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qwerty89 said:
From what I see Stanford send exactly 0 to Radiology this year...
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qwerty89 said:
Its amazing seeing the low numbers of students matching into Radiology.

You are seeing VERY few US MDs matching at community programs except those in competitive locations.
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in general, it seems like students at higher ranked schools are matching less people into rads while the middle/lower ranked schools are matching more.

rads has the highest match rate of any specialty (99%), and while mean stats are still high (for now), having mediocre/poor stats doesn't seem to preclude one from matching based on the last charting outcomes - http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf

and to think, less than 10 years ago people were actually debating between rads and very competitive specialties:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/radiology-vs-ophthalmology.519907/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/radiology-vs-urology.509244/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/radiology-vs-dermatology.475479/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/rads-vs-rad-onc.494893/

today it's a no brainer. the ones that went rads are probably kicking themselves right now. the debate these days is more rads vs. EM/IM/Gas/Pathology.

on a sidenote, i wonder if the students at higher ranked med schools are more in touch with the future trends of specialty competitiveness and lack thereof and then it "trickles down" in later years to us mere mortals at non top-10 schools and from there to DO schools and foreign schools.
 
Leonidis I said:
in general, it seems like students at higher ranked schools are matching less people into rads while the middle/lower ranked schools are matching more.

rads has the highest match rate of any specialty (99%), and while mean stats are still high (for now), having mediocre/poor stats doesn't seem to preclude one from matching based on the last charting outcomes - http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf

and to think, less than 10 years ago people were actually debating between rads and very competitive specialties:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/radiology-vs-ophthalmology.519907/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/radiology-vs-urology.509244/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/radiology-vs-dermatology.475479/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/rads-vs-rad-onc.494893/

today it's a no brainer. the ones that went rads are probably kicking themselves right now. the debate these days is more rads vs. EM/IM/Gas/Pathology.

on a sidenote, i wonder if the students at higher ranked med schools are more in touch with the future trends of specialty competitiveness and lack thereof and then it "trickles down" in later years to us mere mortals at non top-10 schools and from there to DO schools and foreign schools.
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they're kicking themselves, just like people going into the hot fields right now will be in 10 years. everything is cyclical.
 
PL198 said:
they're kicking themselves, just like people going into the hot fields right now will be in 10 years. everything is cyclical.
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Could be, but I'm not sure that there's really a "cycle" at play here. Almost everyone (unsure about dermatologists) is seeing their salaries plummeting, and it's not like the government is going to wake up one day and realize that it can suddenly afford to pay primary care doctors $400,000+.

What's the debt now - $18 trillion?
 
Dave89 said:
Could be, but I'm not sure that there's really a "cycle" at play here. Almost everyone (unsure about dermatologists) is seeing their salaries plummeting, and it's not like the government is going to wake up one day and realize that it can suddenly afford to pay primary care doctors $400,000+.

What's the debt now - $18 trillion?
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Primary care doctors $400,000+? Where?
 
Dave89 said:
Could be, but I'm not sure that there's really a "cycle" at play here. Almost everyone (unsure about dermatologists) is seeing their salaries plummeting, and it's not like the government is going to wake up one day and realize that it can suddenly afford to pay primary care doctors $400,000+.

What's the debt now - $18 trillion?
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Derm is hurting too. And whenever they transition away from FFS, I think outpatient specialties with a lot of "billable procedures" stand to lose the MOST, ie derm. However, dropping salary aside, I think the hours and ability to avoid inpatient medicine will keep derm pretty competitive.
 
Slack3r said:
Derm is hurting too. And whenever they transition away from FFS, I think outpatient specialties with a lot of "billable procedures" stand to lose the MOST, ie derm. However, dropping salary aside, I think the hours and ability to avoid inpatient medicine will keep derm pretty competitive.
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I don't know much at all about dermatology, but I'd imagine that even the very important, non-elective procedures (e.g., excision/staging of melanomas) don't cost the patient all that much - a couple of thousand, or am I way off?

In other words, it hits the sweet spot of allowing docs to abandon, to some degree, government/insurance payment schemes - assuming decent marketing and reputation. If you're dealing with an elective visit or procedure, the patient probably has money anyway. And if it's non-elective... well, patients can rustle up the money far more easily than they can for chemotherapy, invasive surgery, or something along those lines.

Obviously, exceptions apply. If you've got a patient with dozens of dysplastic nevi, all bets are off.
 
