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[Zenge142]

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Honestly, I didn't keep up well after I claimed, so IDK what you mean here. Can you elaborate on this/link any previous thoughts? I'll probably go back and (re)read EOD properly later, though, so no pressure.

Here is the back and forth with Shinichi and I.

Shinichi’s vote, reasoning, explanations, and supposed suspicion is incredibly manufactured and outright lying at points:

Spoiler

Vote: Zenge

Not sure I understand the ### stuff, but anyways I both wanna provide some pressure to this slot and outlined on my recent posts regarding the slot I am learning more towards them being red.

What pressure exactly are you hoping to apply here?

I’ve been up front with all of my reads.

You’ve yet to engage with me in any meaningful way.

Voting me to

Doesn’t make any kind of sense, given my thread activity and your lack of engagement with my slot

I mean me engaging or not engaging your post changes nothing. I got to my read by reading your posts and what others have said on your slot.

Me directly interacting or therefore lack of doesn't change anything.

Can you highlight anything specifically?

Like specifically this interaction with achro is what I find off putting about your slot.

What specifically about the interaction?

Your response to achro felt like mafia crying about why the slot wont town read you like the rest.

Can you quote a specific post that you felt I was

“Crying about why they wouldn’t town read me”

i already did?? twice already

This is the quote I found that you quoted where you supposedly walked away with the feeling I was a wolf complaining to Achro about not getting town read.



I’m very plainly saying I don’t like that Achro has zero reads outside of me, and has a plan of “just sleeping whoever.

Your sus on me from this point is entirely manufactured.

Yeet Sinechi

u never mention anything about his other reads, outside of talking about a tunnel

 

[Santygrass]

Yeet Clem

Explain math thingy you mentioned. ANd why you only said that and dipped off thread (When flip was posted you reacted to it so I take it you where kinda around at the time so just weirded out on what was on your mind at EoD)

 

[Santygrass]

Moon who did you protect?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Shini (1) - Zenge 2
Clem (1) - Santy 4

2/13
yeet close in ~34.5 hours

 

[Santygrass]

@Achromatic current thoughts on moon?

 

[Santygrass]

Also, while I could say I agree with what @potentialsheltervet said about Achro at EoD seemed like good points and I think Achro needs to be more discussed. I am a bit wary of why you didnt vote for mkg and tried to do a cfd like... 10 minutes before day was over. You really thought after all the day of discussion you would come in and in 10 minutes just do a big shift ?

If that would've happened it'd be just bad play from town. And idk if it was like -5 min til close and the wagons being tied at shinichi-mkg , you saying you suspected mkg and you were going to let it rand??

 

[Santygrass]

Also, while I could say I agree with what @potentialsheltervet said about Achro at EoD seemed like good points and I think Achro needs to be more discussed. I am a bit wary of why you didnt vote for mkg and tried to do a cfd like... 10 minutes before day was over. You really thought after all the day of discussion you would come in and in 10 minutes just do a big shift ?

If that would've happened it'd be just bad play from town. And idk if it was like -5 min til close and the wagons being tied at shinichi-mkg , you saying you suspected mkg and you were going to let it rand??

Currently debating myselg if thats is wolfy from psv or I'm being stuck and letting influence my view of psv with what I consider a non protown move (but doesnt mean its wolfy )

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet Clem

Explain math thingy you mentioned. ANd why you only said that and dipped off thread (When flip was posted you reacted to it so I take it you where kinda around at the time so just weirded out on what was on your mind at EoD)

Can you walk me through Clem?

I just don’t feel like there’s a solid case here. I mean there’s not a strong village case or anything, but it’s not like Clemy Clemy Bo Blemy is howling

 

[Zenge142]

Moon who did you protect?

I’d be shocked if moon wasn’t blocked, given there’s a mafia blocker in all setups.

The target choice is still an interesting piece of information though.

 

[Santygrass]

Can you walk me through Clem?

I just don’t feel like there’s a solid case here. I mean there’s not a strong village case or anything, but it’s not like Clemy Clemy Bo Blemy is howling

I also dont think I have a strong case. But still want to figure him.out and just the timing of their interactions on thread just pings me a lot so its a priority to me to figure out

 

[Zenge142]

the timing of their interactions on thread just pings me a lot

Is Wolf!Clem known for being Johnny On The Spot with weirdly timed posts?

