Madagascar WWildlife (A Basics Game!) - GAME THREAD

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I think zenge seemed off first day but is now back to normal thought process. I wasn’t sure if it was him or me after his last game. He and Vis so had me fooled that he was the first time I ever considered salt vote! But I am now wondering if WW can increase your level of paranoia :bored:
Strong disagree and your defense of him is noted.
 
Sorry thought the I’m not a wolf part was implied there when I said I wasn’t stupid.

Zenge actually seemed fairly normal to me day 1. What felt off?
I usually am all over his posts saying "yeah, that is right" and "great logic". Just was not there to the point I was not following. And noticed it b/c I use that as a starting point for my reads. The post last night is more what I expect. Also the fact that he didn't feel off last game (and was wolf but now does is impossible to decipher)
 
Also just to be clear, I wouldn’t lead the charge on a villager day 1 of the damn game. That’s a stupid wolf play and I’m not stupid.
Who else is a wolf supposed to lead the charge on, a packmate?
 
I didn't "deflect," I had a conversation with AM
She asked you a question. You responded with an unrelated question instead of answering hers. That’s a deflection.
Meanwhile, she moved her vote off of YOU, at which point you immediately pivoted to being like "piPPy yyyy U tHiNK AM wOLFy ???", which looks a whole lot like you saw an opportunity to try to get AM in your pocket and jumped on it.
Actually AM hadn’t moved her vote yet when I started asking you these questions. If anything it felt like you were trying to pocket me by trying to shade someone voting for me.
So the fact that you immediately turned to tossing out buzzwords at that point to see if you could get me on the board as a village counter makes me want to look real hard at you if Strog flips wolf.
This also makes no sense because I was already on Samac, and Genny expressed interest in joining me before when I left. If I was trying to build a counter wagon it would have made more sense to stay on Samac, let Genny join, and make it a more appealing place to vote for people looking for alternatives to Strog and Alley.
 
I have to reread these long posts once I've acquired caffeine clarity.

@Zenge142 so you're village reading genny?
I’ve found her very hard to read in the past and I’m currently waiting to hear her thoughts on Pippy, but I’m cautiously optimistic. I really like that she had her own reasons for finding Samac sus and was willing to vote there with me, and even after I wavered and was second guessing, she stuck with her read and voted there anyway.
 
She asked you a question. You responded with an unrelated question instead of answering hers. That’s a deflection.
Did you read anything else? Because it's starting to feel like you are willfully ignoring context.
Actually AM hadn’t moved her vote yet when I started asking you these questions. If anything it felt like you were trying to pocket me by trying to shade someone voting for me.
Yes, I often pocket people by calling out their wolfy sketch

Try again Zenge, I'm too cute to die
 
Did you read anything else? Because it's starting to feel like you are willfully ignoring context.
I did read them. I’m not ignoring context. These three quotes of back and forth are the issue at hand.
Not sure how often AM votes for someone active like you as a D1 salt vote. That seems more in line with her w/w voting style to me.

Okay back up 50 miles. When have you ever seen me bus D1?

Why are you still on your salt vote?
You claim AMs wolf meta is to bus a pack mate D1, she calls that out as being untrue and instead of responding to that allegation of lying, you deflect by pushing her about still being on her salt vote.
Yes, I often pocket people by calling out their wolfy sketch
Good, so we’re on the same page about this then.
 
Yes, I often pocket people by calling out their wolfy sketch
In seriousness though, it’s a very viable wolf strategy.
Let’s assume for the sake of argument you’re a wolf and AM and I are village. AM is salt voting me. You call it out as w/w. This puts me into the position of feeling like I need to defend myself to you.

It’s a viable wolf pocketing strategy.
 
What are your thoughts on vmh/meaty?

Finally getting back to this, since the ED was a ***ing disaster last night with no down time whatsoever...

I find them to be sketch, honestly. They weren't around much, and this post in particular made me :eyebrow: :
Wait what the hell is vissy doing, I hate it
Mostly because vmh was the other person (besides me) voting for you, so I have no idea what this reaction is about. They also made the vote pretty late on (~30min until vote close), so while Vis's was close to deadline, theirs wasn't that much sooner. Just seems strange in context.
 
@genny What are your thoughts on Pippy?
She sounds like normal Pippy to me, which really doesn’t mean much at all. But she’s usually not this sloppy as a wolf. The sudden reversal on Strog was weird, and I don’t see her doing that as a wolf. I feel like she’d be less howly and more careful.
 
Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (3) - AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (6) - Dubz, samac, April, mkg, Strog, Lawpy
mkg (1) - Bob
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (3) - differentiating, vmh, Vissy
Pippy (1) - Zenge
K did some rereading to try to see reasoning and timing of votes on these wagons. Not complete thoughts but i have to go now.

Strog:

- AM was initially interested in alley enough to lean dubz v for voting her. I didn’t find her reasoning for switching to strog but I don’t see it as a particularly wolfy move.

