**Official 2025 OMFS PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev - 10/28 - email 9/19
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6 yr or 4 yr for Shreveport?
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21 or 11/18 - email 9/19
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21 or 11/18 - email 9/19
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21 or 11/18 - email 9/19
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
 
Hey all! How are you guys uploading “official transcripts” to PASS? Like for the MedStar app
 
I want to throw my unsolicited two cents in on the 4 vs. 6 year question. I'm only sharing this because this time last year I was having a fierce internal debate on 4-6 and if this is helpful to anyone, great. Also probably not the right place to post this but I'm here now anyway. For context I applied to 34 programs last cycle, got 30 interviews, went to 17 of them. I had an almost perfect split of 4 vs 6 years that I interviewed at (1 more 6 year). In dental school I was pretty sure I would do a 6 year program because I thought it was the best. I externed at a solid 4 year program and realized they did a significant amount more surgery than my solid home 6 year program. A couple more 4 and 6 year externships and 17 interviews later... and in my opinion go to a SOLID 6 year if you are dead set on doing fellowship, or if your ego needs to have an MD (I’m not bashing, in the end I seriously considered a 6 year for this reason and I think is totally fine reason to get one). I think doing a 6 year because you will get more respect from other surgical specialties/medicine is dumb. You get respect from surgical specialties based on how good of a surgeon you are. Medicine doctors don’t understand any surgical specialty to begin with so lost cause there. Head and neck surgeon at Bama told me even with his MD and title he is still viewed as a dentist by his colleagues until he proves them otherwise. If you wanted respect that a MD gets by some rando who doesn't know what we do as a specialty, drop your DDS/DMD and don't call yourself an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or you should have gone to medical school and done ENT. Saying 2 extra years doing a 3rd and 4th year of medical school is going to make you a better OMFS makes no sense to me. I could be wrong but I don’t see how following around random services for two years is going to push you to be a better surgeon, there is a reason most people will tell you those two years of medical school feel like getting a break from the grind. It could make you a better hospitalist? IMO lining up a SOLID 6 year vs. a SOLID 4 year you are going to cut more at a 4 year, get out two years earlier, not pay for med school, but not have an MD. In the end it was a no brainer for me and I matched at my top choice which I think is the best 4 year program in the country. We are inundated with complex traumas, orthognathic, cleft, TMJ, etc. No malignant path (which was a plus for me) and I agree there is an argument to be made that this can make you a more well rounded, but I don't think it outweighs the potential bloat that it can put on your residency training especially if you aren't even planning on doing head and neck. I am freaking busy and loving my life, when Sunday night hits I’m ready to go back to work. OMFS is hands down the best medical or dental specialty out there and that doesn’t change if you go to a 6 year or 4 year. That’s my opinion, feel free to rip into me if you want
 
