Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

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Anyway I was just looking at the trackers and vote timing and found it interesting that sunny broke the tie away from bread. Set herself up nicely to place that vote by saying earlier that she preferred genny of the options, but didn't actually move until bread was back in danger (after cray made the tie).
 
So Mel’s comment on Bob’s possible-doctor claim in tandem with the Cray post below makes me uncomfortable. Tone feels off for both of them, but particularly Cray. The “well frak. Solves that mystery” feels.... disingenuous. Like she’s trying too hard. It makes me lean Cray wolf

quoting on my phone completely destroyed this, so everything below this line is Cray’s post

———/


Well frak. Solves that mystery. Also I fear I said something that might have implied he was village vig, and while some wolves will leave them alive to shoot, others don't.
Now I'm never smart enough to catch onto any possible soft claims, it makes me wonder about who might have. Agree on side eyeing people being like BOOBBBBBBb NOOOOOooooo!!! today
 
Yeet cray

I didn't like how she was talking about wolf kill choice strategy yesterday, especially in light of the fact that I'm still alive this morning
I don’t understand this, so please elaborate
Why? That in particular doesn't ping me
@PippyPony also asked me about this post but my phone keeps breaking quotes. My ehhh was about the tone more than the content

Also, Something is rubbing me the wrong way about wildzoo throwing shade on the late Genny voters when she was the first one on the wagon.
Hmmm
Tone of this gives me hives. I thibk I like her post on her reasoning afterward tho. Need to think on it.
Maybe this is where I was on alley.
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Bread (1) - Zenge
Cray (1) - April
Zenge (1) - alley
sunshine (1) - Pippy
April (1) - DubZ
Sporty () -
alley (1) - Mel
Pippy (1) - sunshine

7/13
yeet close in ~9 hours
 
What? Now you’re being twisty. And perhaps being a hypocrite since I voted you and now you’re trying to throw shade on me. Of the 5 times I’ve voted:

1. wildzoo early based day She hadn’t even mentioned me then.

2. Mel mid day and he hadn’t commented on me at all.

3. Genny late day 1 and she wasn’t saying anything about me.

4. YOU mid day 2 and you hadn’t said a word about me until AFTER I voted you. (so the reverse of what you’re insinuating)

5. Pippy just now because she is twisting everything
Okay so apparently you’re not reading either, because I made my vote on you pretty clear, IMO.
 
Anyway I was just looking at the trackers and vote timing and found it interesting that sunny broke the tie away from bread. Set herself up nicely to place that vote by saying earlier that she preferred genny of the options, but didn't actually move until bread was back in danger (after cray made the tie).
Bro I was specifically *asked* about the leading wagons. JFC. I didn’t “set” anything up. And I didn’t move because bread was in danger. I moved because Bob was and I felt much worse about Genny than bob.
 
Bro I was specifically *asked* about the leading wagons. JFC. I didn’t “set” anything up. And I didn’t move because bread was in danger. I moved because Bob was and I felt much worse about Genny than bob.
I'm not going to get into a fight with you about it, sunny. Just saying what I see in the VCA, looking for thoughts from others. I don't find it overall productive to argue with you about my read on you lol
 
I'm not going to get into a fight with you about it, sunny. Just saying what I see in the VCA, looking for thoughts from others. I don't find it overall productive to argue with you about my read on you lol
Okay well for the other people reading, you know, the ones you wanted thoughts from? I’m not going to let your fake narrative sit unchallenged.
 
Oh, it's absolutely in my wolf range. But it's also in my village range as well.
Hmmm
yeet April

That cray read really rubbed me the wrong way. I am also itching a bit to vote for Mel...but it's really just because picking up on a possible soft, killing someone based on it, and then talking on thread like it couldn't possibly have been missed seems like 100% of a wolf!Mel move.
Ah, here’s the words for what I was feeling on that Mel post, but couldn’t put into words
 
@Aprilthearab care to comment on the sequence of:

you call bobs list ****
I say it’s good
I call your list ****
You say it’s bogus
The difference is I didn't say it was crap, I said I didn't agree with his logic for forming his reads, AND I explained exactly what I had problems with and why
 
Aside from Sporty reading Mayo village, I like the logic that she has in her catch up and makes me feel a bit better
 
Ok I went back and looked at progression again, I'd missed mkg moved off bread before sunny moved to genny, so sunny actually broke the bob/genny tie and bread was no longer in it. But I do find it interesting she didn't move earlier when bob had pulled ahead. And that there were two instances of bread defense that I'll quote below. Idk. I'm going back and forth on it.

These posts were between 9:30 and 9:58pm. Basically pulled quotes and votes relevant to the bob/bread/genny wagons and context for sunny's posts.
I would like to hear from @SportPonies @mkg323 and @sunshinefl on the three leading wagons, since right now they just look like wolves hiding their votes safely off wagon rather than actually making a case for their votes.

