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[kZamBam778]

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School: low tier MD in the south
Step 1: 244
Step 2: 245 (Unfortunate as my UWSAs had me at 250+)
AOA: No
GHHS: No
Research: 3 publications, 1 first author; 5 published abstracts; multiple poster and oral presentations at national/international conferences, 2 manuscripts currently pending review.
Clerkships: P for all clerkships (school only does P/F grading so definitely no help here; strong evals from all clerkship directors however)
EC's: typical club stuff, group tutoring, student president of IM interest group, state medical corps, nothing outstanding

Here's my question:
I know I am not a top30 program candidate just based on my scores and AOA alone, and that's something I am fine with, never been married to the idea of attending those programs. I have ties to the west coast, and it would be ideal to go back there to be with my S.O. but if that is not possible, I would be content being in the midwest or central timezone as well.At this point in time, I am thinking of apply to at least 50+ programs to maximize my chances, and with virtual interviews being the norm this cycle, I am somewhat nervous of how the cycle will go for me given my underperformance on step2. Would appreciate an evaluation and suggestions for my list.

Career aspirations: Unsure of fellowship at this point in time, but would like to keep doors open. Am thinking of something procedural like GI, but not dead set on it. May very well be happy being an internist depending on how residency goes.

Programs

Reaches/Dreams: UCLA, UCSD, UCSF, University of Washington, UTSW, Baylor, OHSU, UoColorado, UNC, JHU-Bayview, Cedars-Sinai

Target(?): UCLA-OV, UCLA-Harbor, LAC+USC, UCI, UCD, Scripps, CPMC, Santa Clara, Wake, Wisconsin, Iowa, Loyola, Rush, UIC, Arizona (Phoenix/Tucson), Mayo (Arizona), Montefiore, Einstein Healthcare Network, tOSU, Case Western, Cleveland Clinic, VCU, Tulane, Northwell, Temple, Rochester, UMD, McGovern, Georgetown, GWU

Safety: Kaiser-SoCal, Huntington, Virginia Tech, EVMS,

 

[disorder]

School: low tier MD in the south
Step 1: 244
Step 2: 245 (Unfortunate as my UWSAs had me at 250+)
AOA: No
GHHS: No
Research: 3 publications, 1 first author; 5 published abstracts; multiple poster and oral presentations at national/international conferences, 2 manuscripts currently pending review.
Clerkships: P for all clerkships (school only does P/F grading so definitely no help here; strong evals from all clerkship directors however)
EC's: typical club stuff, group tutoring, student president of IM interest group, state medical corps, nothing outstanding

Here's my question:
I know I am not a top30 program candidate just based on my scores and AOA alone, and that's something I am fine with, never been married to the idea of attending those programs. I have ties to the west coast, and it would be ideal to go back there to be with my S.O. but if that is not possible, I would be content being in the midwest or central timezone as well.At this point in time, I am thinking of apply to at least 50+ programs to maximize my chances, and with virtual interviews being the norm this cycle, I am somewhat nervous of how the cycle will go for me given my underperformance on step2. Would appreciate an evaluation and suggestions for my list.

Career aspirations: Unsure of fellowship at this point in time, but would like to keep doors open. Am thinking of something procedural like GI, but not dead set on it. May very well be happy being an internist depending on how residency goes.

Programs

Reaches/Dreams: UCLA, UCSD, UCSF, University of Washington, UTSW, Baylor, OHSU, UNC,

Target(?): LAC+USC, UCI, UCD, Wake, Wisconsin, Iowa, Loyola, Rush, UIC, tOSU, Case Western, Cleveland Clinic, VCU, Tulane, , Rochester, UMD, McGovern, Georgetown, GWU, JHU-Bayview, Cedars-Sinai, UoColorado

Safety: Kaiser-SoCal, Huntington, Virginia Tech, EVMS, UCLA-OV, UCLA-Harbor, Scripps, CPMC, Santa Clara, Montefiore, Einstein Healthcare Network, Mayo (Arizona), Northwell, Temple, Arizona (Phoenix/Tucson)

Reaches: Mt Sinai, Cornell, Columbia, UChicago, Duke, NW, Mayo
Target: UMich, UUTah

Added some above. Moved around places in bold. You'll be picking and choosing which safeties you want to ditch.

 

[whoknows2012]

Reaches: Mt Sinai, Cornell, Columbia, UChicago, Duke, NW, Mayo
Target: UMich, UUTah

Added some above. Moved around places in bold. You'll be picking and choosing which safeties you want to ditch.

Monte belongs in the target range and not safety with that kinda app and scores but otherwise agree with your assessment

Northeast centric, but the below programs are generally “equal” in terms of competitiveness.

Georgetown
BU
UMD
Jeff
Monte
Hopkins bayview
Dartmouth
Rochester

Brown, tufts, temple, gw are also close enough but probably slightly less competitive

 

[kZamBam778]

Reaches: Mt Sinai, Cornell, Columbia, UChicago, Duke, NW, Mayo
Target: UMich, UUTah

Added some above. Moved around places in bold. You'll be picking and choosing which safeties you want to ditch.

Thank you for taking the time to give me some direction. I appreciate it!

 

[disorder]

Monte belongs in the target range and not safety with that kinda app and scores but otherwise agree with your assessment

Northeast centric, but the below programs are generally “equal” in terms of competitiveness.

