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serher said:
I think who you are referring to is kitten. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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No, I think you're right. Sorry kitten. I know you aren't a threat, either, so don't worry. Apparently that comment stuck with me.

I'm really not sold on staying with H&H. It seems like the agreeable path of least resistance to take and we will probably pay for it.

Unlynch H&H
 
SARdoghandler said:
I'm sorry, I might be slow today. I didn't quite understand what you're trying to say?
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People bandwagoned on the HH vote really quickly. It happened to both hyge and BoB, but there was a strong reason for both of them.

I just want to clarify that I wanted to vote to lynch HH as well. We might be right. But the fact that so many people agreed with a mere speculation of mine and voted HH so quickly concerns me. And not one wolf has argued it (unless HH is a wolf).
 
All I'm asking is lets get a little more discussion going, and if closer to lynch every single one of you wants to still vote HH, then that's fine. I will join and trust you guys.
 
I have been in and out during this whole thing. I will contribute to said debate in a little while. Please consider everybody.
 
Officialish Lynch Tally
H&H (6) - Snowy, Lyra, Karabou, kmittens, SARDog, T-Painda
Snowy (1) - Serher

7/14 accounted for - Deadline at 9PM EST; 2.5hrs remaining.
 
hurtem&healem said:
Why don't we look at people who actually haven't contributed much. @kittenmittens524 just cast a vote against me with no reasoning at all. Notice that she was also a target of Raf, and has been suspect multiple times.
@Karabiner13 just piled on with nothing more than a "yeah, he's suspect because BoB." What can he offer in his defense?
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serher said:
People bandwagoned on the HH vote really quickly. It happened to both hyge and BoB, but there was a strong reason for both of them.

I just want to clarify that I wanted to vote to lynch HH as well. We might be right. But the fact that so many people agreed with a mere speculation of mine and voted HH so quickly concerns me. And not one wolf has argued it (unless HH is a wolf).
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you're right h/h my reasoning is poor but I agree with the points that have been made. You did address them well but I'm still not fully convinced. You seemed happier to attack those voting for you than to bring someone else up for consideration or tell us how you have contributed. However, serher makes a good point that this seems too easy like the wolves are leading us to this. For now I will

unlynch h/h
 
Okay for H&h arguments:

I first voted for him due to similar reasons Raf and Tpainda mentioned before but here are my thoughts on everything now.

1. I agree we lynched BYOB very quickly so we can't blame him for having one of the last switch votes because he probably wasn't on the chat at that time

2. The fact that he claims to start the hyge vote doesn't mean he's not a wolf. A wolf would have also wanted a chaos gone.

3. He defended DrS when we decided she was most likely a neutral. So pretty much wouldn't matter to a wolf.

4. His posts were short and not good game solving at first but now are good and I wouldn't say he has any less helpfulness then anyone else. The beginning posts could have been trying to be careful not to come across too wolfy so people wouldn't just lynch you because we didn't have much to go on. I know I did that and I bet it now looks suspicious.

5. Sure he voted conn in the beginning. We all were just guessing at that point. Can't blame him.

6. Him going after only villagers? I feel like no matter who I pick I'm always a bit worried they are a villager. We all have different knowledge about who we can trust and so I bet most of us have unknowingly voted for mainly villagers to be lynched.
 
LyraGardenia said:
I agree it's odd that no one but h&h seems to be defending him. I'd be interested to hear from @Karabiner13 and @SnowshoeDog143.
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And that was my last point I forgot. Most people have insight into someone they trust as a villagers (from abilities or items) but no one is defending him. So it makes me suspicious and I think considering everything he is so far my best wolf guess
 
Okay, I honestly haven't look through the posts from today because I just got home from work, but my big thought is this: wouldn't BoB be the most likely place to go when trying to decide who is/isn't a wolf? Maybe he was really good at trying to mix it up and lynch villagers and wolfs equally, but I feel like a wolf would at least put some effort into defending other wolfs?
 
Looking over and over the posts for leads. I started looking into Snowshoe because she was the first to lynch me, but then after enough other people had jumped on the bandwagon, she encouraged people to reconsider. This is, from what I have read, a very common wolf move. It essentially hedges their bet, so later on, when it comes out that I'm actually a villager, she can say "yeah, I was first, but then I said to stop." SAR had a strong line of questions going on her, to which her answer was immediate deflection and starting this lynch train on me.

lynch SnowshoeDog
 
hurtem&healem said:
Looking over and over the posts for leads. I started looking into Snowshoe because she was the first to lynch me, but then after enough other people had jumped on the bandwagon, she encouraged people to reconsider. This is, from what I have read, a very common wolf move. It essentially hedges their bet, so later on, when it comes out that I'm actually a villager, she can say "yeah, I was first, but then I said to stop." SAR had a strong line of questions going on her, to which her answer was immediate deflection and starting this lynch train on me.

lynch SnowshoeDog
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So are you saying you are suspicious of both snowshoe and SAR?
 
mmmdreamerz said:
Okay, I honestly haven't look through the posts from today because I just got home from work, but my big thought is this: wouldn't BoB be the most likely place to go when trying to decide who is/isn't a wolf? Maybe he was really good at trying to mix it up and lynch villagers and wolfs equally, but I feel like a wolf would at least put some effort into defending other wolfs?
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That's what Serher was saying and I agree. I think it's odd that other wolves wouldn't defend one of their own especially after losing one yesterday. POSSIBLY H&H would be the only one left, but I don't think so.
 
