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I don't have any firm info about who attacked me, or even that I was attacked. I slept like a baby all night. Just, when I woke up, my protective item seemed to have been activated.

So, wolf-hunting... who haven't we heard much from? I read back through the thread, and it looks like @hedgiehog 's only contribution thus far was to jump on a lynch allieh bandwagon midway along. I don't want to start a witch hunt on an innocent, so what's up? Why so quiet?

Anyone else with suspicious posting patterns?
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh goodie - three different colors. Sigh.

lynch SOV ... I still thought his "lynch the mayor" thing was weird.



It wasn't the *roleplaying* that caught my eye - that's fine. It was the leap to assuming that career tributes would be wolves. I'm no Hunger Games expert (I did read the books, but...... kinda quickly and wasn't impressed), but there are <plenty> of potential wolves other than career tributes. That made me wonder if you were trying to steer people into lynching career wolves once we knew who any of them were. That said, I see what you're saying... I'm satisfied. Thx.
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I'm okay with this- it looks like the wolves took out a chaos role.
 
I had considered the possibility that SnS made a go for me and then was taken out by wolves. That is the Occam's Razor scenario. I just found it hard to believe that a villager would try to off me. I am so town. Especially as a unilateral action. I just thought it more likely that wolves would want me gone.
 
I think it is very unlikely that SnS attacked ProMeth. It would be out of character for her to use an assassin ability that early in the game with that little information. Also, while I did not know her role ability, we had talked some privately and she wasn't overly suspicious of ProMeth that she mentioned to me, anyway.
 
Promethean said:
I had considered the possibility that SnS made a go for me and then was taken out by wolves. That is the Occam's Razor scenario. I just found it hard to believe that a villager would try to off me. I am so town. Especially as a unilateral action. I just thought it more likely that wolves would want me gone.
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Well, double wolf attacks are also a possibility. Just seems odd for a game of this size. There was something mentioned about and additional scuffle N1 wasn't there?
 
From N1:
dyachei said:
A scuffle is heard on a the beach as one tribute attacks another. But no one has died, much to the audience's disappointment. A knife in the sand is all the evidence that remains.
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N2:
dyachei said:
Some tributes thought they heard other sounds of a fight, but nothing else has come to light with the morning.
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So perhaps there are multiple villager assassins, if the additional fight wasn't SnS.
 
LetItSnow said:
I think it is very unlikely that SnS attacked ProMeth. It would be out of character for her to use an assassin ability that early in the game with that little information. Also, while I did not know her role ability, we had talked some privately and she wasn't overly suspicious of ProMeth that she mentioned to me, anyway.
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See... that is why I guessed wolves. If I were them, I'd want me gone.

Well, if someone tried once, I'd better make today count. I'm not sure how many uses this protective doohickey has in it, but I bet it isn't infinite.

So, wolfhunting: @touchpause13 - you been in touch with your district mate at all? Any read on hedgie?

Speaking of district mates... mine hasn't PM'ed me very much at all. A single sentence a couple days ago. What up with that @that redhead? We can only talk to each other and you don't chat with me at all?
 
I'm about to lynch ProMeth due to her insistence of people PMing and posting.

People are busy, I was on rotation from 7AM to 7PM yesterday then had to write up cases. I'm only posting now because we just got out of rounds and are waiting on the clinician.

Also, some people don't PM. I'm one of them. I know there are others. The only time I PM is if I have something important to pass on. I know others here are the same.

Also, dick move wolves, seriously.
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh goodie - three different colors. Sigh.

lynch SOV ... I still thought his "lynch the mayor" thing was weird.



It wasn't the *roleplaying* that caught my eye - that's fine. It was the leap to assuming that career tributes would be wolves. I'm no Hunger Games expert (I did read the books, but...... kinda quickly and wasn't impressed), but there are <plenty> of potential wolves other than career tributes. That made me wonder if you were trying to steer people into lynching career wolves once we knew who any of them were. That said, I see what you're saying... I'm satisfied. Thx.
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Lynch LIS

Cause that is lame logic and just seems like a way to try to weasel out of getting me lynched.