Georgetown
BU
UMD
Jeff
Monte
Hopkins bayview
Dartmouth
Rochester

Brown, tufts, temple, gw are also close enough but probably slightly less competitive

Agreed. Monte is Target.

 

[Valsartan]

Hello! I'm a current 4th year DO student from the Northeast looking to see what are my chances to match at a NYC program. My goal is to complete a fellowship but I am currently undecided on which but I want the option to complete one.

Step 1: 238.
Step 2: 258
Level 1/2: 600+

Class rank: 1st quartile
SSP (DO honor society): yes
Grades: 1 honor (IM) and rest HP's
Research: 1 poster, 1 case report
EC's: I have my fair share of volunteering, tutoring, club position, etc
LORs: My letters are likely solid/strong. 2 are from attendings and 1 from a chair

I've looked into programs throughout the city and a few in New Jersey and some seem to take in-house for fellowship opportunities. What are my chances to match to these places:
Montefiore
Mt Sinai Beth Israel
Mt Sinai St. Lukes
Lenox Hill
NYP Queens
Maimonides
Winthrop
Staten Island University
Downstate
RWJ in New Jersey?

I understand the bigger name programs like Cornell/Columbia/NYU/Mt Sinai Main are out of the question. Would really appreciate anyone's input so I can get an idea of where to apply and to avoid programs I don't have a shot at. Thank you all, hope you're doing well in these times!

 

[disorder]

Hello! I'm a current 4th year DO student from the Northeast looking to see what are my chances to match at a NYC program. My goal is to complete a fellowship but I am currently undecided on which but I want the option to complete one.

Step 1: 238.
Step 2: 258
Level 1/2: 600+

Class rank: 1st quartile
SSP (DO honor society): yes
Grades: 1 honor (IM) and rest HP's
Research: 1 poster, 1 case report
EC's: I have my fair share of volunteering, tutoring, club position, etc
LORs: My letters are likely solid/strong. 2 are from attendings and 1 from a chair

I've looked into programs throughout the city and a few in New Jersey and some seem to take in-house for fellowship opportunities. What are my chances to match to these places:
Montefiore
Mt Sinai Beth Israel
Mt Sinai St. Lukes
Lenox Hill
NYP Queens
Maimonides
Winthrop
Staten Island University
Downstate
RWJ in New Jersey?

I understand the bigger name programs like Cornell/Columbia/NYU/Mt Sinai Main are out of the question. Would really appreciate anyone's input so I can get an idea of where to apply and to avoid programs I don't have a shot at. Thank you all, hope you're doing well in these times!

You have a chance at all of them except maybe Monte and RWJ.
Add Northwell to your list.
Good luck, there are also plenty of "better" places to train outside of NYC area.

 

[Valsartan]

You have a chance at all of them except maybe Monte and RWJ.
Add Northwell to your list.
Good luck, there are also plenty of "better" places to train outside of NYC area.

Thank you for letting me know! Are the cutoffs for Monte very high or do they just not interview DO's? I am still researching more programs in the northeast and will be looking outside of NYC also. When you mention Northwell, are you referring to Northwell Northshore/LIJ? Thanks again

 

[whoknows2012]

Thank you for letting me know! Are the cutoffs for Monte very high or do they just not interview DO's? I am still researching more programs in the northeast and will be looking outside of NYC also. When you mention Northwell, are you referring to Northwell Northshore/LIJ? Thanks again

Monte has had on the order of 6-7categorial DOs and 3-4 primary care DO’s since 2015. They definitely look at DOs especially ones from well known schools and good apps but out of 50 or so categoricals/primary care spots anywhere from 1-3 are DOs

 

[disorder]

Thank you for letting me know! Are the cutoffs for Monte very high or do they just not interview DO's? I am still researching more programs in the northeast and will be looking outside of NYC also. When you mention Northwell, are you referring to Northwell Northshore/LIJ? Thanks again

Yup. Northwell Northshore LIJ. It's a solid medicine program.
Columbia, Cornell, Sinai/NYU, Monte, Northshore/Downstate. That's how I'd rank them.

 

[Valsartan]

Yup. Northwell Northshore LIJ. It's a solid medicine program.
Columbia, Cornell, Sinai/NYU, Monte, Northshore/Downstate. That's how I'd rank them.

What are my chances at Stony Brook? So you would rank Downstate over programs like Lenox Hill or Mt Sinai St Lukes?

 

[ogdoc321]

Hi everyone!

I am a DO student applying Internal Medicine this upcoming cycle! Would love some feedback from the community and some ideas of what university programs I should focus on. Mainly looking to stay in the South/SouthEast. Any help is appreciated!

Step 1 : 232
Step 2 : 250

Level 1: 546
Level 2: 615

Honors on all my Internal medicine Rotations (cardio/heme-onc/ambulatory) Honors in some other rotations too
LOR: decent LORs from a hospital with a residency program
I have some volunteer hours (60 hours) and I was a Peer Mentor throughout college and medical school.

No honors society

 

[disorder]

What are my chances at Stony Brook? So you would rank Downstate over programs like Lenox Hill or Mt Sinai St Lukes?

A tentative yes. I don't know if anything has changed since Lenox Hill was taken over by Northshore and St Lukes taken over by Sinai.