I actually feel that way about sporty's vote


I really do want people to vote for Mel, but people are coming off of it rather than on it. Visc was my strongest village read but then weirdly switched off of him to zenge. Kinda weird after ISO'ing zenge and saying she was feeling better about him, and that my 2nd vote on Mel may actually have started to make it real. So Im concerned there.

but anyway between the 3, Genny is ??? to sus, Zenge is Mixed???, and Bob is mixed. If I had to choose between the 3 with the information I had now, I would yeet Genny.
I have to go back and look at progression because I thought sunny was shading bob earlier on, and I don't currently remember when that changed
K here’s the reaction I was looking for. Doesn’t look like W/W Bob/Zenge. I am wondering about whether W/W Bob/genny is possible, now, though.

unvote Z
Vote Bob

hmmmm

Unvote bob
Vote Bread

Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz () -
Sporty () -
Bread (2) - mkg, Mel
Cray () -
Vis (1) - genny
Mel (1) - sunshine
mayo () -
Zenge (3) - mayo, Bob, Bread
genny (3) - dubz, Zenge, Pippy
Bob (4) - alley, April, Cray, Vis
sunshine (1) - Sporty

15/15
yeet close in ~30 minutes

where is everyone?

It's crunchtime now.

and really mostly the only action is some reaction test from Visc that I don't understand.

#### unyeet Bob ####

#### yeet Bread ####

I'm high on ties

Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz () -
Sporty () -
Bread (3) - mkg, Mel, Cray
Cray (1) - mayo
Vis (1) - genny
Mel (1) - sunshine
mayo () -
Zenge (2) - Bob, Bread
genny (3) - dubz, Zenge, Pippy
Bob (3) - alley, April, Vis
sunshine (1) - Sporty

15/15
yeet close in ~13 minutes

for the people voting bread, he's really been absent and he's driving now. what's really gained by his yeet?
Bread defense 1
@mkg323 you say you aren't up to date so you're staying out of the leading wagons, but you're on a leading wagon
Bread defense 2 (mkg was on bread at the time)
well poop. I thought it was between bob and zenge but I guess not.
unyeet bread
yeet dubz

cause I know something wont build on her in the next 3 minutes.

genny has vote control now. Where is AM when I actually need her for wagonomics?
Bob and genny actually had equal vote control since they weren't crossvoting
unyeet Mel
yeet Genny

I could see the switch being for what sunny says, because of bob being in danger and genny still being able to switch her vote. But bob also would have been able to switch to genny and tie it up again. And I'm not sure when sunny relaxed on her bob sus enough to want to save him, so I'm missing that context (that might be my bad and not sunny's, I think I missed a page or two that day).

So basically I need to do more reading but I appreciate any thoughts that anyone has here.
 
Ok I went back and looked at progression again, I'd missed mkg moved off bread before sunny moved to genny, so sunny actually broke the bob/genny tie and bread was no longer in it. But I do find it interesting she didn't move earlier when bob had pulled ahead. And that there were two instances of bread defense that I'll quote below. Idk. I'm going back and forth on it.

These posts were between 9:30 and 9:58pm. Basically pulled quotes and votes relevant to the bob/bread/genny wagons and context for sunny's posts.



I have to go back and look at progression because I thought sunny was shading bob earlier on, and I don't currently remember when that changed













Bread defense 1

Bread defense 2 (mkg was on bread at the time)



Bob and genny actually had equal vote control since they weren't crossvoting


I could see the switch being for what sunny says, because of bob being in danger and genny still being able to switch her vote. But bob also would have been able to switch to genny and tie it up again. And I'm not sure when sunny relaxed on her bob sus enough to want to save him, so I'm missing that context (that might be my bad and not sunny's, I think I missed a page or two that day).

So basically I need to do more reading but I appreciate any thoughts that anyone has here.
1. Omg we’ve literally been through this. I responded to pippy claiming i was wolf reading bob when I had him as mixed. That means some sus and some positives. I pulled all the quotes. It’s on like page 18.

2. I have no way of knowing breads affiliation. I’m not trying to protect him. I was more so calling out mkg for playing oh gee golly while sitting on a leading wagon. And also he really was driving (home from YOUR house so not sure how that’s confusing).
 
OK so I have completely reread D1 after seeing bob flip village. I have a **** ton of quotes to post, but I want to give an update since I didnt post anything in the past 24 hours

Sunny - I'm reading her more village after she pointed out that bread had become a leading wagon. I pretty much wanted to throw away my vote D1 because I didnt know what was going on, and felt my vote would do more harm than good on a leading wagon.
Cray and Mel - really sus of them for jumping on the Bread wagon after I said I wouldnt be moving my vote, and with only 13 minutes left till closing and bread wasnt on. felt like they were trying to take advantage of my absence.
Zenge - was originally thinking him and mayo were v/v but the more I look at his reads the less I like him. I thought his original argument was like the one I had with shorty last game, which was v/v, but I wouldnt put it past him to manufacture something similar to try and get village cred.
Vissy - while her entrance on thread pinged me, I've really liked her contributions so far and am starting to village read her.
 
