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SARdoghandler said:
I'm mentally adding this to my list of reasons why H&H might be sketchy
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He voted for cdoconn just before she died, then hyge, doctor-S, and then you (before switching to BoB at the last second).

He's seemed less sketchy to me in the past few days because his posts have been more thought-out, but that might be because we pointed out it was suspicious that his posts were short and didn't add much to strategizing. Overall, his posts have mostly followed the BoB trend of fairly high in number, but short with no new info or theory...
 
LyraGardenia said:
I voted to lynch BoB pretty early on day 3 (when Animal Midwife ended up getting lynched), I feel like that would be a pretty stupid move if I were a wolf. I was also one of the first to go after hyge (voted for her day 1).
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not saying you're a wolf but that would actually be a smart move on a wolf's part. Make them look more like a villager especially if the wolf weren't in danger of being lynched. Then when we finally caught the wolf they voted for they would look good to the village
 
LetItSnow said:
Don't buy it.

I mean, I'm sure the dog thing is true (and sucks), but Rule:

Having **** going on in real life does not mean someone is a villager.

Look back a handful of games to where kaydubs (?) was sick (?) and/or had some other real issues going on and nobody would touch her because of it. She skated by as a wolf a long time on the sympathy vote.

WW does not allow for real life. There is only wolf and villager in WW. It has a zen aspect to it.

Real life is for the Rant thread.

Show no mercy.
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SARdoghandler said:
So, after re-going over much of the past few days, here is where I am at.

I'm feeling pretty okay about Panda, Wally, and skiotter. All seem genuine in posts and I haven't picked up on any sketchy behaviour.

I'm feeling somewhat sketchy about mmmdreamerz (though that one is just a gut feeling from D1, I have no back up info), snowshoedog (lots of D2 posts about what wolves might or might not do that made me go hmmm in retrospect), sheltermed (LIS cast some suspicions D1, and LIS was right about BoB), and H&H (raf voted for them D2 and D3 and was killed N3).

None of these are any kind of conclusive (nor anything personal!) but just some thoughts to try and get some discussion going. Any names not mentioned I have no particular feelings one way or another

Also, a correction to my last post. It was actually early in D2 that I voted for BoB.
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You're right. We forgot the lesson LIS told us about real life issues and people skating by because of it and having the potential to turn out to be wolves
 
SARdoghandler said:
So, after re-going over much of the past few days, here is where I am at.

I'm feeling pretty okay about Panda, Wally, and skiotter. All seem genuine in posts and I haven't picked up on any sketchy behaviour.

I'm feeling somewhat sketchy about mmmdreamerz (though that one is just a gut feeling from D1, I have no back up info), snowshoedog (lots of D2 posts about what wolves might or might not do that made me go hmmm in retrospect), sheltermed (LIS cast some suspicions D1, and LIS was right about BoB), and H&H (raf voted for them D2 and D3 and was killed N3).

None of these are any kind of conclusive (nor anything personal!) but just some thoughts to try and get some discussion going. Any names not mentioned I have no particular feelings one way or another

Also, a correction to my last post. It was actually early in D2 that I voted for BoB.
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I have only talked a lot about wolves because I'm trying to understand how they are strategizing and am just thinking out loud. I was also suspicious of BYOB and voted to lynch her from close to the beginning, but I suppose that wolves have voted against each other to get people off their tail too...

I think Panda is village. She has good posts and is consistent. Even if she has only voted for villager, I think there are multiple people who have done that because we are noobs.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
I'm starting to suspect there are one or more wolves who are pretty quiet. But as a wolf you would have to comment enough so people don't get suspicious and enough to get them to lynch villagers, so a quiet wolf would talk more than a quiet villager.
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SnowshoeDog143 said:
I'm sorry, but I think you would probably be doomed tonight by the wolves if you don't die now that you gave your role away.
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SnowshoeDog143 said:
No Raf! You were such a good villager! And gave good insight which is probably why she was targeted.
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These are some of your posts that make me wonder, Snowshoe (underlines are my emphasis put in the quotes). Again, not necessarily accusing you as thinking out loud might explain it.

