whoa whoa whoa, as a true upstater i just have to chime in again (was doing biochem hmk). TRUE upstate is anything above buffaloish (sorry david)... and cowgirla........ NYC is Not the only part of NY you know, even though most of the rest of the world thinks soNo, no, once you get 10 miles outside of Manhattan, you are "upstate"
Of course, none of that is real New York anyway. In fact, it barely qualifies as "New york"
Go Long Island!
ok rant over