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I want to throw my unsolicited two cents in on the 4 vs. 6 year question. I'm only sharing this because this time last I was having a fierce internal debate on 4-6 and if this is helpful to anyone, great. Also not sure if this is the right place to post this but regardless. For context I applied to 34 programs last cycle, got 30 interviews, went to 17 of them. I had an almost perfect split of 4 vs 6 years that I interviewed at (1 more 6 year). In dental school I was pretty sure I would do a 6 year program because I thought it was the best. I externed at a solid 4 year program and realized they did a significant amount more surgery than my solid home 6 year program. A couple more 4 and 6 year externships and 17 interview later and in my opinion go to a SOLID 6 year if you are dead set on doing fellowship, or if your ego needs to have an MD (I’m not bashing, in the end I seriously considered a 6 year for this reason and I think is totally fine reason to get one). I think doing a 6 year because you will get more respect from other surgical specialties/medicine is dumb. You get respect from surgical specialties based on how good of a surgeon you are. Medicine doctors don’t understand any surgical specialty to begin with anyway so lost cause there. Head and neck surgeon at Bama told me even with his MD and title he is still viewed as a dentist by his colleagues until he proves them otherwise. If you wanted respect that a MD gets by some rando who doesn't know what we do as a specialty, drop your DDS/DMD and don't call yourself an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or you should have gone to medical school and done ENT. Saying 2 extra years doing a 3rd and 4th year of medical school is going to make you a better OMFS makes no sense to me. I could be wrong but I don’t see how following around random services for two years is going to push you to be a better surgeon, there is a reason most people will tell you those two years of medical school feel like getting a break from the grind. It could make you a better hospitalist? IMO lining up a SOLID 6 year vs. a SOLID 4 year you are going to cut more at a 4 year, get out two years earlier, not pay for med school, but not have an MD. In the end it was a no brainer for me and I matched at my top choice which I think is the best 4 year program in the country. We are inundated with complex traumas, orthognathic, cleft, TMJ, etc. No malignant path (which I wanted) and I agree there is an argument to be made that this can make you a more well rounded, but I don't think it outweighs the potential bloat that it can put on your residency training especially if you aren't even planning on doing head and neck. I am freaking busy and loving my life, when Sunday night hits I’m ready to go back to work. OMFS is hands down the best medical or dental specialty out there and that doesn’t change if you go to a 6 year or 4 year. That’s my opinion, feel free to rip into me if you want
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I want to throw my unsolicited two cents in on the 4 vs. 6 year question. I'm only sharing this because this time last I was having a fierce internal debate on 4-6 and if this is helpful to anyone, great. Also not sure if this is the right place to post this but regardless. For context I applied to 34 programs last cycle, got 30 interviews, went to 17 of them. I had an almost perfect split of 4 vs 6 years that I interviewed at (1 more 6 year). In dental school I was pretty sure I would do a 6 year program because I thought it was the best. I externed at a solid 4 year program and realized they did a significant amount more surgery than my solid home 6 year program. A couple more 4 and 6 year externships and 17 interview later and in my opinion go to a SOLID 6 year if you are dead set on doing fellowship, or if your ego needs to have an MD (I’m not bashing, in the end I seriously considered a 6 year for this reason and I think is totally fine reason to get one). I think doing a 6 year because you will get more respect from other surgical specialties/medicine is dumb. You get respect from surgical specialties based on how good of a surgeon you are. Medicine doctors don’t understand any surgical specialty to begin with anyway so lost cause there. Head and neck surgeon at Bama told me even with his MD and title he is still viewed as a dentist by his colleagues until he proves them otherwise. If you wanted respect that a MD gets by some rando who doesn't know what we do as a specialty, drop your DDS/DMD and don't call yourself an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or you should have gone to medical school and done ENT. Saying 2 extra years doing a 3rd and 4th year of medical school is going to make you a better OMFS makes no sense to me. I could be wrong but I don’t see how following around random services for two years is going to push you to be a better surgeon, there is a reason most people will tell you those two years of medical school feel like getting a break from the grind. It could make you a better hospitalist? IMO lining up a SOLID 6 year vs. a SOLID 4 year you are going to cut more at a 4 year, get out two years earlier, not pay for med school, but not have an MD. In the end it was a no brainer for me and I matched at my top choice which I think is the best 4 year program in the country. We are inundated with complex traumas, orthognathic, cleft, TMJ, etc. No malignant path (which I wanted) and I agree there is an argument to be made that this can make you a more well rounded, but I don't think it outweighs the potential bloat that it can put on your residency training especially if you aren't even planning on doing head and neck. I am freaking busy and loving my life, when Sunday night hits I’m ready to go back to work. OMFS is hands down the best medical or dental specialty out there and that doesn’t change if you go to a 6 year or 4 year. That’s my opinion, feel free to rip into me if you want
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I’d rather get no respect and be misunderstood in OMS so no one can know how good it is lol
 
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I want to throw my unsolicited two cents in on the 4 vs. 6 year question. I'm only sharing this because this time last I was having a fierce internal debate on 4-6 and if this is helpful to anyone, great. Also not sure if this is the right place to post this but regardless. For context I applied to 34 programs last cycle, got 30 interviews, went to 17 of them. I had an almost perfect split of 4 vs 6 years that I interviewed at (1 more 6 year). In dental school I was pretty sure I would do a 6 year program because I thought it was the best. I externed at a solid 4 year program and realized they did a significant amount more surgery than my solid home 6 year program. A couple more 4 and 6 year externships and 17 interview later and in my opinion go to a SOLID 6 year if you are dead set on doing fellowship, or if your ego needs to have an MD (I’m not bashing, in the end I seriously considered a 6 year for this reason and I think is totally fine reason to get one). I think doing a 6 year because you will get more respect from other surgical specialties/medicine is dumb. You get respect from surgical specialties based on how good of a surgeon you are. Medicine doctors don’t understand any surgical specialty to begin with anyway so lost cause there. Head and neck surgeon at Bama told me even with his MD and title he is still viewed as a dentist by his colleagues until he proves them otherwise. If you wanted respect that a MD gets by some rando who doesn't know what we do as a specialty, drop your DDS/DMD and don't call yourself an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or you should have gone to medical school and done ENT. Saying 2 extra years doing a 3rd and 4th year of medical school is going to make you a better OMFS makes no sense to me. I could be wrong but I don’t see how following around random services for two years is going to push you to be a better surgeon, there is a reason most people will tell you those two years of medical school feel like getting a break from the grind. It could make you a better hospitalist? IMO lining up a SOLID 6 year vs. a SOLID 4 year you are going to cut more at a 4 year, get out two years earlier, not pay for med school, but not have an MD. In the end it was a no brainer for me and I matched at my top choice which I think is the best 4 year program in the country. We are inundated with complex traumas, orthognathic, cleft, TMJ, etc. No malignant path (which I wanted) and I agree there is an argument to be made that this can make you a more well rounded, but I don't think it outweighs the potential bloat that it can put on your residency training especially if you aren't even planning on doing head and neck. I am freaking busy and loving my life, when Sunday night hits I’m ready to go back to work. OMFS is hands down the best medical or dental specialty out there and that doesn’t change if you go to a 6 year or 4 year. That’s my opinion, feel free to rip into me if you want
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Do you feel better now 🤪 we should leave this thread for what it was intended for. You could have place this in any of the 1,000 threads about 6 vs 4. 😊
 
