******* NYCOM Class of 2011 Part 2 ******

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Will honors include all three parts of Neuro? On our official transcripts there is only one grade for Neuro. They finally got one part of the Neuro course right. But the other two need a lot of work.
 
DOctorNY said:
the guy is not dead so no need ofr the obituary.
He was a great professor and I'm sure that he just clashed with the administration and decided that his OMM expertise would be more appreciated at another institution. He's not he first nor will he be the last good professor NYCOM loses due to some flaw in their judgement.
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You are right that he mave have clashed with administration and from the way our school is run for good reason. As students we have to make sure the administration know who the good professors are so that they could do whatever they can to keep them. Dr. Wyitrol will be sorely missed. He is one of the only instructors that put students first. I don't know about you, but to me it is a death to part of my medical education that other faculty can never replace. :cry:
 
Kappy1 said:
Will honors include all three parts of Neuro? On our official transcripts there is only one grade for Neuro. They finally got one part of the Neuro course right. But the other two need a lot of work.
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i've heard it's all 3 parts. but i don't know how they calculate it, if they do the 75/25 average for each part and then average those together or if they average all the written averages and all the practical averages first and then do the 75/25 thing. does it even make a difference? i have no idea.

last year their honors was somewhere around 87. ours is probably going to be a little higher so i'd buy 89.
 
it wouldn't make a difference mathematically either way they do it, it's probably easier to average the written and practical separately though and then do the 75/25 variant though, although, it's probably done on excel so it doesn't make a difference.

Honors is always a 75/25 determinant though. I wouldn't be too concerned about honors though, especially if you guys get close. NYCOM saves all your grades for the Dean's list and gives you a percentile...sort of like a ranking. So if you keep missing honors by a couple of points it's almost better than honoring one test and missing the others by a lot of points.

Also, don't fail anything. I guess it's different this year without makeups, but a lot of people from my class made up a lot of tests last year. If they got 100% on the makeup, they still were ranked lower than the person that passed with a 70 on the first shot. That will kill your class ranking if you have to remediate something.
 
are you guys buying the parham immunology book?

is there one out there that's better?
 
Kappy1 said:
You are right that he mave have clashed with administration and from the way our school is run for good reason. As students we have to make sure the administration know who the good professors are so that they could do whatever they can to keep them. Dr. Wyitrol will be sorely missed. He is one of the only instructors that put students first. I don't know about you, but to me it is a death to part of my medical education that other faculty can never replace.
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I agree with u. Dr. Witryol was a nice guy and always thought about us. U r not going to see any reviews for OMM class or OMM practical. Nothing would be easier and he was like, whenever i needed he helped me right away. I did not get any professor like him. He is the victim of School politics.
 
Vee said:
are you guys buying the parham immunology book?

is there one out there that's better?
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i thought that book was way too detailed for the course. i bought it and barely used it. if you have a weak background in immuno it might be ok. but i didnt think the book was necessary to do well in the class or on the boards.
 
1. What is the deal with histology? Do we learn it or we dont? I heard that they dont teach it to us, but then what are these elkowitz lectures?

2. Its sad, witryol was a nice guy, but im more concerned with the fact that we might not get those review sheets before practicals that basically broke down everything we needed to know. is that bad? Ive turned into such an apathetic person ever since entering nycom...survival of the fittest right? hah

3. 44 hours of lecture for next exam...whoaaaaaaaaaa billy, looks like i need to cut my spring break down by 3 days or so
 
Parham was a great book I read it cover to cover. you dont need it to do well in the class bc Simon will teach you everything you need to know. but for those people who love to follow class notes along with a book this book is simple (a little too datailed) but very easy to understand. Also has a lot of repetition which is good when you get to learn more advance stuff and forget the basics.
Enjoy Immuno its the best system nycom has followed by a close second to endocrine
 
Vee said:
i've heard it's all 3 parts. but i don't know how they calculate it, if they do the 75/25 average for each part and then average those together or if they average all the written averages and all the practical averages first and then do the 75/25 thing. does it even make a difference? i have no idea.

