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are you worried about my existence because you did your wolf tell?
No. I'm not worried when I'm village and the scum tell has been inaccurate at least twice. I'm worried because of you/past you's history with moon and the content of "your" posts. You shading "your"self by saying he's wolfy as heck isn't enough for me.
 
Now, because I'm simultaneously reading D1 and some current posts, I've seen the genny counterclaim so that shifts things a bit but more just is moving around my village side of the pile and moving moon into the POE. I did see the argument that w!moon suggests v!Geck but I haven't read enough to understand that argument (nor do I want anyone to explain it to me rn, please let me finish evaluating on my own)
Explain your placement of samac and Zenge here for me please?
 
1) No. I'm not worried when I'm village and the scum tell has been inaccurate at least twice.

2) I'm worried because of you/past you's history with moon and the content of "your" posts. You shading "your"self by saying he's wolfy as heck isn't enough for me.
1) I mean, it would be inaccurate twice if you're actually village here lol. Time shall tell.
2) Unfortunately I can't really do much about that one
 
Day 3 Yeet Tally
Gikkle () -
No Yeet (1) - Achro 82
Dubz (2) - Sporty 39, samac 75
moon (3)
- Zenge 46, Dubz 71, Clem 57
Zenge (1) - marmot 37
genny (2) - genny 17, moon 3

9/11
yeet close in ~5.5 hours
 
1) I mean, it would be inaccurate twice if you're actually village here lol. Time shall tell.
I was actually referring to two past games: one where I didn't do it as a wolf and one where I did it as village. I wasn't even including this one.
Anyway I'm still really interested in your other reads. Does this mean you disagree with general thread about Dubz too?
 
I don't think Zenge did anything particularly clearing on D1, and I believe I already quoted posts of his that made me hmm.
samac doesn't get to live in a village world based on D1 play alone.
Okay but I thought you said you were also reading some current posts, so what about those?
 
one where I didn't do it as a wolf and one where I did it as village.
I've established several times in the past that the presence of wolf tell (was) 100% accurate for wolf!PSV, but that the absence does not mean village!PSV. Sensitivity/specificity. So... no.

But I'm not riding my read of you on that at this point, so.
 
Do do you think shin/sporty is a wolf and the last wolf partner is between me and Archo?
You're pretty firmly out of my PoE
My initial confusion regarding the JoAT thing has been mostly alleviated by how townie you've been


I think Marmot/Sporty/Wildzoo/Achro/Clem is sort of where my mind is at wrt a PoE. I don't really believe in a sporty/wildzoo team for reasons already stated, but I'm not sure what the alternative team would be necessarily.
 
Moonster got any questions for me?
Not really. Why do you ask?
I just would have expected you to interact with me more. You are aware of my scum game but I haven't felt like you've been too concerned with me.
Moon is also voting someone I thought was OK earlier

Uh oh
Fair. Well, I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, and I do have thoughts, but sharing them might defeat the purpose, TBH. We could circle back tomorrow?
Yeah but what if I yeet you today because you are giving me the heebies and then there is no tomorrow.
Well, I think that's a bad idea, but you're free to try, I suppose.
Alright

vote: moonster

dont often get invites like that
Instant regret 😔
Idk moon reads kind of frozen to me in regards to me. Asks for a day. I lay out a plan to vote. Instead of discussing stuff just says go ahead and when I do they say regrets

Kinda gonna need moon to start showing some process here
Let's just kill moon and call it a day.

I'm going to go take a nap.
I mean, if you want more with regards to you, IIRC you pocketed me pretty hard in that 12/12, and you're not doing that here. But early on, I had a niggle you decided to pocket Santy instead, and would try to flip him tomorrow if we didn't get a scum today. (I think I agree with Gikkle that you're not w/w, though.) So, that's why I wanted to wait.

Even more than that, I was hoping if I ignored you, the wolves would do me a favor and resolve you N1. :wowee:
So above was moon's reaction to me town reading them for disagreeing about some reads. Then their supposed pathos behind their treatment of me.

I don't understand the first reaction if they are on the lookout for me pocketing them as they say later on. I think this is something scum moon would make up to sound plausible in the face of my scrutiny but their carefree reaction to my earlier town read kind of makes the read feel very scuffed.

I don't have much experience with moon but I am having trouble squaring this as internally consistent. If anyone would like to give it a shot lmk
Looking at Achro's interaction with Moon again

It feels a little fast? Like Achro went in knowing they were going to be scumreading moon at the end

And moon's responses feels like they were purposefully making the weirdest responses (or at least, as if they weren't too concerned about the individual that was actively developing a scumread through their conversation. It's like the opposite of a wolf being overly careful with their wording when arguing with a townie.)

