LMU c/o 2018 applicants

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DVMDream said:
It shouldn't. If it does, it can be seen as putting pressure on applicants to accept a seat before the April 15th deadline, which is not allowed. Like I said, a few years back Kansas State ran into this problem. They overaccepted (let's be honest, most vet schools do and it usually isn't a problem), but more than the usual number accepted the offer. They had to accommodate. I clearly remember some people from that class mentioning how they had to bring extra chairs into the lecture theater to make room for the extra students. There can not be extra pressure on students to accept seats early, not only that an acceptance is an acceptance. You say yes on April 15th, they have to honor you accepting that seat. Otherwise, it breaches their contract with VMCAS and the other AAVMC schools. (Only exceptions to this are schools that don't use VMCAS and international schools).

This isn't just an LMU issue, we have seen this similar phrasing used by other schools too. And it shouldn't be. You have until April 15th and they do have to honor that, and the schools are well aware that they do.
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this also happened at UTK the year after my year. They over accepted by like 10 and made room for them all.
 
Has anyone in the pending category been informed of a decision? Also does anyone know if they are still interviewing?
 
krupajl said:
Has anyone in the pending category been informed of a decision? Also does anyone know if they are still interviewing?
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They are still interviewing. I think Dr. Schadler is out of town this week so they're not doing interviews this week.
 
dvmhopeful2018 said:
They are still interviewing. I think Dr. Schadler is out of town this week so they're not doing interviews this week.
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Wow...I wonder why they are still interviewing? Dr. Faulkner said they already have offered 85 positions... I am literally going crazy waiting. This is solo stressful. I may not hear till may they said.
 
krupajl said:
Wow...I wonder why they are still interviewing? Dr. Faulkner said they already have offered 85 positions... I am literally going crazy waiting. This is solo stressful. I may not hear till may they said.
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I don't think they're doing a whole lot more, but people have had to work around interviews at other schools and traveling and such, so they're trying to accommodate them. I know I have a few more tours to give, but not nearly as many as the past few weeks!
 
krupajl said:
Has anyone in the pending category been informed of a decision? Also does anyone know if they are still interviewing?
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This was in my splitter spots regarding pending apps. I received this yesterday. As it was said before, it is common to offer more acceptances than there are seats.

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Yeah but it still doesn't add up that they are still interviewing...Uggg soooo stressful. Do you know when they are done interviewing? I wonder what pending really means..lol. the whole thing went from 6 weeks to months..Yikes. I soooo hope I get in but the wait may kill me.
 
dvmhopeful2018 said:
I don't think they're doing a whole lot more, but people have had to work around interviews at other schools and traveling and such, so they're trying to accommodate them. I know I have a few more tours to give, but not nearly as many as the past few weeks!
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I am hoping a lot of people decide to not go!
 
krupajl said:
Yeah but it still doesn't add up that they are still interviewing...Uggg soooo stressful. Do you know when they are done interviewing? I wonder what pending really means..lol. the whole thing went from 6 weeks to months..Yikes. I soooo hope I get in but the wait may kill me.
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I believe the 6 week period refers to the Admissions Committee's decision of "Accepted" or "Pending", not to when you'll hear back about your acceptance status after you've been placed as "Pending".

I'm not sure when they are done interviewing, sorry.
 
No it's ok...No that's right....It just six. I am wondering what the chances of a pending applicant getting in really is. The class will prob be full.
 
Just declined my offer of admissions. Really hope one of you SDNers gets my seat! Good luck and don't give up!!
 
AE373 said:
There ya go, @krupajl! One down! There's hope more doors will open! @CountingStars1025 Where have you decided to attend? Congrats on your other acceptances wherever they may be! 🙂
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Thanks! I haven't made a decision yet. I just interviewed at my IS school and am waiting to hear back from them. I am also an alternate at Cornell and accepted into Ohio. I have decided that it's important for me to be a few hours drive from home for personal reasons. As soon as I realized I LMU was a little too far for me I wanted to let them know to hopefully give someone who is waiting to hear some piece of mind.
 
AE373..Do you know if LMU is already full? I am hoping for the best! I want to go there soo bad!
 
