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I will start off my Paws Iso bye saying I think its weird that she just dropped the whole !!!!! post styled D1, but I think its NAI.
I dropped it yesterday cuz i was busy and didn't want to deal, but then today it was painful to reread day one, i wanted to lynch myself, so i didn't restart it. I have always maintained it was NAI either way
 
I was weirded out by you switching from barks for no apparent reason (still none apparently) to following barks onto the 3m lynch
My reason is I wanted to make a 3-way tie and see who broke it and in which direction. Unfortunately it wasn’t as productive as I’d hoped since you broke it as one of the tied people and didn’t self prez which is a pretty weird move in hindsight so I guess I could probably glean something there if I tried but I was hoping to either see an obvious swap the way Kota did which would’ve suggested a wolf up for lynch or very tight wagons which would’ve suggested v/v/v. Which reminds me, why didn’t you vote to self prez?
 
My reason is I wanted to make a 3-way tie and see who broke it and in which direction. Unfortunately it wasn’t as productive as I’d hoped since you broke it as one of the tied people and didn’t self prez which is a pretty weird move in hindsight so I guess I could probably glean something there if I tried but I was hoping to either see an obvious swap the way Kota did which would’ve suggested a wolf up for lynch or very tight wagons which would’ve suggested v/v/v. Which reminds me, why didn’t you vote to self prez?
because this game makes me tired and I wasn't sure i cared if i got lynched. I also didn't feel like 3m was the right vote option. After the fact, I wish i had voted for barks because the post that made me vote mpm makes a lot more sense after taking the time to reread it in context
 
Honestly I’m trying to reconcile how wolfy Kota feels with her position on the SAR wagon. Like I’m not sure I can see a world where wolves would have decided to sacrifice SAR to send a noob into bussing territory and that seems awfully bold to try to do, but something just feels weird...
Didn't Erio or someone bus caiter last game?
 
So here is my genny iso, it's pretty long so I am putting it in a spoiler.
First in my genny ISO, this exchange between Paws and Genny stood out. I find it rather weird. Maybe its just joking around since the game just started, but I think it's an odd exchange:








Also in these posts, genny is a little inconsistent with the following:


She asked about being Lynch proof, and then a few posts after said that that she doesn't deserve any special treatment this game.

Next, many of Genny's posts are similar to the following and lack substance other then jabs towards others or sarcasm:





Lastly, when I asked if they had any reads on people, this was their initial response

When I continued to push them they said the following


Her reads are as follows:




She doesn't really give much reasoning as to why she feels some players are wolfy and other's aren't, except regarding wondering which she also mentioned earlier:


The Doggo/Sar/Suni read was more restating what happened, which was helpful but did not give insight into what she was thinking regarding the 2 that were still alive. Additionally, her reasoning for lynching Barks was just because they didn't sound as village as BC or Wondering, and she didn't really give reasonings or examples as to why she thought BC or Wondering were village.


In conclusion, I still feel like genny may be a wolf. And with going back and looking at the exchanges between genny and others, I feel like wondering could also be.

I am revising my list to the following after this iso:
Coopah
Doggo
Alissa
Barks
Sporty
BC
Paws
Wondering
Genny

Coopah->Barks I am leaning village on
Sporty I am neutral
BC->Genny I am suspect on, so I have to ISO more to reduce my list of potential wolves cause I know there are only 2 left.
I disagree with this strongly. You're reading genny's jesting as if she's serious and it doesn't sit well with me. I also said something about genny being given a free few days, why did you not consider that?

My other takeaway is clearly I need to be much more sketch...
 
My main village bucket is genny, Coop, alissa, Wondering, Doggo. Sporty is in a surrounding ring, Barks is in a slightly farther ring. Sunbodi I think is just wrong lol. That would leave you and Paws, which I don’t really hate as a partnership given how you saved her yesterday and she’s been asking why I think you’re sketchy today.
FFS people stop it. I hate you all. Stop painting the village reads with a giant ass target. Feel free to talk about your suspects, feel free to casually and occasionally mention who feels village. Don't beat it into the ground of who the wolves should target.