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Do you feel better now we should leave this thread for what it was intended for. You could have place this in any of the 1,000 threads about 6 vs 4.
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I want to throw my unsolicited two cents in on the 4 vs. 6 year question. I'm only sharing this because this time last year I was having a fierce internal debate on 4-6 and if this is helpful to anyone, great. Also probably not the right place to post this but I'm here now anyway. For context I applied to 34 programs last cycle, got 30 interviews, went to 17 of them. I had an almost perfect split of 4 vs 6 years that I interviewed at (1 more 6 year). In dental school I was pretty sure I would do a 6 year program because I thought it was the best. I externed at a solid 4 year program and realized they did a significant amount more surgery than my solid home 6 year program. A couple more 4 and 6 year externships and 17 interviews later... and in my opinion go to a SOLID 6 year if you are dead set on doing fellowship, or if your ego needs to have an MD (I’m not bashing, in the end I seriously considered a 6 year for this reason and I think is totally fine reason to get one). I think doing a 6 year because you will get more respect from other surgical specialties/medicine is dumb. You get respect from surgical specialties based on how good of a surgeon you are. Medicine doctors don’t understand any surgical specialty to begin with so lost cause there. Head and neck surgeon at Bama told me even with his MD and title he is still viewed as a dentist by his colleagues until he proves them otherwise. If you wanted respect that a MD gets by some rando who doesn't know what we do as a specialty, drop your DDS/DMD and don't call yourself an oral and maxillofacial surgeon or you should have gone to medical school and done ENT. Saying 2 extra years doing a 3rd and 4th year of medical school is going to make you a better OMFS makes no sense to me. I could be wrong but I don’t see how following around random services for two years is going to push you to be a better surgeon, there is a reason most people will tell you those two years of medical school feel like getting a break from the grind. It could make you a better hospitalist? IMO lining up a SOLID 6 year vs. a SOLID 4 year you are going to cut more at a 4 year, get out two years earlier, not pay for med school, but not have an MD. In the end it was a no brainer for me and I matched at my top choice which I think is the best 4 year program in the country. We are inundated with complex traumas, orthognathic, cleft, TMJ, etc. No malignant path (which was a plus for me) and I agree there is an argument to be made that this can make you a more well rounded, but I don't think it outweighs the potential bloat that it can put on your residency training especially if you aren't even planning on doing head and neck. I am freaking busy and loving my life, when Sunday night hits I’m ready to go back to work. OMFS is hands down the best medical or dental specialty out there and that doesn’t change if you go to a 6 year or 4 year. That’s my opinion, feel free to rip into me if you want
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Please create a new thread. Good topic to discuss especially in 2024-2025 since more applicants are applying for 4 year tracks
 
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Definitely 6. At the Shreveport, tons of residents quit, get kicked out or transfer to other programs compared to other programs. Its been going on for years. 4 year spot has been used to fill the vacancy in resident spots with a high performing red shirts.
 
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Definitely 6. At the Shreveport, tons of residents quit, get kicked out or transfer to other programs compared to other programs. Its been going on for years. 4 year spot has been used to fill the vacancy in resident spots with a high performing red shirts.
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Sounds like this is a problem at both LSU programs, any others you know of that applicants should look out for?
 