Why would a wolf care about killing a noob mayor? They wouldn't. And I am not a stupid wolf when I am a wolf. I wouldn't be sticking my head out. lis should know I wouldn't do that as a wolf.
 
WildZoo said:
From N1:

N2:


So perhaps there are multiple villager assassins, if the additional fight wasn't SnS.
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Apparently there are also items out there capable of killing (surprise, surprise, welcome to the Hunger Games). I could see as many as 3 villager losses per night, a la cornucopia bloodbath. 🙁
 
DVMDream said:
I'm about to lynch ProMeth due to her insistence of people PMing and posting.

People are busy, I was on rotation from 7AM to 7PM yesterday then had to write up cases. I'm only posting now because we just got out of rounds and are waiting on the clinician.

Also, some people don't PM. I'm one of them. I know there are others. The only time I PM is if I have something important to pass on. I know others here are the same.

Also, dick move wolves, seriously.
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I'm a dude.

I get that people are busy. We all are. I've been working 12 hour shifts each day myself, then driving almost an hour each way, and with sick family members to tend to once I am home. (Thus, the emergency laundry situation from yesterday.) I am making time to participate because I joined a social game, and I don't want to be a jerk by flaking out on it. If these folks are totally innocent and just so busy that they can't post more than once or twice since the start of the game, or communicate in any other way, then we'd be doing them a favor by lynching them and freeing up their time.

I'm calling out people who have barely posted anything or communicated at all. My district mate PM'ed once and then clammed right up when I suggested a role exchange. Also hasn't posted in the thread much. That is information that might be useful, and if I get lynched or killed tonight, it is info that I won't be able to share should it become helpful later on.

Why would you want me to be quiet and sit on that info? I'm not insisting anything. I'm asking questions and playing the game.
 
butters has a couple marks by her name for me and is in the lead with Rogert just behind. sobsob is playing all sorts of aggressive, but still within normal limits for him I think.

Think I'll go butters for now as the defense of lynch yesterday was weird and something from mayor election also seemed off.

Lynch butters
 
Promethean said:
I'm calling out people who have barely posted anything or communicated at all. My district mate PM'ed once and then clammed right up when I suggested a role exchange. Also hasn't posted in the thread much. That is information that might be useful, and if I get lynched or killed tonight, it is info that I won't be able to share should it become helpful later on.

Why would you want me to be quiet and sit on that info? I'm not insisting anything. I'm asking questions and playing the game.
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To be fair, there's not a lot of people in these games that would willy nilly trade role info. My partner has hinted to a role, but has not outright told me anything. I haven't told them anything in return. It's the nature of people's play styles. Some people (including myself) will only post on the thread when they have real information to share. Which isn't to say that quiet people can't be wolves, they can. But Quiet people may also just be quiet or cautious about sharing role info for fear of it getting back to the wolves.
 
Gwenevre said:
To be fair, there's not a lot of people in these games that would willy nilly trade role info. My partner has hinted to a role, but has not outright told me anything. I haven't told them anything in return. It's the nature of people's play styles. Some people (including myself) will only post on the thread when they have real information to share. Which isn't to say that quiet people can't be wolves, they can. But Quiet people may also just be quiet or cautious about sharing role info for fear of it getting back to the wolves.
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I get all that. I'm not saying that quiet people are definitely wolves... but I do think that silence, total silence, is suspicious. I shared some info with TRH, though I could have been BS'ing, and then there was nothing in return for a while. Probably, it is just busy-ness.... but maybe it is meaningful.

I'm just saying what little I know because I am afraid that I might not get a chance later. If wolves don't take me out, other townies might because I run my mouth so much.
 
Promethean said:
I'm a dude.

I get that people are busy. We all are. I've been working 12 hour shifts each day myself, then driving almost an hour each way, and with sick family members to tend to once I am home. (Thus, the emergency laundry situation from yesterday.) I am making time to participate because I joined a social game, and I don't want to be a jerk by flaking out on it. If these folks are totally innocent and just so busy that they can't post more than once or twice since the start of the game, or communicate in any other way, then we'd be doing them a favor by lynching them and freeing up their time.

