Michigan vs. Vanderbilt

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I have been very fortunate to be offered admission to both Vanderbilt and University of Michigan. I really liked both schools when I visited for interviews and right now am having a tough time articulating a preference for one over the other.

I know I have several months before I need to choose (as well as second look weekends and financial aid packages to consider) but am curious as to others opinions (pros/cons, etc) about each school. I don't have very many pre-med friends so it would be nice to hear something other than "Vandy! Nashville is so much warmer!" 😛

BTW, I am very research-oriented and plan on pursuing a career in academic medicine. Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Congrats on the acceptances!!

For academic medicine, both are great schools. They will both provide you with tremendous opportunities for research. Both have sports, a great student life, and are highly ranked. Good clinicals too.

Honestly, the main difference I can see between the two would be the location. I would pick Michigan, because I don't really want to be in Nashville. Additionally, Michigan might have a slight edge in terms of being a bigger name school (this could be attributed to the perception of Michigan's undergrad being better).

Go with your gut feeling. I really don't think you can go wrong with either of the two.
 
I was accepted to Michigan as well. I received an interview invite from Vanderbilt but I withdrew. My impression of Michigan is that the faculty and the school is very invested in students success. Michigan also has a very powerful alumni association. And the other divisions (including alumni and staff) are a great resource. I would say they are both excellent programs, but Michigan is a few points above Vanderbilt in rankings.

My advice to you is to wait for the gwap (AKA money). I hear that Vandy is very good with scholarships and stuff. Also, looking at the match data for both school and see which one does better in your chosen (or intended specialty).
 
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Go to Michigan! Best school ever. Seriously, they're like #1. You should go there.
 
Go to Michigan! Best school ever. Seriously, they're like #1. You should go there.

Someone's looking to get off the waitlist at Vandy 🙄

To the OP, both are amazing schools. Go where you'll be happier. As far as opportunities in academic medicine, you'll get that coming from either school. I think it's WHAT you do in med school and not as much WHERE you go, esp. when you're comparing the top 20-25 schools. You'll have virtually the same research opportunities at all of them. Again, go with soft factors on this one bc both schools are academically/clinically equal imo. Congrats on the acceptances! 👍
 
Cheaper school or gut feeling.
 
Someone's looking to get off the waitlist at Vandy 🙄

😛 you see through my motives too easily!

seriously OP just go wherever you'll be happy. hit up second looks and see which one's a better fit if you can't remember the details of what you liked/disliked from your interview day.
 
Ask yourself if you can stand the cold winter in Michigan...If not, then UM is out🙂
 
Ask yourself if you could stand watching Michigan football? Personally, I could not. Vanderbilt is up and down in football but people at Vanderbilt don't take it seriously. Michigan takes itself very seriously in football but seems to forget that Bo is dead and is not likely to be resurrected from the grave.

The girls at Vanderbilt are much better looking. Faculty at Vanderbilt is very friendly and invested in their students success.

Ultimately, if I had to make this decision, it would be financial. Follow the money.
 
Michigan. More stuff to do, better football program. Like the guy above said, yeah they suck right now, but they're bound to turn it around eventually.
 
Vandy. easily.
 
Ok, so I don't know much about UMich other than it's a great public school with crazed football fans, but I'm going to make a list of what I think of Vandy and hopefully people who are trying to pick between Vandy and school X will find it useful.

1) Nashville IS warmer than Michigan. That's all I'm going to say about it cause I could care less about weather.

2) Our campus is beautiful (this makes a difference to me), and everything is super close by. ALL of the affiliated hospitals are within a few feet of one another. This matters when you're a third year and you dont want to be driving like crazy between rotations, or don't want to move from your apartment close to school.

3) Nashville is an actual city. I really wanted to stay away from college-only towns because hanging out with undergrads now seems a little sketchy to me. I like that there are adults with normal jobs around, and there's a lot of cultural stuff (museums, theaters, etc etc). But the area around Vandy has tons of collegey things as well so cheap bars and all that are still around. Also, we're in the SEC so if you really want to watch good sports, you can...we won't win, but we do play good teams 🙂

4) Having a private school to back you is kinda handy. Vandy has TONS of money, which translates well as far as scholarships and opportunities. There really isn't anything we've asked for that we haven't received. Our professors used to bring us breakfast to all our exams, for example. We get tons of free swag. In more practical terms, we get research stipends over the summer, and they fix anything that we don't like. Want new, fancier printers with free printing? We had them within the week. Sick of the student lounge? They're remaking it for us. I can't tell you how nice it is not to worry about the situation with the state losing funding and us getting shafted.

