Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

[alleycat03]

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Z had made literally 1 post today at this point. Which is making me wonder if they could be packmates and she’s trying to slowly change public opinion on zenge. This is definitely a post wild alley would make about a packmate. Makes me kinda side eye both of them.

See my post above. Both of the posts he had already posted that day caused me to squint because of the logic jumps.
does wild alley = wolf alley? Not sure why that is a post I would make as a wolf but okay

Tone of this gives me hives. I thibk I like her post on her reasoning afterward tho. Need to think on it.

Is my tone still giving you hives? I genuinely thought Bob was a nooby wolf, but I was completely wrong. And I'm betting Mel is right, the wolves caught on to his potential softclaim and killed him.

Bob started reading frustrated villager as the votes piled up. I still wanted bread to show up and answer my question from yesterday (he made a comment about Mayo v Zenge very early that’s didn’t sit well with me), so I went there. It was annoying he didn’t show up so I flipped to Genny because I didn’t want bob lynched after this line:


I straight up thought bob was soft claiming doctor here, and apparently so did the wolves.


Hard side eye at Dubz (and to a lesser extent anyone else) going “OMG Why did they kill BOB?!?!?” What he said was not subtle. That combined with her first post today (it reads like a very obvious “Look at me I’m so town because I’m asking the obvious question”) don’t make me feel good about her.

See, I totally missed that line, and it seems like others missed it too.

Appeal to Emotion

I hope, that while maybe you haven't learned to employ/recognize/analyze reaction tests, that you do understand them in theory.

One simple example is say maybe Cheezit, who is my general arch nemesis, is actually village. Say he suspects I am a wolf. He could reaction test me by liking my posts and agreeing with my posts or being jokey with me to see what I do. He may have a theory that a Wolfy Crayola is going to enjoy the back and forth between us being more agreeable, and certainly let sleeping dogs lie. He may have a theory that a Village Crayola that truly didn't know his Aff would immediately be suspicious of agreeableness from Cheezit. If he was doing what he did on purpose to test my reaction, it would be a reaction test.

Yesterday all my vote swaps to create ties were a form of reaction test. It's something I'm just learning to play with, I'm not adept at interpretation yet, but if you never try something in WW you can never get better at it.

This is really helpful, thank you. I think I understand what a reaction test is ~in theory~, but I feel like whenever somebody makes a dumb move or something, they can just claim "well I did that move ON PURPOSE because it was a ReAcTiOn TeSt!" regardless, I will be keeping an eye out for them and trying to decipher how somone uses one correctly in WW.

Yesterday you made a post saying how you thought I was probably a vanillager because of how I was asking to die early, and that you thought wolves wouldn't waste a kill on that.

As I just told Sunshine, villagers typically aren't spending a lot of brain real estate trying to triage hypothetical kill orders based on likelihood of a power role.

I also think you in particular would be someone who might look at me asking "be kind, euthanize" and go "naaaahhh not strategically useful" and stamp ~Request Denied~ all over my file.

You're welcome to try to convince me otherwise but I'd like to see you get a little heat today in addition to that group of 3 I just mentioned.

Wolf!Cray does take into consideration potential PR roles, who she wants to take to endgame, and potential kill order. She did that a lot in Bioshock, but I think it is something that she does naturally and I'm not sure it is actually AI.
I have seen other wolves do the exact same thing too, including Z and April (especially April) last game when they gave out d1 noob passes and wanting to kill certain people in a certain order based on the flow of the game.

I don't quite know how to explain, and I wish Cyndia was here to back up how good she is at PR hunting as a wolf, and how in pack chat I kept saying "wow how did you catch so and so said/did that!" I bet @alleycat03 and @Zenge142 can back me up that repeatedly in pack chat I have said "OK guys, now we want to look for clues to PRs, but I'm not gonna catch any villager hints!" And the responsibility for actually figuring that out fell to them.

