**Official 2019 Orthodontic PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

[mmc12]

I received this email from this new ortho program. Maybe some of you guys who didn't match want to apply and see?

"Dear Colleague,

Great news! It is my pleasure to announce the opening of CTOR Academy, a private school in Hoboken, New Jersey, offering an Advanced Specialty Program in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics.

If you have a strong desire to be an Orthodontist with the most advanced training available and an innovator who can contribute to advancements in Orthodontics, then CTOR Academy is the right school for you. We offer 3 different programs to meet your career goals:

1. Certificate in Orthodontics 3-year program

2. Certificate in Orthodontics plus MS in Bioengineering 3-year program

3. Certificate in Orthodontics plus PhD in Biomedical Engineering or Biomedical Sciences 5-year program

Our unique programs are founded on the belief that Orthodontists should be major contributors to the advancement of our profession. As a CTOR Academy student you will learn:

• to use the most advanced techniques in Orthodontics
• how to incorporate a deep understanding of biology and engineering into your Orthodontics diagnosis and treatment planning.
• how to navigate the innovation-to-implementation pipeline as a clinician/scientist and future leader in the field of Orthodontics.

The application deadline for the 2018-2019 academic year is March 1st, 2019.

Visit www.ctor.academy to apply today!

Together we will build the future of Orthodontics"

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[011110]

I received this email from this new ortho program. Maybe some of you guys who didn't match want to apply and see?

"Dear Colleague,

Great news! It is my pleasure to announce the opening of CTOR Academy, a private school in Hoboken, New Jersey, offering an Advanced Specialty Program in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics.

If you have a strong desire to be an Orthodontist with the most advanced training available and an innovator who can contribute to advancements in Orthodontics, then CTOR Academy is the right school for you. We offer 3 different programs to meet your career goals:

1. Certificate in Orthodontics 3-year program

2. Certificate in Orthodontics plus MS in Bioengineering 3-year program

3. Certificate in Orthodontics plus PhD in Biomedical Engineering or Biomedical Sciences 5-year program

Our unique programs are founded on the belief that Orthodontists should be major contributors to the advancement of our profession. As a CTOR Academy student you will learn:

• to use the most advanced techniques in Orthodontics
• how to incorporate a deep understanding of biology and engineering into your Orthodontics diagnosis and treatment planning.
• how to navigate the innovation-to-implementation pipeline as a clinician/scientist and future leader in the field of Orthodontics.

The application deadline for the 2018-2019 academic year is March 1st, 2019.

Visit www.ctor.academy to apply today!

Together we will build the future of Orthodontics"

Sure! If you don’t mind paying 80k per year for a program that isn’t accredited, to enter a job market that sucks, then sure! Sign your life away!

 

[ortho_mds]

I received this email from this new ortho program. Maybe some of you guys who didn't match want to apply and see?

"Dear Colleague,

Great news! It is my pleasure to announce the opening of CTOR Academy, a private school in Hoboken, New Jersey, offering an Advanced Specialty Program in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics.

If you have a strong desire to be an Orthodontist with the most advanced training available and an innovator who can contribute to advancements in Orthodontics, then CTOR Academy is the right school for you. We offer 3 different programs to meet your career goals:

1. Certificate in Orthodontics 3-year program

2. Certificate in Orthodontics plus MS in Bioengineering 3-year program

3. Certificate in Orthodontics plus PhD in Biomedical Engineering or Biomedical Sciences 5-year program

Our unique programs are founded on the belief that Orthodontists should be major contributors to the advancement of our profession. As a CTOR Academy student you will learn:

• to use the most advanced techniques in Orthodontics
• how to incorporate a deep understanding of biology and engineering into your Orthodontics diagnosis and treatment planning.
• how to navigate the innovation-to-implementation pipeline as a clinician/scientist and future leader in the field of Orthodontics.

The application deadline for the 2018-2019 academic year is March 1st, 2019.

Visit www.ctor.academy to apply today!

Together we will build the future of Orthodontics"

I got a similar email.....I don't think its worth our money and time..... better make the application stronger and re-apply

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[CaliDDS1986]

I got a similar email.....I don't think its worth our money and time..... better make the application stronger and re-apply

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Why would anyone go here at all? If it’s not accredited then what are you getting out of it by going if you can’t be an orthodontist when you graduate?

 

[011110]

Why would anyone go here at all? If it’s not accredited then what are you getting out of it by going if you can’t be an orthodontist when you graduate?

Can you get a refund in full if you graduate and they don’t get accredited? Seems like you should be able to since you didn’t get what you paid for.

 

[mmc12]

You shouldn’t even consider applying if you’re already contemplating getting a “refund” and thus wasting three years of your life.

 

[011110]

You shouldn’t even consider applying if you’re already contemplating getting a “refund” and thus wasting three years of your life.

Is anyone actually applying and considering going? How can they market that you get to be an Orthodontic specialist and not grant you that degree?

 

[mmc12]

I think you're posting on the wrong thread. Geisinger Medical Center doesn't have an ortho program.