5) I LOVE the music scene. Granted, I don't have tons of time to go downtown, but it's pretty awesome that I can drive 5 minutes and have my pick of about 10 live shows everywhere. No, it's not just country. I actually don't like country, and that hasn't been a problem at all. Nashville has a ton of music producers, which means that singers of all sorts come here to be discovered. I love that I can go to any restaurant and listen to an awesome band.

6) Now, as for Vandy itself. The school is awesome. They don't have the "happiest students in the nation" for nothing. I could talk forever about how great and nice and lovely everyone is here. Wellness is a huge priority. Our deans are the best and they know us all by name. My classmates are incredibly cool and very, very different from one another. We're geographically from all over the place. We have tons of fun together.

7) As for research/academia we're in the top 10 for NIH funding, and we have a required research project, as well as opportunities to take a whole year to do it if you'd like. I'm pretty sure everyone ends up specializing and most go into academia. Our peeps match everywhere so I'm pretty sure there's no issue with the fact that we're in the south and aren't a massive school. I like our size anyway.

Anyway, feel free to ask any questions about Vandy. I really have no idea how UMich is so please no one take my comments to mean that I don't think UMich has these pros. I'm sure they do. Ultimately, you have an awesome choice to make, and I strongly suggest you visit both second looks and wait until financial aid to make your final decision. Hope to see you here!
 
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nice post ButImLETired. lots of useful info there. thx for the time
 
One thing you should keep in mind is what region of the country you plan on doing your residency in, simply because the location of your medical school will matter much more than the name of your medical school when all is said and done. That's especially true when considering schools like these, because both Vandy and UM are terrific programs and will give you the same opportunities to succeed provided that you'd feel comfortable and happy at both.

I'm a 4th year at Michigan and was accepted at Vandy, as well. If it makes any difference to you, I haven't had any problems getting interviews in the South or East coast in a very competitive specialty, however the West coast has been pretty tough. I would imagine that this would hold true for students at Vandy, as well.

My main reasons for choosing Michigan were the following:

1. The most important element of your education = clinical medicine (i.e. 3rd year). In this regard, it just doesn't get any better than what we have at Michigan. Great faculty across the board that are approachable on the whole. Also translates to big names when it comes time to get LORs.

At your level it's hard to evaluate this stuff because all you're familiar with is studying in a library and taking some exams. That's really not at all what being a doctor is like, and the people that work around you and with you will determine your happiness to a great extent. But speaking of exams...

2. The first two years. They're awesome at UM. Strictly P/F, just need a 75 to pass. And don't worry about busting your ass for Step 1 at this phase - most of what you learn in the first two years of medical school isn't useful. You just need to get through it and learn what you'll need for boards, and Michigan does that incredibly well while also giving you plenty of time to enjoy yourself. Everyone here does a ton of stuff outside of med school. While things might have changed at Vandy since the time I applied, I didn't get the impression that the first two years were as laid back there.

Because it's totally P/F at UM, you have zero competition with fellow classmates. Everyone's out to help everyone else. I cannot think of a single instance of anyone screwing anyone over in the entire time I've been a medical student here.

3. Ann Arbor. Seriously, I came from a big city for undergrad and was worried about the whole midwest thing, but I have grown to really like it here. There might not be 25 different sushi restaurants to check out, but there are a handful of good ones. There's plenty of stuff to do outdoors in terms of parks, trails for running and biking, great golf (that's also cheap). The winters do suck. No doubt about it. But spring, summer, and fall are that much sweeter for it (and seriously, they're great).

4. Gut feeling. People are just nice here. Ultimately, I feel like this is what really matters at the end of the day, because if you're not going to be happy somewhere, it's not worth losing four years of your life over it.

I have no incentive in you choosing to come to Michigan rather than going to Vandy, and I certainly have nothing bad to say about Vandy (terrific program on the whole), however I can honestly say that I would choose to go to Michigan all over again.

Good luck in your decision and congrats on having two (or more) great acceptances. 👍
 
Oh, and feel free to PM me with any questions you might have. Same goes to anyone else that might have questions about Michigan.
 
One thing you should keep in mind is what region of the country you plan on doing your residency in, simply because the location of your medical school will matter much more than the name of your medical school when all is said and done. That's especially true when considering schools like these, because both Vandy and UM are terrific programs and will give you the same opportunities to succeed provided that you'd feel comfortable and happy at both.