When I said the last part, saying I wonder who would have considered the PR hunting stuff and might have seen a soft claim, I mean who are wolves smart enough to see that stuff. It's not me. I can't list who is dumb this way like I am, as I can say who is decent at it. Mel, Pip, Alley, Zenge, from what I can tell have decent PR soft claim pick up skills. I was saying we should look at people like that because Cheezit made a decent point that Bob's kill might make sense as there might have been reasons they they he was a PR.

Bob was asking who was elected, and SOMEONE ELSE saw that and pointed it out saying "Why, you planning a NK wolfy?" And I piggybacked on that saying that maybe it wasn't a wolfy kill he was trying to plan. So I would hardly give myself credit for picking up a soft *that didn't already have attention*.

I don't catch on *when villagers are hinting on open thread* their roles.

If you are begging for death, and I conclude you must either be a wolf sowing WIFOM, or a villager who doesn't have a PR, I don't see that the same as them making a purposeful soft claim and me catching onto that.

I can definitely back this up. Cyndia picked up on a lot of the softclaims and PR reveals in bioshock. IIRC, Z did too, and I caught some as well. Poor Cray was not picking up on most of them, and she relied on the rest of us to figure out softclaims and subtle role reveals. I caught a lot of the PRs in WoWP because I was so familiar with the wizarding storyline. It was a combination of Zenge and I that caught on to many of the role reveals. Zenge found Shorty's lover fakeclaim and I figured out Justin and Theresa, so it was both of us identifying PRs. I know I am indicting myself by pointing out that Z and I are both good at it, but it is definitely possible that he missed Bob's claim just like I did.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Could they have? Sure. Is it logical and would it make sense? Absolutely not. If you can explain why a wolf would do that I’d love to hear it, because it certainly isn’t the WIFOM. I’m the only one who looked at it and described it as village. 9 times out of 10, it’s going to end in them getting yeeted the next day. A wolf moving their vote like that, at the last second, while theoretically possible, seems like a very unlikely trip to crazy town.

Well the wifom seems to be working to some extent if that's what's going on because there are currently no votes on Mel or Vis and I know there are a few people who would not mind putting a vote on Mel but aren't. You'd think if it was wolfy enough at least one person should have jumped on Mel's yeet by now.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Bread (1) - Zenge
Cray (1) - April
Zenge (1) - alley
sunshine (2) - Pippy, Sporty
April (1) - DubZ
Sporty () -
alley (1) - Mel
Pippy (1) - sunshine

8/13
yeet close in ~6 hours

 

[alleycat03]

I’m caught between three opposing thoughts

1. I’m sketched out that cray just claimed she never picks up on PR hints (referring to wolves apparently having interpreted Bob’s comments as a soft claim. I also didn’t pick up on it but in hindsight it was probably pretty obvious if you were coming at things in even a remotely role-solving kind of mindset) when she read you as a vanillager for your kill request. I know they’re not exactly the same thing, but both use similar perceptive skills and demand a PR hunting mindset. This feels like W/V cray/pippy.

2. The last couple paragraphs feel like pippy is simultaneously setting up an excuse for not getting NKed in the future and setting cray up for suspicion based on it. This feels like V/W cray/pippy

3. overall cray and pippy have both felt pretty villagey

I like the logic of this post and I had a lot of similar thoughts. I am thinking Pippy is village and cray has been moving steadily village (from her spot in neutrals) today as I get caught up. So their squirmish is making me wonder since they both seem village-y.

I just got back from four hours of making and sharing dinner with Ace's huge family, tried to catch up but hit Alley's big post and realized my brain is not ready to absorb any of it or any posts following so I will be back in a bit

I'm sorry, will try to shorten them and space them out in the future.

Bob's comment about life saving made me squint, it was weird, but as a noob he says lots of weird stuff.

In general, I am not sure just how beneficial NKA will be since we literally do not know if Bob was actually the doctor. I agree with what Cray said earlier that Bob said some unusual things (no offense dude) as a noob. I thought bob's phrasing was wolfy, others thought it was nooby, and apparently mel picked up on a softclaim from him.

I was a bad student and read 2 pages of thread. Time for video 2, will be back shortly.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm sorry, will try to shorten them and space them out in the future.