 

[Santygrass]

Is Wolf!Clem known for being Johnny On The Spot with weirdly timed posts?

I dont think so?
But I know Clem logic can be weird, but usually there is *some* to it.
Wolf!Clem can be weird but at the end of day he has an agenda with what he does.

 

[Santygrass]

Also I forgot about there being blockers and tot having really risk in who to kill.
Was thinking that maybe the space kill was to avoid targeting same target as moon hmmm

 

[supershorty]

tot having really risk in who to kill.

As a frequent tot, the risk of who to kill is, indeed, frequently weighing on me.

jk always shoot Lawpy in tot chat, that's the law.

I miss Lawpy 🙁

 

[Santygrass]

I'm off to bed, but I like the vibe from the single holdthemayo post I read.

It may be due to the fact that I detest mayo, it may be to my perception of inquisitiveness from that person. You may never know.

(Copy-pasta from opening post because I know I'll forget someone otherwise)
Clem J - I only remember this person calling out DubZ (which took me a while to figure out was wildzoo) and reinforcing that read based on prior game history.
Santygrass- probably town based on vibes. I'll have a better handle on this person come day 2.
mkg323 - rvs posts felt very free-flowy. I could be biased since they called me towny or towny-looking or some other variation adjacent to that, but I'm not looking to yeet there today.
potentialsheltervet- I only remember this person have fewer than a dozen posts and I cannot for the life of me remember any of the content therein. I don't know if they ever posted after the RVS
moonstermash- I remember not liking them much in the rvs, liking them afterwards and having no recollection of why I had feelings either way. Currently thinking town because I haven't put additional thought into it.
samac- my top town, despite their protestations
holdthemayo - I can't remember but one post mayo made, but I liked it. I wouldn't hold onto that read if I don't see more, but I'm liking it for now.
Zenge142 - probably my biggest person to suspect, and it's not a lot behind it.
genny - null, but I feel like Genny is friendly and regardless of alignment is going to pocket me
WildZoo - I feel like I've seen "DubZ's" posts a lot, and I should have a firmer grasp on where they are, but I guess it feels kinda like treading water. This is the slot I would wager I need to spend the most time assessing.
Stagg737 - this is someone I find I will likely tunnel if I don't see something different from them. At first glance, their style like the type I will have trouble seeing as towny.
ShinichiMD - the difference between shinichi and someone like mayo is that shinichi just checked in and did/said nothing
Gikkle - maybe scum? There's a lot of world's I'm building around their flip, and that's probably unfair because there's only been 1 or 2 moments of "huh? This is scummy"
Achromatic - lean town due to general vibing, despite a hiccup here or there.

I think my gikkle suspicion is latched in my head despite the fact that someone posted out my original reasoning was my mistake.

So at this point I've attributed something to gikkle that was said by another and I need to figure out my error.

I was not inclined to vote for a 2-poster, but by the time shinichi had returned to make a few more posts, I could see some level of towniness and inquisition that made me firmly say "not today."

I even quoted what post I liked, but I don't remember which one and since I've been spoiled by other sites' ISO functions, I am going to be lazy and not look for it right now.

People I would not vote for today (unordered/untiered)
Samac
Shinichi
Achro

People I would like to vote for today (also unordered/untiered)
Zenge
Moon (I find myself mostly agreeing with others, so this is a coward's choice)
Clem (very meh both on first pass and reread)

Santy is a not today and I think I'm blinded by OMGUS on stagg

I have a bad habit of not believing PR claims to my detriment.

 

[Zenge142]

I dont think so?
But I know Clem logic can be weird, but usually there is *some* to it.
Wolf!Clem can be weird but at the end of day he has an agenda with what he does.

What about Wolf!Nanook, Clem’s secret alter-ego?

 

[Santygrass]

What about Wolf!Nanook, Clem’s secret alter-ego?

He plays very similarly to wolf!clem oddly enough!!

 

[Santygrass]

I think I should reassess Gikkle in the circle of trust today.
Also psv but for EoD reasons and maybe my snap judgement being wrong. I'll mull over it
@Zenge142 what do you think about psv?

Rn I think I trust

Samac
genny

Zenge

In that order as my most confident trs

 

[Santygrass]

Also another food for thought is that we could be in a setup *without* a doctor.

