Official Eternal IM WAMC Thread

[CanadianMedP]

Step 1: 251
Step 2: not yet taken
At a top Canadian med school that's well known in the US
School doesn't release rank, is purely pass fail and has no AOA ranking
Research: 4 papers (3 as first author) all in mid tier internal or cardio journals. 4 poster presentations. Will most likely be getting more pubs before I'll be submitting my application.
Extracurricular: nothing mind blowing, mostly global health related, president of one club.
Will get one strong LOR from the head of MD/PH.D. at my school. Anticipating getting several other strong IM letters.

What are my chances at the top East coast programs? Also trying to figure out at what point it would be better to stay in Canada and go to the university of Toronto for internal.

Thanks!

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[bobloblaw123]

AMG
Med school: Unranked
Step 1: 249
Step 2: 258
Grades: H in everything except P in IM (there is an explanation) and HP in OB/GYN, H in Medicine Sub-I
AOA: Nope
Research: 4 papers, 2 first authors, bunch of posters
Extracurricular: president of clubs, tutorings, the usual
Hoping for 3 strong LORs from IM specialists

The question is....am I basically shut out of top 10-30 IM programs? Should I apply to them? Looking for programs from northeast and west, can you guys name some good mid-tiers in these places besides montefiore, hofstra, tufts, george washington, olive view-harbor UCLA, Kaiser LA, Scribbs?

 

[whoknows2012]

AMG
Med school: Unranked
Step 1: 249
Step 2: 258
Grades: H in everything except P in IM (there is an explanation) and HP in OB/GYN, H in Medicine Sub-I
AOA: Nope
Research: 4 papers, 2 first authors, bunch of posters
Extracurricular: president of clubs, tutorings, the usual
Hoping for 3 strong LORs from IM specialists

The question is....am I basically shut out of top 10-30 IM programs? Should I apply to them? Looking for programs from northeast and west, can you guys name some good mid-tiers in these places besides montefiore, hofstra, tufts, george washington, olive view-harbor UCLA, Kaiser LA, Scribbs?

Are you closed out? Tough to say. Your research and steps are impressive. Certainly can't hurt to apply. Also would be important to know where non-aoa people from your school have matched in the class. Where are you ranked in your class? The mid tier programs in the northeast that I would add are;

BU, brown, Jefferson, Hopkins bayview, temple, Georgetown, upmc (arguably not mid tier but would still apply) and Maryland. What city would you most like to be in?

 

[IniestaDeMiVida]

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[bobloblaw123]

Im not sure where I'm ranked, hopefully top 1/2. As far as Non-AOA matches....I really am not sure....Just trying to get the right ratio of top tier and safeties. I would like to end up in Manhattan, Washington, or Los angeles

 

[IM88]

AMG
Med school: Unranked
Step 1: 249
Step 2: 258
Grades: H in everything except P in IM (there is an explanation) and HP in OB/GYN, H in Medicine Sub-I
AOA: Nope
Research: 4 papers, 2 first authors, bunch of posters
Extracurricular: president of clubs, tutorings, the usual
Hoping for 3 strong LORs from IM specialists

The question is....am I basically shut out of top 10-30 IM programs? Should I apply to them? Looking for programs from northeast and west, can you guys name some good mid-tiers in these places besides montefiore, hofstra, tufts, george washington, olive view-harbor UCLA, Kaiser LA, Scribbs?

I think the answer partly depends on the reason for the P in IM, and whether you have anyone at your school that can advocate for you behind the scenes to secure interviews at some "top" programs. The P in IM will probably stand out on first glance, but could be negated by strong letters and having someone to advocate on your behalf. Your other grades and research are working in your favor. Your Step I/II shouldn't get you screened out anywhere. As @whoknows2012 mentioned, knowing where non-AOA students have interviewed/matched in the past can help establish some realistic expectations.

 

[Perfect Hair Day]

Curious thought: what is one's recourse when their medical school only offers P/F for clerkships/rotations? There is no HP or Honors designation at my medical school, so I cannot "Honor" my IM rotation in the sense that it would otherwise be denoted on a transcript at other medical schools...

 

[FrisbeeDocIM]

Curious thought: what is one's recourse when their medical school only offers P/F for clerkships/rotations? There is no HP or Honors designation at my medical school, so I cannot "Honor" my IM rotation in the sense that it would otherwise be denoted on a transcript at other medical schools...

If your school only does P/F and not H/HP/P/F, then it's usually spelled out in the Dean's letter and the people reviewing your application will see.

 

[IMRules]

Are you closed out? Tough to say. Your research and steps are impressive. Certainly can't hurt to apply. Also would be important to know where non-aoa people from your school have matched in the class. Where are you ranked in your class? The mid tier programs in the northeast that I would add are;

BU, brown, Jefferson, Hopkins bayview, temple, Georgetown, upmc (arguably not mid tier but would still apply) and Maryland. What city would you most like to be in?

UPMC "arguably not mid tier"?! I think you can take the "arguably" out of that statement. I would also put BU in the upper part of the mid tier.