Compare these responses from moonster to other townies pushing them (me, santy, genny) to how they responded to Achromatic:
TBH, I didn't see Gikkle's read post until after I finished that, but even with those disagreements, I still think Gikkle's been towny enough today.



I mean, part of it might just be that genny's aura reads are a bit too... how do I say this non-judgementally... difficult for me to understand? Maybe it's just a different type of vibe read, but I don't get it and it seems really easy to fake. And TBH I don't see any particularly villagery posts on an ISO skim, either.
I was hardly exaggerating; it was a lean scum on 2 posts, I'm not out here death tunneling or anything.

Comparing Santy's entrance to Zenges' (and Dubz' after), it just seemed a bit worse. Neither of them felt the need to immediately explain their (in)activity; Santy doing that at all felt overexplained, regardless of length. But I acknowledged while making the initial read that it could be NAI, so I didn't really walk anywhere to walk back from.
1) Yeah, that's kinda the vibe, on purpose.

2) Honestly not sure how to respond to what appears to be an(other) emoji read?

3) What do you think the towniest post in thread is, then? Because from where I'm sitting, Gikkle gave a non-exhaustive overview of the game, didn't come off as too hedgy or too confrontational, and asked some decent questions. It also doesn't have that wolfy shape of trying to give equal attention to everyone. If it's performative, it's a pretty good show, TBH.
the whole thing feels a bit stage and like moon wasn't too concerned about defending themself from Achromatic

Aside from that, I at least don't think this is an unpairing push by Achromatic. It's by no means the hardest push in the world (moonster easily could have recovered from this if they had any intention to), and I think they could have done this to set up Achro as a deep wolf.
 
the whole thing feels a bit stage and like moon wasn't too concerned about defending themself from Achromatic
staged*

I swear I've made more typos this game than I have in any other game, idk why
 
Blocc:
genny - For obvious reasons.

Samac - Undoubtedly village.

Clem J - reaction to moon’s reveal in the moment and subsequent reaction to genny’s reveal. Clem is a pure soul. I can feel it in my bones.

Block:
Achromatic - In retrospect I can see a village case here, especially post genny’s reveal.

Gikkle - Interactions with moon throughout this game, at the times they happened while not “clearing” reeks of Village green. There’s also the way that Santy’s soft was handled which comes off as villagy. I’d be shook to my core, if this wasn’t a villager.

Neutral:
Mayo/marmot` - Didn’t see enough from Mayo to say much. Marmot`’s presence has been fine, but nothing makes me feel like I can confidently move the needle one way or the other.

WildZoo - Still mulling over the posts. I can follow her train of thought on most of her plays. But they’ve been wrong. Which while not a crime in and of itself, it’s unusual to see village Dubz on the wagon of so many misyeets. I’m not calling Dubz a wolf, but I can’t give her the reading card stamp of approval just yet.

PSV - The last few cycles I haven’t really gotten a good sense of what she’s thinking. Granted it’s been very focused around a few center themes, so I’m sure I’m guilty of this as well. Early play felt good. Just not currently sure in a stagnated thread state.

Shinichi/Sporty - I wanted to give Shinichi the benefit of the doubt on some of our actions and tried to make a village case for them playing the way they did, but I definitely wasn’t reading them village super strongly. Since there was a substitution here, I’ll reserve judgement until post-catch up, and more live play has occurred in a less stagnant cycle.

Wolf:
Moonstermash - For obvious reasons.
 
I wanted to give Shinichi the benefit of the doubt on some of our actions and tried to make a village case for them playing the way they did, but I definitely wasn’t reading them village super strongly.
can you point to where this is the case? Because I just read a post from you that was not very suggestive of that.
 
Here is the back and forth with Shinichi and I.

Shinichi’s vote, reasoning, explanations, and supposed suspicion is incredibly manufactured and outright lying at points:
This sums it up
 
Unyeet Shinichi

I think it’s a fair possibility to consider they came into the thread, made a snap judgement about something that was woefully incorrect, and didn’t have the time, or didn’t put in the leg work to evaluate properly.

So their push on me was unfounded and misguided but not necessarily motivated from a wolf’s perspective.
That’s this one then
 
WildZoo - Still mulling over the posts. I can follow her train of thought on most of her plays. But they’ve been wrong. Which while not a crime in and of itself, it’s unusual to see village Dubz on the wagon of so many misyeets. I’m not calling Dubz a wolf, but I can’t give her the reading card stamp of approval just yet.
Respectfully, I'm not sure you remember what village Dubz plays like if this is an honest assessment :laugh:

and also so many??

