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Hello everyone!

PASS Application is officially open. Let's start a thread so we can all share information.

Good luck to everyone applying this cycle!

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Pending Interviews:
Boston University
University of Washington
University of Michigan
University of Illinois at Chicago
UT San Antonio
University of Rochester
University of Colorado
Harvard University
University of Alabama at Birmingham
Marquette University
University of Nebraska
UT Houston
University of Southern California
University of Tennessee Health Science Center
Stony Brook University
Indiana University
Oklahoma University
Nova Southeastern University
University of Pittsburgh
Oregon Health and Science University
Ohio State University
St. Louis University
University of Maryland
Rutgers University
Tufts University
Medical University of South Carolina
Loma Linda
UCLA
UCSF
VA in LA
VA in NY
University of Connecticut
University of Florida
Dental College of Georgia at Augusta University
University of Kentucky
University of Louisville
Louisiana State University
University of Minnesota
University of Missouri-Kansas City
Columbia University
New York University
University of North Carolina Chapel Hill
Case Western Reserve University
University of Pennsylvania
Temple University
Texas A&M University
Virginia Commonwealth University
West Virginia University
University of Iowa
University of Detroit Mercy
University at Buffalo
 
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I don't believe VA Indianapolis or Mayo Hospital Perio programs are taking residents (did not see them in the ADEA PASS application). If I am incorrect, please someone correct me.

From my research, the best programs tend to be in the South (i.e. Texas, Alabama, North Carolina, Georgia). Paid programs, from what I've heard, provide little guidance but you gain a lot of experience as you are there to produce for the program...however, quantity does not mean quality.

For those still researching programs, consider the following: location, tuition, program director's credentials, number of residents accepted per year (generally, the more residents the more learning opportunities available as you can share and discuss cases), and the relationship with other specialities (you really want a program that has a strong tie with the prosth department).

Remember, not every perio program is the same. Some focus on classic perio, others on implants, or a mix of both. Determine what kind of periodontist you want to be, and choose a program that meets your goals.
 
the relationship with other specialities (you really want a program that has a strong tie with the prosth department).

Remember, not every perio program is the same. Some focus on classic perio, others on implants, or a mix of both. Determine what kind of periodontist you want to be, and choose a program that meets your goals.
I can't emphasize this part enough. A couple programs I interviewed at don't have a prosth program and they tried to sell me on the idea of ME getting to do the prosth work on cases. Yeah, no thanks. Like you said, it's all about collaboration and learning from your colleagues in different specialties so you know how to treat complex cases.
 
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I can't emphasize this part enough. A couple programs I interviewed at don't have a prosth program and they tried to sell me on the idea of ME getting to do the prosth work on cases. Yeah, no thanks. Like you said, it's all about collaboration and learning from your colleagues in different specialties so you know how to treat complex cases.
Can I ask which programs you discovered don't have a prosth program?
 
OHSU and VCU don't have Prosth from what I know.
 
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Does anyone know which perio programs teach LANAP?
 
It seems like there's very limited information about the perio programs. I see Ortho has the whole list of interview emails and dates filled out.
 
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I am a graduating Perio resident at Temple Dental School and I want to get the details out there so the readers can make your own minds. The truth about Temple is that yes it is very heavy on clinical. The administration prides themselves in being a school that is very clinically oriented, but what they don't tell you is that the patient population is very poor, and very difficult to deal with. The patients curse you out, no shows, give you a difficult time when you're trying to help them, complain about fees, etc. When you get the North Philly patients you will be sifting through "poor quality" patients hopefully to get to the good ones. You will do 10 consultations and maybe 3 will accept your treatment plan. It is a lot of wasted time, and often you have cancellations because they can't come up with the money. Unfortunately, they make you see all the patients for consults. Some patients are from the student clinic, and the students get mad at you for not calling your patients, even if you know they cannot pay. First year, you are scaling and root planing, then after 5 documented scaling and root planing periodontitis patients, you move on to surgery - most of the patients assigned to you are phase 2 osseous or guided tissue regeneration or if you can sell to the patient - extraction bone graft cases. You have to really know how to sell or you won't get good cases.