I saw that there is a budget for the first year, but nothing for years 2-4. Does anyone have an idea what the projected budget is for the whole four years?
krupajl said:
AE373..Do you know if LMU is already full? I am hoping for the best! I want to go there soo bad!
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No clue. I would think I would have received some sort of notification since I haven't made a decision yet.
 
AE373 said:
I saw that there is a budget for the first year, but nothing for years 2-4. Does anyone have an idea what the projected budget is for the whole four years?
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They had all four years up at one point, but they just got a new website and the info may not have transferred over. Check back on the website in a couple of weeks after they've got all the kinks sorted.
 
First class is now full. If you were accepted and you didn't commit your slot is gone.:boom:
 
dyachei said:
I highly recommend if this is the case and you wanted to attend that you let the AVMA know. this is not allowable per the agreement that they made.
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I agree with this. Report it to the AVMA. Otherwise, they will just be allowed to repeat this same thing next year and the year after and the year after.
 
dyachei said:
it might be the AAVMC. regardless, it should be reported.
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I have been trying for the last hour to formulate an intelligent message to AAVMC, but every few minutes I have to stop and regroup. I'm so sad right now, I can't be logical. I thought I had until April to decide.
 
CrazyTNCatLady said:
I have been trying for the last hour to formulate an intelligent message to AAVMC, but every few minutes I have to stop and regroup. I'm so sad right now, I can't be logical. I thought I had until April to decide.
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if you want someone to look over it, I would be happy to.

Honestly, there's a reason the schools agree to this.
 
I'm just curious if this many people are saying they got that email; just how many acceptances did they offer?
 
I got the email while I was at work… I've been walking around bummed since I opened it. I'm glad I've got some awesome coworkers to cheer me up!
 
Wow I really feel for you guys who didn't accept their offers in time. This situation is one of the reasons I decided to decline my offer, it just didn't feel right. Plus, since they sent out the "50% of the class is full" warning, one of the applicants I am friends with on FB got an acceptance letter (last week). I don't understand why they were still accepting people when they already over-offered their seats. I hope that either AAVMC can straighten this out or that all of you who have lost your seat get accepted to the schools of your dreams. Good luck guys!
 
I accepted my spot but have not sent in my deposit (they sent the letter to my mom's house instead of mine). I did not get the email saying the class was full. Anyone have any idea what this means?
 
Scarlettmorgana said:
I accepted my spot but have not sent in my deposit (they sent the letter to my mom's house instead of mine). I did not get the email saying the class was full. Anyone have any idea what this means?
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I am in the exact same situation as you. I'm assuming they sent it out to only those who hadn't accepted their seats yet.
 
I got an e-mail today saying they were going to review the pending applications and you will either get a alternate or denial in the next 3 weeks. Does anyone know if the people who didn't get their seats on time will be first priority to take a seat? Since it is full..those are final decisions right? Real bummer!
 
It's my understanding that the class is "full", meaning that 85 people have been offered a seat and accepted the offer. However, these people also have to put their deposit down by April 17th. I think those that "accepted" their seat but don't put down the deposit by April 17th forfeit the seat, and they go to the waiting list. That's my understanding from the email they sent today to people who have written that they accepted their seat, but haven't paid the deposit.
 
Scarlettmorgana said:
I accepted my spot but have not sent in my deposit (they sent the letter to my mom's house instead of mine). I did not get the email saying the class was full. Anyone have any idea what this means?
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They sent out an email today for people who had accepted their seat, but hadn't paid the deposit.
 
No, there shouldn't be any need to contact the AVMA because the school is not doing anything wrong, and this was indicated several times. They offered acceptances to a certain number of students, and can and will not revoke those acceptances. If you accept the seat (by confirming by e-mail and paying the deposit), you will be attending in the fall. If not, then you can deny your offer. The "50% full" information is not a warning at all but an indication to let students know how many seats have been officially accepted by students offered a seat. If you were offered a seat, it cannot be revoked. You can still attend if you confirm by email that you want to attend and pay your deposit. Everything is under control. If you were accepted-you are in. Congratulations! 🙂
 
BaileyCopperxo said:
No, there shouldn't be any need to contact the AVMA because the school is not doing anything wrong, and this was indicated several times. They offered acceptances to a certain number of students, and can and will not revoke those acceptances. If you accept the seat (by confirming by e-mail and paying the deposit), you will be attending in the fall. If not, then you can deny your offer. The "50% full" information is not a warning at all but an indication to let students know how many seats have been officially accepted by students offered a seat. If you were offered a seat, it cannot be revoked. You can still attend if you confirm by email that you want to attend and pay your deposit. Everything is under control. If you were accepted-you are in. Congratulations! 🙂
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I think the entire issue has gone well over your head.