PL198 said:
yeah but you don't get as many alternative perspectives which kills innovation
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This

I do not think that keeping their own students reflects well in their hospital system nor the school. There is a lot to be gained by working with other bright students that have been exposed to different perspectives, have different strengths and have trained at other schools. Personally, I would find it extremely boring if had to spent 4 years of medical school and 3-4 years of residency with the same people........but that is just me....
 
I'm always confused by the "bringing new ideas" thing. It doesn't make much sense...will the alternate perspective mean anything worth more than a penny to the program? It's not like they'll change their program by admitting some west coast kid to an east coast place...
 
cs24 said:
Beat me to it. Don't know if it says more about the students themselves or the programs. Do the students know there's a world outside of Boston? Do the programs really think there are no qualified applicants from around the country?
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A lot of people, when applying to med school, ONLY apply to their state schools, and when applying to residencies, ONLY apply to their state residencies. I know a ton of people that would hate the thought of moving out of state for school/training...
 
KnuxNole said:
I'm always confused by the "bringing new ideas" thing. It doesn't make much sense...will the alternate perspective mean anything worth more than a penny to the program? It's not like they'll change their program by admitting some west coast kid to an east coast place...
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I just think it's an entirely different set of lenses and you don't have the same biases and etc. What is the point at applying to residencies if schools just take tons of their own students?
 
SouthernSurgeon said:
I think this is extra true for people in the NE corridor cities
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Well, if you are already living in paradise, you wouldn't want to leave 😉

I know for me, and a lot of other millenials, I want to move to places I would enjoy and get new experiences and such. However, there are people who don't want to leave their hometown, ever. I think that mentality does extend across the nation. Especially ones that dont want to be more than an hour away from family and such, and ones who want to live at home too 😛
 
PL198 said:
I just think it's an entirely different set of lenses and you don't have the same biases and etc. What is the point at applying to residencies if schools just take tons of their own students?
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True, but perhaps they thought their own kids were good, and the applicants didn't want to leave. The program can rank 15 people from other schools, but if all those 15 people got accepted elsewhere, they could have been stuck with Harvard kids!

I mean, a person can want to stay in Boston, but if the programs all don't like them, there is nothing they can do to woo them, unless they sleep with the PD or something.
 
KnuxNole said:
True, but perhaps they thought their own kids were good, and the applicants didn't want to leave. The program can rank 15 people from other schools, but if all those 15 people got accepted elsewhere, they could have been stuck with Harvard kids!

I mean, a person can want to stay in Boston, but if the programs all don't like them, there is nothing they can do to woo them, unless they sleep with the PD or something.
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yeah I agree I just don't see that happening. Like I don't think harvard ends up with a bunch of harvard kids from being stuck, I feel like they'd think their kids are better than other ones with similar stats which makes no sense.

I have absolutely 0 desire to stay in a home program. People talk about sh*tting where you eat in terms of dating, well I think staying at your home program is the exact same thing. I view medical school as learning the BS needed to get the degree and start my actual medical education(residency), so I want that phase to be completely separate from my actual learning phase.

NE cities are so polarizing. Either people love them or hate them
 
I always thought it was basically biases in performing certain procedures vs other ones, given a certain set of conditions but not sure if everyone agrees with that.
 
PL198 said:
they're kicking themselves, just like people going into the hot fields right now will be in 10 years. everything is cyclical.
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Agree -- cyclical. Some attendings on the Rads forum have recently stated that the job market has comparatively improved this past year. Everything is trailing.

Dave89 said:
Could be, but I'm not sure that there's really a "cycle" at play here. Almost everyone (unsure about dermatologists) is seeing their salaries plummeting, and it's not like the government is going to wake up one day and realize that it can suddenly afford to pay primary care doctors $400,000+.

What's the debt now - $18 trillion?
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Psych also have gone up over past decade. From the VA gigs to PP. Although it was on the lower end to start off with.

Slack3r said:
Derm is hurting too. And whenever they transition away from FFS, I think outpatient specialties with a lot of "billable procedures" stand to lose the MOST, ie derm. However, dropping salary aside, I think the hours and ability to avoid inpatient medicine will keep derm pretty competitive.
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Def agree -- my money is that derm is always at least pretty competitive unless what you outline occurs AND residency spots get a big boost.

KnuxNole said:
I'm always confused by the "bringing new ideas" thing. It doesn't make much sense...will the alternate perspective mean anything worth more than a penny to the program? It's not like they'll change their program by admitting some west coast kid to an east coast place...
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Yeah the academic inbreeding worry doesn't carry over as well IMO in medicine (compared to, say, traditional hard sciences). Medicine is medicine in a very algorithmic way, bring some new pioneering treatment on the fly that you spontaneously thought up 5 minutes ago -- and risk being sued for big bucks. Medical research, okay, perhaps more relevant -- "bring in new ideas". But, really, how many of these HMS matches are going to go on to do heavy research? Some. Not most. No need for them to "bring new ideas as freshly graduated med students." lol what ideas? "Academic inbreeding" isn't as big of an issue in medicine, IMO. Especially when considering the MS4 -> resident transition.
 