 

[AlteredScale]

Hi everyone!

I am a DO student applying Internal Medicine this upcoming cycle! Would love some feedback from the community and some ideas of what university programs I should focus on. Mainly looking to stay in the South/SouthEast. Any help is appreciated!

Step 1 : 232
Step 2 : 250

Level 1: 546
Level 2: 615

Honors on all my Internal medicine Rotations (cardio/heme-onc/ambulatory) Honors in some other rotations too
LOR: decent LORs from a hospital with a residency program
I have some volunteer hours (60 hours) and I was a Peer Mentor throughout college and medical school.

No honors society

Give us a list of places/programs you are thinking, general goals (fellowship?), and we can give you better feedback.

 

[AlteredScale]

What are my chances at Stony Brook?

The intern class has 3 or 4 DO's. How they matched there is a black box unless you know them but you know the drill, it's a mixture of scores, letters, community service/research, rotations, in some random mixture of importance based on the preference of a few APD's and PD and maybe (probably) the chair of department. Apply and see how it turns out.

 

[johnpablo85]

School: California DO

Step 1: 250+
Step 2: 260+
AOA: n/a
GHHS: No
Research: 1 poster presentation
Clerkships: Honors in IM, surgery, psych
LORS: 2 SubI, 1 Chair, 1 3rd year IM, 1 3rd year surgery

Hoping for a SoCal program with a chance at doing Heme-One in the future.

Reach:
UCSD
Cedars Sinai
Kaiser LA
USC/LAC

Target:
UCI
Scripps Green
Scripps Mercy
Loma Linda
UCR
Huntington Memorial
UCLA Olive View
UCSF Fresno

Other:
Adventist White Memorial
Community Memorial Ventura
Desert Regional
Eisenhower
Riverside Community
Santa Barbara Cottage
West Anaheim
OPTI West Long Beach
San Ysidro

 

[AlteredScale]

School: California DO

Step 1: 250+
Step 2: 260+
AOA: n/a
GHHS: No
Research: 1 poster presentation
Clerkships: Honors in IM, surgery, psych
LORS: 2 SubI, 1 Chair, 1 3rd year IM, 1 3rd year surgery

Hoping for a SoCal program with a chance at doing Heme-One in the future.

Reach:
UCSD
Cedars Sinai
Kaiser LA
USC/LAC

Target:
UCI
Scripps Green
Scripps Mercy
Loma Linda
UCR
Huntington Memorial
UCLA Olive View
UCSF Fresno

Other:
Adventist White Memorial
Community Memorial Ventura
Desert Regional
Eisenhower
Riverside Community
Santa Barbara Cottage
West Anaheim
OPTI West Long Beach
San Ysidro

This is a very solid target and reach list based on your application. I would add UCLA Harbor and UC Davis. Bump hunitngon onto your other/safety list. Scripps Green, though fitting for your scores, is probably more of a reach than a target. They have an exceptional HO program and have a wealth of research next to them being in the research park by UC San Diego. Of their entire class of 30, there are 2 DO's. Still worth a shot though. Kaiser LA will give you attention. UCSD and Cedars Sinai are crap shoots and I believe each one has maybe 1 DO. USC/LAC has shifted away from taking DO's entirely and even with their gigantic class size, there's not a single DO in any year.

Are you not open to any other program outside of CA? Because being at a university program will make life much easier for you in pursuing HO than being at a small SoCal community program (especially programs that have not had anyone match HO for fellowship in a few years, like desert regional) that's closer to home. IF you are open to it I would add: UArizona, UNM, OHSU, Virginia Mason, UW, Mayo AZ, St Jospeh, UNLV to your list. Its up to you, if you are dead set on being "close to home" as most form SoCal are, then just remember you will need work quite a bit harder in getting the research, clinical exposure, and letters into heme/onc.

 

[johnpablo85]

This is a very solid target and reach list based on your application. I would add UCLA Harbor and UC Davis. Bump hunitngon onto your other/safety list. Scripps Green, though fitting for your scores, is probably more of a reach than a target. They have an exceptional HO program and have a wealth of research next to them being in the research park by UC San Diego. Of their entire class of 30, there are 2 DO's. Still worth a shot though. Kaiser LA will give you attention. UCSD and Cedars Sinai are crap shoots and I believe each one has maybe 1 DO. USC/LAC has shifted away from taking DO's entirely and even with their gigantic class size, there's not a single DO in any year.

Are you not open to any other program outside of CA? Because being at a university program will make life much easier for you in pursuing HO than being at a small SoCal community program (especially programs that have not had anyone match HO for fellowship in a few years, like desert regional) that's closer to home. IF you are open to it I would add: UArizona, UNM, OHSU, Virginia Mason, UW, Mayo AZ, St Jospeh, UNLV to your list. Its up to you, if you are dead set on being "close to home" as most form SoCal are, then just remember you will need work quite a bit harder in getting the research, clinical exposure, and letters into heme/onc.

I figured Mayo AZ, OHSU, UCLA, UW and UC Davis would be just as unreachable if not more than UCSD/Cedars. I'll probably just remove USC from list. I thought I'd give UCSD a shot being a SD native.

I was worried Scripps Green might be too reachy but at least more probable than UCSD.