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Does anyone have any insight into Henry Ford's program? There is just one resident with no upper levels, and it seems like no one else was accepted post match. So I have no idea if it's worth sending an app there
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You can DM me for Qs, I interviewed last year and had good experience/interactions with the attendings
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21 or 11/18 - email 9/19
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21 or 11/18 - email 9/19
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
 
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Me after this cycle started: lemme sign onto sdn, please don't have notifications, it probly means invites were sent out I didn't get
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
 
Hello everyone,

I am a resident in the 6-year track at LSU Health Shreveport (LSUHS). I haven't browsed these forums since dental school many years ago, but I’m realizing that some people have misunderstandings about this residency, and I want to give an honest and blunt breakdown of my program. In posting this comment, I am drawing from my past experiences externing at different OMS programs as a dental student, my subsequent residency interviews at over 30 solid programs, experiences of my friends at other OMS programs, and my own experience in residency over the past many years.

I'd like to specifically reply to comments stating that LSUHS should be avoided due to residents quitting/being kicked out/transferring. In the last 4 years, besides one resident who transferred last year to a different hospital-based residency, no one else has transferred, and nobody else has quit or been fired.

When I applied to residency, I listed LSUHS as #1 as I believed it was the best program in the nation. I can say with confidence that LSUHS is still one of the best programs in the nation to gain exceptional surgical experience. Residents here have true operative autonomy, which is especially important to develop your skill set, and separates us from most other programs. Residents are also exposed to complex cases that many other programs never provide exposure to. At LSUHS, you will cut early and often.

Dr. Kim (our chair) and Dr. Palmieri (our program director) are outstanding surgeons who enjoy teaching and will give you the autonomy, confidence, and skill set to succeed in the OR. Two other attendings, Dr. Alshamrani and Dr. Alotaibi, are some of the best head & neck/OMS surgeons you can learn from, and I can credit a lot of my ability to confidently operate at my current skill level to their guidance. Dr. Hirt and Dr. Allen are newer hires who are also excellent surgeons and are very good and kind people.

When creating your rank list, it is important to also take into consideration the stability of each program, meaning the program’s history over the past many years and its record in producing proficient surgeons. LSUHS has always been one of the most impressive programs in the nation, and graduates from this program absolutely stand out. Dr. Kim has been here for 20 years, and Dr. Palmieri has been here for 16 years. These attendings are both very well respected in the world of OMS. This fact means that LSUHS has a solid foundation that will provide stability for many years to come. I would be wary of new programs as they simply lack the backing in the hospital systems or amongst the faculty to ensure long term stability and can therefore drastically change.

LSUHS is not a program to apply to if you want to coast through residency, party on the weekends, and only be confident with extracting third molars and placing implants as a chief. You will work hard here, but you will be rewarded with the privilege of participating in extraordinary cases and the guarantee of becoming an autonomous, experienced, and competent surgeon upon graduation. LSUHS has given me outstanding experience across the broad scope of OMS. The facial trauma and pathology here are among the best in the country. Our main hospital is a level 1 trauma center, and the facial trauma coverage alternates between ENT and OMS each month, providing a wealth of facial trauma experience. Training at LSUHS also exposes you to some of the most varied and absurd pathology in the nation, and our attendings are extremely skilled in treating these patients. Interns also finish their intern year well-versed in complex patient management and outpatient clinic OMS procedures, which far exceeds the experience of interns at most other programs.

LSUHS will train you to be a real surgeon. If you want to be extremely well-qualified, competent to pursue any fellowship, or venture into an academic or private practice position, this program will prepare you well. I know this forum can have lots of opinions, but I hope that my experiences clarify some questions. It can be hard to differentiate rumors and complete nonsense from the facts in this forum, but I found, when I was in dental school, that the best way to understand a program was by talking to current residents via social media/phone/email/text. If you have any questions, please feel free to DM me, and I’ll try to reply as soon as I can.
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
23. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
 
LSUOMFSRESIDENT said:
Hello everyone,

I am a resident in the 6-year track at LSU Health Shreveport (LSUHS). I haven't browsed these forums since dental school many years ago, but I’m realizing that some people have misunderstandings about this residency, and I want to give an honest and blunt breakdown of my program. In posting this comment, I am drawing from my past experiences externing at different OMS programs as a dental student, my subsequent residency interviews at over 30 solid programs, experiences of my friends at other OMS programs, and my own experience in residency over the past many years.

I'd like to specifically reply to comments stating that LSUHS should be avoided due to residents quitting/being kicked out/transferring. In the last 4 years, besides one resident who transferred last year to a different hospital-based residency, no one else has transferred, and nobody else has quit or been fired.

When I applied to residency, I listed LSUHS as #1 as I believed it was the best program in the nation. I can say with confidence that LSUHS is still one of the best programs in the nation to gain exceptional surgical experience. Residents here have true operative autonomy, which is especially important to develop your skill set, and separates us from most other programs. Residents are also exposed to complex cases that many other programs never provide exposure to. At LSUHS, you will cut early and often.