last year their honors was somewhere around 87. ours is probably going to be a little higher so i'd buy 89.
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You can buy 89 but I doubt it. In muskuloskeletal 1 standard deviation above the average was 89 but they gave Honors on 91. U would be lucky if they give it on 89. Somehow our class average is too high no matter how hard the exam is and there are more than 10% people who is always getting above 90. so although the only 1 anatomy exam average was little low more than 10% people got above 85 on that. so its not gonna make any difference. and about the grading,

Neuro 1. 2 written is gonna count for 50% + 50% = 100%
Neuro 2. 2 Written is gonna count for 37.5%+37.5%= 75%
and OMM and anatomy is gonna count like 12.5%+ 12.5%= 25%.
all together 100%
Neuro 3. Same as Neuro part 2.

So all together you will get 300%. whatever u get in 3 parts. add it and divide it by three. you will get the final % considering for the Honors. Good
luck guys who is fighting for the Honors.
 
Exanogen said:
I wonder what happened to Dr. Witryol...
"And now a brief message from our sponsors..."
Farewell to one of our esteemed professors Dr. Walter Witryol, you will be sorely missed. A great lecturer who kept us entertained with his late 80's, early 90s pop culture, and a great doctor who practice the art of Osteopathic Manipulation. A true believer in the D.O. way, I wish him well in his future endeavors.

WitryolWalter.jpg


A brief summary of interesting things about Dr. Witryol on Google.


His certification
http://www.vitals.com/v/index.php?v=doctors/13030251535/Walter+Witryol+MD
Physiatrist, Osteopath
Male - Age 53 - 15 years experience

Walter Witryol, MD
is certified by the following ABMS® Member Board:
The American Board of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Specialty Certification
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Certification expires June 30, 2014
The primary goal of the physiatrist is to achieve maximal restoration of physical, psychological, social and vocational function through comprehensive rehabilitation. Pain management is often an important part of the role of the physiatrist. For diagnosis and evaluation, a physiatrist may include the techniques of electromyography to supplement the standard history, physical, x-ray and laboratory examinations. The physiatrist has expertise in the appropriate use of therapeutic exercise, prosthetics (artificial limbs), orthotics and mechanical and electrical devices.

His Review of the book "Natural Drug free Nights"
http://www.amazon.com/Insomnia-Solution-Natural-Drug-Free-Nights/dp/product-description/0446693243
Walter Witryol, MD, Assistant Professor, University of North Texas Health Science Center
"This is the most practical and effective approach I have seen to promptly enhance the restorative functions of sleep."

His (partial) publication, "Body Awareness as Healing Therapy : The Case of Nora"
http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=Walter+Witryol&z=y


We will miss you Dr. W.
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I salute u too Dr. Witryol. We will miss you cordially. 🙁
 
I need to switch my ICC IV workshop day with somebody. I have it for March 13, 2-3 pm. I will be in Denver from the 12th-16th. If anybody can switch, please let me know. Thanks!

1 more week til break!
 
What happened to Dr. Wytriol? how did you guys find out?
can some one PM me with more info?
 
Doctorman said:
What happened to Dr. Wytriol? how did you guys find out?
can some one PM me with more info?
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Our class found out when Dr. Gillar told us that he is no longer with the school and would not explain why. Though I did read a rumor on the 2010 thread of what happened stating that he was doing a manuver in the clinic on a student and the patient was in pain and he would not stop. Personally I don't buy that for a minute. In all my days in OMM he was always gentle.
 
Kappy1 said:
In all my days in OMM he was always gentle.
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:laugh:

You must have a high pain threshold. If someone didn't have a tender point for counterstrain he would make one.

But he's a nice guy.
 
Yes, he can be sometime painful but that does not mean he is intentionally trying to hurt you. Sometime when he was treating me, I was getting hurt but after he finished the maneuver, the pain goes away.