I do like the looks of the UArizona, will definitely add those to my list. UNLV and Virginia Mason I'm little more on the fence, I might add them. I appreciate and am definitely open to more suggestions like these.

For a lot of the programs I figured if they had a weak match list at least I'd be close to home.

Thanks for your input!

 

[disorder]

I figured Mayo AZ, OHSU, UCLA, UW and UC Davis would be just as unreachable if not more than UCSD/Cedars. I'll probably just remove USC from list. I thought I'd give UCSD a shot being a SD native.

I was worried Scripps Green might be too reachy but at least more probable than UCSD.

I do like the looks of the UArizona, will definitely add those to my list. UNLV and Virginia Mason I'm little more on the fence, I might add them. I appreciate and am definitely open to more suggestions like these.

For a lot of the programs I figured if they had a weak match list at least I'd be close to home.

Thanks for your input!

UCSD > UCD and Scripps Green and is a superior program to both and matches better than both for H/O (and any other specialty for that matter). UCSD, in its history, has had one DO if I recall.
OHSU, UCLA, UW unreachable. To my knowledge, no DO's have passed through these programs.

 

[AlteredScale]

UCSD > UCD and Scripps Green and is a superior program to both and matches better than both for H/O (and any other specialty for that matter). UCSD, in its history, has had one DO if I recall.
OHSU, UCLA, UW unreachable. To my knowledge, no DO's have passed through these programs.

UCSD is absolutely the longest shot for a DO.

There’s 2-3 DOs in each year of OHSU house staff right now. There have been a few DOs at UW but essentially unreachable.

 

[AlteredScale]

I figured Mayo AZ, OHSU, UCLA, UW and UC Davis would be just as unreachable if not more than UCSD/Cedars. I'll probably just remove USC from list. I thought I'd give UCSD a shot being a SD native.

I was worried Scripps Green might be too reachy but at least more probable than UCSD.

I do like the looks of the UArizona, will definitely add those to my list. UNLV and Virginia Mason I'm little more on the fence, I might add them. I appreciate and am definitely open to more suggestions like these.

For a lot of the programs I figured if they had a weak match list at least I'd be close to home.

Thanks for your input!

Well OHSU has DOs in each year of their program. I didn’t suggest UCLA main I suggested UCLA harbor which isn’t as competitive. Neither are on the same plane of competition as Cedars Sinai or UCSD.

That’s fine fore the weak programs. Again it’s your priority and yours only. If being closer to home takes precedence over being a university program thats absolutely fine.

Glad to help.

 

[johnpablo85]

Well OHSU has DOs in each year of their program. I didn’t suggest UCLA main I suggested UCLA harbor which isn’t as competitive. Neither are on the same plane of competition as Cedars Sinai or UCSD.

That’s fine fore the weak programs. Again it’s your priority and yours only. If being closer to home takes precedence over being a university program thats absolutely fine.

Glad to help.

Oh my bad, will include Harbor for sure. I am definitely more interested in places like UArizona over places like Desert Regional when it comes down to it.

 

[ogdoc321]

Give us a list of places/programs you are thinking, general goals (fellowship?), and we can give you better feedback.

Sure, thank you for the reply: Just wanted to note I am actually from Texas, but did my medical school outside of Texas.

Texas: Temple-BSW, Methodist houston, UT-San Antonio, UTMB, UT-Houston, UT-Austin.

Louisiana: LSU-NOLA

Florida: UF-JAX, UF- Gainsville, Orlando Health, Advent Health, Cleveland Clinic

Tennessee: UT-memphis, UT-Chatt, UT-Nashville

SC: Prisma Health- Columbia, Prisma health-greenville,

NC: wake-forest

OK: University of Ok- Tulsa, University of Ok- OK city

These are some programs I am really interested in, would love to hear any feedback or any other recommendations.

 

[ogdoc321]

Interested in doing a fellowship in: cardiology, Heme-ONC, or Nephro

 

[Sanic Hegehog]

School: Mid tier MD in South
Step 1: 240-245
Step 2: 255-260
AOA: No
Rank: bottom quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 1 first author publication with multiple poster presentations associated with it, another editorial
Clerkships: Honor IM, FM, Surgery, HP all else
EC's: Scattered volunteering and mentoring

List:
BCM
UTSW
Emory
Mayo
BIDMC
BWH
MGH
Michigan
WashU
Vandy
JHU
Cornell
Columbia
Colorado
UTHSCSA
UTH
UTMB
UTA
UNC
Virginia
UCLA
UCSF
UCSD
UWash
Penn
UPMC
Yale
UChicago
Northwestern
Alabama
Duke
Rush
Cleveland Clinic
Case Western
Thomas Jefferson
Iowa
Ohio State
Temple
USC
Boston
NYU
Icahn
Tufts

No idea how competitive I am for the above programs, would appreciate any feedback

 

[AlteredScale]

Sure, thank you for the reply: Just wanted to note I am actually from Texas, but did my medical school outside of Texas.

Texas: Temple-BSW, Methodist houston, UT-San Antonio, UTMB, UT-Houston, UT-Austin.

