Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

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well, feels like half the roster is MIA and I don’t have a solid feel on anyone. But here are my notes so far.



2. @Zenge142 mixed

Pocketing me with the village read? Agree with some of his reads, didn’t really follow the fight with Mayo?, 3rd person got me, reads improved today, was 3rd in danger (other 2 flipped village already)

3. @Melchizedek mixed

Sarcastic troll-makes himself unreadable by doing all these individual little tests like he’s a philosopher-ruler, good reason for switching off bob

4. @PippyPony mixed

Wants to die, claims April isn’t a wolf, making more sense (2nd calendar day) but now manufacturing sus

5. @sunshinefl village!

6. @Crayola227 village?

Seems okay, usual self

7. @WildZoo sus

weird comment and emoji, trying to shade Genny voters when she led the wagon, soft defense of cray

8. @Viscernable village?

makes sense, analyzing

9. @mkg323 absent

10. @alleycat03 absent/mixed

Weird post trying to say Zenge was “more village” on some of his posts today, when he had only made 1 at that point (but Visc posted quotes where now she is voting for him? Which is odd), POE okay

11. @Aprilthearab sus

Bread “jokes”, trying to shade me, really bad reads list

13. @holdthemayo okay?

Good explanation and sincere frustration for tone change

14. @SportPonies sus

Absent, comes on just to vote me based on nothing and dips while being the only vote on me, typical for wolf sporty

15. @The_Breadmann absent









12. @BobLoblaw78 mixed

making jokes, but also seems to be making more serious reach conclusions..., defending me vs pocketing?, agree with most reads

-night 1 kill, town



1. @genny ???? To sus

seems okay, but disagree on Visc, now being cryptic about Mel

-yeet day 1, town
 
I'm here til Thursday and the days are 36 hours so I'm not really worried. If people want pressure on me, have at it.

Are you actually suspicious of the me/sunshine/mel, or just following pippy's POE? How are you feeling about zenge today?
I was not realy suspicious but that was just a direction I was going to start looking. I figured best case scenario I might find something, worst case I just feel like I can clear more villagers.

Honestly not sure about Zenge still. Feel like he falls in my neutrals and is a little more on the sketchy side.
 
trying to shade Genny voters when she led the wagon
This isn't accurate sunny. I said I wanted to hear from them. I don't see how that is wolfy or unreasonable when those late votes were naked. The wolfy setup comment was about the bob kill, not about the other genny voters specifically, and I clarified that in a later post.
 
well, feels like half the roster is MIA and I don’t have a solid feel on anyone. But here are my notes so far.



2. @Zenge142 mixed

Pocketing me with the village read? Agree with some of his reads, didn’t really follow the fight with Mayo?, 3rd person got me, reads improved today, was 3rd in danger (other 2 flipped village already)

3. @Melchizedek mixed

Sarcastic troll-makes himself unreadable by doing all these individual little tests like he’s a philosopher-ruler, good reason for switching off bob

4. @PippyPony mixed

Wants to die, claims April isn’t a wolf, making more sense (2nd calendar day) but now manufacturing sus

5. @sunshinefl village!

6. @Crayola227 village?

Seems okay, usual self

7. @WildZoo sus

weird comment and emoji, trying to shade Genny voters when she led the wagon, soft defense of cray

8. @Viscernable village?

makes sense, analyzing

9. @mkg323 absent

10. @alleycat03 absent/mixed

Weird post trying to say Zenge was “more village” on some of his posts today, when he had only made 1 at that point (but Visc posted quotes where now she is voting for him? Which is odd), POE okay

11. @Aprilthearab sus

Bread “jokes”, trying to shade me, really bad reads list

13. @holdthemayo okay?

Good explanation and sincere frustration for tone change

14. @SportPonies sus

Absent, comes on just to vote me based on nothing and dips while being the only vote on me, typical for wolf sporty

15. @The_Breadmann absent









12. @BobLoblaw78 mixed

making jokes, but also seems to be making more serious reach conclusions..., defending me vs pocketing?, agree with most reads

-night 1 kill, town



1. @genny ???? To sus

seems okay, but disagree on Visc, now being cryptic about Mel

-yeet day 1, town
I mean, Bread isn’t entirely absent. He’s posting enough that he won’t get mod killed.
 
