OFFICIAL Harvard -HST- discussion thread

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Hey everyone,

The other Harvard thread is great but has a lot of NP specific questions on it. I wanted to focus the HST discussion a bit. I hope this discussion does not offend any of the NPs out there. That is not the intention. It's just that HST and NP are very different programs with their own foci, strenghts, and weaknesses. For these reasons, I think it is useful to discuss the programs separately.

I'll start with some concerns that came up in the other thread. Does anyone know about preparation for the boards for HST students? I have heard that HST students do better than NP students on the boards. Is this true? Also, there was some concerns in the other Harvard thread that, to paraphrase, "the medical education is weaker at Harvard than other top institutions but the Harvard name allows HMS students to still do extremely well in their careers." Is this concern specific to NP and not applicable to HST? Is HST a much stronger scientific medical education? I am not criticising NP since I believe that it is stronger in other respects of medicine such as the patient care or physician-patient relationship. I just want to know what the deal is with HST. If any acceptees/ current students have any insight, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

-tt

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I've been getting a lot of PMs about HST so I just compiled all the information here but realize that this is just one person’s take on things… it’s up to you to seek out more sources.

Curriculum:

I think the real strength of HST comes from the scientific depth and volume of medical knowledge we learn. Our curriculum is “rigorous” in terms of getting to the nitty gritty molecular details underlying medicine and the research being done at the forefront of medicine by our lecturers. It’s ”quantitative” in the sense that sometimes we use a calculator and there is a small engineering component to most of the classes. Bottom line, if you want to go into academic medicine, HST will provide you with an excellent scientific foundation for your future research.

The overall course structure of HST is pretty similar to undergrad since we have a traditional curriculum. For example, first semester we took anatomy, pathology, immunology, and genetics. We had one or two midterms + final exam for each class, two papers, and a presentation. Second semester is very problem-set heavy. These problem sets are usually very short and are just to keep you on track.

The grading is technically p/f, but we have an internal "excellent" rating that is given to some percentage of students for each class based on the highest scores determined by the instructor. This is not a big deal and serves as a motivator to allow some "recognition" for the courses that you really excelled in.

Logistics:

First semester is extremely challenging as the program will be going full-steam ahead from day one when you will be in class 38+ hours/week. Mercifully, after first semester we spend less than 20 hours a week in class. For example, second semester we have class only in the morning 4 days of the week, leaving sizeable blocks of time for lab. Most people opt for the standard research assistantship (RA), which is 20 hours a week, which gives you ~$12,000/semester. $9,000 goes towards tuition (ie. deducts your cash payment and loans) and you get $3,000 to spend at will.

You should know that some of my classmates had a hard time finding prof's who would support them (esp. prof's from MIT engineering labs who have less $$$). HST requires that the PI pay $9,000/sem, more than some are willing to do. But in the end, everyone found a lab that they were satisfied with. (Note: NP students cannot apply for the RA-ships, which are funded by MIT. Instead they must apply for funding from the office of enrichment programs (OEP), which provides $4,000/sem)

Our small class size is great because the professors make a big effort to learn all of our names! The editor of the New England Journal of Medicine calls on us individually in lecture, which is not always a good thing... :scared: Our class is very close-knit and we do a lot of stuff together. That being said, it does get a bit claustrophobic at times and, realistically, you probably won't find your best friend or soul mate in a group of 30.

Finances:

First off, this issue is very personal. I think you have to think very hard about how important the money issue is to you (i.e. what do you want out of medical school, what do you lose/gain at either school, and your financial situation).

That being said, I was accepted to a number of top programs (including full-ride) and had a really hard time deciding where to go. I chose Harvard HST because I really want to become an academic physician. I love the science-oriented HST curriculum, unsurpassed research opportunities, and the exceptional quality of my peers... these were all deciding factors.

At Harvard, they offer a base $24,000 subsidized loan/year (very low rates and they only accrue interest after med school... and possibly after residency too). After that, they basically cover the rest of your "calculated need" via scholarship money. You'll have to wait for the finaid office to get back to you to determine exactly what this means for your case.

In my mind, the most important thing is to decide which opportunity you most regret not taking. For me, going to the medical school that best fit my personal interests and aspirations was something I could not refuse.

Step 1 and Residency:

I can't comment too much on board scores other than to say neither NP nor HST teaches for the boards. I don't see either group having an edge on this one since its one of those "how good are you at taking this test" sorts of exams. Yet our match list is (one of) the strongest in the country. Go figure.

In terms of clerkship rotations, for any particular rotation you will either get your choice of hospital or time frame (but likely not both). If clinical training was a significant problem at Harvard, again I doubt that we would have the outstanding match list that we do (check out the 2005 on the "general residency issues" forum).

As far as residency applications go, a recent HST alum told me that HST-ers get a particularly positive reception at interviews because of the program’s rigorous curriculum and reputation for being an academic-minded subset of HMS students.

Caveat emptor (let the buyer beware):

HST is a very time-consuming program both in class and out. Thus, if you're fairly confident that you want a lot of extra time to explore career areas or other personal interests, you'll have to be much more proactive about it than if you are in NP.

In summary:

Best parts: quality of instructors and the amazing amount of knowledge we've covered. I get $12,000/semester to do an awesome part-time research project that I would do anyway.

Worst parts: first semester we were in class ALL the time, but thankfully it's over now. 🙂 Also, I wish that I didn't live in a dorm, but apartments are expensive and Vandy's location is really convenient.

Hope that helps. I'm happy to answer any other questions via PM.

Good luck making your decisions!
SV
 
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Thank you soo much SV! That was really, really helpful. Any other HST-ers out there willing to share some insight?

-tt
 
Was anyone deciding between Harvard HST and Hopkins for med school? Why did you choose what you chose? Any regrets or things you know now about your institution that you wish you knew when making your decision?

-tt
 
I know this thread is old, but on the off chance that anyone wanders by and is trying to decide whether or not to go to HST,
FOR THE LOVE OF SANITY, MEDICINE, SCIENCE, and, yay, EVEN HAPPINESS, send me a PM if you want some inside info.

I'm an older student, and can offer a different perspective than some.

I'm also a military student (GO NAVY!), so I can speak to the oddness that happens at times when Harvard and the military come together.
 
If you're on a four year plan, I'm assuming that the semesters you can do an RA are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, right? Is there any other time this is possible, perhaps the end of 4th year? I suppose things change drastically if one completes the curriculum in 5 years. Therefore, if comparing the financial cost of different medical schools, would it be safe to reason that the cost of HST would be about 36k less because of the 3 semesters of RA? Are there any other opportunities available, such as being a Teaching Fellow? Thanks.
 
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