Louisiana: LSU-NOLA

Florida: UF-JAX, UF- Gainsville, Orlando Health, Advent Health, Cleveland Clinic

Tennessee: UT-memphis, UT-Chatt, UT-Nashville

SC: Prisma Health- Columbia, Prisma health-greenville,

NC: wake-forest

OK: University of Ok- Tulsa, University of Ok- OK city

These are some programs I am really interested in, would love to hear any feedback or any other recommendations.

This is a good start. This is about 20
Programs so I would def consider adding more. Think about looking at more community programs that either have an in house HO fellowship, or have a track record of matching residents in to HO (on their website usually), and/or are close enough to another academic center with HO where you can rotate or do research at. I suggest adding at minimum..20 more programs (USF? UCF? Mayo Florida?).

If you’re open to going past the states you listed you could also consider the following university programs (especially since most interviews are virtual now): penn state, geisinger, VT-Carilion Clinic, VCU, KU, UMKC, SLU, Mizzou.

 

[doctorinthesky]

Note: I'm an international student at a USMD school, I need a visa, preferably H1B given the current political climate

School: Mid tier MD, South
Step 1: 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
AOA: Yes
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 2 research posters, 2 vignettes, 1 manuscript (not first author)
Clerkships: unfortunately all are pass/fail at my school, but top 25% in all of them on MSPE
EC's: 4-5 leadership, 4-5 community service. 4 academic awards in med school.

Goals: Hopefully H1B visa, possible fellowship, New York preferable as I have family there.

Reach:
Icahn MSSM
Yale
Cornell/Columbia/ NYU (only offer J1)
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPenn
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
UChicago

Target (?):
Montefiore
Zucker
Icahn morningside west
Jacobi
NYMC
Westchester
Sidney Kimmel
Temple
BU
Tufts
Rush

Safeties:
Downstate
Maimonides
Icahn Beth Israel
Albert Einstein philly
Yale Greenwich/ bridgeport

(I have other programs at other states on my list adding to a total of 40 programs)

I would really love some insight as this year is going to be so different than other years and there's also very little info out there for USMD's who are on visas. I know it will be extremely hard for me to procure an H1B so on ERAS I'm applying for both H1 and J1 however I'm tired of living in constant fear and would very much like some stability. Thank you all so much for your help! 🙂

 

[disorder]

Interested in doing a fellowship in: cardiology, Heme-ONC, or Nephro

Those are all pretty different specialties...

 

[disorder]

School: Mid tier MD in NE
Step 1: 248
Step 2: 260
AOA: No
Rank: bottom 50
GHHS: No
Research: 2 publications (1 middle author basic science pre-med, 1 clinical review article during med school), from some projects that didn't pan out a couple of abstracts (no national conferences during med school though), couple of presentations (only regional/ local), project in the works now that I can at least talk about..
Clerkships: no honors m3, IM clerkship p/f due to covid, honors in IM sub-i
EC's: average
Strong connection and reasons to be on west coast (grew up there, entire family is there, surfing as major hobby, etc). My goal is to get back to SoCal area

Reaches: Colorado, UCD, UCSD, OHSU, Cedars, Utah, Wisconsin
Targets: Scripps Green, Harbor, UCI, USC, OV, SCVMC, Kaiser Oakland, Kaiser SF, Cal Pacific, Kaiser Santa Clara, Rush,U Illinois, OSU, UT Dell, Virginia Mason, Mayo AZ, Providence Oregon
Safeties: UAZ, Scripps Mercy, Saint Joseph

edit: no NE programs on list because I hate it here and would rather die than stay (definitely part of the reason there is such a discrepancy between scores and grades)

add Kaiser LA and Loma Linda
add Ucla for reach.


Looks reasonable to me. Welcome back to the best coast.

 

[whoknows2012]

Note: I'm an international student at a USMD school, I need a visa, preferably H1B given the current political climate

School: Mid tier MD, South
Step 1: 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
AOA: Yes
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 2 research posters, 2 vignettes, 1 manuscript (not first author)
Clerkships: unfortunately all are pass/fail at my school, but top 25% in all of them on MSPE
EC's: 4-5 leadership, 4-5 community service. 4 academic awards in med school.

Goals: Hopefully H1B visa, possible fellowship, New York preferable as I have family there.

Reach:
Icahn MSSM
Yale
Cornell/Columbia/ NYU (only offer J1)
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPenn
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
UChicago

Target (?):
Montefiore
Zucker
Icahn morningside west
Jacobi
NYMC
Westchester
Sidney Kimmel
Temple
BU
Tufts
Rush

Safeties:
Downstate
Maimonides
Icahn Beth Israel
Albert Einstein philly
Yale Greenwich/ bridgeport

(I have other programs at other states on my list adding to a total of 40 programs)

I would really love some insight as this year is going to be so different than other years and there's also very little info out there for USMD's who are on visas. I know it will be extremely hard for me to procure an H1B so on ERAS I'm applying for both H1 and J1 however I'm tired of living in constant fear and would very much like some stability. Thank you all so much for your help! 🙂

Northwell
Sinai west
Jacobi
Nymc-wmc(not sure what Westchester is?)

should all be in safety range. Don’t bother applying to Sinai BI

 

[ogdoc321]

Those are all pretty different specialties...

Yes they are. I really enjoy all three fields, I did rotations in each one my third year in medical school and can see myself doing each one. I'm hoping to guide my decision when I am in residency. Did you get a chance to look at my original post with my scores and programs I am interested in? I would really appreciate any feedback you can provide.