The school has sent out an email stating that the class is full and people who were accepted are now being told they can not come and their acceptance is being denied. That is 100% against VMCAS application rules that the school agreed to. It is wrong and needs to be reported or the school will continue to do it in future years. The school is required to give all people that were accepted until April 15th to decide and they did not follow that.
 
Anyone willing to post the email? Maybe the wording is confusing?
 
Dlisted said:
Anyone willing to post the email? Maybe the wording is confusing?
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It might be. But if you can still send in your deposit until April 15th or whatever date, why bother sending an email out that says the class if full? They are obligated to take any students they offered an acceptance to.
 
This is the email I received as a person who has already accepted their seat:

As some of you may have heard, we sent out a note yesterday stating that the LMU-CVM Class of 2018 is now full and a waitlist will be created. We wanted to clear up any confusion you may have – this message did not pertain to you as you have already given us written notification that you will be attending LMU.


As stated in the matriculation information, your matriculation paperwork and fee need to be postmarked by April 17th. This means that your seat in the class will be held until then.


For anybody who has contacted us with a new mailing address, your matriculation paperwork will be going out in today’s mail. If you do not receive your letter by next week, please let me know.


If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.


Thank you,
 
nicolette_mae said:
This is the email I received as a person who has already accepted their seat:

As some of you may have heard, we sent out a note yesterday stating that the LMU-CVM Class of 2018 is now full and a waitlist will be created. We wanted to clear up any confusion you may have – this message did not pertain to you as you have already given us written notification that you will be attending LMU.


As stated in the matriculation information, your matriculation paperwork and fee need to be postmarked by April 17th. This means that your seat in the class will be held until then.


For anybody who has contacted us with a new mailing address, your matriculation paperwork will be going out in today’s mail. If you do not receive your letter by next week, please let me know.


If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.


Thank you,
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This is nice for those that already contacted the school and decided to take a seat.

For those that were accepted that had not accepted their seat yet, from what I am gathering on this thread, are now SOL. This is completely against the agreement that they signed with VMCAS. This should be reported, as a professional institution looking to gain accreditation they need to be held to the same standards that the other US schools are held to. Other US schools have, in the past, had to allow for a larger class size as more people accepted than anticipated and since they made the agreement of the April 15th deadline, they allowed the larger class size than usual. If I did anything dishonest at school here, I would be dismissed from vet school immediately. I do not understand why students would allow a vet school to do that to them. The vet schools need to be honest and held accountable for their actions too. So, if it really is the case that someone was accepted and was still waiting to hear from another US school and is now being told they do not have a seat at LMU, then this really does need to be reported.
 
DVMDream said:
This is nice for those that already contacted the school and decided to take a seat.

For those that were accepted that had not accepted their seat yet, from what I am gathering on this thread, are now SOL. This is completely against the agreement that they signed with VMCAS. This should be reported, as a professional institution looking to gain accreditation they need to be held to the same standards that the other US schools are held to. Other US schools have, in the past, had to allow for a larger class size as more people accepted than anticipated and since they made the agreement of the April 15th deadline, they allowed the larger class size than usual. If I did anything dishonest at school here, I would be dismissed from vet school immediately. I do not understand why students would allow a vet school to do that to them. The vet schools need to be honest and held accountable for their actions too. So, if it really is the case that someone was accepted and was still waiting to hear from another US school and is now being told they do not have a seat at LMU, then this really does need to be reported.
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How is what LMU doing different than every other school that has a wait list? Everyone was told from the beginning that after 85 people accepted their seat, the wait list would be created for the seats that become available if people decide to attend another school. People are allowed to accept seats at however many schools they are accepted to, and they don't have to make a final decision until April 15th, so obviously some seats will come available after that date, and thus people will be called off the wait list.
 