I'm calling out people who have barely posted anything or communicated at all. My district mate PM'ed once and then clammed right up when I suggested a role exchange. Also hasn't posted in the thread much. That is information that might be useful, and if I get lynched or killed tonight, it is info that I won't be able to share should it become helpful later on.

Why would you want me to be quiet and sit on that info? I'm not insisting anything. I'm asking questions and playing the game.
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If you asked me my role, I'd ignore you and lynch you.

You're a noob. Asking for info like that is seen as wolfy.
 
DVMDream said:
If you asked me my role, I'd ignore you and lynch you.

You're a noob. Asking for info like that is seen as wolfy.
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Like what? You weren't privy to the PMs.

I am a noob in this medium. But lots of things are wolfy, like going totally quiet when cornered in PM, or threatening to lynch people who are trying to suss out who the wolves are.

This is a game of interaction, and audacity. Why would you take such offense at someone asking your role? If they were a wolf, they'd already know that you are not one of them. And if they are town, then they are looking for allies. If you are town, saying so can't harm you at all. If you are a wolf, it is a chance for you to build a facade. Like everything in the game, it can either be an opportunity or a liability, depending on how you spin it.

I don't get how it ought to be a lynching offense.
 
Promethean said:
Like what? You weren't privy to the PMs.

I am a noob in this medium. But lots of things are wolfy, like going totally quiet when cornered in PM, or threatening to lynch people who are trying to suss out who the wolves are.

This is a game of interaction, and audacity. Why would you take such offense at someone asking your role? If they were a wolf, they'd already know that you are not one of them. And if they are town, then they are looking for allies. If you are town, saying so can't harm you at all. If you are a wolf, it is a chance for you to build a facade. Like everything in the game, it can either be an opportunity or a liability, depending on how you spin it.

I don't get how it ought to be a lynching offense.
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The wolves are also trying to find important villager roles to take out early, to cripple the village.
 
Promethean said:
Like what? You weren't privy to the PMs.

I am a noob in this medium. But lots of things are wolfy, like going totally quiet when cornered in PM, or threatening to lynch people who are trying to suss out who the wolves are.

This is a game of interaction, and audacity. Why would you take such offense at someone asking your role? If they were a wolf, they'd already know that you are not one of them. And if they are town, then they are looking for allies. If you are town, saying so can't harm you at all. If you are a wolf, it is a chance for you to build a facade. Like everything in the game, it can either be an opportunity or a liability, depending on how you spin it.

I don't get how it ought to be a lynching offense.
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The problem with giving your role/ability freely in this type of game is that if a person's partner happens to be a sneaky wolf, you may have just given them important info about who to target for a kill. Especially this game, where the seems to be a whole lotta vanilla. Those with abilities need to be kept safe as to keep village advantage. This is like protecting the cop in mafia 13 player fashion.
 
Gwenevre said:
The wolves are also trying to find important villager roles to take out early, to cripple the village.
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I get that, too. But if I thought I was talking to a wolf, or that I might be, I wouldn't just go dark. I'd say something back. (Then again, I always have something to say.)

Notice that I'm not voting to lynch TRH just yet... just asking questions. Hopefully, the discussion will bring TRH back around and we can talk it out.

Also, Hedgie.

DVMDream said:
If you asked me my role, I'd ignore you and lynch you.
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Here... let me help you.

Lynch Promethean

My vote, plus the 3 wolves, plus maybe an innocent or two you might be able to convince, should be enough to do it. I doubt my item would protect against a day lynch. Don't be shy. Pile on.

Of course, if it is a successful lynch, everyone is going to have to look pretty carefully at the tributes that voted for it.

I gotta head to work. I'll check in as I can. May the odds be ever in your favor.
 
Promethean said:
I get that, too. But if I thought I was talking to a wolf, or that I might be, I wouldn't just go dark. I'd say something back. (Then again, I always have something to say.)