I'm a 4th year at Michigan and was accepted at Vandy, as well. If it makes any difference to you, I haven't had any problems getting interviews in the South or East coast in a very competitive specialty, however the West coast has been pretty tough. I would imagine that this would hold true for students at Vandy, as well.

My main reasons for choosing Michigan were the following:

1. The most important element of your education = clinical medicine (i.e. 3rd year). In this regard, it just doesn't get any better than what we have at Michigan. Great faculty across the board that are approachable on the whole. Also translates to big names when it comes time to get LORs.

At your level it's hard to evaluate this stuff because all you're familiar with is studying in a library and taking some exams. That's really not at all what being a doctor is like, and the people that work around you and with you will determine your happiness to a great extent. But speaking of exams...

2. The first two years. They're awesome at UM. Strictly P/F, just need a 75 to pass. And don't worry about busting your ass for Step 1 at this phase - most of what you learn in the first two years of medical school isn't useful. You just need to get through it and learn what you'll need for boards, and Michigan does that incredibly well while also giving you plenty of time to enjoy yourself. Everyone here does a ton of stuff outside of med school. While things might have changed at Vandy since the time I applied, I didn't get the impression that the first two years were as laid back there.

Because it's totally P/F at UM, you have zero competition with fellow classmates. Everyone's out to help everyone else. I cannot think of a single instance of anyone screwing anyone over in the entire time I've been a medical student here.

3. Ann Arbor. Seriously, I came from a big city for undergrad and was worried about the whole midwest thing, but I have grown to really like it here. There might not be 25 different sushi restaurants to check out, but there are a handful of good ones. There's plenty of stuff to do outdoors in terms of parks, trails for running and biking, great golf (that's also cheap). The winters do suck. No doubt about it. But spring, summer, and fall are that much sweeter for it (and seriously, they're great).

4. Gut feeling. People are just nice here. Ultimately, I feel like this is what really matters at the end of the day, because if you're not going to be happy somewhere, it's not worth losing four years of your life over it.

I have no incentive in you choosing to come to Michigan rather than going to Vandy, and I certainly have nothing bad to say about Vandy (terrific program on the whole), however I can honestly say that I would choose to go to Michigan all over again.

Good luck in your decision and congrats on having two (or more) great acceptances. 👍

Just wanted to address that really quickly.

When this poster applied, the curriculum was different. My class is the third to have the new curriculum, which is also P/F (and for our anatomy/physiology/embryology class, pass is a 60!) so while I have no idea if it was more competitive 4 years ago, I can tell you sincerely that it's entirely non-competitive now, and totally laid back. This goes for everyone by the way- go to a pass/fail school. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

Also, since they changed the curriculum, our Step 1 scores, which were absurdly high to begin with, skyrocketed. This year the average was 245, which is higher than the average step 1 score for plastic surgery residency, according to our dean of students. Obviously this is one of those unofficial numbers that aren't written anywhere so y'all have no reason to believe me, but I can tell you that's what I heard.

But yeah, again, U Mich also sounds totally awesome 😀
 
This year the average was 245, which is higher than the average step 1 score for plastic surgery residency, according to our dean of students. Obviously this is one of those unofficial numbers that aren't written anywhere so y'all have no reason to believe me, but I can tell you that's what I heard.

That's the third different number I've heard for Vandy this year (including the second number I've heard from you I believe...)
 
isn't vanderbilt only p/f during year 1? I thought it switches to h/p/f in year 2.
 
That's the third different number I've heard for Vandy this year (including the second number I've heard from you I believe...)

Hahaha really? This is the number I heard. I'm sorry if I misquoted it before. As I said, these numbers aren't official so people often hear them from various people. This one came from the dean!
 
isn't vanderbilt only p/f during year 1? I thought it switches to h/p/f in year 2.

This is true. From what I hear about year 2 though the addition of honors makes zero difference. I think it's only for like, the top 10% of the class, and since they've given us a lot of speeches about how pre-clinical grades really don't make much of a difference as far as residencies are concerned there are very few people willing to put in the work to be in the top 10%, and those are the same people who aced the tests during first year anyway (super self-motivated, great test-takers, all that good stuff). So it doesn't ramp up competition because for the most part, no one cares about the Honors, especially since there are really only 2 classes in the second year. It's just not worth it.
 
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