Thats really funny that he was treating a guy and the guy was complaining he hurts me, get rid of him. Yes, he is not in the school now. may be 5% of the people are happy who are not doing well in the OMM or hate OMM. I can certainly say the other 95% of the people want him in the school since I know how much he did for us. All the review for OMM classes and OMM practical. Our OMM practical Average came down from 97 to 92 only because he wasn't in the OMM practical exam time. Next time no one is going to give you a review sheet like he did. You will see the average coming down. Anyway, hopefully, we will survive but I believe he did not deserve it.

Anyway, what happened we would not be able to change it. We have to accept it since life is not fair.

 
rangabou said:
Yes, he can be sometime painful but that does not mean he is intentionally trying to hurt you. Sometime when he was treating me, I was getting hurt but after he finished the maneuver, the pain goes away.

Thats really funny that he was treating a guy and the guy was complaining he hurts me, get rid of him. Yes, he is not in the school now. may be 5% of the people are happy who are not doing well in the OMM or hate OMM. I can certainly say the other 95% of the people want him in the school since I know how much he did for us. All the review for OMM classes and OMM practical. Our OMM practical Average came down from 97 to 92 only because he wasn't in the OMM practical exam time. Next time no one is going to give you a review sheet like he did. You will see the average coming down. Anyway, hopefully, we will survive but I believe he did not deserve it.

Anyway, what happened we would not be able to change it. We have to accept it since life is not fair.

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2010 never got a review sheet for anything, and our averages are always well over 90. I love OMM, and I think Wytriol is creepy. Not everyone is sad he's gone. He made me extremely uncomfortable to be around, and I avoided him at all costs. And no, I"m not one of the people who "complained" about him to the admin.
 
KateGia said:
2010 never got a review sheet for anything, and our averages are always well over 90. I love OMM, and I think Wytriol is creepy. Not everyone is sad he's gone. He made me extremely uncomfortable to be around, and I avoided him at all costs. And no, I"m not one of the people who "complained" about him to the admin.
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I agree - I found it impossible to learn from him - he confused the heck out of me, hurt me in OMM lab, and just made me uncomfortable. I don't wish him ill will - but I think the OMM department overall is still outstanding and I won't miss him. We don't know why he left and it probably isn't the most professional to speculate on a pubic forum spreading rumors of what he might or might not have done. I know moral is low and everyone is out to blame the administration but he may have left for his own reasons.
 
KateGia said:
2010 never got a review sheet for anything, and our averages are always well over 90. I love OMM, and I think Wytriol is creepy. Not everyone is sad he's gone. He made me extremely uncomfortable to be around, and I avoided him at all costs. And no, I"m not one of the people who "complained" about him to the admin.
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That is my first post here although I read SDN always.

Looks like some people are very happy. I am sorry that u had bad experiences with him although uncomfortable is a very vague word. I dont know about 2010 class but he helped our class (2011) as i know and the complain went from our class. Whatever u say, one part of my good OMM education is gone like many others. Everyone is so busy in OMM. But Dr. Witryol made some time if anyone had any question for him anytime. Atleast, hopefully, some people wont be "uncomfortable" around OMM anymore costing emptiness for others.
 
DoBoss said:
That is my first post here although I read SDN always.

Looks like some people are very happy. I am sorry that u had bad experiences with him although uncomfortable is a very vague word. I dont know about 2010 class but he helped our class (2011) as i know and the complain went from our class. Whatever u say, one part of my good OMM education is gone like many others. Everyone is so busy in OMM. But Dr. Witryol made some time if anyone had any question for him anytime. Atleast, hopefully, some people wont be "uncomfortable" around OMM anymore costing emptiness for others.
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Thank You Dr. Witryol for your first post here on the forum. JK:meanie:
 
docem said:
We don't know why he left and it probably isn't the most professional to speculate on a pubic forum spreading rumors of what he might or might not have done. I know moral is low and everyone is out to blame the administration but he may have left for his own reasons.
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I agree with this, nobody knows why he left or whatever so I don't think we should speculate because this forum could come up in a google search and we may wreck the man's reputation.