No. I voted SAR last night simply because I wanted to hear him talk, kinda like some of you are doing to me tonight. His questions of Snowshoe and her deflection make me question Snowshoe.
 
LyraGardenia said:
I agree it's odd that no one but h&h seems to be defending him. I'd be interested to hear from @Karabiner13 and @SnowshoeDog143.
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What do you want to hear from me? I think I've had good insights and I know I've been suspicious about a few people based mainly on feelings but I try to back everything off of some fact. I am willing to listen to other people's insights about anyone and I know I'm a waffler but I would argue that's because I'm willing to listen to people's defenses and pick the beat choice (ie I'm not trying to protect anyone like a wolf might protect a fellow wolf). If anything I've posted sounds fishy feel free to post it and I'll tell you my reason.
 
LyraGardenia said:
I agree it's odd that no one but h&h seems to be defending him. I'd be interested to hear from @Karabiner13 and @SnowshoeDog143.
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Here are my thoughts
Despite my original vote last night for SAR, I now believe she is a villager and quite possibly did a lot for us.

I tend to vote for someone to get conversation started because before today that was how conversation would get started. I try to stick around to hear the conversation and make a better decision. Unfortunately the last couple days we've had late conversations which has led me to scramble onto someone else.

In addition to h/h I'm also cautious of shelter (LIS rule of absence) and slightly of killer (she may have given us BoB because we knew she was a seer before and had voted for BoB she died but this may be a stretch)

I've carefully looked through the write-ups each day and stated what I've noticed which has led us to catch on to some clues because it sounds like a lot of people skim to just see who died. I also relay information from my mentor if it looks like we aren't thinking about game mechanics correctly
 
And sorry h&h I was going to lynch you earlier because no one was starting the lynching but then I felt I had to defend myself first for SAR so those weren't really related. I just type everything during my downtimes at work so they go altogether.
 
SkiOtter said:
That's what Serher was saying and I agree. I think it's odd that other wolves wouldn't defend one of their own especially after losing one yesterday. POSSIBLY H&H would be the only one left, but I don't think so.
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I can honestly guarantee, for a fact, there are still multiple wolves out there. That's all I can say about it for now.
 
Karabiner13 said:
In addition to h/h I'm also cautious of shelter (LIS rule of absence) and slightly of killer (she may have given us BoB because we knew she was a seer before and had voted for BoB she died but this may be a stretch)
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I am also a bit skeptical of killerleaf. Yeah she was a seer in her previous life and says she's just a villager now, she COULD have come back as a wolf and outed BoB to gain our trust. Now, I'm not entirely sure if this happened, because she was on some pain killers from surgery (though I don't know how strong, but I assume some decent ones) and it may have just been too much as a drugged up person to help orchestrate/carry that out, but it could still be possible especially if they just had her copy paste something.
Now, she could TOTALLY still be a villager, I just am not positive.
 
everyone is making good points. h&h has seemed a little suspicious but has defended decently. so has karabiner. snowy has also spoken. this just makes it harder to figure out the right thing to do!
 
mmmdreamerz said:
What specifically made you change your mind about this?
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going back through and reading her defense, DrS not saying why they had originally picked SAR out, and some other comments made by people. I don't want to say my suspicion because it's not my place to reveal. We were a little quick to speculate DrS was a seer and that probably made DrS a target and I don't want that to happen to SAR
 
Has @killerleaf been around at all today? I'd never thought of her "outing" a wolf to gain our trust but that's actually a pretty wolf-y sounding thing to do. But how terrible would be feel if pursued her and she was a villager and helped us?

Ugh. Undecided. Can't something magical like last night happen again today??
 
Karabiner13 said:
going back through and reading her defense, DrS not saying why they had originally picked SAR out, and some other comments made by people. I don't want to say my suspicion because it's not my place to reveal. We were a little quick to speculate DrS was a seer and that probably made DrS a target and I don't want that to happen to SAR
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Fair enough.
 
I have been at work. which was not fun.
 
There's about three or four posts where BoB tried to defend kittens when some were wanting to lynch her? Any thoughts guys?
 