You weren't what I would call 'suspicious of BoB and lynching from close to the beginning'. You only lynched them once on D3, but only said your reasons were because you agreed with other people - and quickly changed your vote. You were also second last to change your vote to BoB last night. I'm not leaning towards lynching you today because I'm still not sure (and the waffle master) but just some observations I've made.
 
SARdoghandler said:
So, after re-going over much of the past few days, here is where I am at.

I'm feeling pretty okay about Panda, Wally, and skiotter. All seem genuine in posts and I haven't picked up on any sketchy behaviour.

I'm feeling somewhat sketchy about mmmdreamerz (though that one is just a gut feeling from D1, I have no back up info), snowshoedog (lots of D2 posts about what wolves might or might not do that made me go hmmm in retrospect), sheltermed (LIS cast some suspicions D1, and LIS was right about BoB), and H&H (raf voted for them D2 and D3 and was killed N3).

None of these are any kind of conclusive (nor anything personal!) but just some thoughts to try and get some discussion going. Any names not mentioned I have no particular feelings one way or another

Also, a correction to my last post. It was actually early in D2 that I voted for BoB.
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I just want to post that these 4 were next on my possibles. SAR and SkiOtter seem ok in my book. I agree with a similar sketchy vibe to mmmdreamz (also git feeling).

I know sheltermed is going through a terrible and unimaginable time right now, but if we follow the "real life doesn't matter in WW", we can't assume she is only a villager.
 
SARdoghandler said:
These are some of your posts that make me wonder, Snowshoe (underlines are my emphasis put in the quotes). Again, not necessarily accusing you as thinking out loud might explain it.

You weren't what I would call 'suspicious of BoB and lynching from close to the beginning'. You only lynched them once on D3, but only said your reasons were because you agreed with other people - and quickly changed your vote. You were also second last to change your vote to BoB last night. I'm not leaning towards lynching you today because I'm still not sure (and the waffle master) but just some observations I've made.
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Interesting. It was me thinking out loud. The first comment was near the beginning of the game and I thought that would be the wolves strategy. The comment to hyge was because I didn't know whether to believe her or not though I don't really remember the context (I'm on my phone so it's really hard to search though past posts quickly). The comment about Raf was because I honestly thought she had good insight. She had a similar line of thinking about things as I feel I do so she was on of my first guesses for who was a villager. And I guess maybe I didn't post my suspicions about BYOB much because I was trying to be careful at the beginning of the game to not sound even slightly wolf-y and as the game goes on now I just want to help find out who the wolves are. So I'm not filtering my posts as much. I dont know if that makes sense but I'm sorry if it makes me sound suspicious.
 
Thanks for the explanations @TrashPanda 🙂 I just got to sit down and look at them now, but your reasons are pretty sound to me at this point.
 
SARdoghandler said:
...and H&H (raf voted for them D2 and D3 and was killed N3)...
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This is an interesting point. I have a hard time keeping up with the waffles so I forgot raf also voted HH at one point on day 3 (although it was kind of a second thought and only lasted a couple minutes). If raf was suspicious of TWO wolves (BoB, and hypothetically HH), then raf was an even more solid target for the wolves to kill.
 
Has anyone cast a lynch vote yet?

I'm gonna go with one of my first guesses because I should have stuck with BYOB even though she started acting less sketchy.

Lynch h&h
 
serher said:
This is an interesting point. I have a hard time keeping up with the waffles so I forgot raf also voted HH at one point on day 3 (although it was kind of a second thought and only lasted a couple minutes). If raf was suspicious of TWO wolves (BoB, and hypothetically HH), then raf was an even more solid target for the wolves to kill.
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This makes sense, and I've also been suspicious of h&h for a while, along with BoB.