Really? He's just wolf reading the people who voted for him.
Well, yeah. Of the four biggest wagons yesterday, Genny and Bob are dead. That leaves me and Bread. If I’m right about bread, then that leaves me as the obvious choice for wolves to try and misyeet. Cross referencing people who are wolf reading me with people who I find wolfy, and that’s a good place to start looking for wolves.

I’m sure there’s wolves hiding out in my neutrals somewhere but I’m not just wolf reading people who are wolf reading me. Vis is wolf reading me pretty hard but I’m pretty sure she’s village. Most of my village list is unsure about me at best.
 
For now

Yeet sporty


14. @SportPonies sus

Absent, comes on just to vote me based on nothing and dips while being the only vote on me, typical for wolf sporty
I keep forgetting she’s even playing. The vote on you did kind of come out of nowhere. She came on for a bit, threw shade on a few people, used the argument between you and Pippy as a reason to vote for you, and bounced.
And I agree with Pippy on this whole Pip v Sunny conversation on page 4. Sunny's word choice sounded too sure of herself; like a wolf slip.

unyeet Dubz
yeet sunny


Time to go wrangle a foal again so brb.
@PippyPony since you were the other side of the equation in Sporty’s decision to vote for sunny, and later for a brief period voted for sporty yourself, for being generally absent from the game, I’m wondering what your current thoughts on Sporty are?
 
I keep forgetting she’s even playing. The vote on you did kind of come out of nowhere. She came on for a bit, threw shade on a few people, used the argument between you and Pippy as a reason to vote for you, and bounced.

@PippyPony since you were the other side of the equation in Sporty’s decision to vote for sunny, and later for a brief period voted for sporty yourself, for being generally absent from the game, I’m wondering what your current thoughts on Sporty are?
“I wonder how many pages I’m behind now” -me
“Idk, what page did you leave off on?” -Dubz

*first post I read is about me*
 
Maybe it's just because I have wolfed with you several times now, but when point A doesn't lead to point B, and intead jumps all the way to point D, I read it as wolfy.
Can you point out examples of these "leaps of logic" zenge has made this game?

*insert where you insult me for not figuring it out.*
Nahh its much more fun watching you realize where your own knowledge gaps are and kick yourself for me.
And for the record, I've never insulted you for not knowing how to play the game (and I never would its a learning process) I've insulted you for having a bad attitude and just wanting the answer instead of getting to

Appeal to Emotion

I hope, that while maybe you haven't learned to employ/recognize/analyze reaction tests, that you do understand them in theory.

One simple example is say maybe Cheezit, who is my general arch nemesis, is actually village. Say he suspects I am a wolf. He could reaction test me by liking my posts and agreeing with my posts or being jokey with me to see what I do. He may have a theory that a Wolfy Crayola is going to enjoy the back and forth between us being more agreeable, and certainly let sleeping dogs lie. He may have a theory that a Village Crayola that truly didn't know his Aff would immediately be suspicious of agreeableness from Cheezit. If he was doing what he did on purpose to test my reaction, it would be a reaction test.

Yesterday all my vote swaps to create ties were a form of reaction test. It's something I'm just learning to play with, I'm not adept at interpretation yet, but if you never try something in WW you can never get better at it.
OMG Cray that was a great example and very well explained, I'm so glad you get me 😉

And this the deepest cut of all... @Crayola227 has forgotten who first taught her to power role hunt

😢
She's actively saying she's aware of PR hunting but is terrible at it herself, do you really want to take credit for that? :laugh:

The day I try to pocket Mel is the day I drink a jug full of bleach
Methinks the lady doth protest too much

I re-read this and it sounds kinda harsh so I should probably clarify that I'm saying this to tease Mel because I'm happy he's back

Friendly teasing = #NotAPocket
No worries, I didn't take it negatively
Ah.