 

[011110]

I think you're posting on the wrong thread. Geisinger Medical Center doesn't have an ortho program.

Anyone end up applying to CTOR?

 

[Roawis]

Hello, if i have questions about a specific orthodontic program, can I ask about it publicly here or if some of you would please message me so that i can ask and get a few opinions? Im an international student and I would appreciate the help and insider insight. Thank you

 

[predent94]

Do you guys have any tips for people who graduated and are working now but want to apply to ortho?

 

[ortho_mds]

Hello, if i have questions about a specific orthodontic program, can I ask about it publicly here or if some of you would please message me so that i can ask and get a few opinions? Im an international student and I would appreciate the help and insider insight. Thank you

Yes you can ask questions here as everyone will be able to share their opinion and you will get insights from everyone.

 

[BRush49]

Name of Ortho Program: Northeast School
Dental School Attended: Midwest School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2012
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: GPR
NBDE Part I/II scores: 82/84
ADAT Score: Didn't take it, I hear most schools still think it's crap
GRE Score: 162q, 166v, 5.5w
Class Rank: 43/98
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: 7 years military, spent lots of time working with military orthodontists shadowing and assisting
Research: No undergrad research, table clinic presentations during D School and GPR, healthcare policy-making experience in military
Extracurriculars: Lots of volunteer work during Dental School (both dental and non-dental related), class treasurer in D school, social chair of dental fraternity, numerous leadership positions held while in the military
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 19/5/5/5

I applied a couple times through the military for Ortho but never got picked up. It's hard in the civilian world, but even harder in military with only 1-2 people selected each year. I really made sure to stay involved with leadership positions and to work with orthodontists whenever possible. Getting solid letters of recommendation is HUGE, especially if you work with someone who attended a specific program to which you are applying. As you can see, I finished middle of the class in D school (I had a crazy smart class) and had somewhat average board scores (when we still did those), so don't let class rank position necessarily discourage you. If you're coming out of school and not cream of the crop (like I wasn’t), consider taking the GRE and trying to rock it. I wanted to show them I still got it, especially since it has been a few years since I graduated. Some programs don't care about it at all, but if you do well, it's certainly something that can help. Also consider doing a GPR or AEGD, and/or working for a couple years. Many programs love to see that you've gained some real world experience, especially if you're able to do some ortho during that time frame. A lot of us don't get too much hands on ortho experience during D school, so if you show that you know what you're getting into, some schools may look favorably upon that. Apply far and wide, it can be expensive, but with how competitive it is, it's nearly a must. I geographically limited myself to mainly East Coast due to my wife's residency, but if you have no limitations, and you know ortho is for you, drop the money and apply everywhere. Interview season can be tricky with all of the programs cramming interviews into one month, so prepare to be flexible and know you may have to make some last minute changes. Prepare for interviews by writing out tons of possible questions and having some answers formulated. I literally created about a 14 page document of possible questions with my answers, and I practiced them until I felt comfortable. There will always be a few curveballs, but those will probably slip everyone up. Stay humble, kind, and don't be afraid to laugh, some of the biggest turnoffs are cockiness and being too stoic. Keep the faith, there were many programs that opted not to give me an interview, and there were many days I was doubting myself, but in the end, my top program gave me a late invite nearly two weeks after their initial round, and I'm happy to say I ended up matching with my #1!

Curious if I could DM you to ask some more specifics. I have a somewhat similar background (military). Let me know. Thanks!

 

[alldemteeth]

Curious if I could DM you to ask some more specifics. I have a somewhat similar background (military). Let me know. Thanks!

I’m heading to residency this summer after my time in the military. Feel free to send one my way, I’ll do my best to answer any questions.

 

[hampaita9]

I’m heading to residency this summer after my time in the military. Feel free to send one my way, I’ll do my best to answer any questions.

I'm in the same boat also, military experience, middle of the pack class rank. I'd be curious to connect with you two and see what your experience is because I'm applying this summer and would like some insite

Name of Ortho Program: Northeast School
Dental School Attended: Midwest School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2012
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: GPR
NBDE Part I/II scores: 82/84
ADAT Score: Didn't take it, I hear most schools still think it's crap
GRE Score: 162q, 166v, 5.5w
Class Rank: 43/98
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: 7 years military, spent lots of time working with military orthodontists shadowing and assisting
Research: No undergrad research, table clinic presentations during D School and GPR, healthcare policy-making experience in military
Extracurriculars: Lots of volunteer work during Dental School (both dental and non-dental related), class treasurer in D school, social chair of dental fraternity, numerous leadership positions held while in the military
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 19/5/5/5

