Ladies and Gentlemen... a Noob WW Game Thread!

[Bottle of Bear]

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Reading back through Child's Play again, night actions are described. There are near-miss assassinations described. If the attempted murder and the magical protector event happened as Dr. S says, why isn't it described in the write up today?

DocS was stunned she probably wouldn't have a complete memory, or maybe just distorted memory, of the event

 

[hygebeorht]

DocS was stunned she probably wouldn't have a complete memory, or maybe just distorted memory, of the event

Yeah but I'm not talking about her account. I'm talking about the morning write up by the mods. Night actions including near misses and saviors are routinely described by them. So I'm wondering if it actually happened...Dr. S is very clever.

 

[Karabiner13]

Just caught up. First a thought on redirection
I don't think redirection works the way it's being thought of. I believe if a kill is redirected off someone, the original target would have no idea about it. So I'm not sure what action was done to Dr.S (something that incapacitated them) but it wasn't a kill. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Lynch Tally
H&H (2) - Raf, Hyge
Hyge (4) - Doc-S, H&H, serher, Wally
BYOB (1) - Killerleaf

7/20 - Deadline at 9PM EST (~3 hours)

 

[cdo96]

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Omg, did you draw this yourself?
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Yes! I've been super bored and drawing a lot! I drew that red panda, and the original "I has a sadz" post.
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[Coopah]

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I like that you guys think I shouldn't have been killed it makes me happy 🙂

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[LyraGardenia]

No idea, but I'd like to know this too. A few things that make me suspect a redirection:

1) Two villagers were killed, which doesn't seem typical (but I'm not really sure and would also like to know about past games/wolf abilities).

2) Coopah died, and I can't figure out why. She wasn't so active that she'd be an obvious target, but she also wasn't totally inactive. She voted for jmo, but so did a lot of others. I don't see why she'd be a target.

3) Dr. S claims to have been targeted but protected. She could have been protected by a wolf redirecting the attack (or a villager for that matter, but then why would the second target be a villager?)

4) A juggler was mentioned in the writeup. Why, and why was he confused? Seems to me like he wanted to target someone but was redirected.

Basically, there are a lot of unanswered questions and the redirection theory (in my opinion) best answers them. It's definitely not the only possibility though- maybe someone will pop up with an alternate one.

This all makes sense to me. I'm definitely a bit suspicious of Dr. S since what she described wasn't part of the write-up, but I'm going to stick with my vote from yesterday.

Lynch hygebeohrt

 

[Karabiner13]

Just caught up. First a thought on redirection
I don't think redirection works the way it's being thought of. I believe if a kill is redirected off someone, the original target would have no idea about it. So I'm not sure what action was done to Dr.S (something that incapacitated them) but it wasn't a kill. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

With that way of thinking, I really don't know what to make of the coopah kill. Someone mentioned coopah thought there might be chaos. So maybe a chaos player killed coopah.

Seems like a lot of current votes are due to the redirection theory. As I don't think that's how redirection works, I don't think I'll vote for those that have currently been voted for. It's been mentioned before that there may be wolves who aren't that active. I think I'm going to look and maybe vote for someone who is not as active. Unless someone has a better idea

 

[sheltermed]

With that way of thinking, I really don't know what to make of the coopah kill. Someone mentioned coopah thought there might be chaos. So maybe a chaos player killed coopah.

Seems like a lot of current votes are due to the redirection theory. As I don't think that's how redirection works, I don't think I'll vote for those that have currently been voted for. It's been mentioned before that there may be wolves who aren't that active. I think I'm going to look and maybe vote for someone who is not as active. Unless someone has a better idea

Is a chaos killer not the same as a wolf?

 

[awesomenessity]

Hmmm ... I'm thinking out loud ... I might cast a lynch vote re: awesomenessity, killerleaf, or kittenmittens524 due to inactivity. Sorry to all of you if there is a reason for your inactivity (illness, travel, etc.). The mods have advised us to disregard real life on this WW thread. That's all.

Shout out to Dr S for noticing I was gone for all of 4 hours 😛 I feel so loved, lol.

 

[Karabiner13]

Is a chaos killer not the same as a wolf?