/endrant
 
My reason is I wanted to make a 3-way tie and see who broke it and in which direction. Unfortunately it wasn’t as productive as I’d hoped since you broke it as one of the tied people and didn’t self prez which is a pretty weird move in hindsight so I guess I could probably glean something there if I tried but I was hoping to either see an obvious swap the way Kota did which would’ve suggested a wolf up for lynch or very tight wagons which would’ve suggested v/v/v. Which reminds me, why didn’t you vote to self prez?
HMMMMM
 
I know that you were doing your analysis/posting while you went (so you may have not gotten up to this point in the thread when you posted) and just in case you missed this on the reread: Paws said in the signup thread that they would be doing that posting style (an MU style) if they were either affiliation so I don't think that evidence is that great for leaning Paws one way or the other on affiliation.


Have not forgotten to respond. I just didn't pull quotes last night and I want to post what I have in my notes that I wrote last night at work then I'll go and look for what I'm talking about.


Have you played with wolf BC before? [Genuine question.] I'm not sure if you kept reading noob game after you died D1. Just making sure you are saying that BC sounds village to you not that you are comparing her to wolf!BC (since I don't really know if you've been in a game long enough with wolf!bc to know what her wolf self is like. Personally, I can’t tell when she’s wolf vs village so even if I see village feeling posts I still keep her in neutral.


Why? What are your current reads in general?

I'm getting mostly a feeling that you're busy based on posts and I just want to feel better about clearing you based on your D1 vote.


I know you no longer need a response but for the benefit of everyone else that list of neutral names I posted was not in any particular order. They're listed in the order players are on the rooster since I just went down the list and wrote names down as I went to ensure I listed everyone and didn't forget anyone.



If you want to get people behind you on your wolf suspect then ask them questions 😊 If they still seem wolfy to you then you'll have more evidence to point to to get others on your side. Citing female intuition gets you only so far and doesn't really push other villagers to get behind you. We can't trust that you aren't a wolf trying to use your intuition to make fake reads. Intuition isn't always correct anyway (see WWarriors).


Side note: It's really annoying to write posts/analyze at night when you can't pull quotes from thread and copy/paste them. It takes me so much longer to post in the morning when I have to find all of the quotes again with just their number post.

Side-side note: I'm sad that Stagg just said that they now have time to play but AM isn't letting them do so. I just subbed in to make sure no one was modkilled or anything of the sort. 🙁
Don't clear anybody based on D1, ever. You can keep them lower in your suspicions but don't CLEAR them. My suspicions are still Sunni, paws and Kota. Sunni because of radical change in posting style and mainly because I can't see wolf hunting (doesn't mean it's not there just that I can't see it). Paws because of seemingly super aggressive play and defensive. Kota because of some irrational voice in my brain that says so.
 
FFS people stop it. I hate you all. Stop painting the village reads with a giant ass target. Feel free to talk about your suspects, feel free to casually and occasionally mention who feels village. Don't beat it into the ground of who the wolves should target.

/endrant
I mean, okay? I don’t think I tend to do it but I was asked a direct question. I’m happy to be less forthcoming in the future but it feels pretty damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
 
I mean, okay? I don’t think I tend to do it but I was asked a direct question. I’m happy to be less forthcoming in the future but it feels pretty damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
No no if you're asked you answer, it wasn't directed solely at you. I'm just frustrated because if people end up on multiple villager lists, suddenly there's a crystal clear list of who to kill as wolves. You were just the last in a long line of people just throwing out everything.
 
Oh and Wonder since you asked, yes I am currently in a business rotation (which is admittedly a super light rotation) but it still eats a lot of my time. It sucks a little extra because I miss a giant chunk of the day cycle just by being on the west coast.
 
Day 3 Lynch Tally
Kota (2)
- BC, Coop
Suni (2) - genny, Barks
genny (1) - Kota
BC (1) - Sporty

6/11
lynch close in ~5 hours
 
And villageish about alissa and doggo
Are you putting them as village based on posts or voting pattern?

@BigCats Personally, I'm always at least slightly suspicious of genny. I usually (including this game) don't see posts that give me village feels, only neutral at best (Barks said something similar to this as well). So it is slightly strange for me to see players put her too high on their village list. If you want to point to posts she's made thats given you this feeling or explain why you have her in this placement, maybe I can understand better. :shrug:

What about coop's posts seem suspicious to you?
@StayingPositive2017 (since you asked for the tag)

Yesterday, it seemed pretty clear/concrete to me that based on votes and SAR shading doggo that it didn't make much sense for SAR, doggo and sunni to be a wolf pack combination. So coop pushing for this idea of a wolf combination made me side eye her. (I don't feel like I need to quote these posts of hers. I will if you really want me to.) My feels yesterday on her could just be from myself being too set that voting pattern would help narrow down the list. I still think that it's helpful to look at voting patterns of D1 and not disregard them (especially when a wolf was lynched) but from ISOing coops posts I can definitely understand her perspective a little more (now that I'm reading them with fresh eyes). Not that I agree with it but I understand what she was saying yesterday - we can't forget certain scenarios as possibilities such as her theory of SAR, doggo and sunni as the pack. Other players have talked about it extensively why this is not a likely scenario so I'm not going to reiterate.