 

[Buttermellow]

Alright, trying to put together a list of programs to apply to and could use some help. I have no idea what I'm competitive for, but I'm guessing mid-tier programs. Looking to apply mostly in the midwest, but might add some programs slightly outside of that. I come from a mid-tier midwestern allopathic school.

Stats:
Step 1: 234
Step 2: 264
Class Rank: unknown, but I'm pretty sure it will be in top half, maybe top quartile
3rd year grades: All honors, except a pass in IM (go figure)
4th year grades: Honors in GI Sub-I, suspect I will get honors in another medical consult subspecialty (I will have 1 letter writer from each of these services)
Research: none except for an abstract/poster from undergrad
ECs: volunteering at the student-run free clinic, a few one-time volunteer events, tutored 1st years for a few months, and of course my own hobbies.
Letters: 1 from GI Sub-I attending (younger doctor, but spent most time with her), 1 from medicine subspecialty (older doctor, really liked me, name carries some weight) , 1 from neurology (older doctor, really really liked me)

List so far (would like to end up with about 20):
Univ. of Utah
Case Western
Univ. of Cincinnati
Ohio state
Univ. of Nebraska
Wake Forest
Univ. of Missouri - KC
SLU
Univ. of Kansas
Indiana Univ.
Southern Illinois Univ.
Loyola
UIC
U of Chicago
Rush
Univ. of Iowa
Emory
Univ. of Colorado
UAB

Any places I should add? drop? Any programs I've listed that are considered malignant?

 

[gutonc]

Alright, trying to put together a list of programs to apply to and could use some help. I have no idea what I'm competitive for, but I'm guessing mid-tier programs. Looking to apply mostly in the midwest, but might add some programs slightly outside of that. I come from a mid-tier midwestern allopathic school.

Stats:
Step 1: 234
Step 2: 264
Class Rank: unknown, but I'm pretty sure it will be in top half, maybe top quartile
3rd year grades: All honors, except a pass in IM (go figure)
4th year grades: Honors in GI Sub-I, suspect I will get honors in another medical consult subspecialty (I will have 1 letter writer from each of these services)
Research: none except for an abstract/poster from undergrad
ECs: volunteering at the student-run free clinic, a few one-time volunteer events, tutored 1st years for a few months, and of course my own hobbies.
Letters: 1 from GI Sub-I attending (younger doctor, but spent most time with her), 1 from medicine subspecialty (older doctor, really liked me, name carries some weight) , 1 from neurology (older doctor, really really liked me)

List so far (would like to end up with about 20):
Univ. of Utah
Case Western
Univ. of Cincinnati
Ohio state
Univ. of Nebraska
Wake Forest
Univ. of Missouri - KC
SLU
Univ. of Kansas
Indiana Univ.
Southern Illinois Univ.
Loyola
UIC
U of Chicago
Rush
Univ. of Iowa
Emory
Univ. of Colorado
UAB

Any places I should add?

UMinn
Wisco
Creighton
WashU (reach, but what's an extra $30?)
Vandy (see WashU)
UNC
MUSC
Maryland
Hopkins-Bayview

Some of those might be out of your geographic preference but not by much.

 

[Buttermellow]

UMinn
Wisco
Creighton
WashU (reach, but what's an extra $30?)
Vandy (see WashU)
UNC
MUSC
Maryland
Hopkins-Bayview

Some of those might be out of your geographic preference but not by much.

Thanks! I'm actually from the other med school in St.Louis, and basically everyone applies to WashU, so I probably will too. Also Vandy, because I really like Nashville, even if it's a reach. I heard Creighton was kind of malignant? Haven't directly spoken to any residents there though. Thanks for the suggestions!

 

[rand0mstud3nt]

Hello I just recently decided on IM so I'm not really sure where I fit and which programs I have a shot at. I will be applying to programs in the NE

Step 1: 237
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
School: Mid-Tier NE
Rank: not available yet (suspect top 30-40%)
Preclinical Grades: Mostly H first and second year
Third year clerkships: P in OBGYN, the rest HP (including IM, how bad does this look?)
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: None
Extracurriculars: Volunteer at student-run clinic and some hobbies
LORs: Chairman's letter, IM letter from PD, IM letter from attending I rotated with.

Programs I am thinking of applying to:
UPMC
U of Rochester
BU
Hopkins - Bayview
Tufts
Jefferson
Brown
Mt Sinai - Luke
UMD
Dartmouth
Einstein-Jacobi
Northshore LIJ
Ohio St.
Case Western
UCONN
Rutgers
Umass
SUNY Stony Brook

Thank you!

 

[235009]

Hello I just recently decided on IM so I'm not really sure where I fit and which programs I have a shot at. I will be applying to programs in the NE

Step 1: 237
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
School: Mid-Tier NE
Rank: not available yet (suspect top 30-40%)
Preclinical Grades: Mostly H first and second year
Third year clerkships: P in OBGYN, the rest HP (including IM, how bad does this look?)
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: None
Extracurriculars: Volunteer at student-run clinic and some hobbies
LORs: Chairman's letter, IM letter from PD, IM letter from attending I rotated with.