No you're all good! I just hit a mental block lol your post was completely understandable after I took a mental break

 

[sunshinefl]

This is really helpful, thank you. I think I understand what a reaction test is ~in theory~, but I feel like whenever somebody makes a dumb move or something, they can just claim "well I did that move ON PURPOSE because it was a ReAcTiOn TeSt!" regardless, I will be keeping an eye out for them and trying to decipher how somone uses one correctly in WW.

This is exactly my problem with all these “reaction tests” people are claiming. Coupled with the fact that even if sincere it doesn’t mean they’re correct.

 

[Viscernable]

Don’t love this, but also can see a behind-villager doing it. I just think it’s ultimately better to park your vote based on the information you have so far, so switching to a supposedly random vote seems. Not great.

My first thought was “yeesh forgot she did that. In what world does a villager deliberately decide to throw away their one tool for survival, trying to vote out wolves, with a random vote at EOD?” Reconsidered that when I thought about how much more indecisive I feel as a villager and how paralyzing it can be when you’re actually worried about voting a wolf vs just throwing down a vote that looks plausible as a wolf. I’m still not really buying it as a village move since even when behind and frozen I’ve always ended with my vote on my best guess at the time, not thrown out an RNG vote, and I don’t think I’ve seen another villager do that, either.

 

[sunshinefl]

My first thought was “yeesh forgot she did that. In what world does a villager deliberately decide to throw away their one tool for survival, trying to vote out wolves, with a random vote at EOD?” Reconsidered that when I thought about how much more indecisive I feel as a villager and how paralyzing it can be when you’re actually worried about voting a wolf vs just throwing down a vote that looks plausible as a wolf. I’m still not really buying it as a village move since even when behind and frozen I’ve always ended with my vote on my best guess at the time, not thrown out an RNG vote, and I don’t think I’ve seen another villager do that, either.

I don’t have a read on mkg but given that 80% of the roster was village for yeet 1, I could buy that she really was completely uninformed at all and didn’t want to risk voting a villager. Not because of how a vote on the villager would be perceived, but because she could contribute to/cause the loss of a villager blindly.

 

[Viscernable]

Cray and Mel - really sus of them for jumping on the Bread wagon after I said I wouldnt be moving my vote, and with only 13 minutes left till closing and bread wasnt on. felt like they were trying to take advantage of my absence.

What’s the logic of wolves conspicuously voting together to take advantage of an absent villager’s vote on a counterwagon to 2 leading village wagons? If they were taking a plunge to save z why not go for genny or bob who were ahead of bread?

 

[Melchizedek]

This is really helpful, thank you. I think I understand what a reaction test is ~in theory~, but I feel like whenever somebody makes a dumb move or something, they can just claim "well I did that move ON PURPOSE because it was a ReAcTiOn TeSt!" regardless, I will be keeping an eye out for them and trying to decipher how somone uses one correctly in WW.

Not all reaction tests involve being openly sketchy and seeing who picks up on it. For example this is a great setup:

Well the wifom seems to be working to some extent if that's what's going on because there are currently no votes on Mel or Vis and I know there are a few people who would not mind putting a vote on Mel but aren't. You'd think if it was wolfy enough at least one person should have jumped on Mel's yeet by now.

If you feel like people keep mentioning person A as sketchy, but not voting there, put your own vote there and see what happens. Do those people join you? If they do, then did they do it in a way that pings your wolfdar or did they do it in a villagery way? If they don't, is it because they logically reconsidered their stance on person A, or did they not vote because they are a wolf and just wanted to throw out a fake/easy read to look like they were generating discussion.

the difference between someone doing something sketchy and then using reaction tests as a defense, and an actual test is that the person has a follow up thought process and analysis, not just touting that its a test.

 

[Viscernable]

@Viscernable you did that whole “reaction test” I didn’t get and everyone thought was weird until you explained it away, and moved from zenge to bob after, but then still moved from bob to Genny even though Bob apparently failed your reaction test? Or zenge passed? Or what?