Correct

 

[SkiOtter]

Okay, am back, catching up now.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Hmmm... Catching up again. I don't know, my instincts still think hyge is innocent. DrS I'm still waffling on. I'm just so lost!

So I'm just going to go with my gut and even lynch votes out (though fully may waffle and change this between now and deadline)

lynch BoB

 

[Karabiner13]

Besides JMO haven't seen @Animal Midwife today

I don't think hyge is a wolf. Likely just super defensive. Been fairly active but I think it's odd lyra is going for hyge again. No real feels though. I'm probably wrong and may waffle before the end

Lynch lyra

 

[kittenmittens524]

sorry everyone! catching up now. I also don't have much to go on, but right now my gut says

Lynch hygebeorht

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Lynch hyge

Because the whole juggler this is weird, and that's the most we have to go on right now, I think...

 

[awesomenessity]

Anyone heard if jmo has been replaced or not? No one seems to have stepped up to replace them so... as a bit of a cop-out:

Lynch jmo

 

[sheltermed]

Anyone have a lynch tally going?

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Lynch Tally
H&H (2) - Raf, Hyge
Hyge (7) - Doc-S, H&H, serher, Wally, Lyra, kittenmittens, mmmdream
BYOB (2) - Killerleaf, SARDog
Lyra (1) - Karabou
jmo (1) - Nessie

13/20 - Deadline at 9PM EST (~2 hours). Check your votes.

 

[awesomenessity]

Reading back through Child's Play again, night actions are described. There are near-miss assassinations described. If the attempted murder and the magical protector event happened as Dr. S says, why isn't it described in the write up today?

This is pretty sketchy. Maybe it wasn't really an assassination attempt though? Maybe it was something completely different that doesn't warrant a write up. Hard to say to be honest.

 

[hygebeorht]

Villagers, please think about your lynch vote carefully. You may be inclined to vote for me because I am trying to play my role close to the vest now after mistakenly thinking we could be more open with each other. I do not wish to show my hand to the wolves, who have already picked off two of us, including the most open of us (rip cdoconn). The wolves voted to rid the circus of the mime's helpful abilities. I do not wish to be next. You can understand why I am keeping quiet now.

Also think of wolf strategy. They may not all want to pile on the same lynch vote so not as to vote en bloc, but the majority of wolves in a given vote will vote for villagers, not wolves. Yesterday, five people voted to lynch players that we now know - for a fact - were villagers. If you believe me when I say I am not a wolf (and I most emphatically am NOT), then 12/22 people voted for villagers.

The five people who voted for now wolf-murdered villagers are killerleaf, Dr. S, TrashPanda, hurtem&healem, and kittenmittens. The seven people who voted for me yesterday are mmmdreamerz, skitter, server, animal midwife, awesomenessity, bottle of bear, and lyragardenia. I don't think all these people are wolves. But it would be foolish to think none of them are.

Now, I know that I am absolutely not a wolf. I have strong suspicions about the wolfy nature of some of the people who voted for me and the other villagers yesterday. There seems to be a bloc of people who are still out for my head. Ask yourselves...why?

(And also ask yourselves - if I were a wolf, why would my fellow wolves have allowed me to come so close to being lynched yesterday? No one was arguing vehemently in my favor. And of the murdered villagers, no one voted for me. If I were a wolf and thought I would be in danger of being lynched again today, wouldn't I have already picked off the people who were voting for me yesterday?)

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

(And also ask yourselves - if I were a wolf, why would my fellow wolves have allowed me to come so close to being lynched yesterday? No one was arguing vehemently in my favor. And of the murdered villagers, no one voted for me. If I were a wolf and thought I would be in danger of being lynched again today, wouldn't I have already picked off the people who were voting for me yesterday?)

This is a good point. Especially since the wolves were just getting the hang of things I doubt they would have let everyone gang up so much on a fellow wolf. Today hgye hasn't seemed too sketchy in my opinion. Just because she refuses to tell us more about her role doesn't mean shes a wolf, more that she has smartened up to not being too open here about abilities (eg look at where openness got cdoconn...)