Programs I am thinking of applying to:
UPMC
U of Rochester
BU
Hopkins - Baystate
Tufts
Jefferson
Brown
Mt Sinai - Luke
UMD
Dartmouth
Einstein-Jacobi
Northwell LIJ
Ohio St.
Case Western
UCONN
Rutgers
Umass
SUNY Stony Brook

Thank you!

This post is oddly similar to post #550. Same "Northwell LIJ" mistake, calling St Lukes "Mt Sinai - Luke". Also wtf is Hopkins baystate? It's Bayview.

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[deleted628516]

IMG
Step 1: 219
Step 2: 244
CS: Pass
Step 3: 213
grad year: 2013
currently EM resident PGY 2 in my home country
1 poster presentation
1 mo. USCE 2 US LORs from Anesthesia and 1 from my PD
no red flags

no geographic preference, hope to specialise in CC
I'm pretty much desperate and will be applying to 100+ programs
Do I have a chance of matching this year? applying to programs with high IMG% on FREIDA, but many of them don't have that information up. any input to which programs I should be looking at?

 

[rand0mstud3nt]

This post is oddly similar to post #550. Same "Northwell LIJ" mistake, calling St Lukes "Mt Sinai - Luke". Also wtf is Hopkins baystate? It's Bayview.

Go away.


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Thanks for pointing out my mistakes, I have corrected them. As I stated in my original post, I just recently decided on IM and have not really looked into the all the programs. I did copy some of MeGoodManIThink's list because we have the same step 1 score are interested in the same geographical region. Other than that our apps are pretty different.

Otherwise, do you have any input as to WAMC for matching at any of these programs?

 

[235009]

Thanks for pointing out my mistakes, I have corrected them. As I stated in my original post, I just recently decided on IM and have not really looked into the all the programs. I did copy some of MeGoodManIThink's list because we have the same step 1 score are interested in the same geographical region. Other than that our apps are pretty different.

Otherwise, do you have any input as to WAMC for matching at any of these programs?

No. You have two posts and I already replied pretty thoroughly to the guy who's post you copied. Good luck.


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[deleted628516]

any input anyone? should I apply to programs initially accredited in 2015/2016?

 

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[Perfect Hair Day]

Really struggling to put together my list - having trouble knowing what my 'range' is, and my dean has been far from helpful. I've got 35 on my list right now but I'm just not sure if that's too many.. too little? Any help would be appreciated!

School: top 50 US MD
Step 1: low 240s, Step2 CK: mid 250s, CS: pending
Class rank: 2nd quartile
AOA: nah
GHHS: yes
Grades: all Hs except surgery and OB (both HP), honors IM sub-I
Research: 2x undergrad pubs, 1x 5th author pub med school, 2x presentations

Mainly focused on west coast programs. Essentially all of the UCs, USC, + CA community programs, Colorado, Utah, Oregon, UWash (lol), Emory, UT Austin, Wake Forest, UNC, MUSC?

Why "lol" for UWash?

 

[packerstacker87]

Why "lol" for UWash?

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[Perfect Hair Day]

I know it would be a very big reach, but 'lol' was basically the response my dean gave me when I asked about keeping it on my list. But since money isn't real I figured there's no harm in sending my application.

Not sure where you attend medical school, but with the exception of 3rd year performance and GHHS, your stats seems very similar to mine - two of my deans responded positively about U-dub and the Californian programs when I asked. Ask around, don't base your ERAS application on the opinions of one person. I don't care if I'm a 3rd year currently, this advice applies to all realms of life and profession.

 

[235009]

Not sure where you attend medical school, but with the exception of 3rd year performance and GHHS, your stats seems very similar to mine - two of my deans responded positively about U-dub and the Californian programs when I asked. Ask around, don't base your ERAS application on the opinions of one person. I don't care if I'm a 3rd year currently, this advice applies to all realms of life and profession.

The overarching advice for residency applications is: when in doubt just apply. All you've got to lose is $16-26 (based on how many programs you're applying to). So rather than agonizing over your chances you can find out for sure for a nominal fee.

 

[Perfect Hair Day]

The overarching advice for residency applications is: when in doubt just apply. All you've got to lose is $16-26 (based on how many programs you're applying to). So rather than agonizing over your chances you can find out for sure for a nominal fee.

There's something called having realistic expectations. Otherwise, why have this thread?

 

[235009]

There's something called having realistic expectations. Otherwise, why have this thread?

The only useful thing this thread provides is caution to those whose lists are top heavy or who are overestimating their competitiveness.


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[gutonc]

The only useful thing this thread provides is caution to those whose lists are top heavy or who are overestimating their competitiveness.

I consider this thread to be essentially a spam filter.

 

[IniestaDeMiVida]

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[Tazo Bactam]

Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice on what my fiancee and I can expect in the couples match process. We are both applying to internal medicine with an interest in different subspecialties. Our applications are a little different in a few key areas and I wasn't sure how this would impact our potential interview invites and likelihood to match. We really appreciate any thoughts you all may have!