Not testing if bob was wolfy, testing if he would move to save Z

 

[sunshinefl]

Not all reaction tests involve being openly sketchy and seeing who picks up on it. For example this is a great setup:

If you feel like people keep mentioning person A as sketchy, but not voting there, put your own vote there and see what happens. Do those people join you? If they do, then did they do it in a way that pings your wolfdar or did they do it in a villagery way? If they don't, is it because they logically reconsidered their stance on person A, or did they not vote because they are a wolf and just wanted to throw out a fake/easy read to look like they were generating discussion.

the difference between someone doing something sketchy and then using reaction tests as a defense, and an actual test is that the person has a follow up thought process and analysis, not just touting that its a test.

Well that’s problem #2 with reaction tests. That still doesn’t give you a clear answer. It just generates more **** to analyze. But it would be totally easy to each the wrong conclusion. Like on your example, they changed their mind about person A, but you decide it’s because they were a wolf. And in the meantime, people may not follow your conclusion and then you get sus. So basically, very rarely are reaction tests actually useful.

 

[Viscernable]

you literally tried to capitalize on Bread's absence and my throw away vote and voted behind me to get bread out. with only 13 minutes to close. if anything yesterday reflects poorly on you, not me.

Again, how is this capitalizing on your vote? What’s the wolfy plot to vote out Bread over two other leading villagers?

 

[sunshinefl]

Not testing if bob was wolfy, testing if he would move to save Z

So speaking of reaction test conclusions, what conclusion did you reach about bob and z with that test? I mean, after it, you voted for bob. And he was village. (You eventually moved to Genny with a minute to go). But like how can you say that was a good test if the conclusion you reached is wrong?

 

[PippyPony]

the difference between someone doing something sketchy and then using reaction tests as a defense, and an actual test is that the person has a follow up thought process and analysis, not just touting that its a test.

Option C: that person is me, and they are just really bad at it

 

[WildZoo]

Well that’s problem #2 with reaction tests. That still doesn’t give you a clear answer. It just generates more **** to analyze. But it would be totally easy to each the wrong conclusion. Like on your example, they changed their mind about person A, but you decide it’s because they were a wolf. And in the meantime, people may not follow your conclusion and then you get sus. So basically, very rarely are reaction tests actually useful.

One of those rare instances where I actually agree with sunny 😉

 

[Zenge142]

Okay, getting into the last few hours, lot of people coming out of the woodwork, and a lot of shade coming my way so probably a good idea to get an updated reads list before I potentially get misyeeted.

Unranked within their groups unless otherwise noted.
Village:
Mel- Still like my village read. Hasn’t posted very much since my last reads list so there’s not a lot to update on, but still seems to be wolf hunting when not trolling sunny for the lulz.

Pippy- Nothings changed. Still village reading her.

Sunny- Still village reading her. I get why people are wolf reading her but it’s for things that I’ve seen her do as village in other games and because she’s combative. I might not like it personally, but I think it’s mostly just been v/v interactions that distract and let the wolves kick their feet up, not contribute, and fly under the radar, but it’s all definitely been within the range of village!Sunny.

Vis- Really like her contributions and willingness to analyze situations reevaluate and give her thoughts. It’s coming across in a very pro-village way.

Cray- Still liking my village read here. Could she do the voting tie shenanigans as a wolf? Sure. Would she? I think it’s less likely. She’s reading to me like Village!Cray who doesn’t have a care in the world other than finding wolves. I’m agreeing with a lot of her thoughts too.

Dubz- Fine Dubz, you can have village green. Hasn’t done anything to ping me so far. Only reasons I haven’t village read her before are paranoia, but her posts come across as village!Dubz to me so I might as well just move her into the village block.

Neutral:
Alley: Moving her to neutral. She hadn’t posted very much at the time of my initial read, and some of my wolf read was probably reactionary. Latest posts though, while still not a lot of content, I’ve liked what I’ve seen. Not enough to outright move her village, but enough to say I could be wrong about her being a wolf.

Mayo- Not feeling like I’m getting a lot from him overall. Obviously his tunnel of me is unproductive and not pro village from my perspective, but not necessarily wolfy. Haven’t seen a ton to move him into the village block though.

MKG- Still hasn’t posted nearly enough to say anything one way or the other.