A quick foray into my role PM has reminded me...

@Melchizedek why did you have the audacity to angry react at genny's death post last night when you basically shoved her into the grave?

Her cat avatar looks really mad about it. I'd watch out if I were you.
I'm playing 4D chess on thread with everyone and Uno in my role PM with the mods. I'm angery reacting all of AM's posts because she angery reacted to mine on the sign-ups lol

I'm pretty sure Mel enjoys this ribbing of what a legendary nemesis he is as a form of flirting. Or I'm projecting. Nah, pretty sure he likes it.
It hurts so good.
I didn't even see that post Mel, so try again

Good to know you picked up on it though!
I’m so glad our rep isn’t paying attention to posts 😜
I and others had mentioned several times that I was going to be away until right around yeet close. I was feeling up until that point that was the most solid thing to act on and at least put my vote down before close because I was not sure what time I would end up arriving at home and if I would have even been up to reading(Was on the road for around 10ish hours)
no worries, I wasn’t saying you were wolf for not being around. I was annoyed my questions wouldn’t be answered in time for deadline. But now that you have time I’d like to know who else you were considering yesterday (outside of zenge and Mayo) and how that’s changed today now that you have posts and flips to analyze.
 
April
alley
bread
sunny

mkg
sporty
mel
zenge

pippy
mayo
cray
vis


People within categories are not in any particular order at the moment.

April - weird justification for cray vote, also I think there's a wolf between her and alley

alley - I don't think she would be in a pack with April, but I do think there is a wolf between the two of them. Need to read back over her posts a bit, there were a couple of times where I thought the phrasing was odd

Bread - other than zenge I don't think he's mentioned thoughts on much of anyone so far, and now he's backtracked on the zenge read to neutral. Need more here.

sunny - just feel like some of her reads are weird and weaker than what I'm used to. Feels like she's hanging back a bit.

Mkg - ???

Sporty - ???

Mel - I kind of want to village read him but I can't get that soft claim thing out of my head.

zenge - also kind of want to village read him but I'm afraid of pockets. His tone has felt like village zenge, as have his reads lists and justifications. He's lurky but not in a suspicious way so far.

pippy - I just...can't see her even bringing herself up as a d1 yeet option as a wolf. Too many people here who might take her up on it. Idk. She hasn't pushed me yet though so this won't solidify until I see what flavor that comes in. She's been broadly questioning people and feels like sincere wolfhunting.

Mayo - I can accept his justification for the way he was approaching things d1, and when I was reading it over again it leaned more village to me.

Cray - the tie-making and such at EOD felt like cray really trying to gather some data. I still need to get some one on one interaction with her, but so far so good.

Vis - has felt very involved, I've liked her logic, I'm not sure I quite followed the reaction test with the zenge vote but that felt like a village move. D1 tone felt pure. The only thing giving me a bit of pause is that genny seemed really convinced she's was wolfing.
 
April
alley
bread
sunny

mkg
sporty
mel
zenge

pippy
mayo
cray
vis


People within categories are not in any particular order at the moment.

April - weird justification for cray vote, also I think there's a wolf between her and alley

alley - I don't think she would be in a pack with April, but I do think there is a wolf between the two of them. Need to read back over her posts a bit, there were a couple of times where I thought the phrasing was odd

Bread - other than zenge I don't think he's mentioned thoughts on much of anyone so far, and now he's backtracked on the zenge read to neutral. Need more here.

sunny - just feel like some of her reads are weird and weaker than what I'm used to. Feels like she's hanging back a bit.

Mkg - ???

Sporty - ???

Mel - I kind of want to village read him but I can't get that soft claim thing out of my head.

zenge - also kind of want to village read him but I'm afraid of pockets. His tone has felt like village zenge, as have his reads lists and justifications. He's lurky but not in a suspicious way so far.

pippy - I just...can't see her even bringing herself up as a d1 yeet option as a wolf. Too many people here who might take her up on it. Idk. She hasn't pushed me yet though so this won't solidify until I see what flavor that comes in. She's been broadly questioning people and feels like sincere wolfhunting.