I applied a couple times through the military for Ortho but never got picked up. It's hard in the civilian world, but even harder in military with only 1-2 people selected each year. I really made sure to stay involved with leadership positions and to work with orthodontists whenever possible. Getting solid letters of recommendation is HUGE, especially if you work with someone who attended a specific program to which you are applying. As you can see, I finished middle of the class in D school (I had a crazy smart class) and had somewhat average board scores (when we still did those), so don't let class rank position necessarily discourage you. If you're coming out of school and not cream of the crop (like I wasn’t), consider taking the GRE and trying to rock it. I wanted to show them I still got it, especially since it has been a few years since I graduated. Some programs don't care about it at all, but if you do well, it's certainly something that can help. Also consider doing a GPR or AEGD, and/or working for a couple years. Many programs love to see that you've gained some real world experience, especially if you're able to do some ortho during that time frame. A lot of us don't get too much hands on ortho experience during D school, so if you show that you know what you're getting into, some schools may look favorably upon that. Apply far and wide, it can be expensive, but with how competitive it is, it's nearly a must. I geographically limited myself to mainly East Coast due to my wife's residency, but if you have no limitations, and you know ortho is for you, drop the money and apply everywhere. Interview season can be tricky with all of the programs cramming interviews into one month, so prepare to be flexible and know you may have to make some last minute changes. Prepare for interviews by writing out tons of possible questions and having some answers formulated. I literally created about a 14 page document of possible questions with my answers, and I practiced them until I felt comfortable. There will always be a few curveballs, but those will probably slip everyone up. Stay humble, kind, and don't be afraid to laugh, some of the biggest turnoffs are cockiness and being too stoic. Keep the faith, there were many programs that opted not to give me an interview, and there were many days I was doubting myself, but in the end, my top program gave me a late invite nearly two weeks after their initial round, and I'm happy to say I ended up matching with my #1!

I'm in the same boat also, military experience, middle of the pack class rank. I'd be curious to connect with you and see what your experience is because I'm applying this summer and would like some insight as to which programs you selected and why...

 

[hampaita9]

Curious if I could DM you to ask some more specifics. I have a somewhat similar background (military). Let me know. Thanks!

I'm in the same boat also, military experience, middle of the pack class rank. I'd be curious to connect with you and see what your experience is because I'm applying this summer and would like some insight as to which programs you selected and why...

 

[alldemteeth]

I'm in the same boat also, military experience, middle of the pack class rank. I'd be curious to connect with you two and see what your experience is because I'm applying this summer and would like some insite



I'm in the same boat also, military experience, middle of the pack class rank. I'd be curious to connect with you and see what your experience is because I'm applying this summer and would like some insight as to which programs you selected and why...

Fire away, shipmate.

 

[hampaita9]

Fire away, shipmate.

My family is from the west and so far have mostly west coast schools on our list. My selection criteria is essentially the programs I feel cost the most (because they'll be less competitive) and because I can use the GI bill to subsidize. In your research/interview experience did you come across any programs in particular that really favored military experience? What other factors went in to your decision on where to apply?

 

[alldemteeth]

My family is from the west and so far have mostly west coast schools on our list. My selection criteria is essentially the programs I feel cost the most (because they'll be less competitive) and because I can use the GI bill to subsidize. In your research/interview experience did you come across any programs in particular that really favored military experience? What other factors went in to your decision on where to apply?

In general I would say the more expensive schools tend to attract fewer applicants but that is not a hard and fast rule by any means. I felt that my military experience was looked upon favorably, as it came up in every single interview. I’m not sure if there are any specific programs I can name, but my suggestion to you would be: apply to every program you could see yourself attending. Moving your family is tough, but it beats a year in limbo.
Proximity to family was a big factor for me as well as perceived quality of education. Best of luck to you, let me know if I can help out in any way.

 

[wilmosta]

Can anyone elucidate on the following:

Is it a huge red flag to not get a LOR from an orthodontist, but have strong LORs from other sources?

Thanks!

 

[BRush49]

Can anyone elucidate on the following:

Is it a huge red flag to not get a LOR from an orthodontist, but have strong LORs from other sources?

Thanks!

I’m applying this year too, so I’m probably not the most knowledgeable source, but from what I’ve heard, who writes your letters Is less important than what they write. It prob wouldn’t benefit you to have a random orthodontist who doesn’t know you well write you a letter in place of someone who can really vouch for who you are. That being said, some schools state in their application criteria that they want a letter from an orthodontist or ortho faculty. So I guess it depends on the school a bit. Either way, good luck!

 

[DentalBear956]

Does anyone from this thread have a list of programs that do not require the GRE? I'm looking to apply to ortho residencies next year, have taken the ADAT but I don't want to take the GRE.

 

[mkobrien111]

I know it’s early in the process, but has anyone else got an interview for OU on the second interview day (November 1st)? I got invited for the first day (October 25th) but already have a conflicting interview on that day. Curious if there’s anyone interviewing at OU on the second day who would switch days with me??? It would be much appreciated!!

 

[BRush49]

I know it’s early in the process, but has anyone else got an interview for OU on the second interview day (November 1st)? I got invited for the first day (October 25th) but already have a conflicting interview on that day. Curious if there’s anyone interviewing at OU on the second day who would switch days with me??? It would be much appreciated!!

Might have better luck in the 2020 thread. Hope it works out for you!

 

[mkobrien111]

Might have better luck in the 2020 thread. Hope it works out for you!

Can you send me the 2020 thread??

 

[BRush49]

Can you send me the 2020 thread??

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