Mafia should be able to know that. And town in general does not, if I'm not missing anything from the setup table. Like, even a town PR has at least a setup in where they are with a town doctor, and unless another PR claims they wont be able to know it?

 

[samac]

Dead is @Spacecamp Trinity, vanilla townie

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Roster
1. @Clem J
2. @Santygrass
4. @potentialsheltervet
5. @moonstermash
6. @samac
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Zenge142
9. @genny
10. @WildZoo
11. @Stagg737
12. @ShinichiMD
13. @Gikkle
14. @Achromatic

Huh.

 

[samac]

Also very glad @samac lived too!

See you're alive !! I'm not mafia B)
Rep plot armor comes through

😎
I thought you’d be dead tbh

 

[Santygrass]

😎
I thought you’d be dead tbh

I thought so too! But mafia clearly is trusting in my skill issue

 

[samac]

I need to clarify something.
It can be any row or column but not a combo right

 

[Santygrass]

@holdthemayo hi please post more

 

[Santygrass]

I need to clarify something.
It can be any row or column but not a combo right

Nope.

Its either a row, or a column. Not combo or any ****ery.

So 10 possible setups

 

[Santygrass]

On a read of space post, what feels notable to me is

- Suspicion on Gikkle
- Giving Shinichi a pass
- Probably the only slot that townleaned Mayo
- Suspicion on Zenge
- Suspicion on moon (even after claim)
- Samac top town
- Stagg townlean to then sus by omgus

 

[Santygrass]

Yeah, in my intro post:

1) Vet = type of doctor
2) Education = thing doctors need

Also, I said a couple places that it would be a bad idea to yeet me.

Also @moonstermash how serious is this post?

I cant possibly believe you thought that mentioning the sub-forum.name and 'education' was breadcrumbing your pr right?

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 what do you think about psv?

Currently village leaning but honestly not enough has been posted to get the best sense.

But not really finding much to stray from my village lean.

 

[Zenge142]

Nope.

Its either a row, or a column. Not combo or any ****ery.

So 10 possible setups

I made the same mistake as @samac but backwards.

I assumed it was only rows.

 

[Santygrass]

On a read of space post, what feels notable to me is

- Suspicion on Gikkle
- Giving Shinichi a pass
- Probably the only slot that townleaned Mayo
- Suspicion on Zenge
- Suspicion on moon (even after claim)
- Samac top town
- Stagg townlean to then sus by omgus

Space being the nightkill doesnt mean these are all true. Always the mafia kill involves a lot of WIFOM, but being the n1 I think their reads were right in some ways (apart from not having much suspicion cast on them, but there were other slots seen as towny that were not killed so food for thought)

 

[Santygrass]

Unyeet Clem
Yeet Achromatic

 

[Stagg737]

Skimming Melee right now. @samac , I did find you sus but mostly because of the "Huh" response which was cleared up. You're always a little sketch to me early, but it has felt different this game. Not sure if it's d/t champs rep armor or something else, but something that I'm still mulling over.

 

[Santygrass]

I think the reaction to moon claim felt the fakest when I think about it .

Maybe I'm being stubborn but still kinda feel moon might be wolf. But with claim dont think is good idea to push there because it'll eventually resolve in late if true/fake ? I think.

And wether moon is town or scum I think Achro seems bad in both worlds

 

[Santygrass]

unvote: moon

People really gotta stop playing like scared kittens with prs geesh it always ducks my radar

Like, I dont really think moon's play or reads on them were much affected or came from the place of "they are being reserved" or any adjective that would make sense if they are a PR.

Both me and you caught onto something that made their view of the game inconsistent / weird. I think that has nothing to do with being a PR or not so idk how real it feels to just accept it as moon being obviously a doctor here and being a PR the reason the read was wrong

 

[Santygrass]

Maybe I should've waited Achro to come to thread and give thoughts as I intended before jumping, but im bored at work waaahhhhh

*Rolls around on the floor like a goblin*

 

[Santygrass]

Skimming Melee right now. @samac , I did find you sus but mostly because of the "Huh" response which was cleared up. You're always a little sketch to me early, but it has felt different this game. Not sure if it's d/t champs rep armor or something else, but something that I'm still mulling over.

