace to sit around with friends to chat while star gazing.

I have a couple birds that will hang out in the nest to peck at intruders. They have occasionally been a saving grace if I get a young hen that discovers how delicious eggs are. And even if they peck, I've never had one that pecks hard. (Though this year I have a few that might...)

So, we do the float test most of the time since I get rainbow eggs and many if the colored ones (and the duck and turkey eggs) are difficult to candle. But, when we want to hatch out babies, I will get a perfectly dark room and try so I can tell how my babies are growing.

The shake thing really only works if they are past edible. It requires the spindles that hold the yolk in place to have broken down. Normally, if you can hear of feel movement when you shake an egg, don't open it because the stench will be aweful.

What I see in most books is that it takes 1-2 weeks for eggs to get from hen to grocery store shelves... but that is from people who are writing for people who want to raise chickens at home, so I don't know the full truth.

I know in the fridge, my eggs might take more than 2 months to get the same air pockets I saw in cheap store bought eggs, but I also free ranged my girls and picked up eggs within an hour after they laid, and left the natural coating on until use. So far different treatment, and the yolks on my eggs would still look fluffier and oranger in comparison. (But that is diet based)
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@LadyOtheFarm, thank you for your comments!

I would love to drink homemade hot cocoa made from fresh milk - sounds delicious. Right now, I am purchasing "ultra-filtered" whole milk. The "ultra-filtered" milk definitely tastes much better than regular milk; and it only costs a few cents more than regular milk.

I have a feeling the allegedly "farm fresh" eggs that I purchase are older than 24 hours - even though the vendors insist the eggs were delivered to buyers within 24 hours. At some local farmers' markets, I have noticed that some cartons of eggs are left outside (and are not refrigerated). I prefer to buy organic eggs, but I suppose "organic" eggs might mean anything - especially since vendors know that most buyers equate "organic" with being a product that is allegedly "extra-healthy." I was told to use the "shake test" to determine the presence of air pockets in an egg. So, if I patronize a farmers' market (or go to a local grocery store), I try to shake a couple of eggs to listen for a sloshing sound. Most of the time, I don't hear anything noteworthy although I can feel the contents of the egg sloshing inside its shell. In the past, I used to purchase "free range" eggs until I learned that "free range" doesn't mean that the hens are allowed to roam around 25-acres of land!

If I lived near you, I would purchase YOUR farm fresh eggs: they sound truly "fresh" and delicious! 🙂
 
cdoconn said:
@Doctor-S I smile every time you post. You make my day so much better.
WHO-WHO-WHO is my favorite professor/attending on SDN? You!
:biglove:
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You made me smile! :cat: Thank you ... I will never live down "thinking" that I needed to pretend to be a "human owl" in the noob Circus WW game. What was I thinking?! Poor you ... I was so paranoid I wouldn't even converse with you on a PM, and you were merely trying to help me. But no ... I thought you were trying to kill me, the helpless owl. Hahaha! Gosh, wait until I play a second WW game in the future ... I'll definitely do things differently ... well, at least I hope so!
 
Doctor-S said:
You made me smile! :cat: Thank you ... I will never live down "thinking" that I needed to pretend to be a "human owl" in the noob Circus WW game. What was I thinking?! Poor you ... I was so paranoid I wouldn't even converse with you on a PM, and you were merely trying to help me. But no ... I thought you were trying to kill me, the helpless owl. Hahaha! Gosh, wait until I play a second WW game in the future ... I'll definitely do things differently ... well, at least I hope so!
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If you're a villager you don't have to do anything. But I hear though, that if you're a wolf you actually have to howl in the given thread like so. 😉
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cdoconn said:
If you're a villager you don't have to do anything. But I hear though, that if you're a wolf you actually have to howl in the given thread like so. 😉
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Is it okay if I smile at you (see below) - especially if you're a villager? 😉

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Doctor-S said:
At some local farmers' markets, I have noticed that some cartons of eggs are left outside (and are not refrigerated).
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When I lived in England, it was common practice for grocery stores to have eggs out in the aisles and not in the fridges.. My roommates would just leave theirs out on the counter all week long. I'm not sure if their egg producers differ in any major ways from the US that could impact that, but I always just shoved them back in the fridge as soon as I got home. It weirded me out big time.
 