Notice that I'm not voting to lynch TRH just yet... just asking questions. Hopefully, the discussion will bring TRH back around and we can talk it out.

Also, Hedgie.



Here... let me help you.

Lynch Promethean

My vote, plus the 3 wolves, plus maybe an innocent or two you might be able to convince, should be enough to do it. I doubt my item would protect against a day lynch. Don't be shy. Pile on.

Of course, if it is a successful lynch, everyone is going to have to look pretty carefully at the tributes that voted for it.

I gotta head to work. I'll check in as I can. May the odds be ever in your favor.
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haha! I think you just broke rule #2 of both DocE and LIS by voting for yourself!!!!!! :sendoff:
 
Poor ProMeth is digging himself an even bigger hole. At the moment I'm willing to chalk it up to noobiness enhanced by an understanding of the basic game but lack of literacy in WW culture as it exists here. Poor noob mayor.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go with lynch LIS
Maybe SnS told him more about her role than he implied.
 
Promethean said:
I get that, too. But if I thought I was talking to a wolf, or that I might be, I wouldn't just go dark. I'd say something back. (Then again, I always have something to say.)

Notice that I'm not voting to lynch TRH just yet... just asking questions. Hopefully, the discussion will bring TRH back around and we can talk it out.

Also, Hedgie.



Here... let me help you.

Lynch Promethean

My vote, plus the 3 wolves, plus maybe an innocent or two you might be able to convince, should be enough to do it. I doubt my item would protect against a day lynch. Don't be shy. Pile on.

Of course, if it is a successful lynch, everyone is going to have to look pretty carefully at the tributes that voted for it.

I gotta head to work. I'll check in as I can. May the odds be ever in your favor.
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The second rule of WW is always vote to lynch someone that votes to lynch themself. Lynch Prometh because rules are rules.

I'd actually prefer to lynch LIS, rog, or sobsob myself, but rules are rules.
 
### lynch ProMeth ###

Some noob hazing is in order me thinks
 
StartingoverVet said:
Why would a wolf care about killing a noob mayor? They wouldn't. And I am not a stupid wolf when I am a wolf. I wouldn't be sticking my head out. lis should know I wouldn't do that as a wolf.
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I was thinking about this last night, and I know I'm guilty of doing the same thing, but these "If I were a wolf" arguments are perhaps not as helpful as we think. I realized it after making such an argument myself yesterday. It's not much of a defense, because if you were a wolf you might do exactly something that you think people wouldn't expect you to do as a wolf. You get into the "but that's what you want me to think" line of circular reasoning. It's basically WIFOM.
 
WildZoo said:
I was thinking about this last night, and I know I'm guilty of doing the same thing, but these "If I were a wolf" arguments are perhaps not as helpful as we think. I realized it after making such an argument myself yesterday. It's not much of a defense, because if you were a wolf you might do exactly something that you think people wouldn't expect you to do as a wolf. You get into the "but that's what you want me to think" line of circular reasoning. It's basically WIFOM.
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Cute. someone has been reading Doc's championship game. :bookworm:
 
lynch Prom

I really, really don't want to jump on a haze-the-noob bandwagon but I would love to see his public defense. Especially with the whole mayoral mess.

I'm also not sure if Rogert is always so trigger-happy with his lynch votes but it kind of bothers me.
 
Lupin21 said:
Cute. someone has been reading Doc's championship game. :bookworm:
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Hah. I definitely picked up the terminology from that forum, earlier than his game though. I only recently learned what it actually meant and realized how much we use it here. Especially last game, realizing that I gave MJ and DocE a pass largely because "wolves don't vouch for each other!"
 
I don't think Promethean is the droid we are looking for guys. As for everyone saying role revealing is dumb, I mostly disagree. Communication is key in these games. If we all clam up and refuse to reveal any info, it becomes a blind guessing game. Now if you are a seer, angel, villager assassin type role, you should probably shut your mouth but those with more insignificant powers or no powers at all have nothing to lose really. I'm not sayin post it all over the thread but confiding with a couple players most likely won't hurt. There are ways to communicate outside districts in this game so info can be spread through back channels if needed. If you get wolf killed at least they kill you instead of someone more important.
 