I am confused by this cuz now it seems like you are saying you village lean her?
Can you please just clarify your thoughts on coop in general
I was village leaning her just based on voting D1, not based on posts.
Now that I can filter out the punctuation in my head I've decided to unlynch you, congratulations, have a lollipop

Unlynch paws lynch SAR

because ties (also wanna know whats gonna happen)
Her vote caused a tie between SAR and sunni which seems like a bold move for a wolf to vote for a pack mate and make them a more viable lynch option (in a scenario when their packmate already has votes on them; I know it was mentioned last game that wolves in the past have put a vote on a packmate day 1 early in the day and forgot about it which contributed to their wolfmate's vote gaining traction and their lynch). How would this make sense when if she is a wolf she could have just voted somewhere else/stayed on paws? It wouldn't have been sketchy for her to just to not vote for SAR. If she was a wolf and this was a D1 bus for village credit (which I highly doubt especially for this wolf pack pairing), why not put more evidence against SAR in her lynch vote to seem more village?
 
Today I am feeling slightly better about paws. If sunni is woof, I don't think I can picture her (paws) being woof. I would be okay with flipping sunni. If sunni is not woof, I would feel worse about paws and genny
 
Are you putting them as village based on posts or voting pattern?

@BigCats Personally, I'm always at least slightly suspicious of genny. I usually (including this game) don't see posts that give me village feels, only neutral at best (Barks said something similar to this as well). So it is slightly strange for me to see players put her too high on their village list. If you want to point to posts she's made thats given you this feeling or explain why you have her in this placement, maybe I can understand better. :shrug:

@StayingPositive2017 (since you asked for the tag)

Yesterday, it seemed pretty clear/concrete to me that based on votes and SAR shading doggo that it didn't make much sense for SAR, doggo and sunni to be a wolf pack combination. So coop pushing for this idea of a wolf combination made me side eye her. (I don't feel like I need to quote these posts of hers. I will if you really want me to.) My feels yesterday on her could just be from myself being too set that voting pattern would help narrow down the list. I still think that it's helpful to look at voting patterns of D1 and not disregard them (especially when a wolf was lynched) but from ISOing coops posts I can definitely understand her perspective a little more (now that I'm reading them with fresh eyes). Not that I agree with it but I understand what she was saying yesterday - we can't forget certain scenarios as possibilities such as her theory of SAR, doggo and sunni as the pack. Other players have talked about it extensively why this is not a likely scenario so I'm not going to reiterate.


I was village leaning her just based on voting D1, not based on posts.

Her vote caused a tie between SAR and sunni which seems like a bold move for a wolf to vote for a pack mate and make them a more viable lynch option (in a scenario when their packmate already has votes on them; I know it was mentioned last game that wolves in the past have put a vote on a packmate day 1 early in the day and forgot about it which contributed to their wolfmate's vote gaining traction and their lynch). How would this make sense when if she is a wolf she could have just voted somewhere else/stayed on paws? It wouldn't have been sketchy for her to just to not vote for SAR. If she was a wolf and this was a D1 bus for village credit (which I highly doubt especially for this wolf pack pairing), why not put more evidence against SAR in her lynch vote to seem more village?
Damn it, if you're a wolf I'm screwed :laugh:
 
Are you putting them as village based on posts or voting pattern?

@BigCats Personally, I'm always at least slightly suspicious of genny. I usually (including this game) don't see posts that give me village feels, only neutral at best (Barks said something similar to this as well). So it is slightly strange for me to see players put her too high on their village list. If you want to point to posts she's made thats given you this feeling or explain why you have her in this placement, maybe I can understand better. :shrug:

@StayingPositive2017 (since you asked for the tag)

Yesterday, it seemed pretty clear/concrete to me that based on votes and SAR shading doggo that it didn't make much sense for SAR, doggo and sunni to be a wolf pack combination. So coop pushing for this idea of a wolf combination made me side eye her. (I don't feel like I need to quote these posts of hers. I will if you really want me to.) My feels yesterday on her could just be from myself being too set that voting pattern would help narrow down the list. I still think that it's helpful to look at voting patterns of D1 and not disregard them (especially when a wolf was lynched) but from ISOing coops posts I can definitely understand her perspective a little more (now that I'm reading them with fresh eyes). Not that I agree with it but I understand what she was saying yesterday - we can't forget certain scenarios as possibilities such as her theory of SAR, doggo and sunni as the pack. Other players have talked about it extensively why this is not a likely scenario so I'm not going to reiterate.