By third year, though, it got easier, as you can "pick and choose" whatever cases you want. There are so strings to pull to help lower fees for patients, or we "don't bill" certain things like a membrane to lower cost for the patient and get the case. The highest record for implants placed was around 300 for a resident. Some previous residents did not bill 4 or 5 implants, and when they finally did, the patient had a 3000$ balance or something - which was deducted from the restorative fees, which meant the student struggled to get the restorations completed. A resident above my class had done only 60-70 implants. That number will go down. The fee for current implant in Grad Perio at Temple is $927. Bone graft (515$) with resorbable membrane (309$) is 824$. Osseous surgery is 515$ for less than 3 teeth quadrant. Gingival flap is 412$ less than 3 teeth per quadrant. Sinus lift is 1400$, with a membrane is 1700$ - per side. All these fees are increasing. A few years ago the Dean has tried to raise the school fees but the students posted on social media and got the fees to go down as a result. They bill for everything now, bone, membrane, etc. There's a charge for an implant removal which is around 700-800$! Almost equal to an implant! I think if you apply to Temple purely for the clinical experience, you may be disappointed at your results.

We scored very low on the in-service exams, which is the "boards prep" exam every year. The questions are very detail-specific as in author, year, detail about the research study - you had to just know the knowledge or you don't. We rank pretty much in the low 10-20 percentile of the country. We really don't have good literature classes - most of it is us giving presentations on papers, and teach ourselves. The faculty currently leading current literature course does not do a good job at guiding the dissection of the articles themselves.

You have to teach students as part of your weekly duty. Teaching the students are not very productive because the students rush everything and just wants the easy A and don't check in with you properly or scale properly.

The Dean hates our department. Our department makes the most money but because things are under billed, there is prejudice against our department above all other departments. The dean makes every decision money-oriented. A CBCT cost 309$ for both arches which is equal to private practice price. He would not let donors to give our department a CBCT, but Grad Endo is allowed to have their own CBCT. We cannot prescribe a post-op CBCT immediately without writing a request to the Radiology department heads. We have to sneak to the Grad Endo department and beg for a scan if there is post-op complications. I heard the Dean at one of the resident social events made a snide comment that the Grad Oral surgery department is better because they are 6 years training instead of our 3 years.

We also do not get LANAP training, we have a laser but we do not use it often because most of the school space is not equipped to do it unless you have to specifically request a special room in advance. Very inconvenient. The companies cannot donate a laser because the dean would deem it conflict of interest - but he had brought the HEAD OF HEARTLAND DENTAL into school and giving a speech and then begged students to come so he can ask Heartland for a "scholarship".

Last but not least, there is a new Chairman and he is very militaristic - he wants starting in July 1st to have SO many changes:
1) You have to CLOCK IN at 8:30 am and CLOCK OUT at 5 pm every day - Keep in mind, we pay 80,000 a year to attend and practice on cases that are decreasing in quantity, and producing money for a clinic for free. How about you pay us? The graduate endodontics department is right next door to us and some of them leave whenever they want. They're watching Netflix in their free time.
2) a membership to International Team of Implantology study club that cost money yearly.
3) Appointing a Chief resident among us - so they can say no to only ONE of us instead of a monthly meeting of ALL 12 residents.
4) Many more regulations and restrictions, to come.
 
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I am a graduating Perio resident at Temple Dental School and I want to get the details out there so the readers can make your own minds. The truth about Temple is that yes it is very heavy on clinical. The administration prides themselves in being a school that is very clinically oriented, but what they don't tell you is that the patient population is very poor, and very difficult to deal with. The patients curse you out, no shows, give you a difficult time when you're trying to help them, complain about fees, etc. When you get the North Philly patients you will be sifting through "poor quality" patients hopefully to get to the good ones. You will do 10 consultations and maybe 3 will accept your treatment plan. It is a lot of wasted time, and often you have cancellations because they can't come up with the money. Unfortunately, they make you see all the patients for consults. Some patients are from the student clinic, and the students get mad at you for not calling your patients, even if you know they cannot pay. First year, you are scaling and root planing, then after 5 documented scaling and root planing periodontitis patients, you move on to surgery - most of the patients assigned to you are phase 2 osseous or guided tissue regeneration or if you can sell to the patient - extraction bone graft cases. You have to really know how to sell or you won't get good cases.