Me
Step 1: 235
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
School: Mid-tier in Midwest
Rank: Top 20%
Preclinical Grades: Mix H and Ps first and second year (only H and P at our school, no HP for courses or clerkships)
Third year clerkships: H in Neuro, Peds, Psych, Reseach Elective and P in IM, Surgery, Family and Sub I
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: 5 basic science publications, 1 clinical publication, 6 presentations at local and regional conferences, currently researching in IM subspecialty with 2 more publications anticipated over next year, NIH internship, MPH, interested in academic career
Extracurriculars: Student-run clinic, student teacher in multiple areas, a few leadership positions, a few volunteer activities
LORs: Chair letter, Med/Peds attending, IM attending, Peds attending, well known IM subspecialty research mentor (need to cut one)

Her
Step 1: 251
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
Rank: Top 10%
Preclinical Grades: Mix H and Ps first and second year
Third year clerkships: H in Neuro, OBGYN, Psych and P in IM, Surgery, Family, Surgery and Sub I
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: scattered research experiences, working on 1 case report and submitting one study for peer-review in IM subspecialty
Extracurriculars: Similar
LORs: Chair letter, IM letter from associate PD, IM attending letter, well known IM subspecialty research mentor (different subspecialty)

Obviously, we understand the P in IM hurts us. Both of us missed the shelf cutoff by the narrowest of margins on IM and SubI. Will our extremely strong clinical evaluations on those rotations help at all or is that irrelevant?

Programs: Rush, Loyola, Wisconsin, Iowa, Miami, Thomas Jefferson, UIC, UT-Memphis, UNC, Pitt, Georgetown, Hopkins-Bayview, Montefiore (Bronx), Wake Forest, VCU, Louisville, Indiana, University of Kentucky, University of Florida, Cincinnati, USF, MUSC, Minnesota, Case Western, Colorado, George Washington, Maryland, Ohio State, UAB, Cleveland Clinic, Wash U, UPenn, Michigan, Vandy, Baylor, University of Chicago, Northwestern, Mayo-MN, Emory, Yale, UVA, Darthmouth, Brown, UWash, Cornell

We are mostly looking in the Mid-west and have a strong interest in Mayo and Hopkins Bayview for personal and professional reasons, are these complete reaches for us?

Again, thank you all in advance for your help!

 

[fouryearslong]

I was wondering if anyone had advice for a DO student who wants to apply to ACGME IM programs, preferably university-based, may potentially want to sub-specialize.

COMLEX 1: ~635
COMLEX 2: ~755
Preclinical: Mix of HP and H
Clinical: H in IM, H in cores. HP in 2 others. No Ps or Fs
Research: Basic science poster, and some minor research during clinicals but no publications (not a big research girl)
ECs: Various club positions, worked for scribing and tutoring, occasional volunteering
LORs: 1 from IM attending, 1 from OB/Gyn attending that I feel can be strong, chair letter, cardiologist, and program director of IM (I'm debating on whether I want to use this one or not because I don't know how "strong" of a letter it is even though he said he was willing to write one)

I am not limited by geographical location. I just want to go to a program where I will be well-trained. Any ideas on what type of programs I should be aiming for? This process is so stressful I don't even know where to start. Thank you in advance!

 

[235009]

I was wondering if anyone had advice for a DO student who wants to apply to ACGME IM programs, preferably university-based, may potentially want to sub-specialize.

COMLEX 1: ~635
COMLEX 2: ~755
Preclinical: Mix of HP and H
Clinical: H in IM, H in cores. HP in 2 others. No Ps or Fs
Research: Basic science poster, and some minor research during clinicals but no publications (not a big research girl)
ECs: Various club positions, worked for scribing and tutoring, occasional volunteering
LORs: 1 from IM attending, 1 from OB/Gyn attending that I feel can be strong, chair letter, cardiologist, and program director of IM (I'm debating on whether I want to use this one or not because I don't know how "strong" of a letter it is even though he said he was willing to write one)

I am not limited by geographical location. I just want to go to a program where I will be well-trained. Any ideas on what type of programs I should be aiming for? This process is so stressful I don't even know where to start. Thank you in advance!

There's a thread with a list of university IM programs that consider DOs. Lack of a step 1 score might hold you back at some places.


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[fouryearslong]

There's a thread with a list of university IM programs that consider DOs. Lack of a step 1 score might hold you back at some places.


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Thank you so much! I found the thread. Sorry to be a pain, what would you consider some possible strong community locations?

 

[IM88]

Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice on what my fiancee and I can expect in the couples match process. We are both applying to internal medicine with an interest in different subspecialties. Our applications are a little different in a few key areas and I wasn't sure how this would impact our potential interview invites and likelihood to match. We really appreciate any thoughts you all may have!