It's like a product that you already know. They work with Harvard kids and know they will make a good workforce and be strong residents, vs that brand you've heard of, but maybe still shaky. Plus, perhaps the program is so favorable amongst students there's a competition amongst who to pick from their litter. Also, those peeps did their rotations there so they know they are key as a workhorse piece.
 
Of course there is also the more shallow facet that would be remiss to ignore.

Everyone likes prestige.

Harvard is the biggest name in medicine.

Natural that harvard residencies (the same as any other residency) would be happy to have "harvard pedigree" showing up in their incoming cohorts of residents. I imagine any state U would be just as open to it.
 
Plus, the galore of Boston is hard to get away from! I'm sure a lot of the LA peeps want to stay in LA, CHI-town peeps, NOLA peeps, etc.
 
notbobtrustme said:
Canada
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This is not true. Most Canadian pp primary care physicians are probably grossing 250k. With overhead and taxes, they're probably netting 120-130K. You can make considerably more doing private practice in the US.
 
INSUFFLATOR said:
I've been an attending for going on 10 years. My inquiry was to garner an understanding of where SS went to school. He has been very vocal in this forum and done a decent job at bashing the results of many small med schools throughout the country, so I thought he should support his swag with a decent defense.
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5 posts? My troll senses are strong with this one.
 
KnuxNole said:
A lot of people, when applying to med school, ONLY apply to their state schools, and when applying to residencies, ONLY apply to their state residencies. I know a ton of people that would hate the thought of moving out of state for school/training...
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F that noise, I'm heading west the first chance I get.
 
Salt Lake City seems like an appealing city 🙂
 
Is it just me or is Mercer's 2015 match list extremely unimpressive?..... https://medicine.mercer.edu/mu-medi...sidency/nrmp2015/upload/Match-Results2015.pdf

Besides from a few really impressive EM matches (Mayo, UT southwestern), a few competitive pre-lim spots, I don't really see anything great. IM matches look decent but nothing top tier in my opinion. Can't really judge peds or FM because I don't know much about either and frankly not interested. A little surprised to see a relatively weak match list because I thought it doesn't really matter which MD school you go to. I'm considering TCMC, which is also another low tier MD school, and that's why I am asking this. Is Mercer's match list weak for MD (in competitiveness metrics only....I'm sure everyone matched at places they love) because the class is small and the school is relatively mission based?
 
cookiemonsters said:
As someone who wants to work in Boston for residency, I too want


This is a lie perpetuated by pre-allo.
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I don't know if it's a "lie" so much as a simplification. Assuming you are a qualified applicant, it's unlikely that the school you go to is going to close any doors to you when it comes time to apply to residency.
 
libraryismyhome said:
Did these student go into any community based residencies or bad ones where they may face uphill battle if they want to do fellowships?

http://hscweb3.hsc.usf.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Copy-of-Match1-2015-Distribution.pdf
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It's a well-regarded state school with a decent but not amazing location. I'd be thrilled to match here for residency, it looks like it has everything in terms of programs and fellowships. Better than FSU and FAU by a mile, but perhaps not as good as UF and Miami.
 
As long as their happy, and fit in with the program. I know for me, I only care about location and fit for program. Then again, prestige/names are good for fellowships(which I refuse to do) and research/academics(Which I hate with a burning passion).
 
WingedOx said:
Yup, I also know a few whose educational background is basically "UToledo undergrad, UToledo med, UToledo Residency, UToledo Faculty."

Some people just like where they're at.
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definition of misery. can't appreciate what you have unless you've experienced something else
 
WingedOx said:
Still I'd rather have a drink with the above than the person who claims they'll become suicidal from boredom if they ever leave NYC/LA.
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absolutely. those people are usually overbearing to nth level and ironically boring
 
Serous Demilune said:
It's a well-regarded state school with a decent but not amazing location. I'd be thrilled to match here for residency, it looks like it has everything in terms of programs and fellowships. Better than FSU and FAU by a mile, but perhaps not as good as UF and Miami.
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USF is basically a solid #3 in FL. The campus is basically the Busch Gardens parking lot, but the hospitals there are really solid. It's a school I wouldn't have a problem at all taking a graduate from.
 
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