 

[softball2344]

Explain?

It’s hard to get good clinical evals if you are depressed :/ steps and shelfs went well for the most part but at my school clinical evals basically make up your entire clerkship grade

 

[softball2344]

add Kaiser LA and Loma Linda
add Ucla for reach.


Looks reasonable to me. Welcome back to the best coast.

Agh forgot about Kaiser LA. Will do! Thanks!

 

[softball2344]

School: Mid tier MD in South
Step 1: 240-245
Step 2: 255-260
AOA: No
Rank: bottom quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 1 first author publication with multiple poster presentations associated with it, another editorial
Clerkships: Honor IM, FM, Surgery, HP all else
EC's: Scattered volunteering and mentoring

List:
BCM
UTSW
Emory
Mayo
BIDMC
BWH
MGH
Michigan
WashU
Vandy
JHU
Cornell
Columbia
Colorado
UTHSCSA
UTH
UTMB
UTA
UNC
Virginia
UCLA
UCSF
UCSD
UWash
Penn
UPMC
Yale
UChicago
Northwestern
Alabama
Duke
Rush
Cleveland Clinic
Case Western
Thomas Jefferson
Iowa
Ohio State
Temple
USC
Boston
NYU
Icahn
Tufts

No idea how competitive I am for the above programs, would appreciate any feedback

Applying this year so take this with a grain of salt but I feel like you have a TON of reaches. Top academic places for IM are super competitive

 

[disorder]

School: Mid tier MD in South
Step 1: 240-245
Step 2: 255-260
AOA: No
Rank: bottom quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 1 first author publication with multiple poster presentations associated with it, another editorial
Clerkships: Honor IM, FM, Surgery, HP all else
EC's: Scattered volunteering and mentoring

List:
BCM
UTSW
Emory
Mayo
BIDMC
BWH
MGH
Michigan
WashU
Vandy
JHU
Cornell
Columbia
Colorado
UTHSCSA
UTH
UTMB
UTA
UNC
Virginia
UCLA
UCSF
UCSD
UWash
Penn
UPMC
Yale
UChicago
Northwestern
Alabama
Duke
Rush
Cleveland Clinic
Case Western
Thomas Jefferson
Iowa
Ohio State
Temple
USC
Boston
NYU
Icahn
Tufts

No idea how competitive I am for the above programs, would appreciate any feedback

BCM maybe
UTSW maybe
Emory maybe
Mayo maybe/no
BIDMC maybe/no
BWH no
MGH no
Michigan maybe/yes
WashU maybe/yes
Vandy maybe/yes
JHU no
Cornell maybe/yes
Columbia no
Colorado yes
UTHSCSA yes
UTH yes
UTMB yes
UTA yes
UNC maybe
Virginia yes
UCLA maybe/no
UCSF no
UCSD maybe/yes
UWash maybe/no
Penn no
UPMC yes
Yale maybe
UChicago no
Northwestern no
Alabama yes
Duke maybe
Rush yes
Cleveland Clinic yes
Case Western yes
Thomas Jefferson yes
Iowa yes
Ohio State yes
Temple yes
USC yes
Boston yes
NYU maybe/no
Icahn maybe/yes
Tufts yes

 

[Sanic Hegehog]

BCM maybe
UTSW maybe
Emory maybe
Mayo maybe/no
BIDMC maybe/no
BWH no
MGH no
Michigan maybe/yes
WashU maybe/yes
Vandy maybe/yes
JHU no
Cornell maybe/yes
Columbia no
Colorado yes
UTHSCSA yes
UTH yes
UTMB yes
UTA yes
UNC maybe
Virginia yes
UCLA maybe/no
UCSF no
UCSD maybe/yes
UWash maybe/no
Penn no
UPMC yes
Yale maybe
UChicago no
Northwestern no
Alabama yes
Duke maybe
Rush yes
Cleveland Clinic yes
Case Western yes
Thomas Jefferson yes
Iowa yes
Ohio State yes
Temple yes
USC yes
Boston yes
NYU maybe/no
Icahn maybe/yes
Tufts yes

Applying this year so take this with a grain of salt but I feel like you have a TON of reaches. Top academic places for IM are super competitive

Thanks for the feedback. Any other schools that I would be competitive for/ should apply to? I don't have any geographic limitations.

 

[disorder]

Thanks for the feedback. Any other schools that I would be competitive for/ should apply to? I don't have any geographic limitations.

OHSU yes
Wisconsin yes
Utah yes
Maryland yes
Cedars Sinai yes (trying to avoid non academic institutions?)

It's a weird year because of COVID. you should match decently, though.

 

[doctorinthesky]

Note: I'm an international student at a USMD school, I need a visa, preferably H1B given the current political climate

School: Mid tier MD, South
Step 1: 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
AOA: Yes
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 2 research posters, 2 vignettes, 1 manuscript (not first author)
Clerkships: unfortunately all are pass/fail at my school, but top 25% in all of them on MSPE
EC's: 4-5 leadership, 4-5 community service. 4 academic awards in med school.

Goals: Hopefully H1B visa, possible fellowship, New York preferable as I have family there.