Me
Step 1: 235
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
School: Mid-tier in Midwest
Rank: Top 20%
Preclinical Grades: Mix H and Ps first and second year (only H and P at our school, no HP for courses or clerkships)
Third year clerkships: H in Neuro, Peds, Psych, Reseach Elective and P in IM, Surgery, Family and Sub I
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: 5 basic science publications, 1 clinical publication, 6 presentations at local and regional conferences, currently researching in IM subspecialty with 2 more publications anticipated over next year, NIH internship, MPH, interested in academic career
Extracurriculars: Student-run clinic, student teacher in multiple areas, a few leadership positions, a few volunteer activities
LORs: Chair letter, Med/Peds attending, IM attending, Peds attending, well known IM subspecialty research mentor (need to cut one)

Her
Step 1: 251
Step 2 CK/CS: Pending
Rank: Top 10%
Preclinical Grades: Mix H and Ps first and second year
Third year clerkships: H in Neuro, OBGYN, Psych and P in IM, Surgery, Family, Surgery and Sub I
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: scattered research experiences, working on 1 case report and submitting one study for peer-review in IM subspecialty
Extracurriculars: Similar
LORs: Chair letter, IM letter from associate PD, IM attending letter, well known IM subspecialty research mentor (different subspecialty)

Obviously, we understand the P in IM hurts us. Both of us missed the shelf cutoff by the narrowest of margins on IM and SubI. Will our extremely strong clinical evaluations on those rotations help at all or is that irrelevant?

Programs: Rush, Loyola, Wisconsin, Iowa, Miami, Thomas Jefferson, UIC, UT-Memphis, UNC, Pitt, Georgetown, Hopkins-Bayview, Montefiore (Bronx), Wake Forest, VCU, Louisville, Indiana, University of Kentucky, University of Florida, Cincinnati, USF, MUSC, Minnesota, Case Western, Colorado, George Washington, Maryland, Ohio State, UAB, Cleveland Clinic, Wash U, UPenn, Michigan, Vandy, Baylor, University of Chicago, Northwestern, Mayo-MN, Emory, Yale, UVA, Darthmouth, Brown, UWash, Cornell

We are mostly looking in the Mid-west and have a strong interest in Mayo and Hopkins Bayview for personal and professional reasons, are these complete reaches for us?

Again, thank you all in advance for your help!

I think this list is appropriately broad. Michigan, Penn, Northwestern, and University of Washington will probably be very difficult to get interviews with the P's in medicine and lack of AOA. Mayo, Vanderbilt, University of Chicago, and Wash U are probably reaches as well. The strong track record of publications is working in your favor. I would drop the pediatrics letter unless one of your other IM letters isn't strong. If you can get someone to actually read your clinical evaluations they might be helpful, but there are so many internal medicine applicants that much of the initial filtering for interviews is based on Step 1/2, clerkship grades, and whether you have any inside connections.

 

[gutonc]

I was wondering if anyone had advice for a DO student who wants to apply to ACGME IM programs, preferably university-based, may potentially want to sub-specialize.

COMLEX 1: ~635
COMLEX 2: ~755
Preclinical: Mix of HP and H
Clinical: H in IM, H in cores. HP in 2 others. No Ps or Fs
Research: Basic science poster, and some minor research during clinicals but no publications (not a big research girl)
ECs: Various club positions, worked for scribing and tutoring, occasional volunteering
LORs: 1 from IM attending, 1 from OB/Gyn attending that I feel can be strong, chair letter, cardiologist, and program director of IM (I'm debating on whether I want to use this one or not because I don't know how "strong" of a letter it is even though he said he was willing to write one)

I am not limited by geographical location. I just want to go to a program where I will be well-trained. Any ideas on what type of programs I should be aiming for? This process is so stressful I don't even know where to start. Thank you in advance!

You don't mention which "tier" of DO school you're at (and I usually hate talking about this kind of thing).

If you're coming from PCOM/KCOM/CCOM, with stats like yours, any program that even remotely considers DOs will take a look at you.

Coming from a "newer" place (LECOM, TCOM, Western, etc)? You're not getting the big programs on the coasts but the rest of them are yours for the taking.

RVU-COM, LUCOM (and their ilk...I honestly can't keep up with the number of DO schools these days)? Apply where people have matched from your school in the past and then throw another $3-500 at programs you really want to go to.

 

[235009]

Thank you so much! I found the thread. Sorry to be a pain, what would you consider some possible strong community locations?

When it comes to community programs you have to pick a geographic location and focus on that. Community programs are pretty open to DOs.

You don't mention which "tier" of DO school you're at (and I usually hate talking about this kind of thing).

If you're coming from PCOM/KCOM/CCOM, with stats like yours, any program that even remotely considers DOs will take a look at you.

Coming from a "newer" place (LECOM, TCOM, Western, etc)? You're not getting the big programs on the coasts but the rest of them are yours for the taking.

RVU-COM, LUCOM (and their ilk...I honestly can't keep up with the number of DO schools these days)? Apply where people have matched from your school in the past and then throw another $3-500 at programs you really want to go to.

I don't really see much of an indication looking at DO match lists that programs are really considering "tiers" of DO schools. Other than regional bias I don't think programs are really looking at the specific DO school an applicant is from.