What logic? The one where you guys agree that I’m sus? Or the one where she quoted alleys post only to say that she didn’t read it?
I like the points she made on you and Cray and I remember nodding along with a few other things too
Sunny - I'm reading her more village after she pointed out that bread had become a leading wagon. I pretty much wanted to throw away my vote D1 because I didnt know what was going on, and felt my vote would do more harm than good on a leading wagon.
What does this mean and why is it AI?
 
1. Omg we’ve literally been through this. I responded to pippy claiming i was wolf reading bob when I had him as mixed. That means some sus and some positives. I pulled all the quotes. It’s on like page 18.

2. I have no way of knowing breads affiliation. I’m not trying to protect him. I was more so calling out mkg for playing oh gee golly while sitting on a leading wagon. And also he really was driving (home from YOUR house so not sure how that’s confusing).
Ok next time I'll say anyone but sunny 😉 I'm looking for unbiased evaluations

1. I already said that might be my bad for missing the progression. I just vividly remembered you talking about him posting things on thread to pull the "golly gee noob" card (paraphrasing).

2. I didn't say it was confusing.
 
Ok next time I'll say anyone but sunny 😉 I'm looking for unbiased evaluations

1. I already said that might be my bad for missing the progression. I just vividly remembered you talking about him posting things on thread to pull the "golly gee noob" card (paraphrasing).

2. I didn't say it was confusing.
1. No. I never said his was being a noob. Other people did. What I said was to respond to Visc’s question about something like why he would ask about people being immune to night kills on thread instead of in wolf chat if he was a wolf, and I said so that people could literally ask that question. That’s all I said.

2. Okay? It wasn’t fictional either...
 
@Viscernable you did that whole “reaction test” I didn’t get and everyone thought was weird until you explained it away, and moved from zenge to bob after, but then still moved from bob to Genny even though Bob apparently failed your reaction test? Or zenge passed? Or what?
 
some quick responses, still catching up on the last couple pages and collecting quotes for the eventual wall post:

I'm quite distracted waiting for my cat at urgent care (she's not that urgent so it's taking forever) at my friend's house. I'm keeping up on thread with reading new posts and replying, but he's quite chatty so I can't really dig in. I feel I need to re read and parse out how I'm feeling about people, just feels like I don't have a mental consolidation where I know where to place a vote. I feel like I only have a superficial read, and superficially anyone can seem village unless they're howling. I need to fine tooth comb to find those subtle post tells I love so much.

Reads off the cuff (top of my head)

Mayo and Zenge I found both of them guilty yesterday of "stretchy" reasoning. But Zenge is making good points. But he always makes good points. He does feel lurky. Mayo feels even more absent which is concerning.

Alley seems like alley, which doesn't tell much. I often read her village unless she does something obvious. I felt she was making villagey contributions.

Mkg was not a good look with her behavior yesterday and absentish today.

Sus of Sporty. I usually find her hard to read, and quiet, and the sus on me and not much else, and sus on possible low hanging fruit misyeet like alley, all adds to my sus. She did make some points I can't recall that were good I thought though.

Mel feels absent, lurky, pocket-y, he seems to be following more closely than his obvious thread presence might suggest. I don't know if just busy IRL.

Dubz isn't screaming too village to be true, which is concerning, because often when she does she is actually village. Iirc she claimed some IRL stuff.

Pip making some good and not so good points on Sunny, who otherwise just feels like Sunny, which isn't helpful.

Anyone else has been too quiet to come to my mind without a reminder or the roster, which is disappointing.

So this isn't where I feel comfortable with a vote. My plan as per usual is to dig in tonight when everyone at my house is asleep (Cessna and cats), and waking up to my vote should be early enough to help village. I'm sorry I don't feel I can do more earlier but such is life when I've got cat worries and a distracting friend on the brain rn.

If I was wolf I would have already voted rn, that's WIFOM I know but true anyway.
you literally tried to capitalize on Bread's absence and my throw away vote and voted behind me to get bread out. with only 13 minutes to close. if anything yesterday reflects poorly on you, not me.
Ouch.