I was village leaning her just based on voting D1, not based on posts.

Her vote caused a tie between SAR and sunni which seems like a bold move for a wolf to vote for a pack mate and make them a more viable lynch option (in a scenario when their packmate already has votes on them; I know it was mentioned last game that wolves in the past have put a vote on a packmate day 1 early in the day and forgot about it which contributed to their wolfmate's vote gaining traction and their lynch). How would this make sense when if she is a wolf she could have just voted somewhere else/stayed on paws? It wouldn't have been sketchy for her to just to not vote for SAR. If she was a wolf and this was a D1 bus for village credit (which I highly doubt especially for this wolf pack pairing), why not put more evidence against SAR in her lynch vote to seem more village?
It’s been a general feeling but especially her post yesterday where she mentioned wanting to lynch the two of us based on actions but didn’t want to based on tone. It’s not very pro-wolf to be actively finding reasons not to lynch villagers (even the sketchy ones!), and I think I’m an easy mislynch this game so I was impressed that she didn’t go for it.
 
It’s been a general feeling but especially her post yesterday where she mentioned wanting to lynch the two of us based on actions but didn’t want to based on tone. It’s not very pro-wolf to be actively finding reasons not to lynch villagers (even the sketchy ones!), and I think I’m an easy mislynch this game so I was impressed that she didn’t go for it.
Just to clarify, you're saying genny is sketchy because you know you're a villager and she's going after you and who you feel is village?
 
Just to clarify, you're saying genny is sketchy because you know you're a villager and she's going after you and who you feel is village?
No? Did I misread the question? My answer is literally the opposite of that lol
 
other thoughts:
I don't think Alissa and sunni are in a pack together, and I don't think alissa and BC are in a pack together
still feel better about sporty and I'm sorry I gave you **** about your hmm rxns cause they are well placed as more flips happen
I wondered if sunni is hiding as a wolf by not posting cuz she gets people riled up. Where is she today?
I am trying to think through why SAR asked me about my 5th post village read on BC like it was a serious read - any ideas would be appreciated
- she can't have thought i knew something because it's an open game, maybe to just look busy?
I had a thought about a genny/BC pack but I think genny is slight village still
Personally, I haven't really had any thoughts on Barks until today so I am trying to look into her more
I am also wondering why doggo didn't die N2
Did you say before this that you thought Alissa was sketch?

you saw that I said that was a joke for AM, right? They do these full read lists on D1 early that I am just like WTF
I did not realize it was a joke, thanks for pointing it out.

I disagree with this strongly. You're reading genny's jesting as if she's serious and it doesn't sit well with me. I also said something about genny being given a free few days, why did you not consider that?

My other takeaway is clearly I need to be much more sketch...
I did not ISO you, I only ISO'd genny. Paws popped up in that ISO because genny had a lot of interactions with them, as did wondering occasionally due to Genny's few reads she shared early D2. I was not reading her joking as if she was serious (you can see that genny did not think so), which is why I pointed them out, what made you think that? Also, even if she was serious about the joking it is still a lot of joking versus actual wolf hunting or contributing to the game.
Maybe I'll have to ISO you, you seem to be trying pretty hard to convince me that you are sketchy... maybe its you and genny that are in a pack, which would be odd since I'm reading you village :thinking:
 
Did you say before this that you thought Alissa was sketch?
I am not saying that alissa is sketchy I have her as neutral due to the SAR vote. I am only saying that i dont believe those pairings are packs due to interactions. I would lean BC or sunni as more sketchy in both of those pairings
 
I am not saying that alissa is sketchy I have her as neutral due to the SAR vote. I am only saying that i dont believe those pairings are packs due to interactions. I would lean BC or sunni as more sketchy in both of those pairings
Oh okay, I was a little confused cause the previous post seemed to come out of no where so I wasn't sure if I missed something in the last 2 pages.
 
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