Reach:
Icahn MSSM
Yale
Cornell/Columbia/ NYU (only offer J1)
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPenn
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
UChicago

Target (?):
Montefiore
Zucker
Icahn morningside west
Jacobi
NYMC
Westchester
Sidney Kimmel
Temple
BU
Tufts
Rush

Safeties:
Downstate
Maimonides
Icahn Beth Israel
Albert Einstein philly
Yale Greenwich/ bridgeport

(I have other programs at other states on my list adding to a total of 40 programs)

I would really love some insight as this year is going to be so different than other years and there's also very little info out there for USMD's who are on visas. I know it will be extremely hard for me to procure an H1B so on ERAS I'm applying for both H1 and J1 however I'm tired of living in constant fear and would very much like some stability. Thank you all so much for your help! 🙂

Hey all, haven't received any responses other than a very helpful one on which ones should be safeties from @whoknows2012 (thank you for that!) I would love some more inputs and opinions on these programs listed above and how competitive I am for these. Also considering: Kaiser Permanente, UCSF, JHU, Cedars Sinai, Cali Pacific. Applying broadly since I'm international! Thanks again!

 

[disorder]

Hey all, haven't received any responses other than a very helpful one on which ones should be safeties from @whoknows2012 (thank you for that!) I would love some more inputs and opinions on these programs listed above and how competitive I am for these. Also considering: Kaiser Permanente, UCSF, JHU, Cedars Sinai, Cali Pacific. Applying broadly since I'm international! Thanks again!

Your need for a Visa makes things much less clear.

 

[doctorinthesky]

Your need for a Visa makes things much less clear.

Yeah I figured that was the issue. Thanks for your response! Are there other threads I could try? The IMG thread isn't being very responsive either, and only a few of the faculty at my institution are able to help.
Thanks!

 

[Sanic Hegehog]

OHSU yes
Wisconsin yes
Utah yes
Maryland yes
Cedars Sinai yes (trying to avoid non academic institutions?)

It's a weird year because of COVID. you should match decently, though.

Thanks for the help!

 

[anepal]

Note: I'm an international student at a USMD school, I need a visa, preferably H1B given the current political climate

School: Mid tier MD, South
Step 1: 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
AOA: Yes
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 2 research posters, 2 vignettes, 1 manuscript (not first author)
Clerkships: unfortunately all are pass/fail at my school, but top 25% in all of them on MSPE
EC's: 4-5 leadership, 4-5 community service. 4 academic awards in med school.

Goals: Hopefully H1B visa, possible fellowship, New York preferable as I have family there.

Reach:
Icahn MSSM
Yale
Cornell/Columbia/ NYU (only offer J1)
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPenn
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
UChicago

Target (?):
Montefiore
Zucker
Icahn morningside west
Jacobi
NYMC
Westchester
Sidney Kimmel
Temple
BU
Tufts
Rush

Safeties:
Downstate
Maimonides
Icahn Beth Israel
Albert Einstein philly
Yale Greenwich/ bridgeport

(I have other programs at other states on my list adding to a total of 40 programs)

I would really love some insight as this year is going to be so different than other years and there's also very little info out there for USMD's who are on visas. I know it will be extremely hard for me to procure an H1B so on ERAS I'm applying for both H1 and J1 however I'm tired of living in constant fear and would very much like some stability. Thank you all so much for your help! 🙂

Jacobi/ SLR/ NYMC/ Downstate / Maimo are all extremely malignant IMG mills. Are you really willing to sacrifice your self respect for an H1B? Also, keeping your visa status in mind you have too many reach programs on your list. I recommend removing some reach programs and applying to more mid tier J1 programs to actually match this cycle.

 

[gutonc]

Yeah I figured that was the issue. Thanks for your response! Are there other threads I could try? The IMG thread isn't being very responsive either, and only a few of the faculty at my institution are able to help.
Thanks!

Not really wo/man. Yours is a rare enough case that you're just going to have to do your own fishing and see what you catch.

Honestly, this year is going to be a free-for-all so just throw your apps out there and see what you can pull over the transom.

Interviewing is free this year so you've got nothing to lose. Hell...add another 20-30 programs to your app list. It's not going to cost you anything but the app fees.

 

[doctorinthesky]

Not really wo/man. Yours is a rare enough case that you're just going to have to do your own fishing and see what you catch.

Honestly, this year is going to be a free-for-all so just throw your apps out there and see what you can pull over the transom.

Interviewing is free this year so you've got nothing to lose. Hell...add another 20-30 programs to your app list. It's not going to cost you anything but the app fees.

Hey, thanks for your reply!
So the only programs not on my list at the moment are smaller community programs and all programs that offer J1 ( at least according to residency explorer). Do you think it would be worth it for me to apply to J1 programs even if I really want an H1B? Thanks in advance!