Lynch h&h
 
I'm just noting that my post was complete speculation. I could be wrong and I'm worried the village will hold it against me if we're wrong. I think I'm going to wait to hear from HH because I don't particularly like the bandwagon that is happening so quickly right now.
 
serher said:
I'm just noting that my post was complete speculation. I could be wrong and I'm worried the village will hold it against me if we're wrong. I think I'm going to wait to hear from HH because I don't particularly like the bandwagon that is happening so quickly right now.
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I think we're all on the speculation-boat here. But I feel like we have more "evidence" (weak though it may be) for H&H than anyone else.

So, for now I'll vote (though always with my right to waffle haha)

lynch H&H
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Has anyone cast a lynch vote yet?

I'm gonna go with one of my first guesses because I should have stuck with BYOB even though she started acting less sketchy.

Lynch h&h
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Since you voted for HH twice already, I'm curious if you have any actual evidence for those votes? If you do, you can just say you do, you don't have to reveal what.
 
The whole BoB/killer revelation thing happened in like 10 minutes. You really going to hold it against me that I checked the thread a few minutes later than other people?

I was the first to vote to lynch hyge the other night, before she even went fully off the rails. Yesterday, I was one of the most vocal defenders of DocS, whom we now pretty much unanimously believe is a villager (or... not-wolf), despite wanting to lynch her previously and despite that bird brain voting to lynch me!

Have my posts really been devoid of content? Is there anyone that can't be said about? The only really useful post this entire game has been killer's last night. I've at last been trying to figure out how we can share something without giving ourselves up for the wolves. We've all just been shooting in the dark this whole time, there has to be a better method!
 
Just got back from lunch. I'm still interested in hearing from (or about) other players who haven't commented much or haven't made substantial posts, but I'll vote.

****Lynch H&H****
 
serher said:
I'm just noting that my post was complete speculation. I could be wrong and I'm worried the village will hold it against me if we're wrong. I think I'm going to wait to hear from HH because I don't particularly like the bandwagon that is happening so quickly right now.
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I'm also willing to waffle once we hear from H&H, but wanted to get a vote out so hopefully there aren't scrambled eggs later.
 
serher said:
Since you voted for HH twice already, I'm curious if you have any actual evidence for those votes? If you do, you can just say you do, you don't have to reveal what.
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I'm in the middle of stuff at work so I'll post more later. I don't have solid evidence from an ability or item. I don't think everyone should jump on this bandwagon. h&h has some good points in his defense and there are still other wolves out there so it might make sense to look for them while we have time today so we aren't completely lost tomorrow
 
All of you still voting for H&H, do you think her response is decent? I can understand her last minute vote change last night. Even Dr. S changed her vote last minute last night. What happened was pretty down to the last minute.

Going through to read some posts...
 
wallydo said:
All of you still voting for H&H, do you think her response is decent? I can understand her last minute vote change last night. Even Dr. S changed her vote last minute last night. What happened was pretty down to the last minute.

Going through to read some posts...
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I feel like the response to last minute vote change is believable - I wasn't even here last night it happened so quickly! However, for now I am sticking with my vote as raf voted for H&H to be lynched at some point on both D2 and D3 before they ended up dead. Still willing to change if better info shows up.
 
SARdoghandler said:
I feel like the response to last minute vote change is believable - I wasn't even here last night it happened so quickly! However, for now I am sticking with my vote as raf voted for H&H to be lynched at some point on both D2 and D3 before they ended up dead. Still willing to change if better info shows up.
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Fair enough. For now...

lynch H&H

This will hopefully get more info out of H&H and it has been a "go-to" vote on more than one occasion here, which must mean something.
 
raf2769 said:
my vote for h&h is for a few things, none of which are extremely incriminating, but enough that I feel comfortable with my vote.
1. voted for conn yesterday, who is now a known villager
2. hasn't been extremely active, yet active enough to not be "inactive." I said earlier I was going to look at people that fit this description because that's how I feel the wolves will be acting.
3. h&h hasn't added much in the way of game solving, except for being very suspicious of DrS today, and then ultimately not even voting to lynch her.
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This. This is what people are basing their distrust in me on. Again, I think I've debunked these points already.
1. I was the first to cast a lynch on D1 and it turn out to be a villager. It was D1, there was absolutely nothing to go on.
2. and 3. I just covered in my previous post.