And about me ??? 😛leading eyes:

 

[supershorty]

Maybe I should've waited Achro to come to thread and give thoughts as I intended before jumping, but im bored at work waaahhhhh

*Rolls around on the floor like a goblin*

I'm at home sick today so I feel ya

 

[Santygrass]

I'm at home sick today so I feel ya

I hope you're in bed. If not, go to bed

 

[Santygrass]

Oh

I woke up way too early, and now I just want to go back to bed TBH. 😴

Honestly, I didn't keep up well after I claimed, so IDK what you mean here. Can you elaborate on this/link any previous thoughts? I'll probably go back and (re)read EOD properly later, though, so no pressure.

Moon entrance today. No mention on what they tried to do in the night, or if they were blocked or anything.

Is this too sketchy to be a wolf? Wah

 

[Santygrass]

Moon entrance today. No mention on what they tried to do in the night, or if they were blocked or anything.

Is this too sketchy to be a wolf? Wah

Like, If I put myself in the shoes of a Doctor who claimed D1, and had an action the following night after almost being yeeted idk I maybe expect to be more talkative about what happened in the night? No reason to really hide it at this point no?

And also being the PR that claimed the night you had s big target on your back, but moon felt pretty chill / almost unaware of them being in danger hmmm

 

[Santygrass]

Maybe it wasnt maths what made the claimed slot to be a correct, but preserving my mental sanity was :hmmyes:

 

[Stagg737]

I think the reaction to moon claim felt the fakest when I think about it .

Maybe I'm being stubborn but still kinda feel moon might be wolf. But with claim dont think is good idea to push there because it'll eventually resolve in late if true/fake ? I think.

And wether moon is town or scum I think Achro seems bad in both worlds

Want to ponder Achro more, but I'm not convinced Moon is village for reasons you've stated.

In terms of melee comparison, you were a bit different. You immediately voted genny and gave a list of reads fairly early (pg 5, but there were 2-3 pages of s***-posting about food and Samac eating 3 Musketeers like a serial killer). You were not handing out townreads and seemed to be prodding more. This game you seemed to be much more focused on just townreading people and giving context on the non-SDN players. Ways to be "helpful" without actually being helpful. So I will defend that you were different early on from what I expect.

That being said, I feel much better with your play yesterday and today. I'm seeing the game solving I expect and I think your assessment of PSV's moves and trying to keep things less chaotic at close reads village to me.

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet Stagg

Gonna try to reread things a bit here.

@Zenge142 have you talked about your shinichi case in depth anywhere?

 

[WildZoo]

Moon entrance today. No mention on what they tried to do in the night, or if they were blocked or anything.

Is this too sketchy to be a wolf? Wah

Would they even know if they were blocked?

I was gonna say it might be better to hold onto that info but then I realized doctor isn't on the non-consecutive list so nvm

 

[Stagg737]

Maybe I should've waited Achro to come to thread and give thoughts as I intended before jumping, but im bored at work waaahhhhh

*Rolls around on the floor like three goblins*

Ftfy

 

[Stagg737]

And also being the PR that claimed the night you had s big target on your back, but moon felt pretty chill / almost unaware of them being in danger hmmm

I think this is doubly true knowing that self-targeting with abilities is prohibited...

Yeet Stagg

Gonna try to reread things a bit here.

@Zenge142 have you talked about your shinichi case in depth anywhere?

Come on now, you know this is wrong now.

 

[WildZoo]

On a read of space post, what feels notable to me is

- Suspicion on Gikkle
- Giving Shinichi a pass
- Probably the only slot that townleaned Mayo
- Suspicion on Zenge
- Suspicion on moon (even after claim)
- Samac top town
- Stagg townlean to then sus by omgus

I liked this post and then I had immediate PTSD about last game's failed night kill analysis

 

[WildZoo]

Come on now, you know this is wrong now.

What, because I'm alive?

 

[Santygrass]

Would they even know if they were blocked?

I was gonna say it might be better to hold onto that info but then I realized doctor isn't on the non-consecutive list so nvm

Another little nitpick that I have is that the role is "Odd Night Doctor" and they claimed "town doctor" .

*Keeps rolling on the floor embracing paraboia and insanity*

 

[Stagg737]

Vote Moon

Until further evidence/discussion I'm not convinced about their town doc claim. I think they were caught and needed something fairly convincing to claim. The point that wolves could also likely determine which row/column is in play gives them an advantage on fake-claiming.