Dr. Kim (our chair) and Dr. Palmieri (our program director) are outstanding surgeons who enjoy teaching and will give you the autonomy, confidence, and skill set to succeed in the OR. Two other attendings, Dr. Alshamrani and Dr. Alotaibi, are some of the best head & neck/OMS surgeons you can learn from, and I can credit a lot of my ability to confidently operate at my current skill level to their guidance. Dr. Hirt and Dr. Allen are newer hires who are also excellent surgeons and are very good and kind people.

When creating your rank list, it is important to also take into consideration the stability of each program, meaning the program’s history over the past many years and its record in producing proficient surgeons. LSUHS has always been one of the most impressive programs in the nation, and graduates from this program absolutely stand out. Dr. Kim has been here for 20 years, and Dr. Palmieri has been here for 16 years. These attendings are both very well respected in the world of OMS. This fact means that LSUHS has a solid foundation that will provide stability for many years to come. I would be wary of new programs as they simply lack the backing in the hospital systems or amongst the faculty to ensure long term stability and can therefore drastically change.

LSUHS is not a program to apply to if you want to coast through residency, party on the weekends, and only be confident with extracting third molars and placing implants as a chief. You will work hard here, but you will be rewarded with the privilege of participating in extraordinary cases and the guarantee of becoming an autonomous, experienced, and competent surgeon upon graduation. LSUHS has given me outstanding experience across the broad scope of OMS. The facial trauma and pathology here are among the best in the country. Our main hospital is a level 1 trauma center, and the facial trauma coverage alternates between ENT and OMS each month, providing a wealth of facial trauma experience. Training at LSUHS also exposes you to some of the most varied and absurd pathology in the nation, and our attendings are extremely skilled in treating these patients. Interns also finish their intern year well-versed in complex patient management and outpatient clinic OMS procedures, which far exceeds the experience of interns at most other programs.

LSUHS will train you to be a real surgeon. If you want to be extremely well-qualified, competent to pursue any fellowship, or venture into an academic or private practice position, this program will prepare you well. I know this forum can have lots of opinions, but I hope that my experiences clarify some questions. It can be hard to differentiate rumors and complete nonsense from the facts in this forum, but I found, when I was in dental school, that the best way to understand a program was by talking to current residents via social media/phone/email/text. If you have any questions, please feel free to DM me, and I’ll try to reply as soon as I can.
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Do you have concerns about Dr. Ghali possibly starting a residency program, won’t that steal a lot of the cases from LSU? Or do LSU residents still get to work with him and his fellows?
 
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LSUOMFSRESIDENT said:
Hello everyone,

I am a resident in the 6-year track at LSU Health Shreveport (LSUHS). I haven't browsed these forums since dental school many years ago, but I’m realizing that some people have misunderstandings about this residency, and I want to give an honest and blunt breakdown of my program. In posting this comment, I am drawing from my past experiences externing at different OMS programs as a dental student, my subsequent residency interviews at over 30 solid programs, experiences of my friends at other OMS programs, and my own experience in residency over the past many years.

I'd like to specifically reply to comments stating that LSUHS should be avoided due to residents quitting/being kicked out/transferring. In the last 4 years, besides one resident who transferred last year to a different hospital-based residency, no one else has transferred, and nobody else has quit or been fired.

When I applied to residency, I listed LSUHS as #1 as I believed it was the best program in the nation. I can say with confidence that LSUHS is still one of the best programs in the nation to gain exceptional surgical experience. Residents here have true operative autonomy, which is especially important to develop your skill set, and separates us from most other programs. Residents are also exposed to complex cases that many other programs never provide exposure to. At LSUHS, you will cut early and often.

Dr. Kim (our chair) and Dr. Palmieri (our program director) are outstanding surgeons who enjoy teaching and will give you the autonomy, confidence, and skill set to succeed in the OR. Two other attendings, Dr. Alshamrani and Dr. Alotaibi, are some of the best head & neck/OMS surgeons you can learn from, and I can credit a lot of my ability to confidently operate at my current skill level to their guidance. Dr. Hirt and Dr. Allen are newer hires who are also excellent surgeons and are very good and kind people.

When creating your rank list, it is important to also take into consideration the stability of each program, meaning the program’s history over the past many years and its record in producing proficient surgeons. LSUHS has always been one of the most impressive programs in the nation, and graduates from this program absolutely stand out. Dr. Kim has been here for 20 years, and Dr. Palmieri has been here for 16 years. These attendings are both very well respected in the world of OMS. This fact means that LSUHS has a solid foundation that will provide stability for many years to come. I would be wary of new programs as they simply lack the backing in the hospital systems or amongst the faculty to ensure long term stability and can therefore drastically change.