Raf's lynch votes were all over the place. He jumped from DocS to me D2. D3 he went from kittens to me (for like 10 minutes because he had nothing else to go on other than the previous day) to AM.
 
Guys the fact that so many people jumped on HH for no big reason concerns me. The wolves are obviously okay with this vote. BoB was different because there was such hard evidence against them.
 
Why don't we look at people who actually haven't contributed much. @kittenmittens524 just cast a vote against me with no reasoning at all. Notice that she was also a target of Raf, and has been suspect multiple times.
@Karabiner13 just piled on with nothing more than a "yeah, he's suspect because BoB." What can he offer in his defense?
 
hurtem&healem said:
Why don't we look at people who actually haven't contributed much. @kittenmittens524 just cast a vote against me with no reasoning at all. Notice that she was also a target of Raf, and has been suspect multiple times.
@Karabiner13 just piled on with nothing more than a "yeah, he's suspect because BoB." What can he offer in his defense?
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The point about kitten is just as valid. I forgot raf was the one who started that bandwagon.
 
serher said:
The point about kitten is just as valid. I forgot raf was the one who started that bandwagon.
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I'm sorry I'm at work, I am agreeing with what everyone else has posted, I just haven't had time for a full rationale. I wanted to vote in case I'm not out of here by day close
 
I'm just going to lynch someone else that jumped very quickly on my HH post. I just have a bad feeling about how this vote is going with complete agreement. I may change back to HH though because that was my original feeling

lynch snowshoe
 
TrashPanda said:
He voted for cdoconn just before she died, then hyge, doctor-S, and then you (before switching to BoB at the last second).

He's seemed less sketchy to me in the past few days because his posts have been more thought-out, but that might be because we pointed out it was suspicious that his posts were short and didn't add much to strategizing. Overall, his posts have mostly followed the BoB trend of fairly high in number, but short with no new info or theory...
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I think its important to note that H&H has been going after people that we have a general consensus are villagers, including DrS and myself. I understand that H&H is trying to avoid the lynch by accusing me of not having supporting evidence, but wouldn't it make more sense to defend yourself with your role or something else you have contributed instead of trying to lynch a villager?
 
general consensus villagers? You maybe, not DocS. And I was DocS biggest defender yesterday when people were trying to lynch her.
 
:prof::prof::prof::prof::prof:

Plurality is usually called when >50% of the vote is on one individual. I personally immensely dislike it, and usually the only time I'll call a lynch early is when there is an overwhelming majority on one person, they have defended (or said they wouldn't) and nothing has changed in some time.
 
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serher said:
What are the rules for plurality? Just need a majority?
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Trilt said this in the initial post for the game:
Trilt said:
RULES
If there is a really overwhelming majority and almost everyone seems to have voted/defended, lynch may close early... but generally night/lynch deadlines will be 7AM/9PM EST. No plurality rule
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🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
 
If there is a danger of plurality being called on H&H then I will choose to unlynch. I believe there is still plenty of time to defend themselves in such a way I would change my vote.

In other words, I approve of your modding techinque, Trilt! :highfive:And still not completely convinced against H&H.

So, H&H. You have defended yourself but I still have more desire to go for you than any other particular person. Do you have anyone you'd like to put up for consideration? Convince me to lynch someone else and I would change my vote :shrug:
 
@serher , was snowshoe the one that was confused that we hadn't "gotten" anywhere the other day?
 
You guys don't see ANYTHING weird about this. There wolves wouldn't have jumped ship so quickly because they had all day to debate.
 
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