- alley is v

- pippy said diff and strog’s posts were sketching her early but wasn’t ready to go there. Had a tinfoil about AM saltvoting packmate z. She didn’t directly answer when asked if AM would bus a packmate D1 but her following interaction with AM felt like her being like “shrug it’s not a theory i feel strongly about but it occurred to me”, the asking AM questions to resolve her other concerns, which feels within pippy’s village range. Noted slight concern about w/w z/dubz and was questioning z’s read of dubz/alley as v/v. Voted alley fairly early. Shifted to strog 1 hour from close based on it feeling like there was a lot of defense. From the timing (strog was in the lead) I can’t see it w/w

Alley:

- Dubz and samac were solidly suspecting alley throughout the day. I understand where they were coming from altho I didn’t agree.

- april is v

- strog and lawpy were self-prez

- mkg went there right after strog came into the lead. A strog flip could be very informative.

Lawpy:

- diff expressed concern early. Same thing i say about meats getting cold feet about the vote when it got too real could be said of her, but overall she’s sounded more village to me than meats, her response to my vote didn’t give the knee-jerk panic feel i got from meats, and if she were mad about her off-wagon vote becoming a wagon i think she would have gone after meats instead of me

- meats came in late. Catchup takes looked pretty ok but nothing making me lean her v. Weirdly got antsy when I switched from a joke vote I think it was pretty clear I never intended to stay on, which meats agreed wasn’t a great vote, to someone meats apparently was also getting some type of feelings about, and didn’t appear to previously be wolf reading me. I don’t understand why a neutral read switching from a joke vote to a vote they previously apparently agreed with, based on reasoning she seemed to agree with and which i had posted before she ever came on thread, would suddenly give her cold feet about a vote except worrying about how if would make her look or the consequences if the vote ended up taking off... feels kinda like either TMI knowledge that lawpy is actually v and panicking that the inconspicuous off-main-wagons place she chose to place her vote may become much more conspicuous or a panic that a very soft bus could get much harder (phrasing lmao). I could see meats/lawpy as any aff combo but leaning towards w/v since after reading lawpy bioshock posts his play this game doesn’t ping me anymore.

- me

Haven’t looked at the reasoning by people who voted offwagon yet and I’ve gotta go do stuff now but that group overall is the most supect if strog/alley is v/v. Leaving this here for future me

- mayo (on AM)

- bob (on mkg)

- genny (on samac, who z is now hard pushing)

- Z (on Pippy who he continues to push hard)
 
Vacances a Madagasikara Day 1 Yeet Tally

Zenge () -
AM (1) - mayo
April () -
Vissy () -
Stroganoff (4) - Vissy, AM, alley, Pippy
mayo () -
alley (4) - Dubz, samac, April, mkg
mkg (1) - Lawpy
differentiating () -
samac (1) - genny
Lawpy (1) - differentiating
Pippy (1) - Zenge

@Stroganoff and @alleycat03, you are in the lead
13/16 voting
Missing: @Stroganoff, @BobLoblaw78 , @vetmedhead

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Vote closes at 9pm EDT (~30 minutes)

Oh boy, a tie!
Tally update in toc pls thx :cat::shy:
 
OK so despite fixing my sleep for this game and naturally getting drowsy af before midnight (without the help of melatonin or Benadryl, which never happens), I fought it off and have been up all night helping someone with a situation.

I'll be home all day today doing epic laundry and chores, so I'll have time for WW.

In the past when I played in 2018 or so, giving people a head's up is sometimes read as wolfy. But then again, not posting all day is also seen as absentee wolfy (or ghosting the game thread all day only to vote last minute is sometimes wolfy). So I almost can't win. But I thought I'd throw this out that I'll be home all day today but might sleep in a bit before actually participating in this thread for D2 shenanigans. 🙂
Reads and quick thoughts? I know you said you're drafting a long post but would like to hear some thoughts even if brief. I think you voted MKG before self prezzing
 
I think zenge seemed off first day but is now back to normal thought process. I wasn’t sure if it was him or me after his last game. He and Vis so had me fooled that he was the first time I ever considered salt vote! But I am now wondering if WW can increase your level of paranoia :bored:
Hmm i can agree with this. How are you reading samacs?
 
What about this is not reserved? Additionally, are you saying he's just trolling instead of playing the game?
The dodginess with the poems in response to your questions oddly makes him less wolfy to me from the bioshock parallels (he was village sided 3p).

It's like a mix of game discussion + trolly poems. D1 showed he's fixed on you but he did share thoughts on the last minute wagonomics
 
The dodginess with the poems in response to your questions oddly makes him less wolfy to me from the bioshock parallels (he was village sided 3p).

It's like a mix of game discussion + trolly poems. D1 showed he's fixed on you but he did share thoughts on the last minute wagonomics
What thoughts? All I was able to gather is that alley was village (no duh), there was wagon movements (uh-huh), and maybe they (who's they?) were trying to save someone else on the board (who is saved?). Did you gather anything that actually gives direction and isn't ambiguous?
 
What thoughts? All I was able to gather is that alley was village (no duh), there was wagon movements (uh-huh), and maybe they (who's they?) were trying to save someone else on the board (who is saved?). Did you gather anything that actually gives direction and isn't ambiguous?
They weren't clear
 
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