LSUHS is not a program to apply to if you want to coast through residency, party on the weekends, and only be confident with extracting third molars and placing implants as a chief. You will work hard here, but you will be rewarded with the privilege of participating in extraordinary cases and the guarantee of becoming an autonomous, experienced, and competent surgeon upon graduation. LSUHS has given me outstanding experience across the broad scope of OMS. The facial trauma and pathology here are among the best in the country. Our main hospital is a level 1 trauma center, and the facial trauma coverage alternates between ENT and OMS each month, providing a wealth of facial trauma experience. Training at LSUHS also exposes you to some of the most varied and absurd pathology in the nation, and our attendings are extremely skilled in treating these patients. Interns also finish their intern year well-versed in complex patient management and outpatient clinic OMS procedures, which far exceeds the experience of interns at most other programs.

LSUHS will train you to be a real surgeon. If you want to be extremely well-qualified, competent to pursue any fellowship, or venture into an academic or private practice position, this program will prepare you well. I know this forum can have lots of opinions, but I hope that my experiences clarify some questions. It can be hard to differentiate rumors and complete nonsense from the facts in this forum, but I found, when I was in dental school, that the best way to understand a program was by talking to current residents via social media/phone/email/text. If you have any questions, please feel free to DM me, and I’ll try to reply as soon as I can.
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I met Dr. Kim at a conference about a year and a half ago and seriously the nicest guy. At the same conference I sat right next to one last years chiefs at Shreveport during one of the dinners and he let me pick his brain the whole time. I didn’t extern here but at the interview Dr. Palmieri stood out as a super great guy as well, we talked about how awesome Brazil is for most of the interview haha! Again I didn’t extern here and the interview was virtual but every interaction I have had with anyone at the program has only been very positive.

I am curious about the previous question from the last post because I do feel like that is the elephant in the room but again I feel like everyone only hears rumors.

It is a shame when people bash programs or spread rumors that just serve to bring programs down.
 
LSUOMFSRESIDENT said:
Hello everyone,

I am a resident in the 6-year track at LSU Health Shreveport (LSUHS). I haven't browsed these forums since dental school many years ago, but I’m realizing that some people have misunderstandings about this residency, and I want to give an honest and blunt breakdown of my program. In posting this comment, I am drawing from my past experiences externing at different OMS programs as a dental student, my subsequent residency interviews at over 30 solid programs, experiences of my friends at other OMS programs, and my own experience in residency over the past many years.

I'd like to specifically reply to comments stating that LSUHS should be avoided due to residents quitting/being kicked out/transferring. In the last 4 years, besides one resident who transferred last year to a different hospital-based residency, no one else has transferred, and nobody else has quit or been fired.

When I applied to residency, I listed LSUHS as #1 as I believed it was the best program in the nation. I can say with confidence that LSUHS is still one of the best programs in the nation to gain exceptional surgical experience. Residents here have true operative autonomy, which is especially important to develop your skill set, and separates us from most other programs. Residents are also exposed to complex cases that many other programs never provide exposure to. At LSUHS, you will cut early and often.

Dr. Kim (our chair) and Dr. Palmieri (our program director) are outstanding surgeons who enjoy teaching and will give you the autonomy, confidence, and skill set to succeed in the OR. Two other attendings, Dr. Alshamrani and Dr. Alotaibi, are some of the best head & neck/OMS surgeons you can learn from, and I can credit a lot of my ability to confidently operate at my current skill level to their guidance. Dr. Hirt and Dr. Allen are newer hires who are also excellent surgeons and are very good and kind people.

When creating your rank list, it is important to also take into consideration the stability of each program, meaning the program’s history over the past many years and its record in producing proficient surgeons. LSUHS has always been one of the most impressive programs in the nation, and graduates from this program absolutely stand out. Dr. Kim has been here for 20 years, and Dr. Palmieri has been here for 16 years. These attendings are both very well respected in the world of OMS. This fact means that LSUHS has a solid foundation that will provide stability for many years to come. I would be wary of new programs as they simply lack the backing in the hospital systems or amongst the faculty to ensure long term stability and can therefore drastically change.

LSUHS is not a program to apply to if you want to coast through residency, party on the weekends, and only be confident with extracting third molars and placing implants as a chief. You will work hard here, but you will be rewarded with the privilege of participating in extraordinary cases and the guarantee of becoming an autonomous, experienced, and competent surgeon upon graduation. LSUHS has given me outstanding experience across the broad scope of OMS. The facial trauma and pathology here are among the best in the country. Our main hospital is a level 1 trauma center, and the facial trauma coverage alternates between ENT and OMS each month, providing a wealth of facial trauma experience. Training at LSUHS also exposes you to some of the most varied and absurd pathology in the nation, and our attendings are extremely skilled in treating these patients. Interns also finish their intern year well-versed in complex patient management and outpatient clinic OMS procedures, which far exceeds the experience of interns at most other programs.

