I'm thinking about quitting...

[Democritus]

Thats not very friendly of you at all.

Oh come on. It wouldn't hurt you that bad. You just may not be as wealthy as you imagine.

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[MLT2MT2DO]

Is it time to merge this thread into the one that talks about how public school teacher's earning => a doctor's over the course of a lifetime?

The ignorance outside of medicine is astounding.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Thats not very friendly of you at all.

Check out my post about that very poster. It doesn't surprise me.

 

[MagicDrumSticks]

OP is not going to get anywhere in life. People who become VPs at I-Banks don't complain on internet forums about their quarter-life crysis.

Furthermore, I think OP is overestimating his abilities right now. If you have the capacity to become an Assoc then why can't you match Derm or Rads and make 400-500k a year?

OP needs to quit and come back crying when he finds out that Goldman Sachs isn't interested.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

OP is not going to get anywhere in life. People who become VPs at I-Banks don't complain on internet forums about their quarter-life crysis.

Furthermore, I think OP is overestimating his abilities right now. If you have the capacity to become an Assoc then why can't you match Derm or Rads and make 400-500k a year?

OP needs to quit and come back crying when he finds out that Goldman Sachs isn't interested.

Because he most likely isn't competitive enough. I don't know why medstudents are under the delusion that since they got a high GPA and did well on a standardized exam for the basic sciences that they can enter other highly competitive fields. Guess what? Investment bankers do not take 20k+ people every year.

 

[womp]

I don't know why medstudents are under the delusion that since they got a high GPA and did well on a standardized exam for the basic sciences that they can enter other highly competitive fields. Guess what? Investment bankers do not take 20k+ people every year.

Fail.

Neither does neurosurgery, derm or any of the competitive specialties. So false equivalence there.

But the person who can rock a 3.9, 36+ MCAT and a 240+ on Step 1 likely could also rock an 800 for the GMAT or a 170+ for the LSAT, attend a top 15 business or law school and make $130-160k starting salary immediately after graduation. That's also the truth. Whether that person could keep this up and have the right connections and opportunities to make partner or be continuously promoted in his field, that is of course not guaranteed.

Top performing medical students are not deluding themselves when they think they could enter those other high-paying professions and make $$$ right away. They are absolutely right. With their ECs, grades and test scores they would EASILY be accepted to a top law school and to a top law firm. Law schools don't even do interviews for crying out loud. The one thing these medical students are deluding themselves about is their ability to be the one who becomes partner through all the layoffs, "up-or-out" promotions, backstabbing, cronyism and just bad luck. The attrition rate for biglaw firms is incredibly high. Where one goes after 3 years of working in biglaw can't be predicted as a law student.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Fail.

Neither does neurosurgery, derm or any of the competitive specialties. So false equivalence there.

But the person who can rock a 3.9, 36+ MCAT and a 240+ on Step 1 likely could also rock an 800 for the GMAT or a 170+ for the LSAT, attend a top 15 business or law school and make $130-160k starting salary immediately after graduation. That's also the truth. Whether that person could keep this up and have the right connections and opportunities to make partner or be continuously promoted in his field, that is of course not guaranteed.

Top performing medical students are not deluding themselves when they think they could enter those other high-paying professions and make $$$ right away. They are absolutely right. With their ECs, grades and test scores they would EASILY be accepted to a top law school and to a top law firm. Law schools don't even do interviews for crying out loud. The one thing these medical students are deluding themselves about is their ability to be the one who becomes partner through all the layoffs, "up-or-out" promotions, backstabbing, cronyism and just bad luck. The attrition rate for biglaw firms is incredibly high. Where one goes after 3 years of working in biglaw can't be predicted as a law student.

High performing medical students who get into derm typically don't look to other careers and complain about theirs nor do they dream about quitting their careers. Top performing medical students make a very good salary the top 90% in many competitive fields make 700k+ .

I'm talking about all the posters who think just getting into medical school makes them eligible for all these careers. With a 26 MCAT and a 3.3 you can get into a US medical school.

 

[Metfan2987]

I personally just hate to hear about people dropping out because of the debt.

Now I go to a state school in NY, so I do pay a little less than the average medical student (I'm a 2nd year), but at the end of the day I realize it is a future investment in being able to do something that is incredible. I mean, I understand there is a loooot of BS when it comes to all the work you have dumped on you when you're on the bottom of the totem pole, and the low pay/hours you get in residency (which actually isn't as bad as it used to be if I am hearing correctly). Its inevitable in a field that has the amount of things to learn that this one does. But, at the end of the day, you're going to be "Dr. so-and-so" and be looked upon in society as a person of great importance and intelligence. You will have the opportunity to take care of human beings on a daily basis, and the title of being the person they trust with their wellbeing. And damnit....you SAVE LIVES!!