Sporty- Bottom of the Neutral, leaning Wolfy. I talk about April buddying up with her below, which could be WIFOM, but it sketched me out. There’s also this little interaction with Vis which pinged me.

How do you feel about this now?

Asking Vis how she feels about moving off of me onto Bob. Like she’s saying “Oh Vissy! Look at the error of your ways! Let’s get you back onto Zenge...” she threw some other shade on me, like she’s planning on hoping to drive my misyeet. I’ll leave her at the bottom of my neutrals, but if I had to pick someone on my neutrals list to be the last wolf in my 3-Pack, she’s pinging me.

Wolfy-
April - Didn’t like the cray vote or reasoning. Reads list overall felt a little wishy washy. Specifically, since I know people will ask, the majority of people she’s either wondering where they are or saying she doesn’t know how to read them, and at worst she’s saying “keeping an eye on”.

When I moved her from village read to neutral her response was basically threatening to wolf read me in response, which felt very wolfy.

I think you're village. I have a decent record of reading you, but if you have a problem with my read this game, maybe you've become a better wolf 🤔

She’s also seems to be buddying up with/defending Sporty, which sunny pointed out earlier. This whole thing felt weird AF.

Aside from Sporty reading Mayo village, I like the logic that she has in her catch up and makes me feel a bit better

What logic? The one where you guys agree that I’m sus? Or the one where she quoted alleys post only to say that she didn’t read it?

Bread- Still feeing wolfy. Haven’t really changed my mind. Haven’t seen anything to change my mind.

 

[SportPonies]

I don’t have a read on mkg but given that 80% of the roster was village for yeet 1, I could buy that she really was completely uninformed at all and didn’t want to risk voting a villager. Not because of how a vote on the villager would be perceived, but because she could contribute to/cause the loss of a villager blindly.

...what

 

[PippyPony]

Well the wifom seems to be working to some extent if that's what's going on because there are currently no votes on Mel or Vis and I know there are a few people who would not mind putting a vote on Mel but aren't.

idk. I was thinking about it after last night but he seems less wolfy today. Somehow. I don't have a good reason for it.

 

[PippyPony]

...what

 

[alleycat03]

Bioshock was the first game Zenge wolfed, right? I remember D1 Bioshock wolf!Zenge being extremely hedgy and apologetic which is why I wolf read him so strong so early, so I'm not sure where you got the coming on strong to control the threadstate feel. Maybe you're talking about how retaliatory he was when a couple people pushed his yeet?

Yes, that was his first wolf outing and that is basically what I was trying to refer to. Plus my perspective was a bit different from yours, since I was in his wolfpack. I thought he was being pretty obviously wolfy early on in that game, but it's not like I'm some amazing wolf either. Sometimes the adjectives I want to use don't come to my brain properly.

Another thought I had about Zenge's logic leaps: In England, where he played similarly as a villager and cray shot him because of it, it seemed like he has insider info and he literally did because of the enigma things he had to crack. So people thought he was a wolf because he did legitimately have insider info from the wolves but he was a villager. So I get similar vibes with his logic leaps in the current game, but there's not a role like that in this game.

 

[WildZoo]

Fine Dubz, you can have village green.

 

[Viscernable]

Yeah but does this really line up with his voting history?

That’s the issue. Woof reading me and voting me yesterday without much to support it. Combined with today’s post it is hedgy.

I see that argument. I’ll have to reread his posts.

 

[Zenge142]

Another thought I had about Zenge's logic leaps

Sometimes I just make logic leaps.

 

[alleycat03]

Yeesh all these 10 hour car trips when <40% of the country is vaccinated 😕

I agree with Dubz, that is kind of uncalled for. I went home to surprise my mother for Mother's Day. Everyone in my family is vaccinated, fortunately, so we are all part of that ~40%.

Ok so that last post from alley and zenge's response both read kind of weird to me. Maybe I'm just tired. The phrasing just seems...odd. Almost formal? Hmm. I'll come back to that.

Wait, was it my phrasing or Zenge's that felt weird?