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[lactate_lemon]

Step 1: low 240s
Step 2 CK/CS: high 230s/ PASS
School: Unranked state school
Rank: Second Quartile
Preclinical Grades: Mostly HP with a few H here and there
Third year clerkships: H in Neuro, Psych, FM and Electives (Cardiology, Pulmonology, Radiology) HP in the rest
4th year: H Sub I
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: none
Extracurriculars: Student-run clinic mostly
LORs: Chair letter, and 2 IM attendings

Looking to apply in the SE, and had the following programs in mind. Open to any and all suggestions
Reach: UTSW, Baylor, UNC, Duke, Vanderbilt
Scott and White, UMC, UAB, UVA, MUSC, Wake, UAMS, Emory, Tulane

 

[EgyAorta]

Hi guys
So here it is I am an IMG who graduated in 2011 did a cardiology residency in my home country,My step scores are 190/247/215 CS on 1st attempt , did 3 observerships. I applied last year with a lighter CV - no step 3 and Just 1 observership- this year I ll have 3 American LORs + 1 from my mentor back home.
I want to hear your thoughts about an IMG with that kind of a profile who is applying for categorical IM , any ideas will be appreciated.

 

[AnalisCanalis]

Hi guys
So here it is I am an IMG who graduated in 2011 did a cardiology residency in my home country,My step scores are 190/247/215 CS on 1st attempt , did 3 observerships. I applied last year with a lighter CV - no step 3 and Just 1 observership- this year I ll have 3 American LORs + 1 from my mentor back home.
I want to hear your thoughts about an IMG with that kind of a profile who is applying for categorical IM , any ideas will be appreciated.

I don't think your chances are good at all. You have a decent CK score and provided that you finished residency in your home country that might also be working to your favor. That being said, there are some major issues with your application. Those being a very low step 1 score, 5+ years since graduation, no real USCE, and most importantly the fact that you already applied once without success. I think your best shot would be to match in one of the places where you did your observerships but other than that I wouldn't be overly optimistic. Did you interview last year?

 

[Scope guy]

Hi guys
So here it is I am an IMG who graduated in 2011 did a cardiology residency in my home country,My step scores are 190/247/215 CS on 1st attempt , did 3 observerships. I applied last year with a lighter CV - no step 3 and Just 1 observership- this year I ll have 3 American LORs + 1 from my mentor back home.
I want to hear your thoughts about an IMG with that kind of a profile who is applying for categorical IM , any ideas will be appreciated.

ur step 1 score is so low tht u ll be filtered out in almost all programs. Havent really heard of any IMG who matched with score <200. Ur step 1 is gonna be the real bad deal. regardless u cant change it now. u can try to work in community programs in obsie, prove them with ur knowledge so that they ignore ur step 1 score. ur step 2 CK and step 3 are good ones, those ll help u if u happen to be in a place where u impress them immensely

 

[EgyAorta]

I don't think your chances are good at all. You have a decent CK score and provided that you finished residency in your home country that might also be working to your favor. That being said, there are some major issues with your application. Those being a very low step 1 score, 5+ years since graduation, no real USCE, and most importantly the fact that you already applied once without success. I think your best shot would be to match in one of the places where you did your observerships but other than that I wouldn't be overly optimistic. Did you interview last year?

No, I applied to few programs last year

 

[Dex87]

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[235009]

Would love someone to tell me whether I'm applying to the right programs, IM is sounding more competitive than I thought for the better programs:

Med School: University-based state school (US Allopathic), Just inside 50th in rank, west of Mississippi.
Step 1: 254
Step 2's: Take in October, should do fine
Class Rank: At least 75th %ile (class of 100-ish)
AOA/GHHS: Nope
Clerkships:
- Honor: IM Sub-I (4.0), Surgery (VERY few did), IM (barely), Psych, Neuro
- High Pass: Family
- Pass: Peds & OB
Research:
- Undergrad: 2 organic chem pubs in good chem journals from undergrad, also 1 ethics paper (sole author) and 1 preventive healthcare paper and in peer-reviewed "undergraduate" journals (was told to include these)
- Med School: ENT clinical research: summer research program w/ funding -- 1 poster, a systematic review just submitted for invited review, Multi-case report pending submission (1st author).
Extracurriculars: plenty of service and unique media projects with student affairs.
LORs: Very strong but not from famous people: 2 IM clinical, 1 research PI + Dept./MSPE

Long shots: UCLA, Penn, Duke, UMich, Mayo, Northwestern, Yale, WashU
Still Reaching: UTSW, Baylor, Pitt, UWash, USC, UCSD, Cedars-Sinai
Variable: UVA, OHSU, Emory, Vanderbilt, U of Chicago, U of Alabama, UNC, Cleveland Clinic, UC-Davis, Colorado, Utah, maybe Ohio State/Case

Anything else anyone would recommend?