Can I get some specifics on this?
I dont agree with a lot of them, and they remind me a lot of your reads from last game when you wolfed and I pulled you out of my POE

I like the points she made on you and Cray and I remember nodding along with a few other things too

What does this mean and why is it AI?
if she was a wolf why point it out? just let people hop on the wagon and vote bread out, he was absent and I wasnt keeping up on the thread well. Also, I see the people who jumped on bread last minute to be wolfy, and sunny's actions would not help them
 
I'm still frantically preparing for my finals but I'm back to get caught up on thread.

I'm a bit confused just glancing at my mentions. I was not moving zenge more village? Maybe you all are just confused because I worded my post confusingly. But to be clear, I am wolf reading him and that is why I'm voting for him.
 
if she was a wolf why point it out? just let people hop on the wagon and vote bread out, he was absent and I wasnt keeping up on the thread well. Also, I see the people who jumped on bread last minute to be wolfy, and sunny's actions would not help them
What if she's a wolf and Bread is a packmate? It would only be useful info if we knew Bread is village
 
if she was a wolf why point it out? just let people hop on the wagon and vote bread out, he was absent and I wasnt keeping up on the thread well. Also, I see the people who jumped on bread last minute to be wolfy, and sunny's actions would not help them
This would be assuming bread is village, yes?
 
Feels like you’re giving yourself enough hedging room to waffle onto me at EOD without it looking too suspicious.
This doesn’t strike me as a fair reaction. On the surface it looks like wolfhunting by pointing out sus hedging, but I don’t see Bread doing the AI kind of hedging, which I see as a) bringing up points that wolves want thread to take note of in defence of a packmate or to set up suspicion on a villager, but then hedging with a wishy-washy “oh I have no idea it could mean anything maybe they are village/wolf” or b) refusing to take a real stand on anyone and giving reads lists that actually say very little for all the hedging. Bread saying that he reads z on the sketchy side of neutral is neither. Imo villagers are as likely to read someone “sketchy side of neutral” as wolves, you need to look at context (which i haven’t done, i’m just responding to z’s post because it struck me), not just “oh look a neutral read hedgey wolfy”
 
Bread saying that he reads z on the sketchy side of neutral is neither.
Yeah but does this really line up with his voting history?
Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz (1) - mkg
Sporty () -
Bread (1) - Cray
Cray (1) - mayo
Vis (1) - genny
Mel () -
mayo () -
Zenge (2) - Bob, Bread
genny (6) - dubz, Zenge, Pippy, sunshine, Mel, Vis
Bob (2) - alley, April
sunshine (1) - Sporty

15/15
That’s the issue. Woof reading me and voting me yesterday without much to support it. Combined with today’s post it is hedgy.
 
How do you feel about this now?
Well I’m pretty sure they aren’t w/w

(I have been struggling with how to feel about Z. Reading him wolfy but probably not my strongest wolf read. but I’m not caught up)
 
Are you? What specifically are you seeing? I’m curious what specific examples you can provide.
So just going back over the past few pages, your reasoning to clear people jumping on the genny wagon last-minute stands out to me. It seems like you're making broad assumptions as to what people would do as wolves, including Mel, who I am pretty sure you have never played with before. Additionally, the claims you made in your read list posted at the bottom of page 14. I already brought up when and where you exaggerated what I said regarding the mayo vs you argument, and your own stretching of what I said somehow made you wolfread me more? I can probably dig up a few more posts from even earlier on, but those were the most recent examples and I am pressed for time right now.
 
So just going back over the past few pages, your reasoning to clear people jumping on the genny wagon last-minute stands out to me. It seems like you're making broad assumptions as to what people would do as wolves, including Mel, who I am pretty sure you have never played with before.
You’re right, but do you want to explain to me the logic behind Mel or Vis moving their votes when they did, the way they did, if they were wolves?

Could they have? Sure. Is it logical and would it make sense? Absolutely not. If you can explain why a wolf would do that I’d love to hear it, because it certainly isn’t the WIFOM. I’m the only one who looked at it and described it as village. 9 times out of 10, it’s going to end in them getting yeeted the next day. A wolf moving their vote like that, at the last second, while theoretically possible, seems like a very unlikely trip to crazy town.

But if you have a reasonable explanation for why a wolf would do that, that doesn’t just boil down to “but the WIFOM!?” I’m all ears.
 
You’re right, but do you want to explain to me the logic behind Mel or Vis moving their votes when they did, the way they did, if they were wolves?

Could they have? Sure. Is it logical and would it make sense? Absolutely not. If you can explain why a wolf would do that I’d love to hear it, because it certainly isn’t the WIFOM. I’m the only one who looked at it and described it as village. 9 times out of 10, it’s going to end in them getting yeeted the next day. A wolf moving their vote like that, at the last second, while theoretically possible, seems like a very unlikely trip to crazy town.

But if you have a reasonable explanation for why a wolf would do that, that doesn’t just boil down to “but the WIFOM!?” I’m all ears.
But the WIFOM is fun :heckyeah:
 
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