By third year, though, it got easier, as you can "pick and choose" whatever cases you want. There are so strings to pull to help lower fees for patients, or we "don't bill" certain things like a membrane to lower cost for the patient and get the case. The highest record for implants placed was around 300 for a resident. Some previous residents did not bill 4 or 5 implants, and when they finally did, the patient had a 3000$ balance or something - which was deducted from the restorative fees, which meant the student struggled to get the restorations completed. A resident above my class had done only 60-70 implants. That number will go down. The fee for current implant in Grad Perio at Temple is $927. Bone graft (515$) with resorbable membrane (309$) is 824$. Osseous surgery is 515$ for less than 3 teeth quadrant. Gingival flap is 412$ less than 3 teeth per quadrant. Sinus lift is 1400$, with a membrane is 1700$ - per side. All these fees are increasing. A few years ago the Dean has tried to raise the school fees but the students posted on social media and got the fees to go down as a result. They bill for everything now, bone, membrane, etc. There's a charge for an implant removal which is around 700-800$! Almost equal to an implant! I think if you apply to Temple purely for the clinical experience, you may be disappointed at your results.

We scored very low on the in-service exams, which is the "boards prep" exam every year. The questions are very detail-specific as in author, year, detail about the research study - you had to just know the knowledge or you don't. We rank pretty much in the low 10-20 percentile of the country. We really don't have good literature classes - most of it is us giving presentations on papers, and teach ourselves. The faculty currently leading current literature course does not do a good job at guiding the dissection of the articles themselves.

You have to teach students as part of your weekly duty. Teaching the students are not very productive because the students rush everything and just wants the easy A and don't check in with you properly or scale properly.

The Dean hates our department. Our department makes the most money but because things are under billed (or maybe call it what it is, the patient population here is broke, period). He is all about money, and makes everything money oriented. A CBCT cost 309$ for both arches which is basically private practice price. He would not let donors to give our department a CBCT because he would lose out on money, but Endo gets their own CBCT. We cannot do a post-op CBCT immediately without writing a request to the Radiology department heads. We have to sneak to the grad Endo department and beg. I heard the Dean at one of the resident social events made a snide comment that the Grad Oral surgery department is better because they are 6 years training instead of our 3 years.

We also do not get LANAP training, we have a laser but we do not use it because most of the school space is not equipped to do it unless you have to specifically request a special room in advance. Very inconvenient. The companies cannot donate a laser because the dean would deem it conflict of interest - but he had brought the HEAD OF HEARTLAND DENTAL into giving a speech and then begged students to come so he can ask Heartland for a "scholarship".

Last but not least, there is a new Chairman and he is very militaristic - he wants starting in July 1st to have SO many changes:
1) You have to CLOCK IN at 8:30 am and CLOCK OUT at 5 pm every day - Keep in mind, we pay 80,000 a year to attend and practice on cases that are decreasing in quantity, and producing money for a clinic for free. How about you pay us? The graduate endodontics department is right next door to us and some of them leave whenever they want. They're watching Netflix in their free time.
2) a membership to International Team of Implantology study club that cost money yearly.
3) Appointing a Chief resident among us - so they can say no to only ONE of us instead of a monthly meeting of ALL 12 residents. So, you want a stressed out resident that is unpaid and going to continue losing money and wasting their 3 years to take on extra responsibility?
4) Many more regulations and restrictions, to come...
Thank you for sharing that.
 
I am a graduating Perio resident at Temple Dental School and I want to get the details out there so the readers can make your own minds. The truth about Temple is that yes it is very heavy on clinical. The administration prides themselves in being a school that is very clinically oriented, but what they don't tell you is that the patient population is very poor, and very difficult to deal with. The patients curse you out, no shows, give you a difficult time when you're trying to help them, complain about fees, etc. When you get the North Philly patients you will be sifting through "poor quality" patients hopefully to get to the good ones. You will do 10 consultations and maybe 3 will accept your treatment plan. It is a lot of wasted time, and often you have cancellations because they can't come up with the money. Unfortunately, they make you see all the patients for consults. Some patients are from the student clinic, and the students get mad at you for not calling your patients, even if you know they cannot pay. First year, you are scaling and root planing, then after 5 documented scaling and root planing periodontitis patients, you move on to surgery - most of the patients assigned to you are phase 2 osseous or guided tissue regeneration or if you can sell to the patient - extraction bone graft cases. You have to really know how to sell or you won't get good cases.