Looks reasonable

 

[797803]

Step 1: 260
Step 2 CK/CS: taking in October
School: in the top 40
Rank: First Quartile
Preclinical Grades: mix of honors, pass
3rd and 4th year clerkships: ~50/50 honors, excellent (honors in IM and MICU sub-I)
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: one project in progress
Extracurriculars: officer of a couple of groups, good mix of volunteering
LORs: IM department chair, three IM attendings (strongest is from associate PD)

My Current List:
Mayo Clinic, MN (top choice)
University of Minnesota
Hennepin County Medical Center
Abbott-Northwestern Hospital
University of Wisconsin
University of Colorado
University of Chicago
Northwestern University
Massachusetts General Hospital
Boston University
Brigham and Women's Hospital
Johns Hopkins University
UCSF
UCLA
Stanford University
UPenn
OHSU
University of Washington
Duke University
Vanderbilt University

I have a lot of reach programs (i figured why not given each program only costs $12-15) and looking for more programs that I would have a great shot at, any thoughts? appreciate the help!

 

[235009]

Step 1: 260
Step 2 CK/CS: taking in October
School: in the top 40
Rank: First Quartile
Preclinical Grades: mix of honors, pass
3rd and 4th year clerkships: ~50/50 honors, excellent (honors in IM and MICU sub-I)
GHHS: No
AOA: No
Research: one project in progress
Extracurriculars: officer of a couple of groups, good mix of volunteering
LORs: IM department chair, three IM attendings (strongest is from associate PD)

My Current List:
Mayo Clinic, MN (top choice)
University of Minnesota
Hennepin County Medical Center
Abbott-Northwestern Hospital
University of Wisconsin
University of Colorado
University of Chicago
Northwestern University
Massachusetts General Hospital
Boston University
Brigham and Women's Hospital
Johns Hopkins University
UCSF
UCLA
Stanford University
UPenn
OHSU
University of Washington
Duke University
Vanderbilt University

I have a lot of reach programs (i figured why not given each program only costs $12-15) and looking for more programs that I would have a great shot at, any thoughts? appreciate the help!

Why is mayo your top choice? Are you from MN? With your stats I'd be absolutely shocked if you don't match there so if that truly is your top choice your list seems reasonable. You may not get a large number of interviews but you'll have no problem matching at your "top choice".


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[797803]

Why is mayo your top choice? Are you from MN? With your stats I'd be absolutely shocked if you don't match there so if that truly is your top choice your list seems reasonable. You may not get a large number of interviews but you'll have no problem matching at your "top choice".


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Yeah originally from MN, looking to come back. Are there other strong programs that I should consider? I realize I could match at Mayo but I would like to have a diverse interview trail as well to fully explore my options. Thanks again.

 

[235009]

Yeah originally from MN, looking to come back. Are there other strong programs that I should consider? I realize I could match at Mayo but I would like to have a diverse interview trail as well to fully explore my options. Thanks again.

If you'd be happy with Mayo or UMinn then you're all set with the rest of your list as is. The only concern is that it's geographically all over the place so you might end up spending quite a lot on travel for interviews.

 

[fouryearslong]

You don't mention which "tier" of DO school you're at (and I usually hate talking about this kind of thing).

If you're coming from PCOM/KCOM/CCOM, with stats like yours, any program that even remotely considers DOs will take a look at you.

Coming from a "newer" place (LECOM, TCOM, Western, etc)? You're not getting the big programs on the coasts but the rest of them are yours for the taking.

RVU-COM, LUCOM (and their ilk...I honestly can't keep up with the number of DO schools these days)? Apply where people have matched from your school in the past and then throw another $3-500 at programs you really want to go to.

I'm coming from what I would believe is an "established" DO school, but it's reassuring to know I have some options open. Thank you!

When it comes to community programs you have to pick a geographic location and focus on that. Community programs are pretty open to DOs.
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Thank you! It's tough sifting through so many programs without being able to know about their quality or reputation. Worst fear is going to a good location but terrible program!

 

[gutonc]

Merging with the IM WAMC forum where this actually belongs.

 

[bobloblaw123]

Sorry to post again, just wanted to show you guys the schools im applying to. So again my stats are:

AMG
Med school: Unranked
Step 1: High 240s
Step 2: High 250s
Grades: H in everything except P in IM (there is an explanation), H in Medicine Sub-I, 2nd quartile
AOA: Nope
Research: 4 papers, 2 first authors, bunch of posters
Extracurricular: Strong
Hoping for 3 strong LORs from IM specialists

Here the schools im putting down so far on my list:

Baylor
Beth Israel deaconess
Brigham and Womens
Cleveland Clinic
Duke
Emory
Mt. Sinai main school
Johns Hopkins
MGH
McGaw northwestern
Columbia
Cornell
NYU
St. Louis
Stanford
UCLA
UCSF
UCSD
U of Chicago
U-Penn
UWash
WashU
UPMC
Yale

BU
Brown
Cedar Sinai
Dartmouth
George Washington
Hofrsta northwell new hyde
Jacobi
J-Hop/bayview
Harbor UCLA
Montefiore
Olive view-UCLA
Pennsylvania hosp U-Penn
Scripps green
Tufts
UC Davis
UC Irvine
LAC+USC

Downstate
Hofstra Lenox Hill
Mt. Sinai Bronx, Elmhurst, SLR
Kaiser SF
Kaiser LA

Am I top heavy? What other programs in Northeast/West should I add for mid tier and safetiea?