We don't get a review sheet but were told whats going to be on the test and the breakdown. Also its OMM its not that hard, I'm not sure how u guys are tested but we usually have diagnosis, treatment, case.

morale=moral? Do they mean the same thing?
 
lilzelda2 said:
morale=moral? Do they mean the same thing?
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I don't know if u really wanted to know the meaning or anything else but the meanings are:

Moral meaning= Ethical, good, right, honest, decent, proper, honorable
Morale meaning= confidence, self-esteem, spirit

Hopefully, that helps.
 
thanks i've been seening moral used alot instead of morale so I was begining to thing morale was like an england english thing and moral was the american word for morale.

I have to much time on my hands
 
you have TOO much time one your hands. Just kidding dont take offense I think we could all use a grammar lesson
 
Anyone know when FAFSA is due?
 
i did the math averaging .75/.25 (to the mean + sd values) for each parts I-III (lecture and lab) then dividing by 3 and got 88.5 so my guess is a 90 for honors. i calculate it this way and it worked for the last two classes. 😉

then of course you can average your own grades up in identical manner and have a pretty close approximation of you vs. honors.
 
littlephiLLy said:
i did the math averaging .75/.25 (to the mean + sd values) for each parts I-III (lecture and lab) then dividing by 3 and got 88.5 so my guess is a 90 for honors. i calculate it this way and it worked for the last two classes. 😉

then of course you can average your own grades up in identical manner and have a pretty close approximation of you vs. honors.
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hey you were right on!

👍
 
littlephiLLy said:
i did the math averaging .75/.25 (to the mean + sd values) for each parts I-III (lecture and lab) then dividing by 3 and got 88.5 so my guess is a 90 for honors. i calculate it this way and it worked for the last two classes. 😉

then of course you can average your own grades up in identical manner and have a pretty close approximation of you vs. honors.
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Why are you in med school?
you should be on wall streets playing stock markets!!! :laugh:
 
HunterGatherer said:
Do 1st years have an exam this coming monday?




you folks are almost at the end of 1st year. :luck::hardy:
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We have our exam on 31st.
Yeah, time flies so quick. Can't wait for summer though. 😀
 
Speaking of summer....I like how I emailed Dominic about doing medical spanish abroad, like a month and a half ago...

AND


No response
 
Congrats to anyone who got honors!!!
Anyone feell like they have been doing enouhg work over break... I know I dont
 
so, do we think dr. kumar will ask about those articles he made us read? or is he just bluffing?
 
Scotty_G said:
Yea most likely bluffing as they usually do.
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It is so nice because this material is about 1000 times easier than neuro. Everyone should rock this material. Peace
 
I am not looking forward to this test...trouble
 
Woot! said:
There is also alot more...
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Very easy test except for transplant definitions which I skipped over. Much much easier than Neuro! I hope everyone destroyed it!
 
burke99 said:
Very easy test except for transplant definitions which I skipped over. Much much easier than Neuro! I hope everyone destroyed it!
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i actually thought neuro was easier..go figure :laugh: It's weird how some systems click for people and some just don't (like this one for me).

PS: I hope to God I don't become a neurologist lol!
 
so is it just me or are the answer keys missing all of dr. simon's matching questions' answers
 
jp104 said:
i actually thought neuro was easier..go figure :laugh: It's weird how some systems click for people and some just don't (like this one for me).

PS: I hope to God I don't become a neurologist lol!
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Same here. I did better in neuro than this test. It is not hard at all, but I make like lots of stupid mistakes and can't seem to recall stuffs.
I should have studied in the spring break. 😀
Good luck everyone!!! the answer key is up.
 
Vee said:
so is it just me or are the answer keys missing all of dr. simon's matching questions' answers
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[FONT=PrimaSans BT,Verdana,sans-serif]
Item #7 Version A/#3 Version B: Correct answer is "C"
Item #18 (Versions A and B): Correct answer is "C"
Item #19 (Versions A and B): Correct answer is "B"
Item #20 (Versions A and B): Correct answer is "E"
Item #21 (Versions A and B): Correct answer is "D"
Item #22 (Versions A and B): Correct answer is "A"

I thought this was harder than neuro, but then again, I didn't really think neuro was that hard. Perhaps if I had some immunology background I wouldn't have had to learn it from scratch.
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