Cyndia said:
When I lived in England, it was common practice for grocery stores to have eggs out in the aisles and not in the fridges.. My roommates would just leave theirs out on the counter all week long. I'm not sure if their egg producers differ in any major ways from the US that could impact that, but I always just shoved them back in the fridge as soon as I got home. It weirded me out big time.
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In the US we wash eggs after they are laid and before they are distributed to the market, but this process washes off the outer coating of the egg called the cuticle. With the cuticle gone the egg has to be refrigerated because the cuticle helps prevent bacteria from getting into the egg. Other countries don't wash this layer off, so the eggs can be stored at room temperature without the risk of the eggs going bad from bacterial contamination at room temperature.
 
vetmedhead said:
In the US we wash eggs after they are laid and before they are distributed to the market, but this process washes off the outer coating of the egg called the cuticle. With the cuticle gone the egg has to be refrigerated because the cuticle helps prevent bacteria from getting into the egg. Other countries don't wash this layer off, so the eggs can be stored at room temperature without the risk of the eggs going bad from bacterial contamination at room temperature.
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I think washed eggs also might sweat water at room temperature as well? NPR also has an interesting article about this whole egg washing business http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...-chills-its-eggs-and-most-of-the-world-doesnt
 
Coopah said:
Hey guys, if anyone needs help with modding I have an ample amount of free time and an intrest in trying it out! Please let me know if there are any upcoming games that need help, or games that are still in planning stages that could use an extra hand!
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How do you feel about Spanish soap operas? 😏
 
vetmedhead said:
In the US we wash eggs after they are laid and before they are distributed to the market, but this process washes off the outer coating of the egg called the cuticle. With the cuticle gone the egg has to be refrigerated because the cuticle helps prevent bacteria from getting into the egg. Other countries don't wash this layer off, so the eggs can be stored at room temperature without the risk of the eggs going bad from bacterial contamination at room temperature.
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Ahh good to know! Figured there had to be some reason behind it, I'm just clueless about chickens haha.

....Someone should do a chicken ww.
 
Cyndia said:
Ahh good to know! Figured there had to be some reason behind it, I'm just clueless about chickens haha.

....Someone should do a chicken ww.
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All of the villagers are chickens, wolves are Newcastle disease, Salmonella, avian influenza (the good one, H7N8), and, like, Rous Sarcoma Virus. Alpha wolf can be a backyard chicken farmer if necessary.
 
vetmedhead said:
I think washed eggs also might sweat water at room temperature as well? NPR also has an interesting article about this whole egg washing business http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...-chills-its-eggs-and-most-of-the-world-doesnt
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@vetmedhead, thank you very much for posting this interesting article about eggs.

After reading the comments posted above as well as this egg article, I'm certain the so-called "farm fresh" eggs that I have purchased at the local farmers' market have been washed because they do not have any sheen on their shells. I have purchased brown eggs as well as white eggs (because the color of the shell is irrelevant to me). I'm going to buy organic eggs at this time, and forget about the so-called "farm fresh" eggs unless I can see the actual hens doing their thing at a real-time farm.

When I have been in other countries, I have never had a problem consuming eggs that have not been refrigerated. Come to think of it: some of the eggs haven't been laid by garden-variety hens. Some of the eggs were laid by quail and ostriches in plain view. One of the tastiest eggs I ever consumed was laid by a beautiful brownish-color-speckled-spotted hen. I thought she was truly magnificent in appearance and her egg was fresh in real-time - and absolutely delicious!
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Haha I would be so down for a chicken game if Dev wants to teach about poultry. I know nothing (except they are birds and taste pretty good but not quite as good as turkey) :chicken:
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@SnowshoeDog143, I'm clueless about poultry, too. So, I very much appreciate the knowledge and know-how provided by the different poultry experts in this forum.
 
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