I am not going to post a defense. I tossed that gauntlet down, and that is where it will stay until people either come to their senses or else kill me just for noobiness. Audacity doesn't just retreat. I'm also still perfectly in character. This is exactly the kind of move I would make.

If y'all do haze-lynch me, then I guess I do need to spend a lot more time reading other people's games in real time to adapt to the culture here before I try to get into a game here. I get that it is srs bizness, but I'd think that would make you less likely to throw a game in the crapper just to spank a newb.

Yes, this is quite the hole that I've dug. But dat learning curve tho.
 
Lissarae06 said:
I don't think Promethean is the droid we are looking for guys. As for everyone saying role revealing is dumb, I mostly disagree. Communication is key in these games. If we all clam up and refuse to reveal any info, it becomes a blind guessing game. Now if you are a seer, angel, villager assassin type role, you should probably shut your mouth but those with more insignificant powers or no powers at all have nothing to lose really. I'm not sayin post it all over the thread but confiding with a couple players most likely won't hurt. There are ways to communicate outside districts in this game so info can be spread through back channels if needed. If you get wolf killed at least they kill you instead of someone more important.
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I didn't mean that if a person is vanilla they shouldn't just go ahead and share, I am saying there must be care taken in judging what is best said and what is not. Coming on the thread and discussing who has and hasn't responded to a PM and role revealed might be more harmful than not. There may also be an issue in just role revealing as with these characters, there may be an immediate conclusion that certain ones are more likely to have powers than others. I dunno. I don't think balance is that easy to find sometimes. It would be nice if people participated in the thread by at least stating why they think someone is wolfy or not. I think that is probably the best way to get info flowing, then more delicate matters can be handled behind the scenes by those capable of doing it.
 
Promethean said:
See... that is why I guessed wolves. If I were them, I'd want me gone.

Well, if someone tried once, I'd better make today count. I'm not sure how many uses this protective doohickey has in it, but I bet it isn't infinite.

So, wolfhunting: @touchpause13 - you been in touch with your district mate at all? Any read on hedgie?

Speaking of district mates... mine hasn't PM'ed me very much at all. A single sentence a couple days ago. What up with that @that redhead? We can only talk to each other and you don't chat with me at all?
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No I have not been in contact with anyone. Which may or may not mean anything, I'm hesitant to lynch someone just for being too quiet in my opinion that's not a good enough wolf tell.
WildZoo said:
Poor ProMeth is digging himself an even bigger hole. At the moment I'm willing to chalk it up to noobiness enhanced by an understanding of the basic game but lack of literacy in WW culture as it exists here. Poor noob mayor.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go with lynch LIS
Maybe SnS told him more about her role than he implied.
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Noob mayor is nooby. At this point I think he'll be more useful to us alive as long as he isn't stupidly throwing down too much info in thread. So yeah. Don't do that prometh.
 
Promethean said:
Lynch Promethean
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Crap. LIS's Second Rule of WW just went into effect. unlynch SOV, lynch ProMeth

WildZoo said:
Poor ProMeth is digging himself an even bigger hole. At the moment I'm willing to chalk it up to noobiness enhanced by an understanding of the basic game but lack of literacy in WW culture as it exists here. Poor noob mayor.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go with lynch LIS
Maybe SnS told him more about her role than he implied.
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Think that one through. She's the only person I can talk to. If I'm a wolf and don't know her ability, I don't kill her because I want someone to maybe vouch for me down the road. Now I have nobody. If I'm a wolf and know her ability, I don't kill her because more often than not assassins end up taking out villagers. So either way I want her alive, at least for a while. On top of it, SnS hasn't played in forever and I miss her - it's a total asshat move to take her out this early in the game and I wouldn't have done it.

As it turns out, I didn't know her ability AND I'm not a wolf. But that's kinda beside the point.
 
Scuffle could also be someone attempting to block Promethean. A lot of games seem to have at least one blocking role.