 

[tumorlysissyndrome]

School: Mid tier MD, Midwest
Step 1: 253
Step 2: 250
AOA: No
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 1 poster, 1 manuscript (first author), 1 2nd author pub from undergrad
Clerkships: Honors in all except HP in Peds
EC's: 4 leadership, 4 volunteer

Goal: Strong academic program

List:
BW
JHH
UCSF
Stanford
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
WashU
Michigan
Duke
Mayo
Rush
UMaryland
Georgetown
Utah
Brown
CCF
OSU
UNC
Colorado
UCSD
UC Davis
UCLA
Cedars Sinai
UIC
UVA
VCU
Loyola
UMinnesota
UWisconsin
CWRU

Any advice to help me narrow down the list would be helpful- Thanks

 

[hemolysis12]

School: Low tier in the SE
Step 1: 268
Step 2: 272
AOA: Yes
Rank: Top 5
GHHS: No
Research: 1 manuscript 1st author, 1 manuscript 2nd author, 1 abstract and 1 poster at national meeting, 2 posters at regional meetings, 2 oral presentations at regional meetings
Clerkships: Honors in all
EC's: Couple of leadership and volunteer positions, masters degree in microbiology from top 5 grad program with 4.0 gpa

Goals are academic ID or heme/onc

I know my scores are good, but given my low-ranked school and lack of research, do I have any chance at the big 4?

Reaches
MGH
BWH
Hopkins
Penn
Duke
Vanderbilt
UCLA

Target
UNC
UVA
Pitt
Michigan
Mayo
Emory
Northwestern

Safety
UAB
UFlorida
VCU
Jefferson
Dartmouth
Indiana

Any advice or help with school selection? Places I haven't considered that I should? Thanks!

 

[Adjet]

School: Mid tier MD, Midwest
Step 1: 253
Step 2: 250
AOA: No
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 1 poster, 1 manuscript (first author), 1 2nd author pub from undergrad
Clerkships: Honors in all except HP in Peds
EC's: 4 leadership, 4 volunteer

Goal: Strong academic program

List:
BW
JHH
UCSF
Stanford
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
WashU
Michigan
Duke
Mayo
Rush
UMaryland
Georgetown
Utah
Brown
CCF
OSU
UNC
Colorado
UCSD
UC Davis
UCLA
Cedars Sinai
UIC
UVA
VCU
Loyola
UMinnesota
UWisconsin
CWRU

Any advice to help me narrow down the list would be helpful- Thanks

Why narrow down your list? In fact, I would probably add some programs (Baylor, UTSW, NY programs, OHSU, Yale among others) unless you have geographic restrictions. Keep in mind also that people are going to apply to more programs this year. You otherwise have a decent mix of reach, target, and safety programs.

 

[Adjet]

School: Low tier in the SE
Step 1: 268
Step 2: 272
AOA: Yes
Rank: Top 5
GHHS: No
Research: 1 manuscript 1st author, 1 manuscript 2nd author, 1 abstract and 1 poster at national meeting, 2 posters at regional meetings, 2 oral presentations at regional meetings
Clerkships: Honors in all
EC's: Couple of leadership and volunteer positions, masters degree in microbiology from top 5 grad program with 4.0 gpa

Goals are academic ID or heme/onc

I know my scores are good, but given my low-ranked school and lack of research, do I have any chance at the big 4?

Reaches
MGH
BWH
Hopkins
Penn
Duke
Vanderbilt
UCLA

Target
UNC
UVA
Pitt
Michigan
Mayo
Emory
Northwestern

Safety
UAB
UFlorida
VCU
Jefferson
Dartmouth
Indiana

Any advice or help with school selection? Places I haven't considered that I should? Thanks!

You do have a shot at the Big 4 given your outstanding performance in medical school; it's a good indicator if your school has sent a handful of people to those programs in the past.

You'll get plenty of invites from that list. If you don't have any geographic restrictions, other good programs you can consider applying to are Columbia, Cornell, Mt. Sinai, Yale, UTSW, UCSF, Stanford, WUSTL, BIDMC among others

 

[gutonc]

School: Mid tier MD, Midwest
Step 1: 253
Step 2: 250
AOA: No
Rank: top quarter
GHHS: No
Research: 1 poster, 1 manuscript (first author), 1 2nd author pub from undergrad
Clerkships: Honors in all except HP in Peds
EC's: 4 leadership, 4 volunteer

Goal: Strong academic program

List:
BW
JHH
UCSF
Stanford
Beth Israel Deaconness
UPMC
Emory
Mayo
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
WashU
Michigan
Duke
Mayo
Rush
UMaryland
Georgetown
Utah
Brown
CCF
OSU
UNC
Colorado
UCSD
UC Davis
UCLA
Cedars Sinai
UIC
UVA
VCU
Loyola
UMinnesota
UWisconsin
CWRU

Any advice to help me narrow down the list would be helpful- Thanks

At least 10 of those programs (I used the "strikethrough" command) are going to be donations to the ERAS holiday party fund. The rest are totally in your wheelhouse. Feel free to apply to the whole list, and I wouldn't spit out my coffee if you told me you got an interview at at least one of those 10, but don't hold your breath.

You have a fine app. But there's nothing outstanding about it. And those programs are looking for something outstanding, like Top 10 school + PhD + AOA, etc.

 

[disorder]

You do have a shot at the Big 4 given your outstanding performance in medical school; it's a good indicator if your school has sent a handful of people to those programs in the past.

You'll get plenty of invites from that list. If you don't have any geographic restrictions, other good programs you can consider applying to are Columbia, Cornell, Mt. Sinai, Yale, UTSW, UCSF, Stanford, WUSTL, BIDMC among others

Agree. Add more.
Your only true reaches will be the Big 4 (aren't they always?).
You'll match well into ID from any program you'll match into.
H/O will be more choosey, but you'll still do just fine.