Lynch h&h

I have a bad feeling about her. She has seemed off a bit off today.

 

[kittenmittens524]

This is a good point. Especially since the wolves were just getting the hang of things I doubt they would have let everyone gang up so much on a fellow wolf. Today hgye hasn't seemed too sketchy in my opinion. Just because she refuses to tell us more about her role doesn't mean shes a wolf, more that she has smartened up to not being too open here about abilities (eg look at where openness got cdoconn...)

Lynch h&h

I have a bad feeling about her. She has seemed off a bit off today.

Why did you have a bad feeling about h&h?

 

[Animal Midwife]

(And also ask yourselves - if I were a wolf, why would my fellow wolves have allowed me to come so close to being lynched yesterday? No one was arguing vehemently in my favor. And of the murdered villagers, no one voted for me. If I were a wolf and thought I would be in danger of being lynched again today, wouldn't I have already picked off the people who were voting for me yesterday?)

Actually, wolves have thrown other wolves under the bus in previous games. It's because they worried about the lynch successfully going through and the spotlight getting put on them for defending another wolf. The same mentality would apply for you as a wolf, theoretically, saying one thing but doing another.

 

[TrashPanda]

This is a good point. Especially since the wolves were just getting the hang of things I doubt they would have let everyone gang up so much on a fellow wolf. Today hgye hasn't seemed too sketchy in my opinion. Just because she refuses to tell us more about her role doesn't mean shes a wolf, more that she has smartened up to not being too open here about abilities (eg look at where openness got cdoconn...)

Lynch h&h

I have a bad feeling about her. She has seemed off a bit off today.

I agree hyge has been less sketchy today (at least once she started defending herself) and I don't blame her for not revealing much about her role (I agree that probably got cdoconn killed). I'm not sure I buy the argument about wolves not letting everyone gang up on her if she was a wolf- people switched to jmo pretty fast, so hyge ended up not really needing a defense. I think Dr. S ended up with the most people defending her, which makes me suspicious, along with the attack on her not being in the write-up. And even my accusation of hyge being a wolf and redirecting an attack towards coopah depends on something fishy with Dr. S (i.e., most likely scenario if hyge is a wolf is that Dr. S was attacked because she's a wolf and hyge redirected to coopah/villager).

Dr. S hasn't been around much, and that, her sketchiness yesterday and cdo accusing her, and what I wrote above have me kind of leaning towards her.

What's the h&h theory? I've seen some "feelings" but no explanations.

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Lynch Tally
H&H (3) - Raf, Hyge, Snowy
Hyge (7) - Doc-S, H&H, serher, Wally, Lyra, kittenmittens, mmmdream
BYOB (2) - Killerleaf, SARDog
Lyra (1) - Karabou
jmo (1) - Nessie

14/20 - Deadline at 9PM EST (~2 hours). Check your votes.

 

[hygebeorht]

people switched to jmo pretty fast, so hyge ended up not really needing a defense.

I appreciate that you're looking at the situation critically. People did vote for jmo yesterday, but one single change of vote from jmo to me would have had me lynched instead. We were very VERY much neck and neck. In fact, my vote is the only thing that saved my neck. You'll notice that I switched to jmo yesterday in the eleventh hour. Not because I think she is a wolf, but because otherwise I would've been lynched. It was solely a vote of self-preservation.

 

[raf2769]

my vote for h&h is for a few things, none of which are extremely incriminating, but enough that I feel comfortable with my vote.
1. voted for conn yesterday, who is now a known villager
2. hasn't been extremely active, yet active enough to not be "inactive." I said earlier I was going to look at people that fit this description because that's how I feel the wolves will be acting.
3. h&h hasn't added much in the way of game solving, except for being very suspicious of DrS today, and then ultimately not even voting to lynch her.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Hmmm.. I don't have a lot to go on, but h&h was the first person to cast a vote and it was for cdoconn who is now dead. She seemed eager to throw hyge and Dr S under the bus again today. I know they are sketchy to many people right now, but I feel like if they have abilities they have tried to show, whatever they are they are not wolves who would likely try and keep their abilities a secret and wouldn't say anything that sounds like they could have an ability.

h&h isn't super quiet, but she hasn't said a whole lot and I'm starting to suspect there are one or more wolves who are pretty quiet. But as a wolf you would have to comment enough so people don't get suspicious and enough to get them to lynch villagers, so a quiet wolf would talk more than a quiet villager.