LSUHS will train you to be a real surgeon. If you want to be extremely well-qualified, competent to pursue any fellowship, or venture into an academic or private practice position, this program will prepare you well. I know this forum can have lots of opinions, but I hope that my experiences clarify some questions. It can be hard to differentiate rumors and complete nonsense from the facts in this forum, but I found, when I was in dental school, that the best way to understand a program was by talking to current residents via social media/phone/email/text. If you have any questions, please feel free to DM me, and I’ll try to reply as soon as I can.
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Just DM'ed you!
 
I have a question, and I hope I'm not coming off as super ignorant, but what is wrong with matching at a heavy cancer program if we are all presuming that all OS's in private practice become proficient in implants/EXTs even if it takes 1-2 years longer? To quote Txmaxface from another post "People on here arguing that applying broadly suggests you don't care where you get in would on the flip side also argue "be humble" and "all programs are the same because you will graduate as an OMS from any program""
 
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I have a question, and I hope I'm not coming off as super ignorant, but what is wrong with matching at a heavy cancer program if we are all presuming that all OS's in private practice become proficient in implants/EXTs even if it takes 1-2 years longer? To quote Txmaxface from another post "People on here arguing that applying broadly suggests you don't care where you get in would on the flip side also argue "be humble" and "all programs are the same because you will graduate as an OMS from any program""
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It has to do with the history of OMS and the recent dichotomy between programs in this country.

At the end of this we are still accredited by CODA which has subpar standards and allows any tom, dick, harry become OMS... as compared to medical specialty boards for OBGyn/plastics which are much more strenuous.

First: We were dentists who went to war that cut on the face and fixed jaw fractures and taught plastic surgeons about it when we re-entered the united states. but some of our medical colleagues didn't respect us in regards to our knowledge base. So we started to get our MDs to become real doctors.

Recent advances in free flaps have made a lot of our field's ability for reconstruction of advanced and difficult cases somewhat obsolete (though some people would say otherwise). Which added importance to the MD and fellowships.

But then MD requirements started changing and focused less on us developing surgical skills and more on us focusing on primary care while in medical school.

Then, inflation occurred, insurance screwed over reimbursement and the cost of school attendance has increased drastically. So the goal for most new applicants has shifted to making as much $$$ as possible. The MD takes time way from teeth and implants which pays bills.

But now different programs exist. some 4 year spots are just tooth/implant/trauma/benign path recon and take people who fit their specific program (please see Oklahoma's resident page. or iowa's). if someone interviews there and says they want head/neck, the attendings will veto them for sure. You wont do head and neck from a 4 year spot. you are better off just saying you want private practice with trauma call and maybe a craniofacial/cosmetic fellowship after you are done.

Alot of 6 year programs in large cities are different and require certain grades to finish their program and an understanding they will be in 12 hour flap cases, doing flap checks all night. Cancer follow-ups and work-ups are intense/involved and everyone just wants to be rich with 0 effort. alot fo 6 year programs want people straight from school and no1 wants to pay additional money straight from school, be forbidden from moonlighting, and live away from home for 6 years. However, most 6 year programs will not take a person if they didn't get in there out of school or a single intern year... so you have to pull the trigger early.

Only those who either played the game or wished they were real doctors from the start get in straight from school now.

At the end of the day, just get into a program. Figure the rest out later. Apply broadly even if you are learning primary care for a bit.
 
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Van Der Woude said:
It has to do with the history of OMS and the recent dichotomy between programs in this country.

At the end of this we are still accredited by CODA which has subpar standards and allows any tom, dick, harry become OMS... as compared to medical specialty boards for OBGyn/plastics which are much more strenuous.

First: We were dentists who went to war that cut on the face and fixed jaw fractures and taught plastic surgeons about it when we re-entered the united states. but some of our medical colleagues didn't respect us in regards to our knowledge base. So we started to get our MDs to become real doctors.

Recent advances in free flaps have made a lot of our field's ability for reconstruction of advanced and difficult cases somewhat obsolete (though some people would say otherwise). Which added importance to the MD and fellowships.

But then MD requirements started changing and focused less on us developing surgical skills and more on us focusing on primary care while in medical school.

Then, inflation occurred, insurance screwed over reimbursement and the cost of school attendance has increased drastically. So the goal for most new applicants has shifted to making as much $$$ as possible. The MD takes time way from teeth and implants which pays bills.