I think that zenge stretches logic NAI, so I don’t necessarily agree with Alley here.

her POE is pretty good

not a slam dunk case she gives on zenge (like enough to vote with her), but enough that her vote feels justified.

Thanks I guess? And I just pointed out in my last post that the logic stretches in England were due to literal insider info that he had as a villager. So I'm not so certain that Zenge logic stretching is NAI, but that's my perspective on it.

 

[PippyPony]

@alleycat03 you can eye roll at my post about not voting someone for real-life excuses -- but after you convince me that you can link that to affiliation.

There are times when I don't vote someone because they're not around (usually if I know they have some kind of personal crisis going on or something, because I try not to be a jerk) but there is no reason why someone should get a free pass just because they are busy doing something else routine.

What if we avoided voting for everyone who said they would be driving all day just because they said that? What's to stop every wolf then from just being like "ooooh sorry I'm a busy wolf with groceries to purchase. Can y'all postpone this whole yeet thing until a more convenient time for me? (i.e. never?) kthx love u all, byeeee suckers"

 

[Viscernable]

Both of the posts he had already posted that day caused me to squint because of the logic jumps.

So why did you say “Still reading Z as more wolfy than Mayo, but some of his posts today seemed pro-village”? If your response is going to be “I meant that they SOUNDED pro-village at first glance but weren’t”, that isn’t going to work for me because the “still... but” makes it clear that reading Z as more wolfy than mayo is in spite of Z’s posts, implying they made you more him more village.

 

[WildZoo]

Okay, getting into the last few hours, lot of people coming out of the woodwork, and a lot of shade coming my way so probably a good idea to get an updated reads list before I potentially get misyeeted.

Unranked within their groups unless otherwise noted.
Village:
Mel- Still like my village read. Hasn’t posted very much since my last reads list so there’s not a lot to update on, but still seems to be wolf hunting when not trolling sunny for the lulz.

Pippy- Nothings changed. Still village reading her.

Sunny- Still village reading her. I get why people are wolf reading her but it’s for things that I’ve seen her do as village in other games and because she’s combative. I might not like it personally, but I think it’s mostly just been v/v interactions that distract and let the wolves kick their feet up, not contribute, and fly under the radar, but it’s all definitely been within the range of village!Sunny.

Vis- Really like her contributions and willingness to analyze situations reevaluate and give her thoughts. It’s coming across in a very pro-village way.

Cray- Still liking my village read here. Could she do the voting tie shenanigans as a wolf? Sure. Would she? I think it’s less likely. She’s reading to me like Village!Cray who doesn’t have a care in the world other than finding wolves. I’m agreeing with a lot of her thoughts too.

Dubz- Fine Dubz, you can have village green. Hasn’t done anything to ping me so far. Only reasons I haven’t village read her before are paranoia, but her posts come across as village!Dubz to me so I might as well just move her into the village block.

Neutral:
Alley: Moving her to neutral. She hadn’t posted very much at the time of my initial read, and some of my wolf read was probably reactionary. Latest posts though, while still not a lot of content, I’ve liked what I’ve seen. Not enough to outright move her village, but enough to say I could be wrong about her being a wolf.

Mayo- Not feeling like I’m getting a lot from him overall. Obviously his tunnel of me is unproductive and not pro village from my perspective, but not necessarily wolfy. Haven’t seen a ton to move him into the village block though.

MKG- Still hasn’t posted nearly enough to say anything one way or the other.

Sporty- Bottom of the Neutral, leaning Wolfy. I talk about April buddying up with her below, which could be WIFOM, but it sketched me out. There’s also this little interaction with Vis which pinged me.

Asking Vis how she feels about moving off of me onto Bob. Like she’s saying “Oh Vissy! Look at the error of your ways! Let’s get you back onto Zenge...” she threw some other shade on me, like she’s planning on hoping to drive my misyeet. I’ll leave her at the bottom of my neutrals, but if I had to pick someone on my neutrals list to be the last wolf in my 3-Pack, she’s pinging me.

Wolfy-
April - Didn’t like the cray vote or reasoning. Reads list overall felt a little wishy washy. Specifically, since I know people will ask, the majority of people she’s either wondering where they are or saying she doesn’t know how to read them, and at worst she’s saying “keeping an eye on”.