 

[hygebeorht]

In case anyone is wondering:

Of the people who voted for the now-slain villagers yesterday, 3/5 are now voting for me.

 

[raf2769]

1+2+3=feels from raf

 

[raf2769]

hey @SnowshoeDog143 are we the same person?!!? 😱

 

[SkiOtter]

OKAY. So I have caught up. While I'm still somewhat unsure of both DrS and Hyge, I am now becoming somewhat suspicious of killerleaf too... She hasn't posted much throughout the game, but the things she HAS posted haven't been ANYTHING strategic.
I'll quote the things in a minute, but I currently have other quotes in my thing that I'm going to get to after this post, and then I'll round up all of the things killerleaf has said thus far in the game.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

hey @SnowshoeDog143 are we the same person?!!? 😱

Hahaha just going to say that...

 

[SkiOtter]

This is an even crazier thought, but possibly Dr. S's role (if she's a villager) included a one-time kill, so she killed cdoconn because they were constantly bickering...?

I feel like she wouldn't have wasted that ability this early in the game

Some thoughts as I get caught up...

We were suspicious of hyge as being a juggler yesterday and then a juggler ends up as part of the story line today...possibly as the one that tried to off Dr. S?

Dr. S's new story seems convincing but so many of the things she's said this far have made me sway back and forth about what I think about her. Wolf or villager? I honestly cannot say at this point...

I definitely am concerned about hyge because of the fact that a juggler was mentioned in the writeup and I am pretty convinced that she must be one (though there are a few other potential possibilities, but I think they're less likely)

No worries! To be fair, I did accuse you of being a sort-of murderer.

Btw, I checked and jmo is the one who didn't cast a vote yesterday. I assume that has to do with her family issues. However, I'm still suspicious because the mods ignored the lynch vote to kill LIS (which could have been predetermined) and there was talk of replacing jmo even when it looked like she'd be lynched. I feel like she's probably either a villager with an important ability or she's a wolf. Or maybe she had some lynch-dodging ability or the mods just thought it was funny to kill LIS of old age.



Cdo did suspect BoB, but she waffled and voted for jmo, and then at night before being killed, said she still suspected Dr. S. I think Cdo suspected BoB for defending Dr. S. I'm really not sure about why Cdo didn't vote to lynch Dr. S after suspecting her so much.

Cdo only voted for jmo because she didn't want a non-noob to replace jmo, which is reasonable. I would think (which I mentioned yesterday) that if a person is worth replacing, that they are either a wolf or have some sort of ability that shouldn't just be tossed out of the game.

 

[deleted806434]

I don't think that anymore. That was me brainstorming pretty early in the day

 

[hygebeorht]

Hyge (7):

• Doc-S (voted cdoconn yesterday, has weird unsubstantiated story today, won't defend cdoconn vote from yesterday)
• H&H (voted cdoconn yesterday)
• serher (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)
• Wally (probably a villager IMO)
• Lyra (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)
• kitten mittens (voted LIS yesterday)
• mmmdream (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)

 

[raf2769]

I pretty vividly remember Trilt saying in a previous game that she is 100% definitely going to replace every player that needs it in a game whether they are wolf or vanillager. Thinking that jmo's role must be important because she's looking for a sub is not going to get you anywhere.

 

[SkiOtter]

Okay, so here's every post by killerleaf on this thread. Not much of anything useful or relative to the game.

There is not a real excuse for my absence other than just trying to get into the hang of doing this. Have never ever never played; only lurked; and totally forgot to check and post last night. duh.

and lynch LeTitsNow because they really aren't a noob; and are probably chaos.

jugglers do have those heavy clubs they toss around like they are nothing at all....and they could bash a skull in pretty easily!