Mayo - I can accept his justification for the way he was approaching things d1, and when I was reading it over again it leaned more village to me.

Cray - the tie-making and such at EOD felt like cray really trying to gather some data. I still need to get some one on one interaction with her, but so far so good.

Vis - has felt very involved, I've liked her logic, I'm not sure I quite followed the reaction test with the zenge vote but that felt like a village move. D1 tone felt pure. The only thing giving me a bit of pause is that genny seemed really convinced she's was wolfing.
Can you expand on your thoughts about April/Alley. Why don’t you think they’re in a pack together but one of them is in a pack?
 
Can you expand on your thoughts about April/Alley. Why don’t you think they’re in a pack together but one of them is in a pack?
It's the thing with the incongruent reads on you. I suppose it's possible that they're doing that as packmates but it would feel a little odd. I think it's more likely one of the reads is sincere, I'm just not sure which yet.
 
Hmm. I don't really like this post...
The vote switching didn't feel wolfy to me, and the only reason cray ended up alone on bread is that other peoplepved to genny very quickly at the end. It wasn't like she went off and voted off-wagon, he was still a contender when she voted there.
That's fair, I didn't check context before I put down my vote. I can always change it. I wanted to give more detailed reads and go back to re-read but I was about to pass out cold and wanted at least some thoughts down after catching up

And like I said, I don't feel like any of those three are really howling, but I gotta start somewhere. Would like to see more from mkg because she feels the worst to me but I don't know if she'll be a mod kill or not.
 
That's fair, I didn't check context before I put down my vote. I can always change it. I wanted to give more detailed reads and go back to re-read but I was about to pass out cold and wanted at least some thoughts down after catching up

And like I said, I don't feel like any of those three are really howling, but I gotta start somewhere. Would like to see more from mkg because she feels the worst to me but I don't know if she'll be a mod kill or not.
Ok, just seems odd not to look at that context if it is the main reason for your vote. You've been around and posting quite a bit so I'd expect a bit more solid reads at this point than your top three just being people to keep an eye on.

Remind me of your reasons for sunny and mayo?
 
Ok, just seems odd not to look at that context if it is the main reason for your vote. You've been around and posting quite a bit so I'd expect a bit more solid reads at this point than your top three just being people to keep an eye on.

Remind me of your reasons for sunny and mayo?
Yeah, I was around and involved a lot more on the weekend than yesterday. I think I got to jump on the thread for real just once yesterday after I had a long busy day and I didn't get the opportunity to do anything other than catch up.

Off the top of my head, for mayo - I still can't let go of that weird vote reason switching D1, especially knowing I let that go one time in a previous game and then he flipped wolf. Then the argument about voting the champs vs not felt like he was trying to give an excuse for putting his vote somewhere he thought would be easy. Since then, I feel like I've seen nothing from him aside from the occasional comment.

For Sun - I'd have to go back and pull examples of the interactions that made me feel weird. I don't always have the easiest time reading Sun until she gives off serious frustrated villager vibes and I haven't seen that yet, just a ton of eye rolls.
I remember in a previous game she got in a big argument because she called someone's reads list crap without explanation. I can't remember if she was a wolf that game or not, would appreciate if someone remembers. She did that with my read today, and it's basically saying "you don't agree with me so you're definitely a wolf." It's not the depth of analysis I would like to see. Especially when she didn't say WHY she thinks my reads list is bad. I need to go back and read the rest of her reads list some time because I've so far only read her read of me while skimming during my lunch break.
 
I recall Sporty doing catch up posting at one point but I don't remember what any of it was about, so apparently it wasn't anything memorable which concerns me
Yeah well apparently everyone feels that way since everyone apparently thinks I was yeeting sunshine for no reason. Maybe you guys should read better.
 