 

[PTFoolUS]

AMG - Mid Tier East Coast

Step 1- 235
Step 2- Pending
Grades: no class ranking
1-2 = Mix of P, HP H
3 = H - GI elective, Radiology elective, FM, Psych. HP- Medicine, Peds, P: OB, Surgery
4: honors Sub I
AOA: No
Research: 2 Pubs, (1st and 4th), handful posters/abstracts, overall above average
EC: Good involvement in and out school
LOR: 3 solid letters from IM

My list: I ideally want to end up in New York/ NJ, Miami, or LA; but id also do Philly, and a couple top places to reach. Am I applying to too many programs? Am i under or over shooting? Am i paranoid? lol

NJ
Newark Beth Israel (Jersey City)
St Barnabas Livingston
Monmouth Medical Center
Hackensack UMC
Atlantic Health Morristown
RWJ
St Peters / RWJ
NYMC St Michaels
Newark Beth ISrael
NJMS Rutgers
NYMC St Joesphs
Atlantic Health Overlook
Seton Hall Trenton

NY
Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center Program
Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (Bronx) Program
Jacobi Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Moses and Weiler Campuses) Program
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Wakefield Campus) Program
St Barnabas Hospital Program Bronx
Brookdale University Hospital and Medical Center Program
Brooklyn Hospital Center Program
Interfaith Medical Center Program
Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Center Program
Lutheran Family Health Center Program

Maimonides Medical Center Program
New York Methodist Hospital Program
New York University School of Medicine/Brooklyn Campus Program
Suny Brooklyn (top)
Nassau University
Mt Sinai Elmhurst
Flushing hosp
Ny Presby Queens
Hoftra Forest Hills
Mt Sinai Queens
Winthrop (Top)
Hoftra New Hyde Park
Montefiore new rochelle
Hoftra Lenox hill (Top)
Mt sinai beth israel (Top)
Mt sinai reg (top)
NYU (Top)
Mt sinai st lukes (Top)
Cornell
Columbia
stony brook
hoftra staten island
NYMC metro

Miami
Jackson
Kendall
Mt sinai miami beach (top)

LA
Kaiser So Cal
cedars sinai
UCLA olive view
UCLA
USC
white memorial
Irvine
UCLa harbor

Philly
Penn
Jefferson
Temple

Reach
Beth Israel Deaconess
BGW
Mass Gen
Yale
Stanford

 

[whoknows2012]

AMG - Mid Tier East Coast

Step 1- 235
Step 2- Pending
Grades: no class ranking
1-2 = Mix of P, HP H
3 = H - GI elective, Radiology elective, FM, Psych. HP- Medicine, Peds, P: OB, Surgery
4: honors Sub I
AOA: No
Research: 2 Pubs, (1st and 4th), handful posters/abstracts, overall above average
EC: Good involvement in and out school
LOR: 3 solid letters from IM

My list: I ideally want to end up in New York/ NJ, Miami, or LA; but id also do Philly, and a couple top places to reach. Am I applying to too many programs? Am i under or over shooting? Am i paranoid? lol

NJ
Newark Beth Israel (Jersey City)
St Barnabas Livingston
Monmouth Medical Center
Hackensack UMC
Atlantic Health Morristown
RWJ
St Peters / RWJ
NYMC St Michaels
Newark Beth ISrael
NJMS Rutgers
NYMC St Joesphs
Atlantic Health Overlook
Seton Hall Trenton

NY
Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center Program
Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (Bronx) Program
Jacobi Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Moses and Weiler Campuses) Program
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Wakefield Campus) Program
St Barnabas Hospital Program Bronx
Brookdale University Hospital and Medical Center Program
Brooklyn Hospital Center Program
Interfaith Medical Center Program
Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Center Program
Lutheran Family Health Center Program

Maimonides Medical Center Program
New York Methodist Hospital Program
New York University School of Medicine/Brooklyn Campus Program
Suny Brooklyn (top)
Nassau University
Mt Sinai Elmhurst
Flushing hosp
Ny Presby Queens
Hoftra Forest Hills
Mt Sinai Queens
Winthrop (Top)
Hoftra New Hyde Park
Montefiore new rochelle
Hoftra Lenox hill (Top)
Mt sinai beth israel (Top)
Mt sinai reg (top)
NYU (Top)
Mt sinai st lukes (Top)
Cornell
Columbia
stony brook
hoftra staten island
NYMC metro

Miami
Jackson
Kendall
Mt sinai miami beach (top)

LA
Kaiser So Cal
cedars sinai
UCLA olive view
UCLA
USC
white memorial
Irvine
UCLa harbor

Philly
Penn
Jefferson
Temple

Reach
Beth Israel Deaconess
BGW
Mass Gen
Yale
Stanford

Before I answer, what does "top" mean?