By third year, though, it got easier, as you can "pick and choose" whatever cases you want. There are so strings to pull to help lower fees for patients, or we "don't bill" certain things like a membrane to lower cost for the patient and get the case. The highest record for implants placed was around 300 for a resident. Some previous residents did not bill 4 or 5 implants, and when they finally did, the patient had a 3000$ balance or something - which was deducted from the restorative fees, which meant the student struggled to get the restorations completed. A resident above my class had done only 60-70 implants. That number will go down. The fee for current implant in Grad Perio at Temple is $927. Bone graft (515$) with resorbable membrane (309$) is 824$. Osseous surgery is 515$ for less than 3 teeth quadrant. Gingival flap is 412$ less than 3 teeth per quadrant. Sinus lift is 1400$, with a membrane is 1700$ - per side. All these fees are increasing. A few years ago the Dean has tried to raise the school fees but the students posted on social media and got the fees to go down as a result. They bill for everything now, bone, membrane, etc. There's a charge for an implant removal which is around 700-800$! Almost equal to an implant! I think if you apply to Temple purely for the clinical experience, you may be disappointed at your results.

We scored very low on the in-service exams, which is the "boards prep" exam every year. The questions are very detail-specific as in author, year, detail about the research study - you had to just know the knowledge or you don't. We rank pretty much in the low 10-20 percentile of the country. We really don't have good literature classes - most of it is us giving presentations on papers, and teach ourselves. The faculty currently leading current literature course does not do a good job at guiding the dissection of the articles themselves.

You have to teach students as part of your weekly duty. Teaching the students are not very productive because the students rush everything and just wants the easy A and don't check in with you properly or scale properly.

The Dean hates our department. Our department makes the most money but because things are under billed (or maybe call it what it is, the patient population here is broke, period). He is all about money, and makes everything money oriented. A CBCT cost 309$ for both arches which is basically private practice price. He would not let donors to give our department a CBCT because he would lose out on money, but Endo gets their own CBCT. We cannot do a post-op CBCT immediately without writing a request to the Radiology department heads. We have to sneak to the grad Endo department and beg. I heard the Dean at one of the resident social events made a snide comment that the Grad Oral surgery department is better because they are 6 years training instead of our 3 years.

We also do not get LANAP training, we have a laser but we do not use it because most of the school space is not equipped to do it unless you have to specifically request a special room in advance. Very inconvenient. The companies cannot donate a laser because the dean would deem it conflict of interest - but he had brought the HEAD OF HEARTLAND DENTAL into giving a speech and then begged students to come so he can ask Heartland for a "scholarship".

Last but not least, there is a new Chairman and he is very militaristic - he wants starting in July 1st to have SO many changes:
1) You have to CLOCK IN at 8:30 am and CLOCK OUT at 5 pm every day - Keep in mind, we pay 80,000 a year to attend and practice on cases that are decreasing in quantity, and producing money for a clinic for free. How about you pay us? The graduate endodontics department is right next door to us and some of them leave whenever they want. They're watching Netflix in their free time.
2) a membership to International Team of Implantology study club that cost money yearly.
3) Appointing a Chief resident among us - so they can say no to only ONE of us instead of a monthly meeting of ALL 12 residents. So, you want a stressed out resident that is unpaid and going to continue losing money and wasting their 3 years to take on extra responsibility?
4) Many more regulations and restrictions, to come...
Thank for sharing your experience. This will help others decide where to apply.

After all, 3 years is a long time stuck in a program that fails to meet training expectations...
 
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No ivs out yet?
Not yet.

However, I noticed people are not sharing info on SDN like in previous years.

I have been in contact with UTHSA perio about my application materials. Based on what I was told, they have received numerous questions from many other applicants....so it's not a problem of only a few people applying to perio, but more of people not sharing information.

Last year, BU perio released interview invites around mid-June.

Has anyone heard anything?
 
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Thanks for your reply! Also, does anyone know how's the Perio program at Indiana University?
 
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Not yet.

However, I noticed people are not sharing info on SDN like in previous years.

I have been in contact with UTHSA perio about my application materials. Based on what I was told, they have received numerous questions from many other applicants....so it's not a problem of only a few people applying to perio, but more of people not sharing information.

Last year, BU perio released interview invites around mid-June.

Has anyone heard anything?
The cycle literally just opened! I don't think people are purposefully/spitefully "not sharing information." Lets be nice to eachother!
 
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UIC interview invitation was sent on 07/05 for 07/29
 
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Hello! Does anyone have any information on Columbia and NYU? I am currently from CA and I would love to learn more about these programs
 
UW just sent out an invite for 8/9 but unfortunately I'm going to be out of the country 💀
 
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