Unless you know something I don't, I've been wrong once.
 
@Gikkle I was in the middle of writing you a response but Dubz's last post reminded me that I'm BOTHERED by how many times Zenge has flip flopped his read on Dubz this game.

Dude yoinked out his motheaten reading permit practically on page 1 to call her village and now she's not
Have you made it into day 2 yet? Cause I can’t wait to see your read on zenge then
I would also imagine it would be easier for wolf!zenge to call dubz village and call it a day
 
Respectfully, I'm not sure you remember what village Dubz plays like if this is an honest assessment :laugh:

and also so many??

Unless you know something I don't, I've been wrong once.
Oh I forgot you weren’t on MKG’s vote. :eggface:
 
1) I thought your reasons were scattered across your posts? Unless you put them all in one post and I didn't notice it

2) hmmm
I'd like to hear your reasons now please
would make it easier to read you
1) Yeah that's fair. Zenge did nothing D1 that I felt was clearing, and I disagree that his back and forth with Achro felt wholesome or whatever conclusion everyone else drew from that. I believe I also pinged posts during my pbpa yesterday that made me pause, but frankly cannot remember which ones those were. samac I largely have no concrete reason to read wolf, but I never do. No one ever does. I agree with the vast majority of her posts. I do feel surprised at how easily influenced by other people's reads she's seemed to be, because I don't recall that from village!samac, but I'll be the first to admit that my view of village!samac may be unfairly obstinate. PSV did her wolf tell, her entry to the thread was lackluster, and I don't know that I believe her following posts have made up for that. I'd like to read back and check on a meta thing regarding her forming independent reads and how she does that as a wolf and village but I don't think I have time for that this game.

2) i have seen no marmot posts, so my read on that slot is based 100% on the single post mayo made D1 and as stated previously (I was responding to Dubz), feel that wolf!mayo would have attempted to push a better believable effort in that post. Dubz is mostly a gut read (not even a tone read).

@WildZoo speaking of which, you haven't been snarky this game so ngl I'm a little worried that's why I'm village reading you.

I'm on the fence about Clem pushing against the moon reveal but that's pretty WIFOM, I think Occam's Razor leans him to the village side of neutral. I am not historically a good independent read of him.
 
IM SORRY
I THOUGHT I HAD IT
CAUSE I GOT TOO GOOD OF A VILLAGE READ ON HER LAST TIME
Tell me now, was @Animal Midwife in your role PM watching you sus MK like:
Do It Episode 3 GIF by Star Wars
 
Dude yoinked out his motheaten reading permit practically on page 1 to call her village and now she's not
I think he's nicer to me when he's scummy? but It's been a while since we've both lived long enough in that scenario for it to come up

Anyway back to driving
 
I am feeling very, very rusty and very, very tired this game so I'm trying to drag together scraps of memory about meta because I finally felt I was reading Dubz well before I faded into retirement. I just can't remember the precise manner of play wolf!Dubz does that's on the tip of my brain, and I can't remember what game it was where she did that.

The thing that *could* be useful is the fact that Dubz generally will try to drag people off her packmates' yeets. But moon revealed in a somewhat volatile D1 gamestate where I don't think Dubz's hand would've really been forced to do that no matter what.
 
Frankly I still feel pretty good about voting Achro, though I also think the case on Gikkle is solid. I at least am reasonably confident those two are not paired so if Gikkle flips scum it probably resolves Achro or vice versa. I still find Stagg scummy.
I actually don't have genny in townreads per se. At least, not towncore. But I still think she's likely village.
Santy, you, samac, and Zenge I feel strongly about being village. moon I believe is probably telling the truth about being the doctor and being busy.
Anyone not mentioned has slipped my mind and/or I have no strong feelings
(this post is PSV in response to Dubz)
What has taken, in your mind, Dubz from "strongly village" here to wolfy today?
 
I've only played with her a couple times (or once? idk the number is small) and I honestly don't remember that much other than sussing her early on and being wrong so I'm probably not the best person to judge. That said, I haven't been as eager to yeet based on what's been pointed out. I'm more keen to go after the devil I know, which kinda feels like mkg right now.
is this about moon? Who is "her"?
 
god I wish mafia didn’t have a blocker or we’d map out who to track and who to block tonight
But it would just put the tracker to the mafia blocker and ruin that
Booo mafia blocker
 
god I wish mafia didn’t have a blocker or we’d map out who to track and who to block tonight
But it would just put the tracker to the mafia blocker and ruin that
Booo mafia blocker
Might be worth mapping out the plan regardless in the event Moon is the blocker, no?
 
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