Yeah well apparently everyone feels that way since everyone apparently thinks I was yeeting sunshine for no reason. Maybe you guys should read better.
Well either my memory is crap or your sunny reasoning wasn't memorable enough to be worth a yeet. Or both, because the first is usually true
 
And this is a problem why? The last time she was wolf she was making early game ties left and right, so I actually feel better that she seems to be reading things other than just the last tally
JUST LET ME LIKE TIES IN PEACE
Went on a quick Z iso. This post and the following turn from hyperfocusing on mayo to broader analysis is what’s stopping me from voting Z. On reread, I really didn’t like the way/reasoning he was pushing mayo. His reply below, to Pippy saying she kind of recalled strongly defending wolf mayo, was really troubling me. Was staring at this post like the emoji was the damn rosetta stone clue to reading all the rest of his posts.

But I don’t see wolf Z pushing someone this hard then agreeing to drop it and reconsider his read for the moment. It risks looking hedgey, it’s way easier to just keep pushing the same argument and avoid both sus for “well why did you suddenly about-face” and having to come up with new reads, and I don’t remember wolf Z giving up on a misyeet he was pushing.

His reads list felt well-reasoned and showed he’s been paying attention. It looked like some independent reasoning instead of just sheeping thread consensus or being fed reads by wolfchat (e.g. some points on genny that I don’t think anyone else brought up).
Frankly, Zenge always sounds well-reasoned, as village or as wolf. Just sometimes the reason is static if you squint. So I’m not sure this really pushes him village.
kidding, there's only one wolf on my wagon so far.
The AM-ness of genny’s posts is weird and I probably would’ve flipped my vote here had I been on at day close. Not that it matters anymore
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz () -
Sporty () -
Bread (1) - mkg
Cray () -
Vis (1) - genny
Mel (1) - sunshine
mayo () -
Zenge (4) - mayo, Bob, Bread, Vis
genny (3) - dubz, Zenge, Pippy
Bob (3) - alley, April, Mel
sunshine (1) - Sporty

14/15
Missing: Cray
yeet close in ~1 hour
Ehhh actually, maybe I would’ve switched my vote to Zenge instead. Idk.
 
K here’s the reaction I was looking for. Doesn’t look like W/W Bob/Zenge. I am wondering about whether W/W Bob/genny is possible, now, though.

unvote Z
Vote Bob
How do you feel about this now?
I swear I just read something where you said forcing ties right before close was one of the reasons you will always vote for someone.

Seems like good advice.

Unyeet Zenge
Yeet Cray
Hmmmm. I think this is NAI, but amusing regardless
 
@sunshinefl I'm not sure what the point is of including dead villagers in your reads, but your posthumous read on Bob does not match your actual D1 read.
The point is it’s the entirety of my game notes and I copy pasted it from note to here.
We got in a whole disagreement about one of his comments because you were trying to drive the idea it was wolfy, remember?
Nope nope nope. Twisting my words AGAIN.
I don’t really get it. Why would a wolf who was genuinely confused about somethong they want to know for choosing a NK ask it in thread instead of in wolfchat?
Here Visc asked why that was even a wolf *possibility*. I wasn’t even the one who initially presented a comment on it that she was responding to. (I think it was Mel and or Cray)
So that people would literally ask this question and use this reasoning.
I was only responding to her question.
Well as far as I can see, different people are saying that it would be a dumb noob wolf thing to do (not me) and others are saying it would be a regular wolf strategy (me) but now you’re saying it’s too big brain for him.
Me responding to you because as I said in post, the thread couldn’t even agree on if it would be a stupid wolf thing to do, a strategy, or too smart for bob wolf thing
Thinking harder about possible wolfy Bob with that reads list that I don't feel really reflects what's been going on
April ****s on bobs read list
I actually agreed with a lot of it
And I defend it. Bonus points for Puling this quote which also related to April being confused about why I thought her reads list is bad in the present.