But now different programs exist. some 4 year spots are just tooth/implant/trauma/benign path recon and take people who fit their specific program (please see Oklahoma's resident page. or iowa's). if someone interviews there and says they want head/neck, the attendings will veto them for sure. You wont do head and neck from a 4 year spot. you are better off just saying you want private practice with trauma call and maybe a craniofacial/cosmetic fellowship after you are done.

Alot of 6 year programs in large cities are different and require certain grades to finish their program and an understanding they will be in 12 hour flap cases, doing flap checks all night. Cancer follow-ups and work-ups are intense/involved and everyone just wants to be rich with 0 effort. alot fo 6 year programs want people straight from school and no1 wants to pay additional money straight from school, be forbidden from moonlighting, and live away from home for 6 years. However, most 6 year programs will not take a person if they didn't get in there out of school or a single intern year... so you have to pull the trigger early.

Only those who either played the game or wished they were real doctors from the start get in straight from school now.

At the end of the day, just get into a program. Figure the rest out later. Apply broadly even if you are learning primary care for a bit.
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you’re all over the place, pal
 
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sorry, let me dumb it down for you.

applicants: want to make as much $$$ as possible and fast as they can in order to enjoy their life. they don't care where they get in 4 or 6. they say stuff like "broad" scope.

Chairmans/pds: we want people who fit what our program offers and plan to continue doing hospital OMFS stuff even if it means losing money (whatever that program offers in terms of training)

dichotomy.

you as the applicant should do whats in your best interest. the higher ups will do that for themselves.
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19 , 9/30
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
 
Does anyone have any more info about Geisinger? Looks like only one of their 2024 graduates is a dual degree surgeon so that may be a new thing but their website is sparse on the details.
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19, 9/30
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
26. Iowa - 10/28 - Call 9/30
 
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1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19, 9/30
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
26. Iowa - 10/28 - Call 9/30
27. USC-10/31 or 11/1-email 9/30
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19, 9/30
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
26. Iowa - 10/28 - Call 9/30
27. USC-10/31 or 11/1-email 9/30
28. Kentucky - 11/20 or 11/22 - email 10/1
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19, 9/30
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
26. Iowa - 10/28 - Call 9/30
27. USC-10/31 or 11/1-email 9/30
28. Kentucky - 11/20 or 11/22 - email 10/1
29. Loyola - 10/31 or 11/1 - email 10/1
 
1. Indiana: In-Person - 10/25 & 10/28 - Call June
2. UF Jacksonville - 10/29 & 11/5 - email
3. Henry Ford - 10/24 & 10/25 - email
4. Case Western - 10/4 - email
5. Oklahoma - 10/19 - email 9/10, 11/9 - email 9/13
6. UCSF - 11/1 - email 9/12
7. Carle - 10/8, 10/22, 11/5 - email 9/17
8. Mayo Clinic - 10/14, 10/15 - email 9/18
9. LSU Shrev (6yr) - 10/28 - email 9/19
10. UAB - 10/21, 11/18, 12/2 - email 9/19, 9/24
11. Vanderbilt (4yr) - 11/9 - email 9/19, 9/30
12. UF Gainesville (6y) - 10/24, 10/31, 11/7 - email 9/20
13. Lousiville - 10/15, 10/24, 10/31 - email 9/20
14. Columbia/NYP - 11/13, 11/22 - email 9/23
15. Denver Health- 10/25, 11/1, 11/8, 11/15, 11/22 - email 9/23
16. University of Mississippi Medical Center - 11/07 - email 09/24
17. U of Rochester - 10/28, 10/29 - email 09/24
18. UCLA - 11/17 & 11/18 - email 9/26
19. BU (6yr) - 10/31 - email 9/26
20. Geisinger - 10/15, 10/16, 11/5, 11/6 - email 9/26
21. UT Houston (6YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
22. UT Houston (4YR)- 10/28, 11/18, 12/2, 12/9- email 9/27
23. UTMKC: 11/18 - email 9/27
24. BU (4yr) - 11/4 - email 9/27
25. Vanderbilt (6yr) - 11/16 - email 9/30
26. Iowa - 10/28 - Call 9/30
27. USC-10/31 or 11/1-email 9/30
28. Kentucky - 11/20 or 11/22 - email 10/1
29. Loyola - 10/31 or 11/1 - email 10/1
30. University of Michigan - 11/1 or 12/10 - email 10/1
 
Anyone interviewing at Geisinger on 10/15, 10/16 or 11/5 able to swap with me for an 11/6 slot? I would be very thankful. DM me if you can.
 
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