Call me an idealist, or call me a ridiculous optimist. When I think about it, any field you go into is going to have a lot of **** you have to do in order to work your way up in the industry and make a lot of money and have power. Any field will have you busting your ass for hours trying to impress people by kissing their asses and CCing them on every e-mail you send so that they know you are doing work. Its not like if you're not in medical school/residency you're NOT working hard to get paid. I don't want to "move money around" like they do in finance, or be known as effective because I'm an ******* like lawyers are. I want to be a doctor. I want to be the person in society that people look up to. That people can trust with their lives. And I'm not going to let any amount of debt stop me from achieving that.

 

[MagicDrumSticks]

Fail.

Neither does neurosurgery, derm or any of the competitive specialties. So false equivalence there.

But the person who can rock a 3.9, 36+ MCAT and a 240+ on Step 1 likely could also rock an 800 for the GMAT or a 170+ for the LSAT, attend a top 15 business or law school and make $130-160k starting salary immediately after graduation. That's also the truth. Whether that person could keep this up and have the right connections and opportunities to make partner or be continuously promoted in his field, that is of course not guaranteed.

Top performing medical students are not deluding themselves when they think they could enter those other high-paying professions and make $$$ right away. They are absolutely right. With their ECs, grades and test scores they would EASILY be accepted to a top law school and to a top law firm. Law schools don't even do interviews for crying out loud. The one thing these medical students are deluding themselves about is their ability to be the one who becomes partner through all the layoffs, "up-or-out" promotions, backstabbing, cronyism and just bad luck. The attrition rate for biglaw firms is incredibly high. Where one goes after 3 years of working in biglaw can't be predicted as a law student.

That's like saying Kobe Bryant would make a good pornstar because he has a lot of stamina.

I don't know why people like you and OP get the notion that you're some sort of all-rounded rockstar that can find success in any field just because you're good at science.

Also, the top law schools are just as expensive, if not more expensive than most medical schools. Also there is no guarantee of placement if you don't grad at the top of your class.

As for bankers, you can wear the most expensive suit you want and I'll wear my walmart tee. But when I say "I'm a doctor" in a room full of people, all the attention will go to me and not some number crunching hotshot.

 

[womp]

High performing medical students who get into derm typically don't look to other careers and complain about theirs nor do they dream about quitting their careers. Top performing medical students make a very good salary the top 90% in many competitive fields make 700k+ .

My experience is that those are the ones who complain the most.

I don't think there are many at Podunk Medical School thinking they could become a VP at Goldman Sachs. In fact you'll find that many with the low GPAs at Podunk are actually the career switchers from finance.

 

[OveractiveBrain]

I don't know why people like you and OP get the notion that you're some sort of all-rounded rockstar that can find success in any field just because you're good at science.

Duh. Cause I am.

Aren't you?

 

[Donkeykiss]

Duh. Cause I am.

Aren't you?

first year too and med students are less equipped then any other population i know to succeed in business, law/investing/whatever kind, thats why docs get railroaded by everyone else, insurance, pharm, government, nurses, lawyers

They are the most naive, insecure group ever, and completely oblivious to how pointless their neurotic grade fixation is, and how bad they come off.

I'm a non traditional, just a few years older, but they definitely, lose some normal perspective without having a real job till they are 30

alot can chill out later but they still are off

 

[OveractiveBrain]

first year too and med students are less equipped then any other population i know to succeed in business, law/investing/whatever kind, thats why docs get railroaded by everyone else, insurance, pharm, government, nurses, lawyers

They are the most naive, insecure group ever, and completely oblivious to how pointless their neurotic grade fixation is, and how bad they come off.

I'm a non traditional, just a few years older, but they definitely, lose some normal perspective without having a real job till they are 30

alot can chill out later but they still are off

That doesn't sound very well rounded to me...

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[MCAT guy]

That's like saying Kobe Bryant would make a good pornstar because he has a lot of stamina.

I don't know why people like you and OP get the notion that you're some sort of all-rounded rockstar that can find success in any field just because you're good at science.

Also, the top law schools are just as expensive, if not more expensive than most medical schools. Also there is no guarantee of placement if you don't grad at the top of your class.

As for bankers, you can wear the most expensive suit you want and I'll wear my walmart tee. But when I say "I'm a doctor" in a room full of people, all the attention will go to me and not some number crunching hotshot.

Agreed. Success in each field requires very different skills. I've been around both fields and the skill sets are vastly different. There are some who can do both, but to say that the top 10% of medical students can go dominate any field is the beginning of hubris.

Just because they work hard and are smart doesn't mean they will have the ability to do well in finance.

 

[MCAT guy]

first year too and med students are less equipped then any other population i know to succeed in business, law/investing/whatever kind, thats why docs get railroaded by everyone else, insurance, pharm, government, nurses, lawyers

They are the most naive, insecure group ever, and completely oblivious to how pointless their neurotic grade fixation is, and how bad they come off.

I'm a non traditional, just a few years older, but they definitely, lose some normal perspective without having a real job till they are 30

alot can chill out later but they still are off

Excellent point. A lot of docs I've seen don't understand how $ works or business. They are brilliant with science indeed, but business is a new game.