Not a huge fan of promethean right now but I don't necessarily think he's wolfy.
 
LetItSnow said:
Crap. LIS's Second Rule of WW just went into effect. unlynch SOV, lynch ProMeth



Think that one through. She's the only person I can talk to. If I'm a wolf and don't know her ability, I don't kill her because I want someone to maybe vouch for me down the road. Now I have nobody. If I'm a wolf and know her ability, I don't kill her because more often than not assassins end up taking out villagers. So either way I want her alive, at least for a while. On top of it, SnS hasn't played in forever and I miss her - it's a total asshat move to take her out this early in the game and I wouldn't have done it.

As it turns out, I didn't know her ability AND I'm not a wolf. But that's kinda beside the point.
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Or, if you're a wolf and know her ability, you kill her to get rid of the potential danger of an assassin - since you just lost one wolf already, and as you implied earlier, SnS wouldn't just use her role willy nilly so you maybe couldn't count on her killing villagers - knowing that you could make this very argument and end up looking ok.

I'm not set on lynching you, just following a particular train of thought. And avoiding a bandwagon that I think is more noob punishment than wolf hunting.
 
WildZoo said:
Or, if you're a wolf and know her ability, you kill her to get rid of the potential danger of an assassin - since you just lost one wolf already, and as you implied earlier, SnS wouldn't just use her role willy nilly so you maybe couldn't count on her killing villagers - knowing that you could make this very argument and end up looking ok.

I'm not set on lynching you, just following a particular train of thought. And avoiding a bandwagon that I think is more noob punishment than wolf hunting.
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I don't really care if you lynch me. But your reason is stupid. And, I'm kinda a tiny bit offended that you'd suggest I'd lynch SnS this early in the game when there are plenty of people who aren't playing actively or who I just plain don't know that I would definitely pick first.

This whole "I'm going to do this because I can later claim that I'd never do that as a wolf" thing is .... just taking it too far. It's the kind of circular thinking that makes it look like you're trying too hard to inject confusion.
 
WildZoo said:
Or, if you're a wolf and know her ability, you kill her to get rid of the potential danger of an assassin - since you just lost one wolf already, and as you implied earlier, SnS wouldn't just use her role willy nilly so you maybe couldn't count on her killing villagers - knowing that you could make this very argument and end up looking ok.

I'm not set on lynching you, just following a particular train of thought. And avoiding a bandwagon that I think is more noob punishment than wolf hunting.
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Adding that if you are a wolf, you're not the only wolf, so once given the info that SnS was an assassin the other wolves need not necessarily agree with you on keeping her alive, even if you wanted to
 
I should also add .... I was all set to lynch DVMD because she's busy and continuing to play the busy card, and that riles up LIS's #10329 rule of WW ("People who are busy are just as likely to be wolves as people who aren't.") ..... but I don't think she would kill SnS this early in the game either. So oddly enough, SnS dying took DVMD off my suspicion list.
 
WildZoo said:
Adding that if you are a wolf, you're not the only wolf, so once given the info that SnS was an assassin the other wolves need not necessarily agree with you on keeping her alive, even if you wanted to
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More nonsense. Do you really think that's how that conversation would go down? Other wolves: "Hey, SnS is an assassin, we should kill her." LIS: "No. I need her to vouch for me. And she's going to kill a villager anyway, probably." Other wolves: "No! We insist! We must kill her!"

Get real.
 
WildZoo said:
I was thinking about this last night, and I know I'm guilty of doing the same thing, but these "If I were a wolf" arguments are perhaps not as helpful as we think. I realized it after making such an argument myself yesterday. It's not much of a defense, because if you were a wolf you might do exactly something that you think people wouldn't expect you to do as a wolf. You get into the "but that's what you want me to think" line of circular reasoning. It's basically WIFOM.
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Yeah but you have to know people's personalities, LIS (and you) should know by now that I am too proud to play the "dumb" card. Never have. Never will. There is something I wouldn't do , even as a wolf.....but whatever. Lis tries to lunch me early every game.
 
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