When I moved her from village read to neutral her response was basically threatening to wolf read me in response, which felt very wolfy.


She’s also seems to be buddying up with/defending Sporty, which sunny pointed out earlier. This whole thing felt weird AF.




Bread- Still feeing wolfy. Haven’t really changed my mind. Haven’t seen anything to change my mind.

I like most of these reads and reasonings I GUESS

 

[Zenge142]

I like most of these reads and reasonings I GUESS

 

[PippyPony]

I agree with Dubz, that is kind of uncalled for. I went home to surprise my mother for Mother's Day. Everyone in my family is vaccinated, fortunately, so we are all part of that ~40%.

Spoiler: Not game related

I wasn't going to say anything else about it but I don't know how everyone expects me (or anyone else) to know their medical history. And statistically it's less likely for people to be vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Vaccination rates are lower than 40% in certain states. I'm sorry if it was offensive, and I didn't mean to disparage people for traveling within guidelines. I just don't know who that is. That's great that you're all vaccinated and I hope you had an enjoyable trip.

From my perspective, I've had my clinical training destroyed by people playing fast and loose with this for over a year now, so it does make me sad to think people might be jumping the gun, and I have unfortunately learned from experience to assume the worst about people in a younger age bracket -- even those in a medical field.

 

[sunshinefl]

...what

How is that confusing? It’s an open setup game. All 15 players were still alive before yeet 1. 12 out of 15 are village. 12/15= 0.8=80% village

Wth would you need popcorn for that? Seems weird you’re trying to make it into something more than it is.

Thanks I guess? And I just pointed out in my last post that the logic stretches in England were due to literal insider info that he had as a villager. So I'm not so certain that Zenge logic stretching is NAI, but that's my perspective on it.

Yeah but it’s not just when he knows stuff others don’t. He himself thinks in elaborate ways that aren’t always helpful because no one else is doing that so what he thinks other people are doing isn’t accurate.

 

[Viscernable]

I can definitely back this up. Cyndia picked up on a lot of the softclaims and PR reveals in bioshock. IIRC, Z did too, and I caught some as well. Poor Cray was not picking up on most of them, and she relied on the rest of us to figure out softclaims and subtle role reveals. I caught a lot of the PRs in WoWP because I was so familiar with the wizarding storyline. It was a combination of Zenge and I that caught on to many of the role reveals. Zenge found Shorty's lover fakeclaim and I figured out Justin and Theresa, so it was both of us identifying PRs. I know I am indicting myself by pointing out that Z and I are both good at it, but it is definitely possible that he missed Bob's claim just like I did.

I dunno how to feel about this if alley flips wolf. Seems kind of like she’s trying to bring this up to indict Z, especially with her not explicitly stating the obvious implication that this doesn’t look great for Z (could be trying to plant sus but distance herself from it). But the last phrase looks like the whole thing was brought up as a subtle defence of Z.

 

[WildZoo]

Wait, was it my phrasing or Zenge's that felt weird?

Both. But I think it was a false ping. Maybe.

 

[mkg323]

What if she's a wolf and Bread is a packmate? It would only be useful info if we knew Bread is village

This would be assuming bread is village, yes?

Sure sunny could be defending bread cause their pack mates, but I really think in this situation Cray and Mel are more wolfy. Like I don’t remember them giving much of a reason for their swapped votes, and it’s not like bread was on to say anything sus.

 

[PippyPony]

How is that confusing? It’s an open setup game. All 15 players were still alive before yeet 1. 12 out of 15 are village. 12/15= 0.8=80% village

Wth would you need popcorn for that? Seems weird you’re trying to make it into something more than it is.

I too like to use math to try to cover up sketchy statements I can't edit. Looks professional!

 

[sunshinefl]

I too like to use math to try to cover up sketchy statements I can't edit. Looks professional!

MORE TWISTING

 

[WildZoo]

Sure sunny could be defending bread cause their pack mates, but I really think in this situation Cray and Mel are more wolfy. Like I don’t remember them giving much of a reason for their swapped votes, and it’s not like bread was on to say anything sus.