dvmhopeful2018 said:
How is what LMU doing different than every other school that has a wait list? Everyone was told from the beginning that after 85 people accepted their seat, the wait list would be created for the seats that become available if people decide to attend another school. People are allowed to accept seats at however many schools they are accepted to, and they don't have to make a final decision until April 15th, so obviously some seats will come available after that date, and thus people will be called off the wait list.
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because they were offered admission. They weren't told that they were alternates.
 
dvmhopeful2018 said:
How is what LMU doing different than every other school that has a wait list? Everyone was told from the beginning that after 85 people accepted their seat, the wait list would be created for the seats that become available if people decide to attend another school. People are allowed to accept seats at however many schools they are accepted to, and they don't have to make a final decision until April 15th, so obviously some seats will come available after that date, and thus people will be called off the wait list.
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No other school sends out acceptances and then says, "oh nope, the class is full now, your acceptance does not count". None. I have not heard of a single school doing that ever. The other schools waitlists are just that. Waitlists. You are put on it and if people drop off from the acceptance list and there is a seat available, you might be given a spot. A waitlist is not equal to an acceptance. An acceptance is just that, an acceptance, you are going to vet school. To deny that acceptance after it has already been given is shady, disrespectful and completely against the agreement they are in with the AAVMC and VMCAS.
 
nicolette_mae said:
Since no one but the school has all the details, lets not make assumptions and wait to point fingers after we have heard from them. Also, DVMDream, I don't know why you're even on this board since you're already a vet student and have no say over what happens to LMU. I appreciate your two cents, but since you're already in vet school, I'm sure you have more important things to focus on. 🙂
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I think I made it rather clear in one of my posts that if it really is the case that students that were accepted are now not accepted that it should be reported. I no where said that I have all the information, I even mentioned that is just how it appears from what some people have posted on here. I can only go by what other people post and say. Based on what has been said it should be reported. Schools are held to certain standards for a reason. Whether you agree to that or not. I get that you are probably accepted and like the school. That is great, congratulations. I am not on here saying what should happen to LMU or how the AAVMC should handle it. I am telling those students who seem like they were accepted but now their acceptance is being taken away because the class is full that this is against agreements and rules made by AAVMC and VMCAS. (Why not take a moment and put yourself in their shoes, imagine that were you: accepted and then told that you are no longer accepted through no fault of your own. How would you feel?)

Yes, I am a vet student. This is a pre-vet board. This is where pre-vets/vet students and vets belong. How else do pre-vets expect to get their questions answered? How do pre-vets get advice/tips on interviews/applications/LoR/Personal Statements/etc. Oh, that is right the current vet students and vets who have been through all of that already. I have been here for 5 years, helping pre-vets, reading over personal statements, giving advice and overall being a helpful person. I am not on here saying "omg, LMU is a horrid school don't go there". I am not telling you that you should not attend. I am simply telling a group of what I would imagine are rather disappointed pre-vet students that what LMU is doing, if it is correct, is against agreements that they made. I am sick of the pre-vets on here that get pissed off at us vet students just because you do not agree with us. Yes, you might be accepted to LMU and that makes you a bit biased in your opinion, but put yourself in someone else's shoes and then really think about it before you get upset at the person who is simply saying, "hey, if that is really happening it is wrong."

How many years have you put into helping pre-vet students on this board? How many personal statements have you taken the time to read? How many times have you been bitched out by the pre-vets here for attempting to help? Yes, I am taking time while in vet school to help the pre-vets on this board and this is how you guys respond and treat us. Then you wonder why the vet students don't want to help or won't answer questions, well you have your answer.
 
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First, DVMDream, like anyone else, can post to any board if they have something to say.

Second, something about this whole process stinks. I'm just another of 1000's of people that paid an exorbitant sum of money to apply, interviewed, was accepted, and now somehow find myself on the waitlist (assuming I let them know). No other school does it like this that I'm aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe this is the way it will be at other schools in the future, but so far it doesn't seem like typical behavior. The response from AAVMC was predictable...LMU didn't violate any policy by doing this. I'm not surprised by their answer. They lobby for schools, not applicants. Nothing will come of this. Just part of a frustrating and expensive game.
 
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