(after it was mentioned that hyge couldve been a juggler and we were brainstorming what she couldve killed the ringmaster with, assuming she was the one to do it. Basically the only thing that contributed to the game.

ok, so doing this in the correct format:
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lynch LeTitsNow
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because they really are not a noob and may be leading us astray...and is a perfect choice as chaos. we are going to generate enough on our own, we don't need deliberate chaos

could Doc S be a fortune teller, or psychic?

hmmm...pickpocket. that is an intriguing thought

after it was suggested that hyge could be a pickpocket with her dexterity

I promise I will get the format right sooner or later. can it count anyway, or do I need to redo my lynch vote again??

thank you o wonderful one

re: lynch vote counting

Aren't some owls pretty freaking big???

when we discussed that DrS could be an owl but unsure of how she couldve killed the ringmaster (insert monty python 5 ounce swallow carrying a 1 pound coconut)

o great. creepy clowns. they are terrifying!!

clown potentially paralyzing DrS (if this happened, no consensus)

is there such an ability to redirect kills??

I would venture to say that most people have been rather quiet today. maybe a little too much last night??

at this point, I think feels may be the only thing we have to go on.

###Lynch bottle of bear###

soo..you don't think it is suspicious that cdconn died after voting for Bob? and also Letitsnow was suspicious of Bob too...and where is he now??

Cdo didn't vote for BoB, if I remember correctly? Was suspicious of BoB, but never actually voted for him. LIS died because he was the oldest man alive role, which I suggested was given to him because he insisted on playing as a noob and the mods were like whatever we'll just kill him D1 so that all of the noobs can have at least 1 day and 1 night cycle to figure things out.

 

[SkiOtter]

I pretty vividly remember Trilt saying in a previous game that she is 100% definitely going to replace every player that needs it in a game whether they are wolf or vanillager. Thinking that jmo's role must be important because she's looking for a sub is not going to get you anywhere.

I was just saying it's a possibility, since you'd most likely have to replace jmo with another non-noob since i think everyone who was on the waitlist eventually got moved on? (not 100% about that though)

 

[hygebeorht]

Cdo voted for jmo. So did Coopah. Let it snow voted for BoB.

 

[raf2769]

no I know, but that idea has been brought up by quite a few people throughout the day. I just wanted everyone to be aware.

 

[SARdoghandler]

my vote for h&h is for a few things, none of which are extremely incriminating, but enough that I feel comfortable with my vote.
1. voted for conn yesterday, who is now a known villager
2. hasn't been extremely active, yet active enough to not be "inactive." I said earlier I was going to look at people that fit this description because that's how I feel the wolves will be acting.
3. h&h hasn't added much in the way of game solving, except for being very suspicious of DrS today, and then ultimately not even voting to lynch her.

Hmmm.. I don't have a lot to go on, but h&h was the first person to cast a vote and it was for cdoconn who is now dead. She seemed eager to throw hyge and Dr S under the bus again today. I know they are sketchy to many people right now, but I feel like if they have abilities they have tried to show, whatever they are they are not wolves who would likely try and keep their abilities a secret and wouldn't say anything that sounds like they could have an ability.

h&h isn't super quiet, but she hasn't said a whole lot and I'm starting to suspect there are one or more wolves who are pretty quiet. But as a wolf you would have to comment enough so people don't get suspicious and enough to get them to lynch villagers, so a quiet wolf would talk more than a quiet villager.

I agree with both of these arguments, and my gut is also feeling funny about H&H. Perhaps more so than BoB

So, I'm going to waffle and say

unlynch BoB
lynch H&H

 

[hurtem&healem]

everything I have posted has been trying to deduce who the killer is. Also, *he* not she. That might explain some of the shorter, to the point posts 😉

As for the cdo vote... The arena was calling for a lynch, I jumped the gun on her. She wasn't anywhere near the lead at the end of the day so I didn't bother waffling.

Hyge's last post made me more confident in my vote. She called out literally half the roster of the game because we voted to lynch either people who turned out to be villagers, or herself. That is a very wide net to cast doubt upon.

 

[raf2769]

my bad with the gender confusion! I'm still comfortable with my vote though, nothing personal.