**so in conclusion, my posts about bob absolutely reflect my read on him. Which was not posthumous**

I mean, Bread isn’t entirely absent. He’s posting enough that he won’t get mod killed.
Absent is my read. Not a post count. I use that when there isn’t enough info yet for me to have a read.
Did alley come back and address this?
No.
Nahh its much more fun watching you realize where your own knowledge gaps are and kick yourself for me.
And for the record, I've never insulted you for not knowing how to play the game (and I never would its a learning process) I've insulted you for having a bad attitude and just wanting the answer instead of getting to
No. You definitely insulted me. And I didn’t have a bad attitude. And I’m not kicking myself.

I think I saw that you’re in human med, right? Well it’s like this... if you’re on rounds and you don’t know something and the attending is using Socratic method, and then you reach a point that he just keeps asking the same question 40 times and holds up rounds for an hour to keep berating you without contributing to the knowledge or even moving on... that’s what you were doing.
 
Ok

How do people feel about a bread/sunny/?? pack?
I can’t say I’ve seen anything from Sunny this game that’s outside the bounds of what I would expect from Village!Sunny. I like some of her reads, and she’s calling people out for things I agree with in a way that feels like genuine wolf hunting.

So just based on my village read of Sunny, I’m inclined to say she’s not in a pack with Bread and ???.
 
@mkg323 you say you aren't up to date so you're staying out of the leading wagons, but you're on a leading wagon
Hmmm. Sunny pointing this out almost feels like trying to dig up sketch. Something about it just doesn’t sit right with me
Well, it took the heat off Zenge.
I’m trying to figure out if this means “yeet Zenge and the people who flipped the vote to Bread” but I need to go back and check.

unyeet bread
yeet dubz

cause I know something wont build on her in the next 3 minutes.
Don’t love this, but also can see a behind-villager doing it. I just think it’s ultimately better to park your vote based on the information you have so far, so switching to a supposedly random vote seems. Not great.
hmmm
Unvote bread
Vote Genny
Why?
Mayo stated this perfectly. Whenever I see Zenge making large leaps of logic and exaggerating, I get pinged by his wolfiness. I have seen those stretching the truth a couple of times so far this game.

@Melchizedek here is where I pointed out that I was feeling icky about bob




Agreeing with Bread’s logic here. Still reading Z as more wolfy than Mayo, but some of his posts today seemed pro-village. And yes, it’s possible that they’re both villagers, but that interaction seemed more conducive to w/v. Way too much attention was drawn to it for me to think it was w/w though.

I know MKG was the other person (besides myself) who didn’t meet post minimum, so I will be keeping an eye on her posts today to see what she’s thinking


I can’t figure out how to move the quotes around, so just look where I tagged you earlier in this post to see where I pointed out which posts pinged me before.

Well I pulled this last night as another bob quote that rubbed me the wrong way.

And another one. I seriously misjudged him ugh

I agree with April’s summary of wolf!bread. During WoWP, he was very careful trying to not seem too associated with the other wolves. So far, his few posts seem village to me

I literally still do not understand reaction tests, so fair warning I’m going to be confused if somebody does one in this game

What is AtE?
Quoting this because it was way too long for me to process right now
 
I can’t say I’ve seen anything from Sunny this game that’s outside the bounds of what I would expect from Village!Sunny. I like some of her reads, and she’s calling people out for things I agree with in a way that feels like genuine wolf hunting.

So just based on my village read of Sunny, I’m inclined to say she’s not in a pack with Bread and ???.
Sussing me for an emoji seems within village!sunny range to you?
 
So are all your votes this game just gonna be retaliatory?
What? Now you’re being twisty. And perhaps being a hypocrite since I voted you and now you’re trying to throw shade on me. Of the 5 times I’ve voted:

1. wildzoo early based day She hadn’t even mentioned me then.

2. Mel mid day and he hadn’t commented on me at all.

3. Genny late day 1 and she wasn’t saying anything about me.

4. YOU mid day 2 and you hadn’t said a word about me until AFTER I voted you. (so the reverse of what you’re insinuating)

5. Pippy just now because she is twisting everything
 
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