Mel explained later after I asked about it, should be easy to find in an iso. Cray was just...making ties and seeing what happened. I can vibe with that.

 

[sunshinefl]

I too like to use math to try to cover up sketchy statements I can't edit. Looks professional!

Literally anyone who read the game setup would know that. Zero special info required.

 

[sunshinefl]

Spoiler: Not game related

I wasn't going to say anything else about it but I don't know how everyone expects me (or anyone else) to know their medical history. And statistically it's less likely for people to be vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Vaccination rates are lower than 40% in certain states. I'm sorry if it was offensive, and I didn't mean to disparage people for traveling within guidelines. I just don't know who that is. That's great that you're all vaccinated and I hope you had an enjoyable trip.

From my perspective, I've had my clinical training destroyed by people playing fast and loose with this for over a year now, so it does make me sad to think people might be jumping the gun, and I have unfortunately learned from experience to assume the worst about people in a younger age bracket -- even those in a medical field.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

vaccinated people are safe to travel domestically

 

[Viscernable]

So speaking of reaction test conclusions, what conclusion did you reach about bob and z with that test? I mean, after it, you voted for bob. And he was village. (You eventually moved to Genny with a minute to go). But like how can you say that was a good test if the conclusion you reached is wrong?

Are you saying that they were w/w then, if I was so wrong?

 

[sunshinefl]

Are you saying that they were w/w then, if I was so wrong?

Who and who? Bob is already flipped village. And that was the person you voted for after your “test”

 

[PippyPony]

MORE TWISTING

What's your point?

People get on my case about doing the twist every game. I think perhaps my brain just works differently, because it all makes perfect sense to me.

 

[alleycat03]

So why did you say “Still reading Z as more wolfy than Mayo, but some of his posts today seemed pro-village”? If your response is going to be “I meant that they SOUNDED pro-village at first glance but weren’t”, that isn’t going to work for me because the “still... but” makes it clear that reading Z as more wolfy than mayo is in spite of Z’s posts, implying they made you more him more village.

ohhhhhh yeah I confused myself there and now I see what you're asking about. For clarity, Mayo= more village than Zenge (not based solely on their interactions, but also on the rest of his posts). Zenge trying to make jumps of logic was what pinged wolfy to me. In my head, he kind of yo-yo'd there from wolfy, little bit more pro-village later in D1, and then back to wolfy on Monday morning.

I was in and out of cell service while we were driving, and I got caught up on the thread late on Sunday once I had stable cell service but at that point, the thread was locked. I had to do some weird quoting and copy/pasting while the thread was locked and then post the quotes I gathered on Monday morning when the thread was unlocked again. So today actually referred to Sunday and some of the posts he made later in the D1 cycle. Then the singular post Zenge made on Monday before that post you're referencing gave me weird vibes. And THEN the reads list he posted on Monday morning really peeved me because he totally misconstrued what I said.

Does that make any sense at all? I'm pretty fatigued from studying so sorry if I sound insane right now.

 

[PippyPony]

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

vaccinated people are safe to travel domestically

I never said they weren't.

 

[Zenge142]

People get on my case about doing the twist every game. I think perhaps my brain just works differently, because it all makes perfect sense to me.

I feel you.

 

[Viscernable]

I don’t know how I can make it any more clear.

me want to see if w/w
me see bob would not move to genny to save z
me conclude they are not w/w

 

[Viscernable]

Does that help or would you prefer an interpretive dance?

 

[PippyPony]

Although I should clarify that I definitely did say that even vaccinated travelers are not safe from being yeeted en route 😉

 

[sunshinefl]

I don’t know how I can make it any more clear.

me want to see if w/w
me see bob would not move to genny to save z
me conclude they are not w/w

Me want to know what magic conclusion you reached about z

 

[sunshinefl]

I don’t know how I can make it any more clear.

me want to see if w/w
me see bob would not move to genny to save z
me conclude they are not w/w

Does that help or would you prefer an interpretive dance?

Also no need to be rude