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mmmdreamerz said:
There's about three or four posts where BoB tried to defend kittens when some were wanting to lynch her? Any thoughts guys?
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Well the fact that kittens role revealed pretty much cleared her from my suspect list. Otherwise, yes, that's what I would be looking at.
 
wallydo said:
Well the fact that kittens role revealed pretty much cleared her from my suspect list. Otherwise, yes, that's what I would be looking at.
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Do you find it interesting that she wasn't killed off by wolves after doing so? I agree she was pretty specific about her role to have lied or anything, though
 
mmmdreamerz said:
There's about three or four posts where BoB tried to defend kittens when some were wanting to lynch her? Any thoughts guys?
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She said that she was our item maker, which I believe, and it was brought up that she might not have been killed because she doesn't really know who the wolves are so there's a potential that she'd give them an item.
 
SkiOtter said:
She said that she was our item maker, which I believe, and it was brought up that she might not have been killed because she doesn't really know who the wolves are so there's a potential that she'd give them an item.
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I think SAR and kittens were the two I noticed him defending when I went back and looked. Whatever that means.
 
SkiOtter said:
That's what Serher was saying and I agree. I think it's odd that other wolves wouldn't defend one of their own especially after losing one yesterday. POSSIBLY H&H would be the only one left, but I don't think so.
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Hypothetically though, what if H&H and serher were our two remaining wolves? I'm not thinking along this route at all right now, but it might explain why they seem to be defending H&H but also say that if that's where the majority goes, they would be okay with lynching H&H.


hurtem&healem said:
No. I voted SAR last night simply because I wanted to hear him talk, kinda like some of you are doing to me tonight. His questions of Snowshoe and her deflection make me question Snowshoe.
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*her. But honestly, I don't really care so you can call me whatever you'd like. Just don't call me late for dinner 😉
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I think SAR and kittens were the two I noticed him defending when I went back and looked. Whatever that means.
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Could be a smart wolf move to try and incriminate villagers in case we lynched him (as we did). I mean, yes we are all noobs but I think that is a strategy that could easily be believed they may have employed.
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I think SAR and kittens were the two I noticed him defending when I went back and looked. Whatever that means.
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And I feel like when SAR was forced to defend themselves, their reasoning was logical to me. So BoB defended two people who I *think* are villagers, which probably isn't the case and makes me feel like I can't trust my own intuition anymore. I do think wolves probably hoped/thought kittens would give them an item since I think the wolves know pretty damn well we are struggling with ID'ing them.
 
wallydo said:
And I feel like when SAR was forced to defend themselves, their reasoning was logical to me. So BoB defended two people who I *think* are villagers, which probably isn't the case and makes me feel like I can't trust my own intuition anymore. I do think wolves probably hoped/thought kittens would give them an item since I think the wolves know pretty damn well we are struggling with ID'ing them.
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I'm inclined to believe kittens, mostly because BoB made some comment like "I told you guys she was innocent." Which, he would know because he was a wolf. I don't know what to think. I feel like BoB would not have just defended villagers, as well
 
SARdoghandler said:
Hypothetically though, what if H&H and serher were our two remaining wolves? I'm not thinking along this route at all right now, but it might explain why they seem to be defending H&H but also say that if that's where the majority goes, they would be okay with lynching H&H.




*her. But honestly, I don't really care so you can call me whatever you'd like. Just don't call me late for dinner 😉
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I almost included a caveat at the bottom apologizing for any pronoun errors. I really should just assume everyone I the vet forums is female.
 
SARdoghandler said:
Hypothetically though, what if H&H and serher were our two remaining wolves? I'm not thinking along this route at all right now, but it might explain why they seem to be defending H&H but also say that if that's where the majority goes, they would be okay with lynching H&H.




*her. But honestly, I don't really care so you can call me whatever you'd like. Just don't call me late for dinner 😉
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Then I would say serher is a damn good wolf.
 
I feel really quite bad mentioning it because of her dog and all but is anyone else a little suspicious of sheltermed? She is pretty quiet around here...
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I feel really quite bad mentioning it because of her dog and all but is anyone else a little suspicious of sheltermed? She is pretty quiet around here...
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I have, and I also feel bad. If I were going through what she was, I would not have the heart/energy to do much else outside of making it through the day. If she ends up being a wolf, I think we can all expect an LIS "told you so".
 
wallydo said:
I have, and I also feel bad. If I were going through what she was, I would not have the heart/energy to do much else outside of making it through the day. If she ends up being a wolf, I think we can all expect an LIS "told you so".
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Yeah especially because I was going back through BoB posts again and he defends her...I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK...and i feel bad bringing her up because I'd totally be a wreck
 
mmmdreamerz said:
Yeah especially because I was going back through BoB posts again and he defends her...I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK...and i feel bad bringing her up because I'd totally be a wreck
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I feel this on a deep level. If I were in her shoes I wouldn't even have been able to participate in something like this. Her strength is admirable
 
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