 

[TrashPanda]

Hmmm.. I don't have a lot to go on, but h&h was the first person to cast a vote and it was for cdoconn who is now dead. She seemed eager to throw hyge and Dr S under the bus again today. I know they are sketchy to many people right now, but I feel like if they have abilities they have tried to show, whatever they are they are not wolves who would likely try and keep their abilities a secret and wouldn't say anything that sounds like they could have an ability.

h&h isn't super quiet, but she hasn't said a whole lot and I'm starting to suspect there are one or more wolves who are pretty quiet. But as a wolf you would have to comment enough so people don't get suspicious and enough to get them to lynch villagers, so a quiet wolf would talk more than a quiet villager.

Hmm. That's not enough for me to vote to lynch- at least just yet. But it is a good point and I have seen h&h throw out some accusations pretty quickly without explanation.

I'm starting to get really suspicious of the quiet people. Just avoiding the thread won't work forever, but it doesn't seem like a bad strategy at the beginning when it might be easy to avoid notice.

OKAY. So I have caught up. While I'm still somewhat unsure of both DrS and Hyge, I am now becoming somewhat suspicious of killerleaf too... She hasn't posted much throughout the game, but the things she HAS posted haven't been ANYTHING strategic.
I'll quote the things in a minute, but I currently have other quotes in my thing that I'm going to get to after this post, and then I'll round up all of the things killerleaf has said thus far in the game.

Huh. I just checked, and you're right. Killerleaf has been quiet but lynched based on a feeling (no explanation and hasn't stuck around for discussion) and implied that LIS was killed by wolves (he wasn't). Fishy.

I appreciate that you're looking at the situation critically. People did vote for jmo yesterday, but one single change of vote from jmo to me would have had me lynched instead. We were very VERY much neck and neck. In fact, my vote is the only thing that saved my neck. You'll notice that I switched to jmo yesterday in the eleventh hour. Not because I think she is a wolf, but because otherwise I would've been lynched. It was solely a vote of self-preservation.

Hyge (7):

• Doc-S (voted cdoconn yesterday, has weird unsubstantiated story today, won't defend cdoconn vote from yesterday)
• H&H (voted cdoconn yesterday)
• serher (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)
• Wally (probably a villager IMO)
• Lyra (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)
• kitten mittens (voted LIS yesterday)
• mmmdream (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)

I still don't know what to make of the juggler thing, and I do think you have an ability you're keeping secret (quite possibly for an innocent reason), but I'm not voting to lynch you. I think you're probably innocent and you might be on to something about wolf voting patterns. I'm suspicious that mmmdreamerz defended doctor-S so much yesterday and is now going after you. I think both h&h and killerleaf have some suspicious posts, but I need some theory for how they're involved. I still don't know what to make of doctor-S's behavior yesterday, her story that wasn't in the write-up, cdoconn's suspicion of her after PMing, and her disappearance today after voting for you.

****Lynch Doctor-S****

 

[hygebeorht]

Here's my current spreadsheet, draw your own conclusions (I'm focusing on votes for me at the moment for clarity):

 

[SkiOtter]

Very Unofficial Lynch Tally
H&H (4) - Raf, Hyge, Snowy, SARDog
Hyge (7) - Doc-S, H&H, serher, Wally, Lyra, kittenmittens, mmmdream
BYOB (1) - Killerleaf
Lyra (1) - Karabou
jmo (1) - Nessie
Dr. S (1) - TrashPanda

15/20 - Deadline at 9PM EST (~1 hour).

Ps @TrashPanda I tried to shorten your name so I left out the Panda part but then was like "Trash. oh no no no."

 

[LyraGardenia]

Hyge (7):

• Doc-S (voted cdoconn yesterday, has weird unsubstantiated story today, won't defend cdoconn vote from yesterday)
• H&H (voted cdoconn yesterday)
• serher (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)
• Wally (probably a villager IMO)
• Lyra (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)
• kitten mittens (voted LIS yesterday)
• mmmdream (still on the hyge lynch train today...why?)

What makes you think Wally's probably a villager? I don't necessarily disagree, just curious.

 

[hygebeorht]

What makes you think Wally's probably a villager? I don't necessarily disagree, just curious.

What makes you think I am a wolf?